Neural Physics and Living Time - Lore and Theory

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[@Stratonetic]

"We are the universe's attempt to understand itself." -Carl Sagan

[@watch50er]

Haro Shito -- we’re it so easy

[@nickhowatson4745]

"What we are is when a cloud of Hydrogen and Helium evolves for so long that it begins to ask itself where it came from."

[@sangonomiyakokomi1054]

" Hydrogen & Oxygen, both are flammable, yet their unity extinguish Prometheus light" - some Marine maybe.

[@a.r.h9919]

I would propose cells of beings or entities so far above human understanding trying to understand themselves

[@bennovak2708]

The Precursors understanding of neural physics may be how the consciousness of The Primordial was able to transfer itself to the Flood as a gravemind. By somehow continuing to exist in an extradimensional information-space as a conscious entity until the neural mass and computational capacity of the Flood was sufficient enough to contain it.

[@abysschef5078]

Ben Novak interesting observation

[@allbottledup9513]

Ben Novak Dude you might of just blew my mind. Even as a massive Halo fan for 15 years, I never thought of this but it fits perfectly. The Primordial was the last precursor. When the other precursors dust mutated to create the Flood, he bided his time (or maybe influenced the situation) until he could inevitably use its understand of Neural Physics to transfer into the Flood and become a Gravemind, pulling together the converted precursors and all their victims into one organism. Fucking crazy man! Edit: When he became the Gravemind, he himself was Flood and he merged consciously and physically with his victims. He was the last Precursor, and he found a way to escape death endlessly. Insane show of intelligence and doing whatever it takes to escape death.

[@SuperZero0ne]

>watch a video on halo lore >inadvertently get a lesson on quantum physics/mechanics and Schrödinger’s cat Good video

[@crazyscotsman9327]

My brain hurts from trying to wrap my mind around this quantum mechanics stuff.

[@VainerCactus0]

www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-if-you-think-you-understand-quantum-mechanics-you-don-t-understand-quantum-mechanics-richard-p-feynman-84-72-97.jpg Don't worry, you're not alone in that :)

[@commanderknight9314]

That is quantum mechanics in a nutshell.

[@Skylancer727]

@@commanderknight9314 That's why they called them "quarks". Funny they even have the strange quark which just sounds like a double negative. Could have also been called quarky quark.

[@Dan_Therapist]

can you make a video on *"Casual reconciliation"* Lore and Theory but explained to a 2 year old. I'll admit, it goes over my head to this day and I'm confident I speak for many others. Would be greatly appreciated by many!

[@Calhoon4U]

Man you just blew my mind. That light thing was explained so well I actually understood it.

[@alexandrecredidiooliveira7176]

Neurophisics is the another to call the Force interesting. Basically what you said it is explained in the Indian book Bhagavad Gita is a really good reading.

[@nathangaspar4989]

Observations causing disturbances is also a fundamental part of Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle.

[@matthewh271]

If that’s the case couldn’t the forerunner use the composer on the flood theoretically?

[@nweasels]

Yes. Is this probably a bad idea?.. Most likely yes.

[@alexisbaz8746]

@@nweasels a super computer virus IA able to infect computers and IA using networks...

[@nweasels]

@@alexisbaz8746 that's not outside the realm of possibility.

[@masoclevine836]

This is peak nerd content, I love it

[@TheMariusDarkwolf]

The Delayed choice quantum eraser is really freaky, and can be a supportive experiment regarding living time

[@amaterasu4456]

Most underrated channel in the Halo community. For real, you should have way more subscribers, this is simply amazing. I love how you explain Halo lore with real life examples

[@Korkuthan87778]

Damn, this stuff is so good. This is my kind of gaming channel. Thank you for taking the time to explain these deeper implications of the very rich Halo lore.

[@igkslife]

Sooo... If the theories you said are true, being in IRL, then that means we could be in big trouble by 2525, or 2550.

[@Anomaly-uz9pr]

What if we are the forerunners irl just in a very early stage of our development

[@igkslife]

Yeah, but they'll all be what if's until the day we discover alien life, or they discover us as we expand... Or if we successfully expand into space, and the reason why I say this is because of the political problems plaguing us today... As space x works on star ship, the political problems gets worse, and we all know what happens when governments forget to listen, and the citizen become spoiled. It's just a matter of time, and 2020 to 2024 is going to be interesting to say the least.

