Guillermo del Toro and Mike Flanagan On What Scares Them Most | Netflix

With Guillermo del Toro’s Cabinet of Curiosities and Mike Flanagan’s The Midnight Club out in October, the two legendary horror filmmakers sat down for a special Netflix & Chills conversation to discuss their origins, influences, and what they love about the genre.
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[@ajtaylor8750]

*"Hatred and fear are a mirror; love is a window."* That's just fucking DEEP man. Basically, hate and fear are reflections of ourselves and the things we hate and fear, whereas love is hope for something better that we've yet to experience. What a way with words, that Guillermo del Toro.

[@sigmasix3719]

The key is to embrace the deep and for this fear must be overcome because within the crushing depths is where we bury our sins.

[@junlo7070]

@@sigmasix3719 damn. is that from something?

[@coringa40]

Fantastic...

[@ihaveaplan.ijustneedmoney.9777]

When you look at a mirror, its like trying to look through a window... but the view is always getting blocked by YOU. (your reflection) Its exactly how fear and hate works. Its so very easy to love, but ego can get in the way just as easily and it turns into fear and hate.

[@onepiecefan74]

If you hate your rapist does that mean you really hate yourself?

[@spifftastic87]

Amazing that Flanagan's childhood fear was being alone in the dark; I feel like I have never seen ANYONE film a dark, empty room like he can, it's terrifying

[@firstlast9846]

Fr.. the best dark empty room scene I’ve seen that encapsulates that feeling is from “The Babadook” probably because it’s a POV shot

[@yvesgomes]

I was intrigued by how they were scared kids and talked about it as if it were a pattern among horror professionals. I'm a big horror fan (but don't work with it) and I was a relatively "brave" kid, in terms of not being very superstitious. I felt comfortable when alone and would stay up late by myself to watch horror movies on TV since I was 5 or 6 years old.

[@peenzert1994]

Genuinely blows my mind that they seem like the most relaxed, calm, and genuinely nice people ever…and then you watch their movies 😂

[@M24071]

Yup it really terrified me on haunting of hill house he didn't use jump scares or creepy music it was just a quiet dark room with something lurking in the shadows

[@InTrancedState]

I'm a massive horror fan and I was insanely afraid of being in the dark. I think those of us who fear the dark the most are fearful of it because of the irrational draw we have to it

[@AutumnLovingPallette]

‘Horror is healing’ - this has SO many layers. Horror is like trauma and is uncomfortable and terrifying by nature, but if you work through it properly and find your courage, you come out the other side alive, wiser and able to move forward

[@OphelieH27]

not only are they great directors, but they are also great human beings. I could watch them talk for hours. I hope someday they will work together.

[@roar_gm]

doing Frankenstein!! Imagine a really crazy anthology with every contemporary horror director like Derrickson doing one version of the story...

[@ponfed]

No kidding.. two of my favorites

[@arjunbajwa9124]

Don't ask Guillermo Del Toro what petition he signed.

[@jbearclowater]

This video could have been 4 hours long and I would have been enthralled the whole time. Two of the best working directors in the genre, I would love to see what else they discussed.

[@eravashistha]

They are great in their Craft.. the best… yes! But what makes you think or say they are great human beings? What’s a great human being?

[@TheValeyard92]

I wish this went on for an hour.

[@Javiven]

Mike said the interview is actually two hours long, but this is what they uploaded :(

[@silbug]

same

[@juliabateman]

Yes!!!

[@mr.newmanthadreamer8434]

I could listen to that podcast between these great horror auteurs for dayssssssss

[@Bryan4Hillary]

@@Javivenrelease the unedited cut!

[@catalinareyes336]

Flanagan wearing a "una película de Guillermo del Toro" shirt is just great

[@claudiacarolina6125]

I noticed that too!!

[@nicollopez9009]

"Horror can be such an effective mirror" and "We are all monsters at the end of the day, can we live with that?", how accurate words and how monumental lessons from these masters of the genre. Also, the way Mr. Flanagan has reimagined the concept of horror and transformed it into something deeper like sorrow and pain... wow.

[@jbearclowater]

Flanagan uses horror in such an incredible way to deal with our deepest fears and as a tool to reconcile ourselves. del Toro has one of the greatest visual styles in the genre. You can tell by how they talk just how good they both are at this, and how they both "get it" so to speak. I would love to see the rest of this conversation.

[@DanJackson1977]

I like Flanigan... he does good work... but "reimagined horror"? might be a bit of a stretch. He does load more melodrama (and dialogue) than most horror auteurs, I'll give him that. But I disagree that he "reinvented the wheel" for horror.

