NeverAfter Interview with Brennan Lee Mulligan

It's time to share one of the most fun interviews I had with Brennan ever! NeverAfter premieres this Wednesday on Dropout.tv!
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Preview How much does the cast love Brennan? Unceasingly.
1:02 - What was the inspiration for Never After?
3:25 - Will Never After still be a comedy show?
7:10 - How did you prepare to tell a horror story?
12:15 - Are 20 episode seasons the new normal?
14:50 - What new dome mechanics can we expect?
18:50 - How does it feel going back to physical minis?
21:02 - What is the world building like in Never After?
22:45 - What can you tell us about the PCs?
25:11 - How much did your players roast you?
Fan Question Time!
26:40 - 1st FQ: Tracy "how scary is Never After?"
28:20 - 2nd FQ: Abbie "what is your favorite epsode or battle?"
29:20 - 3rd FQ: Wraena "what was the most fun way you established ambience in a horror campaign?"
31:05 - 4th FQ: OffKilter "how do you check in and support your players?"
32:57 - 5th FQ: Kaitlyn Kluever "how many NPcs are planned vs. improvised?"
34:44 - 5th FQ: Kyle from Texas "was this campaign high lethality, and did the players make backup PCs?"
34:58 - 6th FQ: alex e. "did calamity inspire you to move father from comedy this season?"
37:20 - 7th FQ: Jacob "what kind of safety tools do you use?"
40:40 - 8th FQ: Mercury "on a scale from 1 to Calamity, how broken will this leave us?"
41:48 - 9th FQ: Sami "how did you balance the horror and comedy elements?"
44:50 - 10th FQ: Melissa "how did character creation work for this season?"
45:40 - 11th FQ: Dees "if you were a player, who would your character be?"
47:01 - The End
ABOUT OREN COHEN
Hi there! I'm that guy who interviewed Brennan Lee Mulligan and other DMs about your favorite Dimension 20 season. My name is Oren Cohen, and I'm a software engineer by day and a total nerd by night. I love reading fantasy books, playing video games, and indulging in TV shows and movies when not interviewing awesome people. I'm also writing a blog about various topics and enjoy talking and teaching content creation. Reach out! I love to speak with other nerds in the community!
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[@geek_peek]

Hey fam! Thanks for being here! How do you like the editing of this video? I think it turned out great thanks to my new editor Gavin! He’s a gem to work with :)

[@alexpatyababa5221]

Editing is great, thanks Gavin! Appreciate you doing this interview Oren!

[@deenam2567]

Gavin, you did really well! Also awesome to see Oren’s growth ✨

[@DarlingMissDarling]

Excellent choice in creative direction - this looked really polished! Your interview style is already at such a high level so imo this editing style really just helps showcase your talent by meeting it's quality! Not that your other content wasn't edited well... I hope I am not insulting that style! I am seemingly terrible at this, haha. 🤦🏼‍♀️ Tldr; It's great. You're great. The content's great and I am _super_ pumped for Neverafter!

[@extragarb]

I love it! It's been a little bit since I saw one of you're videos, and this one felt like you leveled up. The polish really shows in a good way!

[@abracabadass]

if Brennan thinks we wouldn't all LOVE having him jump out of the screen and ask us to roll initiative, he doesn't understand us

[@geek_peek]

Right?! 🤣🤣🤣

[@keepperspective]

My first thought as well

[@sexytinatrainconductress7791]

Me to how could we not

[@emcaco]

I am so ready for this new isekai opener. No need to get run over by a truck.

[@abagaylbuchanan3187]

literally the whole mood

[@elbruces]

Anybody who's worried Brennan can't make horror hilarious forget the one-shot where he straight up channeled H.P. Lovecraft while wearing a tiger onesie.

[@trilobite-knight7746]

Omg what one-shot was this?? I neeed

[@midnight3786]

It’s on dorkly’s channel, a cereal rpg

[@bunnywaffles1190]

@@trilobite-knight7746 It is called "We Play a BREAKFAST CEREAL RPG (w/ Brennan Lee Mulligan)". Brennan plays Tony the Tiger, channeling (in his own words) Judge Holden from Blood Meridian. It is both intensely disturbing and utterly hilarious.

