NEW 2023 Mizuno RB Tour & Tour X vs PRO V1

Mizuno RB Tour and Tour X 2023 In Depth Ball Review where we look at look, feel and performance of the new Ball. Not only that though but we put it up against the old version it replaces to see what the differences are. Also it wouldn't be right unless you put them up against the Gold standard ball..... The Pro V1.
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[@mizunogolf1906]

As always in-depth Jay. We're under no illusion that we'll be challenging Titleist on sales numbers anytime soon. To start with, we needed to get the performance right - now we'll start working with our younger elite players, who are less set in their ways, to work towards usage on tour. For now, the RB Tour is a serious option for anyone prepared to try a slightly less-than-obvious alternative.

[@AskGolfNut]

Thanks as always for the input 👍 for sure getting it in the bags of tour players will be a big motivator for people to see the RB Tour/X as a serious alternative to the Pro V, of which it now certainly is. Another will be the need to work with retailers so they know exactly how the new ball differs to the old and the clear benefits of adopting the new. Working with them will certainly influence the club golfers next buying choice. Sometimes I feel that retailers just go with what they have known in the past without really knowing the changes that new models being and the obvious advantages to the golfer. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍

[@mizunogolf1906]

@@AskGolfNut Asking players and retailers to change habits from a trusted and proven product is definitely a marathon rather than a sprint.

[@tigertim9232]

@@mizunogolf1906 has the compression number been disclosed for the new balls? Just says MID or FIRM on website. Bridgestone Tour B RXS is mid 60s Titleist Pro V1 is mid 80s Source : MyGolfSpy Ball lab articles. Where do the new Mizuno balls sit? Roughly number wise? I'm looking to find something to compete with Tour B RXS and hoping RB Tour will be an option. I'm hoping it's compression is lower than prov1. Personally I have always found it to be a bit firm.

[@julianrime8544]

I've just picked some up, just since they're similar in performance to a pro v (with a little less spin) and about a dollar a ball cheaper than the Titleist.

[@lawrencebogar6136]

I have played the Pro V1X for years. I have moved to the RB tour X. The only difference is the softer ball that I like. AlsoI had to adjust my chipping because the Tour X grips and stops on a dime. Now I chip to the pin. Just don't screw up with the price point.

[@barryhill6482]

Dude, your the first pro on the tube I’ve seen hole it out! Congrats,

[@AskGolfNut]

Thanks Barry, I wish it happened more often 😊

[@hammer_doc]

Great comprehensive video!! Super well put together. Loved the scatterplots

[@AskGolfNut]

When there is a lot of comparative data, its really the only way to do it. Really glad you liked the content 👍

[@deanbowditch7329]

Great content as always Jay. If Mizuno puts a price tag of $39.99 a dozen on these balls i think alot of good golfers would buy these easily. Including me. Im a 7 handicap and a pro v1 guy but trust me i would try these and if they perform i would make the switch and save some cash.....

[@AskGolfNut]

It'll be interesting to see what they put them at, I hope they they slightly undercut the Pro V1 but I guess we'll have to wait and see. Still worth a sleeve of each for a good test though 👍

[@jporter504]

Very informative.

[@AskGolfNut]

Glad you liked it 👍

[@jherl8307]

Yeah. Played a round in Florida today 85 degrees (Punish me some more please) with the Missy RB Tour 2023 version. It was a giveaway from the golf shop that I purchased my clubs from. And yeah all went well. Felt a bit hard like my normal ball ProV1x. Great off the driver. Very good off long mid-irons and it holds its own around the green. Ball was virtually unmarked at the end. Like Jason here says if it is marked down say 10 dollars from the 50 dollar per dozen price tag of the ProV1 then this Mizuno RB Tour will be my new gamer. Disclaimer: I’m just an 80 shooter so elite players may drill down and find some differences but for me I discern that there is little to no difference between the Missy ball and the Titleist ball.

[@FrugalFixerSpike]

Best thing you have taught me so far! “Strike is King” Jay! Since putting in my sim and being a Mizuno Dad, your content is a great help. I have those and the also 566 v and s now. At my old dude swing speed, the 566 ones are much better for me. I can hit it at 80 mph naturally. Putting them in the hole must happen a lot! I still get real excited, they heard me all the way in the house, lol😊

[@3o1Golf]

Great video :) Love the editing ;)

[@kevinhayes1975]

Great commercial point.. they will need to offer a big incentive to move pro v golfers

[@AskGolfNut]