[@acendantoverlord5737]

Anomaly1107 The first three halo games always hinted at the possibility of that but Halo 4 had established the Forunners to be a completely different race, and in fact had waged war on “Ancient Humanity”.

[@deltax8202]

@@igkslifethis aged well😢

[@Bacouille]

You're getting pretty close to 50k! I'm proud of you!

[@thorshammer7883]

Can Flood Keyminds move and attack like Brethren moons can from Dead Space and can they create huge monstrously sized pure forms with ease?

[@phoenixjones7191]

yeah they probably can but that isn't close to the danger of them. they tend to form psychic powers in regards to precursor technology and are just as or more intelligent in terms of computing power to the most advanced AI ever created. tentacles don't matter when compared to that.

[@spexsft5294]

Keymind’s>Brethren moons. They would use the star roads against them. Easily wipe. But the brethren rooms are made of bio mass, that the flood would just take over it

[@Nyx_2142]

@@spexsft5294 They wouldn't even need to do that, the Gravemind had the power to literally destroy entire planets with just a thought when the defenders were more stubborn than it liked. The fleets in orbit around these planets also disappeared in flashes of light.

[@Sk8foxx]

The Domain is a precursor construct

[@aardwolf002]

That’s it. Game over. My mind is well and truly bent. 🤪

[@jamesmarrs3741]

Yes, thought is part of quantum,it also affect the quantum,but the real q is by how much

[@lanmassingill9180]

Fantastic!👏👏👏

[@Haimgard]

Very bad take on the observer effect.

[@anarchyandempires5452]

Bro this is legitimately some Warhammer 40k shit.

[@FarbotBurunetNia]

Great interpretation!

[@chasedribben6833]

I’m very sad that halo 6 sucks so bad. You’re videos of lores are great I’ve watched a ton of them. Sucks that we’ve been starved of good content from 343 since reach.

[@tryrshaughroad551]

Don't you like it when a video has 50 likes and 0 dislikes?

[@m7th1c24]

Mindfuck...

[@evanater13]

What. The. Hell.

[@filfa8420]

You wouln't get it

[@sosogo4real]

No u

[@artemisfleming9981]

uno reverse card

[@cortster12]

5:38 No it hasn't. Please don't introduce pseudo science into a Halo video and pass it off as real science. The double slit experiment is complicated, yes, and it reveals a lot about our reality... what it doesn't reveal is anything about conciousness. I know Quantum mechanics is difficult to understand, but please keep the woo woo restrained to fiction.

[@ryans9450]

1th

[@zachsoanes6417]

Dropped that extra chromosome somewhere?

[@ryans9450]

Zach Soanes smh you don’t get it

[@joethemariner]

1rd

[@zachsoanes6417]

4nd

[@lilsammich8252]

Firth?

[@THEMONKEYWITHNOSOUL]

i shall have my existential crisis now

[@ShotGunner5609]

Cool man. When youre done, i made chicken wings.

[@THEMONKEYWITHNOSOUL]

@@ShotGunner5609 Nice, I just made chips and KFC gravy

[@ShotGunner5609]

@@THEMONKEYWITHNOSOUL i dig it, what do you want to drink? Im a lemonade guy myself.

[@ShotGunner5609]

@@THEMONKEYWITHNOSOUL very well

[@Robweisenhowser]

@@THEMONKEYWITHNOSOUL sipping on a coffee 4 years later reading both of your comments.

[@jannegrey593]

Now, people shouldn't misunderstand observer effect as that person has to observe it. Your interpretation is more nuanced and obviously influenced by what "maybe" the Neural Physics in Halo, so I don't blame you for people who will inevitably come to the wrong conclusions on observer effect and how it relates to quantum physics (I've seen this misunderstanding popping up in comments on advanced physics videos on double slit experiment). Wen Deus EX? :D (If you want to make new channel for it, please inform us in one of your videos. Even though I've registered on your discord, I rarely have the time to go there). Cheers from Poland!

[@ethanwagner6418]

If a sapient being isn't around to consciously observe the result, how can one be certain that the superposition is collapsed by the sensor?