[@hoodiesticks]

I don't think anyone familiar with D20 could seriously doubt that the cast could pull off this genre mashup. Nobody would hesitate to call Sophomore Year a comedy, but that doesn't mean Baron from the Baronies can't scare the sh*t out of you.

[@mathmusicandlooks]

Is the genre really a mashup, though? Fairytales were generally used as stories to children to warn them of real life dangers in a fantastical way. Don’t wander alone in the woods. Don’t trust that stranger. Don’t be prideful, etc. They very frequently end with the protagonists dying. I’d argue that fairytales *originally* count as children’s horror in genre.

[@hoodiesticks]

@@mathmusicandlooks Oh I was more referring to comedy and horror, not fairy tales and horror. It was one of the first few questions posed in the interview.

[@dragon7493]

You should not say such cruel things, Hoodie. Youer römæncë pærtnër deserves better trætment!

[@luckystiff5695]

@@hoodiesticks horror comedy is a very popular movie genre, so i don’t see how it wouldn’t work in tabletop

[@ecogeek234]

While not a horror fan, horror comedy is a top tier genre when done correctly in my opinion. If theres one group that I wouldnt hesitate with its the Intrepid heros and their "humble" GM Brennan

[@samsuperslick]

“I’m the foreigner don’t ask me” that was so so funny

[@geek_peek]

Some self humor is always fun ;)

[@dimplesofconcentration7692]

Ive been waiting for a dark session with this crew since a crown of candy. Cannot wait for wednesday

[@luisadesoveralbotelho5754]

Love that you can see Oren getting more confident throughout all these interviews!

[@geek_peek]

Hey that’s very kind of you to say! Thank you so much 🙏

[@luisadesoveralbotelho5754]

@@geek_peek of course! You're lovely to watch, and your growth only makes these more enjoyable.

[@jaycielle]

He's a really accomplished interviewer considering it's not his job - he really lets the guest get in the zone so they can share their thoughts properly, while still making sure to get both his own enthusiasm across and to get the fans' questions into the interview without it feeling like an awkward "questions from Twitter" segment - it makes the whole thing way more natural and enjoyable Oren, I have a real soft spot for great interviewers (and a real problem with bad ones) so I mean it when I say: you're impressively good at this - keep at it, I can't wait to see what you do in the future!

[@geek_peek]

@@jaycielle Thank you so much! Definitely a comment to print out for those days when impostor syndrome strikes back ;) I wholeheartedly appreciate you taking the time to comment this :)

[@jaycielle]

@@geek_peek ah I'm so happy! I always have a point halfway through a long YT comment where I think "am I spending my time well by putting this much thought and time into a comment?" and the answer is usually "nah it's a pointless argument" or something, but when that happened just now, the answer was "absolutely, this guy needs to know how good he is at this - you'd waste your time by NOT finishing this" 😂 Also apparently the reason imposter syndrome occurs is because of a breadth of understanding of the job - someone who's unqualified or unprepared will feel like it's easy because they don't understand the scope of the task, while someone who is the right person for the job will suffer that syndrome because they're aware of the full picture, the masters of that trade, and all the ways it can go right or wrong - basically, it's usually a strong sign that you ARE in the right place, doing the right thing I'd be immensely proud if you used that comment as a way to centre yourself when you feel impostor-y - I might even print out your comment so I can feel that pride when I need a boost haha!

[@MangoBirb22]

So basically what he’s saying is that this season will be halloween. Supposed to be kinda scary, will be sometimes, but all in all it’s gonna be funny

[@privatenorby]

I would honestly pay good money to have Brennan crawl out of my tv and beckon me to roll initiative like some kind of goblin XD

[@Yngvolkayno]

My first thought was of him climbing onto the table as Hob, and I was immediately on board. 😂

[@Alacrity199]

Afraid of this crew doing horror, hah! Chaos is the Dimension20 norm, the genre is secondary. Part of why we love you all.

