NEVER Do This When Speed Training! | GC Quad vs Trackman | Martin Borgmeier

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

Drop you questions for the next Q&A down here:

[@connorgman7267]

When it comes to loft and face angle, what would you say is most optimal for you. I am trying out different lofts and face angles to achieve my optimal carry for right now.

[@michaelisenhoff5639]

I golf a couple times a year and just went to top golf and I hit it over the back net and it said my ball speed was 175 180 average could I really compete in long drive with practice?? This is the first channel I found about long drive so thanks 🙏🏼

[@JYFilms]

im a 4 inch tee guy, I'm around a +5° to +9° on my driver AoA, which is great for hitting farther (112 swing/165 ball) but i fade away on my back foot on my swing so i know im losing distance...what drills can i do to improve without lowering my AoA?

[@PETERMALMOS]

Hey Martin great stuff! im currently battling too much 'dynamic loft' and spin. How would you recommend practicing to get better launch, spin and dynamic loft?

[@PETERMALMOS]

@@JYFilms im following this one!

[@edwardgerald7567]

Thankyou for featuring me Martin, thanks for the nice content 😊

[@ballforegolf]

I am fascinated with the physical mechanics of the swing. I am a baseball player by trade and use physics/ground force, etc to teach hitting. All of this makes perfect sense to me. Now, I just need to apply it to my game.

[@rmellendick]

This is exactly the content we are looking for!!!

[@Simeon-the-Magnificent]

A bit calmer in this video champ! Last video I saw you were hyped up to the max! Good to see both sides of you bro, keep smashing it!

[@lawbinson]

That club path / swing direction / angle of attack info was mind blowing.

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

glad you liked it!

[@Dagoof2k7]

I LOVE my GC Quad! Thanks for the explanation regarding the difference between GCQ vs. Trackman.

[@andrewhillman6315]

Awesome video! well done Martin, I can remember the first time I saw you in France, 217mph ball speed & you have only got schneller!!

[@PetSKi67]

Smart explanation on the airspeed/spin rate behaviour.

[@brianmurray4199]

Dude loving your channel and your collabs with Bryson and Hogan.

[@neutrino61]

eine total geile Trainingssession! Endlich einmal weight/pressure shift super erklärt und demonstriert! Hammer! Dankeschön

[@doctorstrange2549]

Hi Martin, huge fan here!! Thanks the great videos!

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

Thanks!

[@RayLindsayGolfsim]

need more of this Martin!

[@FR_AI_MUSIC]

So good to see distances in Meters and not in Yards !!!

[@jnzk712]

Awesome video. Great insights people should know about the two devices.

[@billmertens6759]

Trackman provides an "optimal carry" number. Basically, how far you could have hit it with that swing speed. Do you pay attention to that at all, or is that one of the features you turn off? First time I used Trackman it was amazing how those number exactly matched my stock club yardages, but also, how often and how much I was below those, even on what felt like good swings. Now, I find that's something to strive for in a session. Just hitting that number or as close as possible all the time.

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

it's a great feature but I never use it

[@alanshinny4565]

Super. Here, as in all your videos, I got super valuable swing skills development patterns. Top notch. You don't have to compete for a living. You can make a great living with videos and teaching if you want. Seriously

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

I enjoy competing way too much!

[@alanshinny4565]

@@MartinBorgmeierLD That's the spirit! Would not want it any other way. Nice to have options

[@treyhallmark5418]

You are such a beast good luck competing this year!

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

Thanks, Trey!

[@jeffforrest5921]

This was great. Just played first league night on a trackman.. mostly great bit had a few low heel drives that showed as massive hooks and it felt wrong... you just explained what I was feeling!! Thank you! Subscribed!

[@bens1505]

Hi Martin, great content. I like all the details, data and explanations. Please keep doing this. Would be awesome if you could do some data and tech details focused videos from time to time for the data nerds on this channel. The TM / Quad comparison is awesome!

[@martyperry4256]

Great content, love to see you gym workout and nutrition routines that you do.