[@DragonflyandTheWolf]

"horror is healing." I love Guillermo del toro so much. He gets it.

[@ghostli1112]

8:30 i love that guillermo mentions horror that makes you cry and learn about yourself. that's exactly what mike's Midnight Mass was for me. terrifying, but also cathartic. i love how he describes that kind of horror as "frescos" because it's just so fitting. i'm in love with this interview. i need the full 2 hour cut!

[@jbearclowater]

When Flanagan talked about how being afraid of the dark or to go alone in the dark as a kid explains so much about his projects. Looking at how he plays with the idea of things lurking in the darkness in his shows and movies is among the best I've seen from any director.

[@daixxxy]

Horror truly is healing. I couldn’t agree more. As a horror fan - there’s something comforting about the genre. What a fantastic interview.

[@kararemington5525]

Loved this conversation, but as a librarian all the books being backwards on the shelf is my worst fear

[@smoss9813]

Thank you! Wonderful directors, wonderful work and yet I couldn't stop looking at the books!!

[@augusts1]

I knew there was something not quite right about them but was too focused on the conversation to figure it out.

[@Mulbert]

I know!! Worse than ordering them by colour (I will die on this hill)

[@aeonremix]

it's very disturbing

[@Laurantalasah]

Thank you! It's just... it's just not right

[@SaturdayMorningToyCollector]

"Hatred and fear are mirrors, love is windows." Damn that is deep. I love GDT. These guys are the top of their genres.

[@gracemcloughlin8737]

I'd give anything to have a full documentary of just them two talking about horror I love this😭

[@AstraeaAntiope]

A co-taught Masterclass 🤩

[@gracemcloughlin8737]

@@AstraeaAntiope that would be AMAZING. I'd give all the money I have for that to happen 😭

[@spifftastic87]

Two of my favorite horror directors...what a delight!

[@serpentina05]

Please give me a solid 2 hours of these two, please. I love their work!

[@angeldelgado7120]

Midnight Mass is so beautiful. The greatest insight to Religion and faith i have ever seen.

[@Mulbert]

As a minister's kid watching it was absolutely astounding, I know some people complain about his monologues but I think they're incredible. And the hymn montage at the end...literal chills

[@benbarada2882]

Cabinet of Curiosities is the itch I couldn’t scratch since Tales from the Crypt. Guillermo del Toro, thank you for bringing us this much needed horror anthology series🙏

[@brandothecatmeow]

GDT's Frankenstein would be the most incredible film ever made. I would weep for joy if that happened.

[@jbearclowater]

I can only imagine how incredible del Toro's version of Dr Frankenstein's lab would be. He has such an amazing visual style

[@muckymucks]

It's happening! Get excite!

[@alyssatheamazon]

please give the full 2 hours. i would watch it all. these two are brilliant.

[@M24071]

God I want these two to work together so badly Guillermo is great with creature horror while Flanagan nails the emotional horror

[@AudioNovelLovers]

i love mike flanagan so frickin much.... he has redefined the genre of horror...

[@DA-wg5cz]

Nah that Guillermo del toro

[@jbearclowater]

@@DA-wg5cz I think both are good answers. Two masters at work here.

[@jbearclowater]

The idea of Guillermo del Toro's Frankenstein sounds like an incredible idea. I'll be there opening night.

[@bshaw4255]

Absolute masters of their craft. I’ll watch anything Flanagan puts out, and I would see Del Toro’s Frankenstein on the biggest screen I could find opening night.

[@marinazappettini]

Damn, what a fascinating insight into the minds of two masters of horror this was! I watched Mike Flanagan's whole body of work, and quite a lot of Guillermo del Toro's movies, too... I have always been inexplicably drawn to horror, even as a child! I remember picking the latest Goosebumps novel as a kid and anticipating the moment when I could finally sit down and read it ahaha I think a lot of what they both said about horror being healing is spot on. We could even look at the lovers of this genre as people who constantly seek self-therapy! I, for one, know that I'm sort of capable of alienating my stress and anxiety whenever I experience someone else's demons... Momentarily delegating MY demons to the screen/written page. In short, the true purpose of horror IS to make you feel less alone, just not in a scary, hopeless way.

[@synthmasquerade294]

Two legends of the craft, amazing filmmakers, storytellers and all around artists. Could listen to a 5 hour version of this with no problem.

[@jonwes]

Can we get the full version? This is great. I want to watch everything.

[@thebookgeek87]

The book geek, horror freak, movie nerd in me is living for this conversation.

[@TheProphegy]

Del Toro is such a legend for directing, I hope he’s around for another 20-30 years.