[@tee-py3zx]

i truly cannot wait for this show to change my brain chemistry in the most twisted way

[@logoutyourbody]

Im so glad lou is committing to the voice. I figured he would turn into a real boy and have a different voice

[@geek_peek]

Interesting theory! It could be a Zac situation in Startstruck ;)

[@snazzyfeathers]

I'm so pumped for this. I love horror and dark comedy as well so this sounds right up my alley. What he said about fairy tales resonates with me as well. So many fairy tales sound whimsical and fun when we're kids, but if you look back at them as an adult they're truly twisted.

[@snazzyfeathers]

Also I will say on the horror aspect (while I love it personally) I do understand why it might not be some people's jam. A Crown of Candy wasn't really horror, but there were many moments that had me stressing at home. I trust the D20 gang though and I trust that it won't be taken too far.

[@snazzyfeathers]

Also I have to say that I knew that Brennan would be doing research for his campaigns, but the fact that he asked other players/DM's on folklore and stuff like that surprised me. It sounds like we might be getting interesting folklore and fairy tales from across different countries which sounds really fun and interesting!

[@Ashely56]

SPOILER ALERT!! Brennan saying "what an interesting question" sneakily Knowing full and well that there is at least 1 total party kill this season!

[@Prudenthermit]

😭 i appreciate that he hypes the /entire/ crew in all the interviews in such a genuine loving way ❤. Ty for being you oren ❤

[@geek_peek]

Hey thanks so much for watching! I'm so glad you're loving it! :)

[@susannewhitney3735]

Great to hear Lou is committed to the voice

[@geek_peek]

I wonder if he’ll use it even between in-character moments 🤣🤣🤣

[@kiranicole2096]

Watching this after the season is over hits so differently, particularly the question about lethality and having backup characters at the ready. I love watching Brennan sort of work through that question in his head, knowing the mechanics of this season and coming to the conclusion that there really wasn't any way to give a proper answer without spoiling it.

[@noahalexis3100]

Nice and calming interview for me who is also very sensitive to horror, so I got my hopes up to be able to watch it. And I love the aspect that the players this time have to work very hard to get information about the world from Brennan.

[@saqvobase4301]

It's always great to see you interview brennan. You come up with such good questions and transfer between them well.

[@rowanusitalo952]

"I can not fault you for your observations" I Am More Scared Now Mr. Mulligan

[@Rayne_Storms]

This guy. Acting like we're being silly for thinking it might be too scary. Mr. I-Wright-Your-Nightmares Mulligan. Ok, sir. 🤣

[@jaxsondenton8252]

This is gonna be a season of Baron from the Baronies and Asmodeus from Exandria’s Calamity. And I can’t wait

[@itsnochi9447]

@@jaxsondenton8252 flashbacks to the teaser during siobhans character as hes like your choking on a fucking briarvine. im way too excited for this show

[@RobearRich]

I think the combination of horror and comedy is genius. Movies like Shawn of the Dead help blend the two genres in fantastic ways and I can't wait to see what Brennan does with it. I also love the idea of a horror/fairy tale campaign. I ran a Feywild one shot based on Hansel and Gretel that had a lot of horror elements thrown in. Done right, these genres make a very eerie tone that should be amazing. If he leans into it, the show could have a Witcherish feel where different monsters have specific weaknesses that you can only discover by understanding the folklore etc. Really looking forward to binging this eventually.

[@theyxaj]

Fearnot is the Brennan-est answer I've ever heard.

[@mirandaranda]

Brennan just doing that quick math about 40 hours made me gremlin level excited 😂 so looking forward to this season!

[@StrawberryCrush2000]

This has been the longest month of my life I'm so excited

[@BouncingTribbles]

It's funny how many people don't know how dark the average comedian is. The average comedian is trying to bring laughs to a world that they KNOW desperately NEEDS to laugh

[@sidoniegabrielle269]

the idea that a scary fairy tales theme wouldn’t be comedic is wild to me. syd and olivia podcast did a great episode where they read two old fairy tales and then wrote their own and honestly. absolutely hilarious. there’s so much comedians can do with a good grimm style fairy tale story. and horror - read one plot summary of a horror franchise sequel. there’s so much ludicrously goofy shit in those. also, if someone can make me cry about a chocolate bunny killed for heresy they can make a fear themed story make me laugh. excited to see the season, and to see the rest of this interview! i paused to type but dang this comment section is rave reviews i’m happy to have run into this channel

[@geek_peek]

Welcome aboard! :)

[@lolafendetti970]

Hell yeah! This season is coming out two days after my birthday so I joke that it's Dimension 20's present to me :)

[@StrawberryCrush2000]

happy birthday bro

[@worsado2132]

happy birthday!