[@jvelez1998]

I pressed the thumbs up on this video right when I pressed play. Been waiting for this comparison for a long time from someone credible. Martin is badass boss with the golf IQ of a scholar. There are imposters then there is this man…. This dude is going to monster on KZbin!! 💪💪💪🔥🔥🔥✊✊🙌🙌💯💯

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

Thanks Jason! Working on it!

[@PetSKi67]

I hit 115 clubhead today in Trackman Studio after a long period of injuries and multiple rigid rehab. However on other shots I had 163-165 ball, but 4000+ rpm on hits, I felt flushing. They should’ve flown past 300 m to my experience, but the longest were around 275. My driver is Cally Mavrik Sub Zero 9° with ProjectX Smoke Yellow 73 g 6.0.

[@lawbinson]

This is such amazing content. Thank you Martin

[@andstuff5]

So much great information on these videos bro. Please keep them coming

[@benmajkowski5657]

Great video and great quality honestly didn’t realize you only had 6k subscribers until just now been watching for about a month and if I would’ve guessed I would’ve said you had at least 100k so keep it up and I’m sure you will get there 👍

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

I appreciate it!! just started a month ago, making progress 👍🏾

[@tellwilliams4493]

I love your videos I can see everything you’re talking about it while you’re talking about it it’s almost like being there

[@dominicbaiamonte9991]

Where is the video you mentioned around 16:26 about smash factor on different trackers?

[@a13ul1]

Hi Martin, Awesome video, first one I've seen and you've got a subscriber for life! Great content and audience inclusion. I'm a new golfer only started a few months ago and a lot of your explanations and responses to questions have really helped me understand a lot! Thank you!!!

[@supinderbabra7068]

Martin - SUPERB video (first timer and one to stay). Can you do a video of how to to setup a driver from the side, back and front (basically) all angles and then walking us through the common mistakes we make and what we you recommend for us to change in order to avoid making the mistakes. Keep up the good work always!

[@johnreid6435]

Great video Martin, really interesting stuff!

[@streetparkingteacher]

Got a new fan! Love the explanations!

[@bryceerickson6096]

These videos are getting so damn good! The editing, education and question time are awesome. How much do you think about hand and arm speed for distance?

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

that‘s a cool topic!!

[@danecvetkovic]

@@MartinBorgmeierLD I'd love to know too- how do you create more angular velocity through the use of the lats/arms/wrists? As to loading and releasing the handle in the proper point in time to get the clubhead moving so freaking fast at impact. Awesome insights!!

[@alexlevine81]

Would you be able to create a video that showed 1) ideal way to create speed for long drive and 2) the ideal way to create speed for normal golf and the combo of consistency + power / differences from long drive?

[@marclivingston9124]

I’ve worked a lot on both. But I’ve found the Foresight to be much better in general , especially in the simulator room. Been working a lot on AoA , trying to stay hitting from the inside to create that nice high draw with 2200/2000spin rather than coming steeep with like 4000spin or something stupid

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

very smart moves there!

[@tellwilliams4493]

I would like a video just on the move on your backswing that weight forward backward motion thing

[@jv8232]

Great Video. I am seing so many big guys playing the white tour wrap grip. Is it because of the stickyness of the grip and the additional weight?

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

it‘s a great way to mess around with weight nuances

[@SACThailand]

Really like the way you explain data and your swing technique. Would love to see not just the long drive stuff, but normal golf swing as well.

[@andresd11]

Diet, weekly food and nutrition please! Any stretching?