[@jannegrey593]

​@@ethanwagner6418 First of all, my biggest problem is that some people understand that it is Human consciousness that collapses the wave function. That is seriously wrong argument, and some people believe it. I suggest reading comments on videos by PBS Spacetime on double-slit experiment, or by Eugene Khutoryansky for example. Or when people insufficiently explain something like that in Physics videos. Comments, are really baffling. Apparently to some people it is a proof that mind has power over matter and energy. There are some unknowns in Physics (and quite a lot of them), but it doesn't mean that people can go in and substitute whatever they believe in, and talk like it is "proven". Last month I had a long Physical/Philosophical/Metaphysical conversation with a guy, who pointed out to double slit experiment as a proof that Universe listens to our minds, and if we concentrate enough on sending energy with good vibrations to people we love as well as to ourselves, than Universe and Mother Earth will grant us eventually any wish we want if we train our minds hard enough. And miraculous remissions of cancer that are caused by power of positive thinking............... I couldn't walk away, since the guy was my therapist and apart from this wackiness did really good job at rehab clinic where I was. But I'm touchy, since it literally started from me trying to explain to him what REALLY the double-slit experiment means. And I'm no expert - my main area of expertise (and even that is unofficial) being in Pharmacology and Neuro-Chemistry. While my primary Physics hobby is Nuclear Physics, Quantum being still hobby, but one less researched by me.

[@thermalvision203]

My interpretation of the double-slit experiment is that the act of observing no matter the means by which it is done somehow alters whatever subject is being observed, even if arbitrarily. I do not buy there being some effect caused by conscience acting upon the observed electrons, as the same wave collapse occurs when the electrons are observed by an inanimate, mechanical observer. This is because the act of observing defines the position of the electrons, thus forcing them to act like particles. Then, what is it about observing that always defines the position of the observed? How can and through what mechanism does the act of observing alter something? And that right there is what we should be discussing.

[@lilsammich8252]

@@thermalvision203 Like observing vibrating energy at one given picosecond and making obsevations about it?

[@jannegrey593]

@@lilsammich8252 You'd literally run into Heisenberg uncertainty principle. Or if you prefer the problem with Fourier transforms and very short time of observation.

[@omg_RANCORS]

ive been going under the assumption that when the forerunners attempted to fight the precursors, the precursors were just like F that and stopped having using physical bodies(you mention that they loved the interaction of life in reality) and the only reason they kept physical bodies was so they could physically interact with reality. the flood is like a galaxy wide time out, a parent punishing an upstart child. humanity has been an interstellar power twice in halo and after the halo array was fired, life clearly returned to the galaxy on other planets and the flood didnt die. so really the whole thing halo experiment was a bit of a failure. same with trying to push down humanity, the forerunners were told humans were the holders of the mantle and they tried to stop it, but here we are all those years later and the Master Chief is trouncing forerunner stuff left and right. the precursors are getting their way, and to them waiting a million years prolly doesnt mean anything.

[@specialayden2588]

Nice theory. Makes sense.

[@unrulybot1352]

So TLDR; The precursors are trying to (not directly) help humanity over the fourunners to attain the mantle?

[@insomniagobrrr5542]

The Monitors kept Flood forms

[@TheShowdown16]

The observer effect in quantum physics has nothing to do with the consciousness or existence of the observer. It merely states that its impossible to measure an object without effecting it. Because in order to measure it you have to interact with it and that interaction will always have an effect on the object. On the scale of quantum physics these disturbances massively gain impact.

[@inuboy867]

I'm starting to wonder if your the DOMAIN INCARNATE, you are that amazing, thank you for this.

[@geekmechanic1473]

This guy makes the best halo content

[@ethanwagner6418]

Now if only he was a biologist so we could get lore and theories videos about alien anatomy.

[@geekmechanic1473]

@@ethanwagner6418 so true

[@S0RGEx]

@@ethanwagner6418 Roanoke Gaming is a biologist who does videos on their anatomy and physiology!

[@jghifiversveiws8729]

He makes the best content period

[@VainerCactus0]

New video idea. Did the Precursors ever work out if Schrödinger’s cat is OK or not?

[@Sword-Breaker]

The Flood, was originally supposed to be a kind of intergalactic catnip.

[@superevolvedshinamalgamleo8168]

@@Sword-Breaker the flood was never supposed to infect but yet it did some precursor

[@thorshammer7883]

How did the Forerunners make their armor and what kind of material is it made of to be so durable?