[@shealupkes]

this did not convince me brennan won't actually jump out of my screen and attack me, not dropping my guard that easy

[@smarshall4733]

you're the best, Oren!

[@geek_peek]

No, you are!

[@brechtian802]

Glad to see my question asked! And even better to get such a mysterious answer. Devious little Brennan.

[@trilobite-knight7746]

So exciting about the longer seasons!

[@Jay-pj5tg]

I'm just finishing starstruck for the first time 😍😭😭 sooo excited for this

[@sylvan44]

leaving out nightly almond cookies for nightmare Ring monster Brennan so that when he Comes, he eats the cookies and becomes my friend

[@MythMaster4r]

It's cool to come back to this interview after the Finale. Especially Brennan's response to the Lethality question lol!

[@ogzombiebreakfast]

I'm so fucking hyped for tomorrow

[@geek_peek]

Saaaaammeee!!! ❤️

[@wheatgrowssweet]

This interview has me super hyped!

[@mxspokes]

Horror and Comedy are often the same genre, flipped to a different angle. The same thing that makes good horror good are things that comedians and comedic actors do on a regular basis to land humor. If you picture a horror movie, each of those points where the thing is hinted at or whatever are leading to the punchline...

[@Benisuber1]

I was hoping you'd ask where Biggityburg was located in this world!

[@geek_peek]

Different universe my friend ;)

[@jamiemiller1040]

Wait no why does Brenna look so good…

[@geek_peek]

Because it’s finally not a zoom call recording 🤣🤣🤣

[@anna_young]

Ohhh shit I cant wait to watch this tomorrow morning!!

[@jamiemiller1040]

I LITERALLY CAN NOT WAIT

[@bagyd8894]

Such a good interview!!!

[@Rzepcl]

YAY Oren thank you for always bringing us such great interviews, I'm so hyped to watch Neverafter!

[@geek_peek]

Thank you, Christina! That makes me very happy :)

[@DharmaDerelict]

Having a 50 min interview with the title “is it too scary” made me think Never After was out already. ☹️

[@geek_peek]

I’m sorry bud. You have less than 48 hours to go though! :)

[@colinwalker436]

Great interview. Can't wait to binge this season.

[@sporksabre]

On Brennans games it would be exactly Brennan saying "This is serioussssss"

[@linked1836]

Another amazing interview!!! Looking forward to this season :D

[@sexytinatrainconductress7791]

Awesome interview

[@jamesodwyer4181]

I just finished bingeing Crown of Candy recently, and I am incredibly excited for this season. Thanks for the interview!

[@geek_peek]

Quite the jump from a stressful season like that to a horror season. Are you sure you don’t wanna dip into Misfits and Magic first? You have a couple of days 🤣

[@jamesodwyer4181]

@@geek_peek Way ahead of you, guvnor. Recently binged that AND Court of Fey and Flowers as well. I'll save Starstruck for after NeverAfter =p

[@geek_peek]

Awesome!!! Good job my friend :)

[@mathiasjrs2878]

@@jamesodwyer4181 Starstruck is the funniest season so far. You should be very excited for that one

[@mattandcats746]

It’s been so cool watching your interview skills getting better, video and audio quality increasing, and just looking more confident. Bravo!

[@geek_peek]

Thank you so much! There’s always room for improvement but it’s also good to appreciate how far we’ve come! Thank you for being here! :)

[@yoroshiku137]

Thanks for the video interview! That was very informative an I can't wait to watch this.

[@jamespryor5967]

Such a good interview.

[@seeker296]

Great interview

[@izzyw2089]

The mug told me to get in the comments so here I am, thanks so much for this Oren and Brennan!

