Network Engineering is better than Cybersecurity

Do you agree that Network Engineering is better than Cybersecurity? Join the discussion with me.
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Timecodes
0:00 - Intro
1:01 - Design and Implementation - Network vs Security Engineer
2:24 - NOC vs SOC
5:09 - Network Automation vs Offensive Security/Penetration Testing/Ethical Hacking
6:38 - Network Management vs Security Management
8:50 - Outro / Verdict Network vs Security Career
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[@avhadproductions518]

Network Pacquiao 🥊 👊🏽

[@jhunebabasa597]

[@NetworkWali]

Factsss Networking is the backbone wether you like it or not and you can jump into any IT field with it!

[@marblevision2177]

💯‼️

[@ToneVidaaaaaa]

Security engineer here, I never actually worked in a networking position directly but worked with other network engineers closely. I do have my ccna though and I would say that has helped and prepared me for my current role as a security engineer.

[@RM-gm7lu]

I can vouch for this as I was a network engineer before becoming a security engineer. All the network protocols and services are really the bedrock of all networked communication.

[@StyxShow]

Thanks for acknowledging and sharing your experience.

[@user-tt2bc4cx7g]

🎯 Decided to take a pause on cyber certs and go for the CCNA. Will sit for the exam in a few weeks. Looking back am confident it was the right move. Have learned a ton and gained a genuine / growing interest for networking. Enjoy the videos Dean. A+ as always

[@RobbieFlores]

Can I ask you about your decision, what exactly made you switch? Lately ive been studying a ton of cybersecurity, but I realized I really enjoying networking as well. Im a student looking to break into Tech and its been tough deciding my path. Thanks and good luck on your exam!

[@user-tt2bc4cx7g]

​@@RobbieFlores I have a handful of cyber certs already. Was studying for OSCP but realized for me its better to build a strong networking foundation. IMO you really need to understanding networking well for cyber and CCNA is the best opportunity to do that. I watched a few of Jeremy'sITLabs CCNA videos on KZbin and was sold. jumped in and just really enjoyed all of it. Feel way more confident now and understand Networking (routing protocols, switching, variable length subnetting, vlans, trunking etc.) so much better and learned how to actually do their configurations. haven't sit for the exam yet. Have it scheduled here towards end of the month but so far my experience.... 10/10 recommend the course. even if you don't plan to sit for the exam.

[@RobbieFlores]

@@user-tt2bc4cx7g Just watched Jeremy's OSI & TCP/IP and LAN Architecture videos. I get what you mean. Deep understanding of Networking is clearly essential. I decided to pursue Pen Testing last year and initially focused on learning Python and BASH first. I realize now that I probably should have focused on Networking first lol. Thanks for sharing your perspective and for the YT recommendation, it helped. Also if you haven't already, sounds like you would enjoy taking the PNPT Cert from TCM security.

[@user-tt2bc4cx7g]

@@RobbieFlores Thanks. PNPT is actually on my radar and looks interesting. maybe later this year. After CCNA i'm planning to go for a cloud cert. Most likely Azure. As for CCNA, can't say enough about Jeremy's course. Would also recommend picking up the CCNA Official Cert Guide and Boson practice exams. Both have been really great. Good luck!

[@romaro_c]

​@user-tt2bc4cx7g how are things going? I'm studying Jeremy's IT lab now. Just passed Sec + last week and working on the CCNA now.

[@MeZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZ]

Ive been studying for the ccna for 3 months. I appreciate these videos. Great info from someone far ahead in the journey than myself.

[@StyxShow]

Thanks man for your support. Many believe Dean’s video and this channel is underrated / under appreciated.

[@Mr_C5627]

damn never knew fez from that 70s show was so knowledgable when it comes to cyber

[@StyxShow]

As a fan of the show, I will take it as a compliment. You son of a b1+(H

[@im_anubiz]

😂😂😂😂

[@im_anubiz]

Fez looked better

[@stevencodeman]

You misspelled Manny paquiao

[@ryansbr2096]

Im currently a network engineer and get to work on a lot of fortinet ngfws. I completely agree with you on this video, it seems like with all of the added functionality of firewalls anymore, that this position can really prime you for a cyber / offensive security job.