[@thomaspaysinger1047]

great content i love the fact you let us ask questions..I like to watch your speed training without questions i know that hard to focus...An i have never used lauch monitor.I did have guy wanted to check my playing speed one time with swing speed one an it was 145mph..i never done lessons none of that we all different i just believe best is just hitting balls thats my favorite thing to do

[@danskudlarz1679]

LOVE watching these videos. Be great to know what EVERY golfer should be doing to give themselves the best opportunity to get maximum distance from their clubs that are within the rules of golf. For example using a 48inch driver instead of a standard size that are sold in shops etc! Are there any other rules that can be taken advantage of or things that golfers should be doing? And you could compare the difference if you did these things compared to if you don’t

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

I wouldn’t recommend the average golfer to swing a 48" club but to get individually fitted for clubc

[@russellgarner3073]

I’ve got a garmin R10 personal launch. It’s pretty accurate on distance, but I know it’s a bit of a guess on spin rate. I feel since I started to try and swing fast I’ve added 3 mph club head speed with a 7 iron. Also hitting with conviction hasn’t caused me any difference in deviation. My advice swing hard and commit great results

[@benmartinez8995]

If you had the Pro V'1s that are called I don't remember but they're like 70$ a dozen and are literally made just so trackman picks up there actual spin indoors, so that is one way to not have trackman make up numbers for spin

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

I was touching that in the video, it‘s called RCT and while testing I didn’t see a difference to the metal dots but convenience

[@nicktenuta4005]

If your goal is to gain speed. 1)Most important muscle groups to strengthen. 2) what’s a reasonable goal for amount of speed gain for a year?

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

gains are very individual and the whole body is important but if I had to prioritize, then I go by largest muscle groups from the ground up

[@dadthumbsz5533]

Yooo - So i'm in the UK - Strong and look like i should hit it miles....I don't......How do i work on getting quicker club head speed? Purely swing speed training?

[@liamfirth1284]

Videos always getting better 👌👌

[@Squirrelthegolfer]

Enjoyed the video… I just got a Uneekor Eye XO set up. Have you ever tried their sims and how do you think they compare?

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

I‘ve never heard of them

[@Murkz21]

I'm really curious about what iron shaft you are using now, looks like steelfiber?

[@shawnkang-dc8uz]

How about out door? You have Trackman for indoor right? What if when you compare on outside? Also does it makes very different between four piece ball and one piece ball and bad ball?

[@leoholmlund3181]

Great video Martin!

[@mikewilliams1479]

What's the difference between you gamer and LD driver? Also what other clubs you have in your bag while you're at it cheif. Have your tried other devices like FlightScope, Swing Caddie or Garmin launch monitor?

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

5° at 46" and 2.5° at 48" is the main difference. Shafts specs bit different too. I‘ve used a lot of launch monitors but for super high speeds, they don‘t work (especially indoors)

[@clint330]

borgy, would love to see you compare those with the flightscope mevo + which is for most golfers the more viable monitor to buy. what you think?

[@cactusjackaz8920]

Thank you for the great content. Question for you. How is a counter fall different from a reverse pivot?

[@europeanprogolftour3628]

guten Tag Martin. Have you ever tried the GC3 as of yet? As you are more interested in launch conditions, wouldn't the GC 3 be enough for you?

[@jamesstewart9890]

Great content as always.

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

Thanks, James!

[@julianwuttke9549]

What are you doing to hit the ball higher on the face?

[@deliaren]

Hey Martin, what kind of tee are you using to practice on the driving mat? I've been having issues with the stock standard rubber tees being unable to adjust the height of them.

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

I use Tee Claw here to be able to use my bamboo tees and adjust height

[@MrKenneth0112]

you are the best! althought i can not afford either trackman or GC Quad. the only track monitor i have is garmin G80 Can you hit a crazy number on garmin g80 , Because it`s calculation number on high speed is also very weird. I never see ball speed higher than 180mph on garmin g80

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

most of the budget devices are pretty OK for the average golfer but not usuable for high speeds

[@jumpguyty]

Dude, LOVE this content. I can't believe you don't have 100k subs, honestly. QUESTION: What would you recommend for a tee set up? I'm looking for durable tees that I don't have to chase around lol. Thanks again for all you're doing for LD! I'm brand new to the world, but have added 50 yards to my drive in 2-months by watching your videos!