[@skydoesminecraftkid]

Coming after watching the entire series for the Neverafter, this interview is so enjoyable to rewatch. I hope you do a post interview about the reactions and some behind the scenes with Brennan or even some of the intrepid heroes. Love the interviews as always and will continue to watch.

[@nooneyouknow7093]

This has made me so excited!! I did however miss the “roll for spoilers” section haha

[@geek_peek]

I did almost ask if I should roll for some extra details about the worldbuilding of NeverAfter but something about the way Brennan explained it made me think it was better left unspoiled :)

[@JakobHG]

Fantastic video as always

[@geek_peek]

Thank you my friend! :)

[@russellewelchiii]

As always Oren you nail it. 👏🏻🦊

[@geek_peek]

Thank you so much, my friend! :)

[@kalianaeliart6758]

Thank you 💕

[@caverleedahill8099]

so cool!!

[@joshuadoyle1953]

Incredible interview as usual Oren! Somehow I’m even more excited for this season than I thought possible!

[@geek_peek]

Thanks so much, Joshua! 🙏

[@crunchymcgee6929]

TWO MORE DAYS WOOOOOO

[@sporksabre]

I can't wait to see Brennans take on fairytale horror!

[@HonorableCnut]

Just found your channel thanks to this Brennan interview. Love your content and of course gotta love Brennan!

[@geek_peek]

Welcome, Coltan! I’m glad you’re here! :)

[@thenahpocalypse5576]

ahhhhh I'm so excited to watch this

[@geek_peek]

Well? How was it?! 😆

[@thenahpocalypse5576]

@@geek_peek 10/10 it was the best 50 minutes of my day honestly

[@geek_peek]

@@thenahpocalypse5576 I'm SO HAPPY to hear that!!! :)

[@ghostlygolow1083]

The ink is so ominous I’m so excited!!!!

[@Skaos87]

I'm so looking forward to this season :)! Already was sure is was supposed to come out Nov 1st...but I was wrong n it sucked. but yay, one more day :)!

[@zachhill2831]

The way you describe Never After reminds me a TellTale Games videogame called Wolf Among Us. I definitely wanna check it out.

[@TaberIV]

Anyone interested in a Fairytale-Horror setting should check out Dolmenwood, a campaign setting for Old-School Essentials (Kickstarter coming early next year).

[@morganaevenstar6220]

LOVE the N7 shirt, Oren!!!

[@geek_peek]

Yes!!! Someone noticed! Thank you, commander ❤️

[@Ginea25]

I got a Dropout subscription but have been too scared to try the rpg stuff they have on offer. Your show is helping me sample and see what I'd like before I commit. Toda, achi!

[@geek_peek]

Thank you so much Achi ;)

[@SvenTSexgore]

Remember to keep a bowl of almonds by your screen to placate the Ring Brennan so they might spare you.

[@commonviewer2488]

A little boy who doesn't feel fear? A Halfling!

[@devin-mh2fj]

Bearded Brennan is my favorite flavor of Brennan

[@geek_peek]

Same! So happy I grew my beard too 🤣

[@alexxpanda6412]

I love the D20 crew doing horror! This is a great new step. Also I had no doubt Brennan could pull it off from watching the calamity game on critical role, he is amazing and the og cast!!! Can't wait for Wednesday

[@MrPoppybob]

Oren, This is the first video of yours that "the algorithm" has blessed me with. What a great interview! Great work, and of course Brennan is always a treat to hear from. Liked, and sub'd keep it up!

[@geek_peek]

Thank you so much! I'm glad you're here :)

[@elbr3376]

Can we talk abt how good of an interviewer Oren is here. Perfectly respectful just asks the questions and hits with good, meaningful follow up questions. He knows what he’s doing in these interviews

[@geek_peek]

Thanks so much! I appreciate that a lot :)

[@u-mos8820]

It's like how a remake should be, going back on unexplored works and doing new and interesting things with relatable subject matter.

[@anix8047]

I love these videos! It would be awesome if you could consider providing subtitles to make them more accessible.