[@crazyscotsman9327]

Building off of what Thor's Hammer asked. What makes a 'Combat skin' different levels? Like Spark said that the Mjolnir mark V was like a rank 2 what the hell is a Rank 12 Combat Skin?! What kind of crazy nonsense is that?!

[@WolfeSaber9933]

The Forerunners used Hardlight and some mix of metals.

[@thorshammer7883]

@@WolfeSaber9933 But what kind of metals?

[@WolfeSaber9933]

@@thorshammer7883 Advance alloys. They are advanced, right?

[@joshuastender4871]

@@thorshammer7883 for all we know, they could be made of elements that are wholly synthetic. Something that isn't found naturally, or can even be alloyed from differing found elements. But something that is artificially constructed from the sub-atomic on up. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@sigmapopsical272]

Do an analysis video on Atriox Vs the spartens fight scene from halo wars 2 I'd like to know how 1 brute literally crushed 1 of the spartens!

[@Installation00]

Affirmative.

[@djcuevas1057]

RE Immersive Gameplay Walkthroughs Look it up on SpaceBattles.com. That will give you the numbers involved.

[@TheShowdown16]

The act of measuring itself changes the outcome. Independent of if there are living beings present or not. It has absolutely nothing to do with consciousness. Common misconception.

[@joshuastender4871]

That depends on whether or not time truly moves forward, or if it is a constant. Or am I misunderstanding the "viewed personally or planned to be viewed after the fact"?

[@TheShowdown16]

@@joshuastender4871 It doesn't matter if the experiment is observed. It is impossible to measure an object without effecting it. Because in order to measure it you have to interact with it and that interaction will always have an effect on the object. On the scale of quantum physics these disturbances massively gain impact.

[@CFalcon030]

I was looking for that comment. It's indeed a very common misconception, but maybe it's the fault of the physicists for using the word observer instead of something more neutral, like detector or interacting mass or something.

[@joshuastender4871]

@@TheShowdown16 huh, okay. So in the quantum scale, even so much as detection or measuring has an altering impact on the outcome of an event?

[@TheShowdown16]

@@joshuastender4871 Yes.

[@orkobairagi3671]

So the precursors basically used the force as an engineering material 😂😂

[@WolfeSaber9933]

The FORCE is called Superforce, or the four energies of the universe combined.

[@aBANDIT.]

Last time I was this early the precursors where still ruling

[@commanderknight9314]

@Didact Last time I was this early the Didact was sane.

[@cordycole3750]

12 hours and 8 blunt 13 joints later my group still has no answers just more theory and questions

[@bennovak2708]

Here's the thing about neural physics, I think it is a very real thing, at least in a certain form. I've always been extremely interested in physics and recently got interested in the science of consciousness. There are certain physical hypotheses about how consciousness fits into the universe and may actually have some measure of effect on the physical universe. This blurs the line separating mind and matter, since both are forms of information. The Domain in Halo sounds a lot like the "Akashic Records" from Theosophical literature.

[@latenightgaming5057]

Isn't it just fascinating. I love it. I believe this has some truth. There's a lot to the universe we don't quite understand. But maybe we just been looking at it all wrong the whole time🤔. Science 🤓

[@FGS-yk3vc]

The fact that the universal star dust material in every living being's molecules is made of means that life and consciousness is just the universe experiencing itself. Maybe the concept of living time has some merit to it.

[@latenightgaming5057]

@@FGS-yk3vc I love this stuff man. Can go on forever

[@FGS-yk3vc]

@@latenightgaming5057 Hope I blew your mind a little.

[@latenightgaming5057]

@@FGS-yk3vc yeah you did. This is something I believed myself for awhile. I'm glade to see more ppl look at it that way too. I hope you have a good day sir and happy holidays

[@icekick1173]

I have no idea how you explained quantum physics so well but you did and I applaud you for that

[@icekick1173]

Seriously thousands of KZbin videos on the subject but ur video really made it easy to understand and now I have to rethink my life so thanks

[@ur-didact1991]

Making them a type 7 civilization on new kardoshav scale

[@tristenjames7462]

This channel has made me realize I'm not nearly as big of a Halo fan as I thought I was. Where the fuck is this even talked about in the Halo universe?