[@holeinone206]

Great stuff Martin! Can’t wait to see more videos from you, aswell as regecy! Keep up the great work/ content! My question for you is… I really want to get my ball speed up to the 170/180 range I’m currently stuck around the low 160s. I’m around 30 years old 5”11 185lbs very athletic/ enjoy going to the gym (5/6 days a week) but just seem to be stuck in the 160 range any tips/ advice to help me on my quest for more speed. I’ve never had a golf lesson all self taught currently around a 10 handicap, really thinking about getting a swing coach/ golf lessons to help me on my journey. Also really need to get properly fitting for my clubs/ get my numbers really dialed in, I know that would help a ton! Would love to hear your insight! Thank you so much for your time! Cheers from Canada (another factor limiting my swing) the winters are brutal here in Canada 😆 but I still have the gym/ simulators in the off season atleast…🤣

[@chrisverheyen3848]

how much should you spend on your first long drive driver for practicing and being able to hit it correctly? Also where would you recommend you go to purchase or build one?

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

get any you can find to make your first couple swing, for specific LD drivers: some shops carry them, like Sellinger‘s Power Golf or One Stop Power Shop

[@tylerelliott9350]

Hi Martin, Can you please do some type of comparison on shaft flex and club head loft and how it affects spin rates and smash factors/ball speed? I like watching these videos while Im injured it really gives me something to look forward to trying when I get back on the course. Thank you

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

I will definitely look into that

[@tinytoons2517]

This man is beast, look out Mr Berkshire . . he has some monster moves!

[@JonathanBrown-e6r]

Hi Martin, Really like your channel. I've been working on my chs and so far with a driver i get around 180 to 185 ball speed. However, I get to much spin, so it really reduces the distance. What can I do to reduce the spin?

[@justnews9738]

In your vid you said force monitor and I remember foot pads measure it. So why not creat a handle pad that measures force on club the same as a foot pad does?

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

it‘s not too easy, I guess weight is an issue

[@mvansb23]

How do you buy a Callaway long drive head? I’d love to get a 5* Callaway head on a 47 inch head

[@m.l.3385]

Hi Martín, nutze mal die Titleist RCT Pro V1 Bälle

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

I touched it in the video, I've tested them. Haven't seen a real difference to the metal dots but convenience. Also spin axis is not affected by it. The interesting part with the RCT is spin decay measurements and dimple R&D when used outside

[@garethgriesel9686]

This man is insane. 240 ball speed coming soon 🔥

[@bennyca137]

So pumped up after this video

[@metalheads-golf]

Damn Trackman really misinformation is good to understand. Cool info Martin. Stay metal dude, Eric. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻

[@justnews9738]

I watch your hips a lot. Yeah arms do most but at least most of us can move those hips like you. I feel more inside out path with proper hips. Thanks for the video

[@Duk3Nuk3m3D]

Such a great journey you are on. Love all the great content you produce. You are a blast💥. Can you create a video about optimal swing weight for drivers and impact on speed?

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

great topics, will definitely add that at some point

[@NettechZelkova]

How do you u like the Paderson Ballistic Shafts?

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

love em

[@DiegoGarcia-mj7wo]

Great video and content Martin. Love the long ball and been getting into speed training for the last months. How many speed sessions and strength session do you have a week?

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

1-4 session, depending on time of the year

[@joeiacovino9660]

Interesting, i work as a club fitter using trackman 4, do you have the overhead unit that captures impact? Ive noticed that unit tends to give spot on impact locations, spin and spin axis.

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

what overhead unit are you talking about?

[@joeiacovino9660]

@@MartinBorgmeierLD Our trackmans have a second little radar thing that mounts above where you place the ball to record impact location. When compared with impact tape it is nearly 100% accurate at telling you where the strike was on the face so long as you have the correct club selected. With that extra data of having impact location that gives the spin calculation a lot more to work with and makes it more accurate. I almost never see italic spin numbers when im doing a fitting unless it was a horrendous strike.

[@garrysutcliffe6254]

Where's the shirt from?