[@31qwoz]

Im moving from networking into security and hoping i still get to keep my hands on all the networking equipment

[@lucmarrouche71]

I so agree with you on everything but especially when getting into cyber without knowledge of networking, these two go together , and I want to add programming is also crucial

[@norbertt.t6444]

Very true Network engineer is above Security .

[@edgardlopezsanchez2111]

I agree with you, but when it comes to setting salaries, companies do not have the same opinion

[@StyxShow]

There is a reason why I didn’t talk about salary. Its a different and a long discussion.

[@Letraveler_rd]

What pays more?

[@Walk-retirement-travel]

Fact

[@jcdenton7914]

Only reason I'm not chasing network engineering is because I don't see the demand in job postings, and every other tech role is already fucked in this job market right now.

[@StyxShow]

Some people may not agree with you but this is another good discussion: Cloud Engineering is better than Network Engineering kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3yroaCdfNaLfNU

[@Rico34]

👤 CyberSec here. A network engineer will never be able to stop, detect, or circumvent social engineering attacks. The term “Better” is probably not the right word to use. Networking skills are crucial to any tech discipline, but it doesn’t overrule or out-do all the others. Besides, most networking guys are not people-oriented, which is a major strength CyberSec folks hone over time. Sorry, but this argument only works on novices…

[@StyxShow]

Have you watch the entire video? Specially the management/leadership part?

[@made432]

Network security person here with great people skills. Don’t assume.

[@joeylarosa2345]

+1

[@Rico34]

@@StyxShowI must say, I COMPLETELY agree with you about the fake Cyber folks out there. Don’t worry; it’s starting to catch up with them. Not being able to prevent simple hacks is becoming a real problem for people hired in certain positions. Thanks for the explanations in the video. Glad to know that someone actually “gets it”.

[@Rico34]

@@made432I shouldn’t have used the word “never”-you’re right. My point was…whatever you’re not constantly training for, most likely will not amount to someone who is honing that specific skillset. Having good people skills is not the same as making an entire organization aware & implementing security protocols based on certain social hacks. Again, no doubt it may be hard to get “you”, but network guys who don’t have the Cyber job description, are most likely not keeping specific hack prevention plans “top of mind” for the organization….

[@rechiecebreros2350]

yeah too many incompetent managers/leaders, totally agree...seen and have worked with these kind of people. Its like government, there is politics within an organization.

[@StyxShow]

Thanks for acknowledging! Cant believe someone like Cressy Streams dont get the point! He/She rather write a 5 page essay (that noone would read) than spending time watching and understanding the whole point of the video.

[@patrickchan2503]

I attended this college that was promoting the so-called well respected ISC2... I dropped out as I got bored. I don't trust teachers anymore. They are carrot danglers

[@StyxShow]

Just curious, what part you didnt like about ISC2? And w/c technology or cert you find it more interesting?

[@kulbirsingh1875]

Ccie security or oscp

[@jedchua6783]

This is from someone who graduated in a network engineering program and is currently a CISO.. I just disagree with the last part as network engineers also need to know programming(especially), windows server configs(not only linux/unix), legal, risk mngmt, IT gov, QA, ESM, SDLC, cloud, BCM to be a great cybersecurity professional..but yeah learning linux is good enough for entry level cyber. While I agree that it is nearly impossible for cyber people to be network people, it is not easy being in cybersecurity due to how many roles you become accountable to. Easy to get in, hard to master.

[@StyxShow]

Thanks for sharing. The last part was about cybersecurity managers/leaders. They were able to get into cybersecurity with zero to minimal knowledge of everything. I sense you are technical individual and not one of them.

[@arturgrygoruk4705]

My opinion on this subject is: You can not become Great Cyber Security Engineer in Networking Field without strong fundamentals in areas of networking and how basic services are working. I have met during my career many Cyber Security Professionals, some of them having 30+ years of experience, who claims that fundamentals are always crucial, in pentest, security and network engineering and also it will be a valid knowledge in monitoring, vulnerability assessment. I can not imagine how Cisco PSIRT team is mitigating advanced issues in their Cisco products without having good knowledge how network protocols are working in details, especially having in mind that Cisco is networking company, which created first router for enterprise networking. So definitely yes, network knowledge is a key in life of IT/ICT engineers and Cyber Security Professionals !