[@TheElultimovivo]

I think i cried with this conversation between this two cinema munsters. It’s amazing what this both directors have achieve in movies.

[@peenzert1994]

Would love to meet Guillermo, he seems so passionate and loves what he does. Mike Flanagan is the most laidback normal dude I’ve ever met, super cool guy, no idea how he comes up with the horror he does

[@s_c_d]

This is great. Netflix, release the whole conversation, please!

[@AstraeaAntiope]

I just love listening to Guillermo del Toro speak.

[@Sid_Kill]

The cabinet of curiosities is such a great show, I'm loving it so far.

[@rosiespencer8081]

Two kings respecting each other and their craft. We love to see it!

[@Oracol]

Netflix: PLEASE make some sort of series with these two masters. It can literally be just them in conversation every episode

[@nataliemintz6507]

A collab with these two would be a dream come true.

[@ikariiprince]

I love that we’re living in a time with 2 visionary horror directors like them

[@prettynpetty8342]

I would absolutely lose my mind if I saw these two legends in real life. Just finished both of their new series this month. C of C was great monster horror/character design. The last episode had me in tears. TMC was classic Flanagan. I loved "Road to Nowhere".

[@jenna4619]

What a phenomenal interview! You can really tell why they’re the absolute best at their craft

[@franybunny]

me encanta cuando Guillermo dice "una vez hablando con Garcia Marquez..."

[@matheuslascasas134]

Release the full conversation! This is some fascinating stuff

[@MastigosAtLarge]

This was an incredible conversation. It's my dream to have ten minutes to speak with either of them. Mr. del Toro's work was so transformative for me as a teen and young adult, and it is a treat to watch anything he creates at all. And then Mr. Flanagan I discovered later, but his work is just as important to me.

[@RealNigelThornberry]

These two need to do a series together where they talk about horror and literature.

[@jbearclowater]

Are you listening Netflix? This idea, right here.

[@juliabateman]

I could listen to them for hours! 💙 Netflix needs to make so much more of these ! Iconic directors talking to each other! It's such a treat!!! More!!!

[@4no3bo3dy]

I love that they close by promoting each other’s respective debuts!

[@Rai_S82]

Oh my goodness, I'm so excited to see these two together! 😃

[@evilscotsman495]

Mike Flanagan's face during this conversation is basically me watching this interview.

[@gownerjones]

Mike Flanagan has created the most beautiful art I've ever seen. Hill House is an artistic and emotional experience the likes of which I've never experienced before. I was a broken mess when it ended, I cried and cried and cried. And it probably changed my life in several ways. And I've talked with others who had similar experiences with it. Mike has touched the hearts of so many and we're all just so grateful.

[@ftuT]

Flanagan's Dr. Sleep baseball boy death scene left me scarred for life like nothing else in film. Seems like a humble guy too. And Del Toro is a poet.

[@delfin7461]

That scene is equally heartbreaking and horrifying. The whole film is pretty great

[@seniartkreatif]

i felt like i just sat down listening to the best philosopy class of my entire life! so glad i am present in this class.

[@unaware4583]

Pinocchio is such a deep and visionary story. I always feel it is under-appreciated and ravished (Disney). Luckily we are going to see a good version of it soon enough. Thank you, Guillermo. Big fan :)

[@mrtableandmrchair]

This is great - release the full uncut conversation please!!

[@Raida7]

I always love watching these two speak, when their eyes light up with joy about a subject

[@soccerjockey]

Would love an extended cut of this interview! Two of my favorite directors working today

[@LordPachotron82]

Two of my favorite filmmakers together. What a gift this is!

[@RebeccaMaximoff]

I could listen to them talk all day, more of this, please!

[@Exxilem19]

I would’ve gladly listened to an hour long conversation between this two geniuses!

[@rubyangel2900]

This entire conversation has been a treat ❣️

[@thiagomattar2368]

Two of the most inventive creators of today. ❤

[@MidazMX]

Mike Flanagan having the widest smile while talking to Guillermo makes me feel kinda proud that he's Mexican like me. And it's funny because I would have that same smile if I was talking to Mike. We need the full two hours, pleeeeeeaaaaaase

[@zikarisg9025]

Two of my favorite creative people, love pretty much everything they ever put to film. The contrast between them is quite funny though, Mike Flanagan is such a unassuming regular guy, I can picture him in pretty much any shop from middle school teacher to car salesman. Listening to him talk doesn't reveal the depth of creativity and mastery he can put on film (I'm not meaning this in a negative way).