[@lemoneleven2179]

God i wish there was somekind of product like trackmam or gcquad that was at a price point i can actually afford, here in canada the off seasons are tough its hard to love golf and be able to practice in the winter properly

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

GC3 / Bushnell Launch Pro is coming, might be something to look into

[@lemoneleven2179]

@@MartinBorgmeierLD thanks for the headsup! Will definitely have to look into it

[@brockwilliams203]

Are you going to invest in some of the Pro V 1 RCT balls to get better spin numbers on the track man?

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

as I said during the video, I didn’t see a difference in spin reads compared to the metal dots but convenience

[@ThreadsandTreadsGreenwich]

Golf Zon simulator ~ calculated or measured?

[@charliebigchips]

Hey Martin, great content and well presented videos. Would love to see your thoughts on the more affordable launch monitors. As much as I would love a quad/trackman I don’t have a spare £20k knocking about and I’m sure most amateur golfers are in the same boat. If you could do a video comparing the skytrack, flight scope and maybe even chuck in the Garmin R10, that would be very helpful for amateur golfers.

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

unfortunately these devices can‘t keep up with high speeds, so my reviews would be devastating. I see most indoor facilities nowadays use TM or Quad. You don‘t need to own a device to have access to it

[@NettechZelkova]

Should I practice taking it back further and fast to increase speed? I feel like I've hit a platue of 135mph

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

for LD it‘s a yes, for golf it‘s a it depends

[@robertsmith8699]

Do you change your swing to match those spin and launch conditions with different winds or do you have different driver set ups?

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

both + tee height

[@fraserweir538]

I'd be interested to know what your thoughts are on how relaxed you grip and wrists are at the top of backswing and through impact. Ive seen some good videos on relaxing the grip to create lag but also speed through impact. Your thoughts appreciated.

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

I never really paid attention to it because feel and real can be very different. Currently there‘s no way to measure force applied to the grip that I know of

[@savvasladonikolas1523]

Love your channel.. I spin it too high maybe you done it before any advice on how to lower spin …

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

check out my latest video on that 🔥

[@FiveKay]

hey martin they have 3D image of yourself with the data you were talking about. i seen a video that was recorded at taylormade

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

yes, plenty with different systems

[@bretnuttall8302]

Can't wait for the T1000 version of this Terminator.

[@quinnready2936]

Hi Martin. The place you practice looks a lot like a university lab. Is it at a university or some sort of office complex?

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

it‘s my office 🤠

[@ChrisShanks2709]

Do the shoes you wear impact the speeds you can produce ?

[@tjallisongolf]

Yes. Athalonz is the best known and most widely used. They have angled, hard bottomed insoles to help ensure that you can load the trailside rapidly without going too far to where you can't shift weight to your front side. The hard insoles actually also ensure there is less shock absorption. Imagine trying to maximize GRF with a 2 inch sponge between your shoe and the ground. The GRF would be weak. I personally have switched to customized Payntr shoes that have carbon fiber in the outsole and I have added carbon fiber under insoles and placed my Athalonz insoles into the payntrs to try to maximize GRF.

[@williamyu1335]

Whats ur thought on 17 17 being the optimal numbers for distance? 17 launch angel and 1700 spin = optimal distance.

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

it‘s a very good number but optimum can only be defined based on conditions

[@rickysleeper6841]

Martin you should redo this with an RCT Pro V1x the ball trackman help develop for the spin. It’s 99 percent accurate over the old way with a silver dot on a regular ball.

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

I was touching this in the video, I have tested this and see no difference to the metal dot but convenience

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

doesn‘t affect spin axis either

[@BAA3595]

What shaft and flex are you using for your 46 inch driver?

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

Kinetixx Ballistic here

[@BAA3595]

@@MartinBorgmeierLD Thank you! I assume it's the Ballistic TP D50 version.

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

D30

[@BAA3595]

@@MartinBorgmeierLD Thank you! Love the channel. Great content. Please keep it coming!