[@StyxShow]

I know many people in conferences giving cybersecurity talks cant and dont any of the things you mentioned.

[@Thadopeera]

I love network engineering.

[@VRivai]

I took the exam and most of the questions just need a lots of reading.

[@StyxShow]

What exam. Kindly share more details?

[@deb5Hik0241]

What pays more??

[@StyxShow]

Might create a video for that!!

[@rasheedrodneyroberts1568]

From what I see and hear from many Cyber pays more but networking it's essential to become a good Cyber analyst.

[@rasheedrodneyroberts1568]

@@StyxShowplease do!

[@rasheedrodneyroberts1568]

@@CyberWealthArchitect sheesh!! How many years experience do you have? That's gotta play a major role

[@qwerty6789x]

Maybe im just an Old Network Engineer.. My Take is They Literally Created a "Dedicated" or"Separated" Job role on one of our task as Network Engineer years ago. Whelp. good luck to us and everyone on the field. Cheers. So is it safe to say that they are "Overlay Job Roles?" 😂Pun intended 😂

[@StyxShow]

Cybersecurity is broad. Network is highly integrated with Security but there are parts of cybersecurity that are not network focus.

[@stunchbox7564]

True talk

[@CerMaek]

Then Cloud came. ☁

[@StyxShow]

Yeh! Kindly watch this video: Cloud Engineering is better than Network Engineering kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3yroaCdfNaLfNU

[@gilfernando7623]

i do not like Network engineering. Cybersecurity is way better! I used to have CCNA and worked as Network support Specialist, that is when I decided to go to Cybersecurity.

[@SimplyAdiva]

I have my CCNA and love cybersecurity over network engineering. You definitely need to have a strong foundation of networking for cybersecurity

[@StyxShow]

Have you watched the last part? What do you say about it?

[@BritainW3llz]

We’re at the stage where the job of the network engineer is going to be obsolete. It’s going to end up being more about developing scripts to automate processes

[@christianviera8414]

Not even close 🤣, technology is moving so fast that networks can't keep up, I'm a network engineer working directly for the government and the amount of backlog work I have is ridiculous. Networks are constantly growing and evolving and they need physical labor to be installed as well as architecture knowledge to implement and deploy. There's no way network engineer jobs will disappear. Untouchable by AI as well. The backbone will always be the backbone

[@StyxShow]

The discussion is covered here: Cloud Engineering is better than Network Engineering kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3yroaCdfNaLfNU

[@BritainW3llz]

@@StyxShow you’re the bomb 🙏

[@MrVayne1988]

What is there to secure if there is no network?! 🤷🏻

[@StyxShow]

This doesnt apply to all. Many companies provision and maintain applications. They secure applications directly, not much networks - PaaS, SaaS, FaaS.

[@dorime3031]

that is the stupidest thing i have ever heard.

[@aminubello234]

How do you provision and gain access to apps in companies? Is it not over a network? Those apps MUST, and I repeat MUST pass through some servers, switches and routers, right? In addition, literally all cloud service providers that provide services like paas, saas, etc literally provide those services over a network. Who designs, and implements that? The network engineer job role will never go out of fashion. Somebody will always have to be there to lay those Ethernet cables, crimp them properly, install and configure those switches, routers and access points, configure vlans, routing, ACLs etc Networking is like plumbing, it will forever be relevant and needed.

[@christianviera8414]

​@@aminubello234these guys don't get it, they hear the word cloud and they assume that it's a magical entity and doesn't have to travel through a network... Cloud engineering starts with a network connection... Networking will always be needed... It's the roads that cars drive on... Even if you have AI automated cars they still need to drive on roads and people still need to maintain those roads and build new ones

[@paradownload2051]

FACTS!!

[@arunzone4477]

👍🏻

[@J.Giovanni]

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