[@terpfen]

The light slit experiment has been used as support for the multiverse theory. The supposition is that the particle interference is coming from the adjacent/overlapping universes where the same experiment is being conducted at the same time.

[@joshuastender4871]

And that viewing the experiment strengthens the barrier between the two overlapping events? That's an interesting idea.

[@mariastevens6406]

So if the Flood are actually the Precursors, and both are simply stages in the process of the Living Universe experiencing itself, then wouldn't that mean that the Precursors' artifacts are made out of actual material from the entity of the Living Universe? Since the Living Universe is supposedly reality itself, then that would explain why the Precursors' artifacts never decay.

[@Withoutasoul6]

I’ll cry trying to do my physics hw but am amazed when I listen to installation00

[@rowangallagher4579]

I can't think of a concept of which has both the implications of both beauty and horror quite like this one. This idea runs so deep, and if true could revolutionize our understanding of the universe. maybe that's our purpose to begin with.

[@bmxdude1337]

Damn I love the Halo universe so much

[@zackporter9960]

I subscribe to the idea that the denial of the mantle was the true test of worthiness for the forerunners, which they absolutely failed

[@galacta7300]

Took me a while to realize you read the halopedia wiki. Not that there's anything wrong with that, I am just surprised. Thought this was initially all original from your end.

[@k.rahimi4969]

I came here to learn about precursor 'technology' and ended up learning about wave-particle behaviours. Nice.

[@brendonpitcher5611]

collapsing wave functions? I'm more of a many-worlds type of guy, but hey whatever floats your boat

[@hawk7466]

2st

[@Slayer_7666]

Dude. This is enough to mess with the brain. I love it.

[@latenightgaming5057]

Science 🤓✊🏾

[@robrockstar9648]

No fair you changed the outcome by measuring it

[@nathanclark5215]

What the fuck just happened to my mind

[@longanddeadly]

HEre is the thing about the particle thing: The particles change because the act of 'looking' at something so small is by casting light or 'energy' on it, which is what actually alters the particle. MAgic.

[@Reyma777]

@ Installation00 UNSC Marines vs COG Gears ? Semi Halo related

[@MrBozo08]

hey installation00, great video as always, however i found it incredibly hard to follow along too (especially in the first half). i understand that youre explaining a complicated topic and that your target audience are people well knowledgeable in extended halo lore ( a group id put myself in), however that being said there were alot of words or phrases(especially in the first half) Id have loved if youd explained further and broken down more, so that it would have been easier to follow or understand. anyway asides from that thanks for another awesome video.

[@Chrissteve1107]

Thanks for the content, man. While a lot of the other Halo KZbinrs just want to talk about Halo Reach mods, you still give me the lore and theories. I really appreciate that personally.

[@dannymckenzie8329]

I dont know the supreme reality behind this universe, but imagining it and reflecting on how it affects me excites every fiber of my being for whatever reason.

[@CaptainPilipinas]

these are not the Pattern though. how many at least a few Dozen [Flowers] have they alternatively traveled to though?.... yes. Not as wide as what the Pattern have Simulated and converged in several [Games]. though even then their Time 'dominance' are overshadowed by what happened during the entry chapter of [T=0].... by the [Two] [New Rule]-makers.

[@kevinwarren257]

I really appreciate creators like you. People like you, HiddenXperia, General Kidd, and Halo Follower just keep giving me what I crave.

[@lucifiaofthefreecouncil1312]

from what I understand the reason why observation effects the measurement is because we observe by using photon reflections and the more accurate a measurement we want the more energy those photons carry that reflect off of the subject we are observing which imparts energy into that subject changing it's state aka "influencing it's measurement". So how I understand it is it's impossible to know the state of any quanta by 100% accuracy without collapsing it's wave function because of the energies involved in looking. It's like trying to find the temperature of water by shooting a heat ray at it lmao your not going to get a reading of what the temperature was before you used the heat ray and since particles can exist anywhere with in a certain range of energy and position there will always be uncertainty of where and at what energy it was before it was measured aka it's wave function

[@offensivebiasmusic]

All was sweetness, for its grinding mill.

[@cosmicagent5999]

Hello and welcome back to the internet :D

[@lilsammich8252]

Thank you 00.