[@BAA3595]

@@MartinBorgmeierLD Hey Martin, sorry one more question. May I ask why you are using the D30 vs D40 or D50 with your speeds?

[@dillonpotts2251]

Have you tried Rogue ST Triple Diamond LS or LD?

[@tjallisongolf]

Another great video. 👍

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

Thanks, TJ!

[@Reffitt2]

I absolutely love the way you explain and break down everything. That was hands down the best explanation of how to use ground force that I've ever heard. 👏 Great content, man! I have a question but it's not about the swing. Are spiked or spikeless golf shoes better in your opinion? Or does it just depend on course conditions? I have always worn spikes but I really like the idea of not having to change shoes before and after the round. Does that just make me lazy?! Haha!

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

I usually use spikeless on mats and spikes on course

[@Reffitt2]

@@MartinBorgmeierLD Honestly didn't expect a reply my friend, and especially so quickly! Thanks and you might have just become my favorite new channel on KZbin! 😁 Seriously great content though, man. How long ago did you start creating content for KZbin because I'm confused as to why you don't have many, many more subscribers? Keep it up and I promise you'll grow larger than you ever thought possible!

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

I just started about a month ago

[@Reffitt2]

@@MartinBorgmeierLD Keep up the amazing content! It's seriously entertaining and more informative than any other creator out there!

[@roccobergemann4726]

Noch ein Tipp: ixh würde an deiner Stelle nicht so offen zeigen wo genau du trainierst. Sonst stehen dir irgendwann die ganze Zeit läute vor der tür. Das ist am Anfang vielleicht ganz lustig aber auf dauer wird dich das wahnsinnig machen

[@Boston33celtics]

Get your hands on a Mevo+ (I’m sure Bryson can get the hookup 😎) to show comparison as us lowly speed chasers can’t get on a TrackMan or GC Quad.

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

I don‘t think it‘s fair to bring a non-performance device into play

[@Boston33celtics]

@@MartinBorgmeierLD which numbers would you say are useful when using it for my own speed practice? Seems like you’re saying I wasted some good money 💰 😐

[@Mark260871]

Have you ever compared the Mevo plus against GC Quad?

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

yes

[@djyb81]

Love your content, you’ve helped improve my ball speed tremendously. I’ve been cracking a lot of balls (Srixon Z Star XV and Bridgestone Tour B XS) on my impact screen even though ball speeds are only 160-170. What balls are most durable against the impact screen from your experience?

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

almost all balls break when you hit them over and over again. Have enough balls for your practice, so you can cycle through them

[@DavidParas]

I'm so glad you compared these because I was using a trackman over the winter and it was driving me nuts it kept saying I had under 170 ball speed and then when I left I saw I put 3 balls through the wall - so I knew for sure I was at at least 200 ball speed. I'd say for ball speed the only other accurate monitor indoors is the top tracer monitor. I felt like it was very close to the foresite - but trackman in doors for over 180 ball speed is even off for the launch angles because it's still using the ball speed to calculate the numbers... I think the biggest issue with the trackman in doors is there is not enough space for the ball to release all the way especially with higher compression balls.

[@MartinBorgmeierLD]

the issue is not the ball, it‘s the spin reading method

[@DavidParas]

@@MartinBorgmeierLD Yeah i know - I was using the LD tour ball with the metalic dots... the place where I was hitting the simulator was too close to the wall as well - I just didn't realize it was that far off from the foresite - I thought they were pretty close - maybe they are outdoors, but indoors trackman was reading 20-30MPH slower ball speed. I mean when you are breaking balls, splitting driver faces, hitting it through the wall, you know your not at 170 ball speed...

[@JimMaronGolf]

I'm sure you hit it much harder than me, but I split several balls indoor and I top out at 165

[@kourt2469]

Trackman indoors just hasn't been good experience for me. They really struggle with gear effect. You hit that toe strike that you know is hooking off the planet and gc3 catches it but trackman shows a 30 yard blocked shot to the right that keeps cutting.