All companies are fighting for market share. Unfortunately generally for manufacturers it's very difficult to change people's voting decisions and so price is always a good motivator, but it also can go the other way with golfers thinking its less than what it is due to the lower price tag associated with it. Sometime companies have been known to market an inferior product but at a high price point to convince people that it must be the best as it's the most expensive. It'll be interesting to see what the ball retails at. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍

[@kevinhayes1975]

@@AskGolfNut was thinking the exact same myself.. in such a busy market with some dominant manufacturers it’s hard to know what the correct marketing strategy is.. why switch to Mizuno? if it’s really on par quality and performance wise with the pro v it still may be as basic or as crude as having to get some top pros on the payroll.. the big positive thing that Mizuno has as a brand is trust.. I think that all manufacturers may be close to or at the legal limits with their golf tech with the exception of the ball which still varies hugely in quality and performance across suppliers and their ranges..

[@markcrowell2727]

I play Mizuno irons and driver, and I just bought my first dozen of the '23 RB Tour. I LOVE THEM. They seem to explode off the clubface and are more accurate with my driver. The price point is excellent at $43/dozen compared to the ProV1. Let's see how they play during an entire summer. Great review.

[@gards17]

Awesome review, thanks mate

[@seanconlon182]

This was a brilliant review. I'll be picking some up to test against seed 01 and prov1.

[@johnnyhershberger6294]

Awesome video! Thanks! Golf ball in my opinion is the most important piece of equipment in my game! Nice to see Mizuno competing in this sector. I’ll have to give them a go! Have you tried the new Callaway golf ball line up yet?

[@stevewimmer9758]

Great review! I recently purchased 3 dozen of the new Pro V1 but when they're gone I will definitely buy a box of the new Mizuno RB Tour

[@AskGolfNut]

I've just beaten the living daylights out of a RB Tour doing this test and the shine has been taken off the cover but apart from that relatively unscathed 👍👍

[@davidfellows4589]

Another great educational vid - you’re a content machine! Casual hole out 😂. I play a Pro V1 and would consider moving to the RB Tour, as you say would need to be in the £35 for 12 to make the leap. I’m a Mizuno brand lover (Driver / Irons / Wedges) so why not ball too 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@danielcohen3159]

Great review, Jay!

[@rmiller1041]

This is probably the most in depth ball test I’ve seen. Very nice. Confirms that I will have no issues with the new Mizuno balls! Probably will go with the x model strictly since I prefer the feel of higher compression balls with the putter and chipping.

[@alanstanley155]

Great review.

[@adamvlassis4090]

How do you hole one out and barely celebrate?

[@AskGolfNut]

Hi Adam, I'd go out of camera shot if I ran too far from my spot 😀

[@jbulick]

Great vid, absolutely the best ball review I've seen yet, from anyone. Now if I could just tempt you to do one on Srixon balls. I'm currently gaming the Bridgestone XS, but testing, and leaning, towards switching to the Diamond. Now I may need to test the Tour X. You may have mentioned it, and I missed it, but not sure when they go on sale in the UK. In US, they are selling for $7/dz less than the ProV, $42.99 vs $49.99.

[@randymahony8157]

Good video I think I'll give it a go cause I'm spinning the prov1x left -, too much with mid irons.

[@AskGolfNut]

Definitely give the RB Tour a go, it's the softer feeling one of the two which if different to that of the V1X, heck give both a try 😊

[@tomsledge3319]

Any chance you could do a review on the RB Max?

[@mikecooper2797]

Great video and review. I play with both the rb tour and tour x. Both great balls, so it was great to see the difference between them both plus against the pro v 1. 👍

[@ChasinAcesGolf-rt8do]

Thanks for the in depth video. Is there a way visually to tell the difference between the new vs old RBX Tour and the new vs old RBX Tour X balls?

[@AskGolfNut]

The best way to tell the difference between the two is the dimple pattern. The newer lower spin ball has larger and fewer dimples than the older smaller and greater numbered dimple ball. For the slower swinging golfer the older ball can actually be a better fit 👍🏻

[@banditbaker1675]

Thanks Jay, you must be exhausted after hitting all those balls. For me to try them out there would need to be a cost-saving and they would need to be on the shelf. If I'm saving £$10 then I'd be tempted to try them out, but they have to be in the Pro-shop/ Outlet store, otherwise, I'm just going to revert to my regular ball of choice.