[@geek_peek]

It’s on my to-do list :)

[@geek_peek]

Circling back to say the subtitles have been added! Let me know if you have any issues seeing them :)

[@RIPvizzini]

Dang it why I watch this tonight!!!!!! Now I'm too excited to sleep lol

[@geek_peek]

I hope you get some sleep! Be ready for the premiere! ❤️

[@luisvalenzuela9967]

[@Alicehad3cats]

I think it would be really amazing if you prepared or thought of some follow up questions for your main question. Right now interview feels very disconnected and Brennan’s responses end kind of abruptly with you just saying “okay”. Otherwise, great job as always! Love these interviews do much:)

[@geek_peek]

Thanks for the feedback. I’m not an expert interviewer but I try to improve the flow and my ability to break the language barrier. Thanks for watching :)

[@stacyflynn2794]

Brennen try bone conduction headphones for player sound. They let you hear without cutting out the voices around you

[@StrawberryCrush2000]

35:00 god damnit brennan

[@keepperspective]

Jim Henson’s storyteller is SO BRILLIANT

[@kaviweaver5152]

Is it just me or does The Never After sound like it might be a cousin of the yorb of which we do not speak

[@geek_peek]

Love the theory. Maybe one day we’ll get a season which is not a sequel or a spin-off but happens in the same dimension as another season :)

[@pac9001]

About the question "Does NeverAfter will be too scary ?"... Honestly, it's still very fun and scary at moment but... it's the one that made me pay for the dropout shit ! Before that, I've just look "Escape from the blood thing" and "Fantasy High", I don't know why this take got me so much.

[@CupUhhJo]

I can’t wait for Lou as Pinocchio

[@geek_peek]

Same ❤️

[@silas777777]

The look on Brennan's face after the question about the lethality of this season... Oh my sweet summer child.

[@geek_peek]

I can't wait for the adventuring party post-finale XD

[@artuaz12321]

מלך, ראיון נהדר!! מאחל לך לראיין את מת'יו מרסר בעתיד ואת שאר הקאסט של d20 או Critical Role

[@geek_peek]

תודה רבה יא אח! :)

[@violet6450]

Hey Oren! Great interview as always! What software do you use to record this interviews? Are the calls made by zoom?

[@geek_peek]

I use Riverside.FM! They’re great and I have subscribed to them annually :) There’s a link to them in the description of the video if you want to also support me without any extra cost to you if you decide to subscribe to them :)

[@Rhiro]

Hey Oren! Is there a chance you got an interview Brennan about Worlds Beyond Number? I am particuliarly interested in the behind the scenes stuff and how manages that & Dimension 20 and why he decided to branch out.

[@geek_peek]

Not yet but if you asked I’ll reveal I sent him an email JUST YESTERDAY! 😆 if an interview is an option, you’ll know about it soon in my discord or also in the community tab here on KZbin 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼

[@Rhiro]

@@geek_peek Thanks for the quick reply!

[@royjaskowski905]

Hook the players up with bone conducting speakers for ambient sound effects only they can hear.

[@toddholt9362]

Does anyone else want a Dimension 20 superhero show now?

[@TK-_-GZ]

Algorithmic punch

[@MotiviqueStudio]

Well. Fairy tales are often horrifying.

[@ameliabedeliadumaurier]

What does it say about my psyche that I find Baron from the Baronies hilarious?

[@geek_peek]

IMHO it means you are resilient and don’t scare easily. Is that true?

[@ameliabedeliadumaurier]

@@geek_peek It does take a lot to scare me, but to be fair I'm really easily startled. (loved your interview btw, good work!)

[@geek_peek]

Thanks so much, Whitney! Appreciate you :)

[@centerfield6339]

I can imagine finishing a job interview, the universe suddenly pausing, and hearing "Um...I'm going to need you to roll for damage with disadvantage."

[@floobdedoop2892]

So, I think I see a little crystal ball on that bookcase and I'm suuure Brennan already knows the safety precautions for those but, on the off chance anyone reads this, be VERY FUCKING mindful of where those sit - if the sun catches them right, they become a magnifying lens and burn your house down. 🔮=🔍=🔥🏠🔥 Oh, also, fantastic interview as always :)

[@geek_peek]

Thank you! Appreciate that ❤️