[@IrishCat04]

i cannot express enough how much i love Guillermo del Toro...his creations make me feel so much♥

[@cavafrick]

NOTHING I love more than listening to true icons talk abt their work/ personal feelings. Btw, would give almost anything to hear an interview like this w Stephen King

[@scorba3]

such lovely people

[@Unholyterror666]

Absolutely loved this interview!! Had to watch it again!

[@EllieC130]

I’ll admit I’m not a big horror person though loved Hill House and Bly Manor. But people who do things in horror fascinate me. Every interview I’ve seen with a writer, director or actor who’s main thing is horror is always fascinating to me.

[@ItsMeDarlaLee]

I’m here a year later and still so sad Midnight Club was cancelled. For anyone who watched the show I recommend reading the book it’s based off of. It was a wonderful story. Not so much horror, but a beautiful story about life and death.

[@dreamofwaking702]

Guillermo del Toro just seems like the coolest dude

[@HeadbutKneecap]

Anyone noticed that Flanagan deals with the theme of death most prominently in his shows? Obviously people die, but it's more about the characters and them coming to terms with the fact that they will die or that they must deal with loss.

[@mrgorgun81]

Thank god these 2 are around to make films and series. Much love.

[@amadeusmalonje6948]

Mike Flanagan should direct a short in cabinet of curiosities' next season

[@edwardrogers5148]

Guillermo del Toro is the best horror director of these days

[@michaelendara]

Dos personas increíbles! Mi admiración total para ambos! Abrazos desde Ecuador! Two amazing people! My total admiration for both of you! Hugs from Equator!

[@venadacent7696]

This video should have been at least an hour for such talented creatives!!!! Really enjoyed The Midnight Club and looking forward to GDT's Cabinet of Curiosities.

[@justingreen2432]

The best horror filmmakers today tend to be very sweet and kind hearted at their core. That endlessly fascinating to me.

[@VinegarAndSaltedFries]

Both of these series absolutely rock and I really really hope Cabinet Of Curiosity’s continues thru multiple years.

[@Jetsamification]

This was nice to see. I enjoyed hearing them talk about these topics.

[@nicolas.grisanti]

two of my favorite directors of all time!

[@Zereptina]

Big fan of both of these legends. Such a good discussion!

[@willytingles]

I unabashedly love del Toro. He's so unassuming, compassionate, articulate, and deeply profound without ever seeming as though he's even remotely trying to be any of those things.

[@jacobsaul]

two fantastic filmmakers, really loved this discussion

[@delfin7461]

I'm obsessed with Frankenstein and would love to see his take on the story!!!

[@claudiacarolina6125]

Great convo between these two!!

[@sheren_b]

i could listen to these two talk for an horror theyre so nice and charming and clearly admire and respect each other deeply. i appreciate GDT telling him not to revel the books he gives him, but i want to know!

[@Moonie_MonRozE]

What an amazing duo!!! I’m so glad this collaboration happened!!!! 🖤🖤🖤

[@yoshimasu_k]

I really wish they dug into their past original works (instead of series they're overseeing), but I'm glad we at least got this much of the two masters together!

[@ambercontreras1110]

Such a cool conversation to sit in on! I could listen to these two talk for hours.

[@shockingheaven]

Funnily enough, for me the piece of media that I was expecting to keep me frightened, only to end up crying my heart out for two entire days, was The Haunting of Hill House. It really moved me.

[@CitlaliPerez-2023]

the spookiest thing in this video is the bookshelf in the background with the book spines turned the opposite way

[@Mightyjordy]

My wife doesn’t get why I love horror as a genre so it was very validating to hear my favorite directors/writers tell me I wasn’t a total psychopath

[@nurlindafsihotang49]

😂😂😂 me too. My family even feared me cooking them a meal. I mean c'mon, i am not gonna "in cold blood" my own family...

[@vanessalindeken9307]

Fascinating! Two of the greatest minds in horror history. Bravo!!!

[@marshabass3393]

I love the Orphanage & Pans Lambrynth by Guillermo & Bly Manor&Midnight Mass by Flannigan!

[@PamelaBarcelo]

RELEASE THE REST OF THE INTERVIEW PLEASE, thanks :)

[@sam.oates_]

There is a lot wrapped up in this video. I'm going to have to watch this a few times to process it. Thank you both!

[@ericoliver1603]

If i had Guillermo del Toro as an uncle i would practically live with the guy

[@corbelius6]

I LOVE The inside out Library!

[@clarapilier]

Imagine a colab of these two.

[@trissc6855]

What he said about Blade 2 is exactly why I want him back for the new reboot of the character

[@GMayen]

I love Guillermo Del Toro.