[@taylorwalker2814]

Pascual Jordan’a expression in that photo is probably exactly like when he found this shit out 😂

[@erichdegurechaff9515]

AI isnt a bunch of "what if" code, quantum particles reacting to observation isnt a sign of consciousness. We dont even know what an "observer" is, a cat could make the particles to behave like when we observe?

[@theeoverseer33]

33:888 must me tough living day by day knowing all thos info. We humans that are mere gamers have a rough life. To be or not to be🖐👍🌝🌞☯️👌🤔🤔

[@nightone9720]

"You are the aperture through which the universe explores itself with" Alan Watts Alan Watts will absolutely blow your mind.

[@Agis5512]

I stumbled upon this video looking for background noise while at work. I’m going to have to watch it again later because this is a fascinating concept that requires my full attention.

[@seancollins8749]

everyone do yourselves a favor and read biocentrism by dr. robert lanza he explains why this stuff is real and grounded in modern physics and explains the double slit thing much better.

[@a.r.h9919]

Could the flood in a way be their avatar to interact with the universe like a playground or experiment to in times of wanted create and subvert life in experiments ? and could the precursors are outside of it or perhaps are a part of neural physics becoming essentially part of reality ?

[@jakemerchant950]

Soooooooooo...the universe itself is a conscious entity able to influence how it's perceived by sentient beings? Thanks for my fifth existential crisis in two months.

[@dannymckenzie8329]

Precursor? Primordial? Forerunner? Flood? Humanity? Who holds the torch upon the mantle.

[@dannymckenzie8329]

This fundamental discovery made in the real universe that's intrinsic to the human specie... deep within its aptitude and universal intuition is precisely the reason why the precursors decided the forerunners were not worthy and instead humanity was the worthy species for the mantle of responsibility, and the events that take place in halo is a means for the precursors to test the humans before passing it on.

[@austynj2648]

I didn’t ask to question my existence tonight, but thanks I guess

[@ChironTheWounded]

>psykers in Halo Fuckin' mutants

[@resilientlemon1302]

So that's why the precursors hate forerunners so much

[@shadowdragonx07]

ok i wanna ask if quntum mech. and concusness exsist in the same could tat mean tat even if the biological matter dies the con. of tat being still lives 🤔....or simpwy put chur still alive even if chur biomatter dies am i right 🙄🤔

[@johnbornjohnborn]

I think the structure of neurons gives way for consciousness. So when that structure rots away cosmic consciousness can no longer flow through the so called individual. So I don't think there are spirits floating around. When your neuron structure is dissolved or destroyed that is it for that person.

[@davemarx7856]

I do hope this video gets another boost in views

[@바보Queen]

can someone explain like im 5

[@Vessel3791]

Well, that was a mind fuck.

[@spartanalex9006]

So in other words, Magic.

[@sinofgluttony2961]

Man you better be careful, the men in black might be coming for you.....lol

[@angus57720]

Or even worse, O.N.I.

[@MACE_HINDU]

Jeez this some deep deep shit

[@E1025]

Really enjoyed this video. Gives a lot of food for thought particularly around the double slit experiment.

[@ZigZacho]

Keep em coming!! I love the Precursor info, especially from your channel. Merry Christmas!!

[@stevenmackey582]

It’s more than that with the delayed observation of the electrons or photons. If the delayed observation cannot differentiate which slit the particle travels through, then it goes back to the wave pattern. But if you have the same delayed observation, just that it allows you to differentiate the slit, the wave function is broken showing only two concentrations. Truly spooky stuff.

[@Gurren813]

My thoughts about neural physics is based around starlight, namely how stars flicker in the sky. The constant dimming and shining of the stars is like the transistors in a computer chip. This makes the galaxy as a whole into something like a single core in a universe-sized computer chip. The functions of said chip are on a high level of existence to ours, and yet the precursors tapped into it and programmed the universe to their liking.

[@nicholasjonas452]

So... basically precursors could make structures and technology out of thin air at will, while being able to record every single experience by every single creature in this technology. And what I'm getting at is that the flood, onced has amassed biomass at a galactic scale, can use and create this technology. Am i wrong?

[@TheStrayHALOMAN]

I hope we get to flight along side the flood one day, or play as them.

[@DARKWIZRDDUDE]

I really hope 343 doesnt put them selves up against a wall with the precursors building them up so much as these all powerful gods of the universe just to have them end up becoming like the reapers from mass effect cause they don't know what to do with them