[@AskGolfNut]

Very true. For any manufacturer to tempt a golfer away from their current choice of anything, generally they have to provide either a cost saving, a performance increase or a superior brand awareness. The ball market, especially the premium ball market is a tough one as the Pro V has been the market leader in tour, well a lot has to do with monies changing hands to influence the golfing public but still its hard to get away from the dominance of the Pro V. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍

[@banditbaker1675]

@@AskGolfNut My pleasure Jay, thanks for all of your informative testing 👍👍 I need something to pass the time whilst it's so damned cold outside. Its -7degsC in the Black Pudding triangle (Bolton, Bury & N Manchester) this morning😢😢

[@AskGolfNut]

Build your own sim room...... Its polo top weather even in - 7 degrees 😊

[@banditbaker1675]

@@AskGolfNut sadly not an option, so I am content to watch others bash away on my behalf👍👍

[@nd19ama]

Jay, I feel you will answer this question honestly, but is it not pointless doing a ball compare on GCQuad? Yes, you can get very accurate launch, ball speed and spin numbers, but any data about how it flies in the air is purely based off the Quad’s algorithms, hence why more often than not, the balls are very very close?

[@AskGolfNut]

Hi there, thanks for the honesty vote 👍 I very much am 👍 So to answer you question, the Foresight algorithm has been honed over time to be a basic identical capture of what aerodynamic flight would be. It is that good now it is matched by the recorded dopler flight of trackman. Only sometimes are there interesting reads on very low spin high launch drives and also when artificial conditions are set on the simulator. Bare like for like is spot on to real life so you can critique the small, differences using GCQuad and Trackman, the only benefit from Quad is that it's much more reliable for indoor use and also it directly measures club head dynamics to then use to compare any flight differences from the product against head delivery 👍

[@nd19ama]

@@AskGolfNut I guess I didn’t word my question the best. I guess what I’m trying to get at is, does GCQuad generalise the aerodynamic properties of balls? Too often when TXG overlay the averages of 2 balls they are almost identical being no more than 0.5 in the launch angle and 500rpm in the revs, and the ball flights being identical. I wish I could share some screenshots to help my point. I’m not saying what Quad produces isn’t correct but seems too general when balls designed to be different, appear very similar

[@AskGolfNut]

Andrew, good food for thought there. I will digest that a bit and speak to a few people to work out some ideas for a considered answer 👍

[@AskGolfNut]

Hi Andrew, I have been considering your very good points in further detail. I'm about to do a video I think on the response and continued understanding. On the physical ball front the actual launch characteristics between all types of ball be it compression all thd way to core count and construction seem to give actually very close launch properties (within a relatively small amount which does coincide with other detailed channels analysis). What seems go be the undecided factor is the aerodynamics side of the flight equation and how much dimple pattern and design have between the most aggressive one way and the other on flight. From what I have been able to piece together so far that the trajectory differences between balls have half on initial launch characteristics and the other with polar opposite dimple design. So worse case scenario you could get a ball with the lowest possible launch characteristics and also the lowest possible flight characteristics, leading to the lowest possible trajectory change within the spectrum. However as it seems all balls are a mix of launch characteristics and couple with mix flight characteristics, finding balls with distinct lowest and highest possibilities would prohibit functional use by most of the golfing world and hence not worth manufacturing. This is the information I have gleamed so far from multiple sources. So that the Quad that takes an average aerodynamic flight algorithm, wouldn't be far of at all from real life changes, when flight characteristics are coupled with changing launch conditions to produce the best performing ball possible. I guess its like in motor racing that everyone has slightly different ideas of how to make a car go fast so they all do things in a slightly different way but have a very similar affect, no manufacturer would consciously make a slow race car by knowingly creating the worst of worst worlds so to speak 😊 Thank you so much for your initial thoughts, it's discussion like that which drives better understanding for all 👍

[@petegalindez9961]

Great review! With that logo, they are sexiest balls on the planet, bar none! I’ll be gaming them…FWIW, the ProV1 graphs need a different color…can’t really see the yellow dots. And no need to keep apologizing for slight misses left and right…not even the pros hit it solid every shot…and it’s good to see how the ball reacts on mishits as most of us watching aren’t hitting the center nearly as much as you! So, leave those shots in.

[@derh50]

Mizuno would have difficulty pricing at €10 less than ProV1 as doesn’t align with their pricing strategy and market positioning across other product lines. Titleist market positioning is consistent across clubs, footwear, etc.

[@sloswingspeed9535]

Jay…your Mizuno apparel is far more attractive than Miz US apparel offerings. Also you can get Miz golf shoes in the UK, not so US …😢

[@AskGolfNut]

Dam shame as they are pretty good 😊

[@clairepearton601]

You are like a surgeon 😮

[@AskGolfNut]

Would probably like the pay cheque of a surgeon 😊 fingers crossed that's a compliment 😁

[@johngoble9718]

Just casually holes it out lol

[@Gatorgolfusa]

Recently purchased the Tour X and from what I've been seeing I'm excited to try these out! 🐊🏌🦅🇺🇲👍