NEVER Click This

[@xyro3633]

"They're obviously not offering me everything they have" I'm entitled to my taxes, ratman

[@Battleseyttv]

Always make the ratties pay.

[@quint3ssent1a]

AI: damn, now I'm in half a million gold debt, but at least those Jordans were real.

[@Amir-mq4jy]

Bro is single-handedly creating a 2008 economical crises is warhammer.

[@iforgotmyname1669]

I use to think the AI had infinite gold and just "acted" like it had limits, but for the first time in 1000 hours, I actually witnessed an AI faction wither away because they had a negative income and they lost all their armies to desertion. I know CA didn't set the AI up for that because they never even attempted to cut costs or disband units. They just sat there and slowly died.

[@ogrimbothesour2976]

In fairness, that seems like the more accurate simulation of the decline of an empire

[@kippies66]

It happened to one of my vassals once. Caused their troops to stop replenishing.

[@victorcaldera249]

i do this a lot but my strategy is different 1 click balance offer 2 see how much gold it gives me if acceptance is still high check demand payment is maximum lower then balance if yes leave the screen and take the balanced offer if no play around to see how much you can really get out of them its most often that the balance is the best offer your going to be getting unless you have a very stingy Ai

[@_Meriwether]

**The Spiffing Brit wants to know your location**

[@CptRusky69]

My man, I gotta disagree with you (slightly) on this. ALWAYS click balance offer when you want the rest of your deal in gold. THEN manually adjust the payment to milk the AI for more money until the agreement is at the max amount before hitting red 0.0. This makes sure you get the max* money every time. *Max can be tedious to get the exact amount they're willing to pay, but it's doable. Pro tip, once you type a new number on the payments screen, click the radio button "demand payment" to trigger the attitude value to change. Otherwise you have to hit check and go back in to the payment screen if you want to adjust it.

[@jamesespinosa690]

Correct take. The video title is clickbait.

[@SiodogRehane]

Exactly, the only situations you can bankrupt the AI is actually with settlements, almost every other option doesn't get that many points

[@MrHellboy112]

you know what? I will click it even more

[@TheArakan94]

What happens on next turn? Does the debt they have just disappear or can you really put AI into prolonged negative by doing this?

[@Battleseyttv]

They'll make the income per turn and if it's not enough to get them out of the negative it'll stay like that.

[@kluasvt828]

@@Battleseyttv So does their armies take casualties or?

[@isthianlyon1706]

This is depressing to see, another half-assed band-aid to cover for an AI incapable of managing it's resources. Great strategy to find for the player, but it's so gamey it takes me right out of immersion and back to 'sure am playing an incredibly buggy computer game'.

[@alexmcd378]

A, this is just a bug. Someone forgot to check the balance before allowing the treaty. B, it's easy to complain. Feel free to do better

[@nasraliproductions2571]

​@alexmcd378 game AI was always trash, and yet they did nothing about it. In fact, we don't complain enough about that. And It's just the tip of the iceberg.

[@alexmcd378]

@@nasraliproductions2571 uh huh. Well, I'm sure you can do better.

[@dtappsnz2735]

@@alexmcd378it’s not the community’s job to fix the game you loon.

[@BloodwyrmWildheart]

@@alexmcd378 Imagine unironically defending laziness.

[@will9501]

They're taking out a loan silly goose. Also don't trash talk the balance button, that has saved unimaginable amounts of time from the bit by bit feeling out of offers.

[@Silent-Samurai]

Damn this tip i very good. Now excuse me, i have to bankrupt some NPC Factions.

[@Zero_5906]

How do you get this context viewer?

[@dieterhans1860]

The Big Cheese is pleeeeased

[@XShotokanX]

This is GAMECHANGING for those of us to like give settlements to an allied faction but don't want them to to actually prosper. So by asking for too much money they basically can't recruit or keep troops to keep the given settlements.

[@TotalWarriorLegends]

Do more of these tricks and tips!

[@johnolsson2923]

Will the AI lose troops to attrition for being out of money?

[@Seawulfnorsemen]

The damage is VERY minimal. They barely suffer the losses the player does. Hence bankruptcy, supply lines, desert/snow, chaos/vampire corruption, and even plagues barely do anything to them.

[@johnolsson2923]

@@Seawulfnorsemen yes i know. But i play modded so they do. With aggressive AI mod etc. So would like to know if they do

[@albireon2903]

yes.

[@radwan2361]

Holly moly CA dont fix that 😂

[@Atercor-kx8hs]

Okay, so it may be a silly question, but does the amount of money (or you not asking any, for that matter) affects your relationship with that faction in any way shape or form? Like, you didn't ask anything in return: they love you. You balanced the thing with button: they liked you. You squeezed them like federal agent for every bloody nickel: they tolerate you.

[@kuarti98]

Not rly. It has no impact. Actually, try always to squeeze them, so you can give the money you took from them back to them as gifts if you are trying to make them like you more.

[@Battleseyttv]

The only thing it can do is stop the AI from building anything/ recruiting. From a relationship POV it's completely fine it's usually a net positive

[@Pyromaniac77777]

Tbh I use the button because I do a lot of trading and it saves me time. Great info though!

[@nailigniststarzear6689]

I always do it unless it hit 0.00 already or close

[@SpikyDane]

interesting

[@FxTR22]

It caps out at 2000 in the diplomatic screen per trade. It does not go infinite, there are not enough settlements in the game to do so. That's a bit of a misleading terminology.

[@Battleseyttv]

Firstly, thanks for commenting on the video! It caps out at 2000 only for those that have a weak economy, if you watched the entire video you'd of seen the example also with Volkmar who offered 3000 base, it'll increase depending on their income per turn. You're also insinuating that settlements are the only thing the AI would be willing to pay for which isn't the case at all, there's an abundance of things that'd allow you to leverage diplomacy to gain more money. Such as declare war on somebody. It isn't misleading in the slightest, if you're able to leverage diplomacy for whatever reason you can keep getting gold.

[@FxTR22]

Hi thanks for the reply 😊 i was bit tired when i wrote this and kinda wrote nonsense. I watched the video till the end and i am aware of this mechanic already for some time. Usually i tend not to use it since next turn ai might have more money to spare, e.g. after a battle they won or if they loose an army and get higher income again What i was trying to say was that your description of the mechanic in the thumbnail never click this and then click it for a better deal is contrasicting. Misleading was perhaps the wrong word. Guess its get people to click more the video. 😂 You can squeeze some money out but this can give y not very much in return. Can iamgine working it ok with chaos factions which do not build up minor settlements.. What i was not aware of was that the ai actually goes into the negative. Thats interesting.

[@RealEvilLordExdeath]

I hate mod users

[@Battleseyttv]

Context viewer isn't a mod, it's built into the game

[@reinaldoantonio7271]

I'm sorry for what a mod user did to you to cause such trauma 😢😢😢

[@RealEvilLordExdeath]

@@reinaldoantonio7271 its just tjat i hate cheating in games. Im a bit oldschool, i know

[@memedaddy6932]

​@@RealEvilLordExdeath I used to think the same way. I considered mods to harm the balance of a game, but over time I learned how 'balanced' games in their unmodded state are. Now I believe that depending on the mod, it can actually improve game balance and fix mechanics that function in unintended ways. There most certainly are mods out there that give ridiculous cheats, but the majority of mods are actually more balanced than what the developers themselves release.

[@sleepy68]

Who hurt you my guy?