NEW 2023 SRAM Force AXS Groupset | What's New? | Ridden & Explained

[@pin0teres]

If SRAM would start making cycling socks these would end up integrated with a shoe.

[@rahuldasmajumder5121]

Best comment so far😂

[@ellipticalsoul]

Socks worn out? I'm afraid you're going to need to amputate your foot

[@kidsafe]

Giro already did this.

[@chrispyy606060606]

😂

[@davychristiaens6421]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@atakdd]

Less than 1% of all red axs chainrings actually were sent back to sram for replacing; the chainrings are extremely, extremely durable. I think everyone is freaking out about something they will not only never wear down enough to need replacing, but they will most likely sell the bike before the rings need replacing.

[@pilikiosuafoa1727]

Where did you get this number from???

[@atakdd]

@@pilikiosuafoa1727 number sram provided GCN, watch GCN’s vid on the release

[@jaspreetsidhu5708]

​@@pilikiosuafoa1727 I think sram gave this number. I'm not 100 percent sure I trust their number. But I have red. I've put over 10,000km on a chain and had minimal wear (waxed and cleaned) I've gone through a few chains and my rings are fine.

[@FT__Bicycling_____-sc7yv]

I've heard the chainring lifetime is generally around 40,000 km, give or take. IMO.. I don't want to replace a PM every 40,000km. So I won't buy a direct-mount crank

[@weiwenng8096]

At 5:12, you said SRAM said to replace the chain at 0.8mm of wear. Did you mean 0.8%? And isn’t the standard to replace at 0.5% for 11s and higher?

[@michaelcawley7400]

The power meter can be traded in with quarq for 50% off a new one and they recycle the old one

[@FT__Bicycling_____-sc7yv]

still doesn't make any sense if the old pm still works ok

[@JoshuaTootell]

I just want a nice mechanical system.

[@TheBassallyear100]

good to see that SRAM took all those complaints about the Red AXS power meter waste in stride and doubled down on it. ugh.

[@tiiimmmaaayyyy3616]

Throwing the power meter out with the chainrings? Who had that brainwave?! The bike industry is farcical.

[@brianwendy727]

What model is your zipp handlebar?

[@fragmaster5555]

what were they thinking?! No way I would select this over Ultegra DI2. Thanks, maybe. You just made the choice pretty easy for me.

[@nerdhoy]

Heck I'd rather choose 105 di2 over this pile of s**t, at least the front mech actually works reliably. The only saving grace for Sram road groupsets now is 1x.

[@nl_2652]

Another vote for 105 from me 🤙

[@craigstephenmcdonald9915]

Love it just purchased a giant revolt 0 with it on. My first electrical group set and disk brake bike. There will always be companies that will make alternative components to replace original ones.

[@BillVerdon]

I am seriously considering a new bike with this groupset.. given that I bet I won't need to replace the front chainrings within 7 or 8 years of use if I keep the drivetrain clean. My concern is th r cost of replacement SRAM chain and cassettes.... those prices seem outrageous

[@uaproman]

And what about th weigh?)

[@DCassidy42]

Looking forward to the sram axs shoes where you just throw them in the trash when the cleats wear out.

[@kestralrider313]

Personally, I would prefer the better chainrings for the same price, and SRAM is offering these stiffer and lighter CRs for the same price. It would have been helpful if you mentioned that any owner is not really locked into replacing with quark/CR combos as shown. 1) They added the in-spindle power meter option that was available in the rival group, and 2) these cranks are still compatible with the still available quark spider that takes separate CRs. I hate waste, and we all should, but "the man" at SRAM isn't really forcing us to use this default CR setup. Let's be honest, for most of us, we will never wear out this CR set before it wears out.

[@vincegarcia8143]

A huge advantage with the Sram setup is it's wireless feature. I have a Cervelo TT bike (P3) with a mechanical Ultegra group-set and rim brakes. It is currently being upgraded with the new force group-set. With the wireless blips I'll be able to change gears from the break levers and aerobar positions. All without needing to change the rim brake setup.

[@davidnicholson6680]

The $500 chainring replacement is a complete deal killer. There is no way I'd buy this group. People: do not buy this, SRAM needs to revert

[@purpleaki7135]

When a groupset costs more than my bike I tune out.

[@FuzzFace]

The real takeaway - use wax for the entirety of your drivetrain. Chance of replacing chainring set is negligible.

[@flattrack33]

Im a SRAM fanboy but the integrated powermeter is not cool.

[@d.lauricks3016]

That whole chainring whining is bs. I keep my chain clean and have put 20000miles over 2 years on one set of chainrings no problem. And I mean no extra noise let alone slippage. So now you go and do the math on how long that would last you!

[@bebopman5]

Yeah, I agree. My main gripe is that if you want to ever wanted to change ratios, you’d either have to buy a whole new power meter combo or experiment with a different cassette. But I think the chainring wear anxiety is a bit overblown

[@ricksvic6062]

I agree. Keeping your drivechain clean is just good practice

[@pilikiosuafoa1727]

And Shimano keeps winning... Smh SRAM need to step up their game.

[@johntrussell7228]

Debating if the graphics on the groupset are "practical" or not is such a dumb thing to say. It looks amazing and the groupset is fantastic.

[@mrrodriguezHLP]

Just checked Merlin: Ultegra di2 12 speed disc is running at $2079, rim brake version is $1645. More importantly, 105 di2 disc 12 speed is $1353! They’re all in stock, complete sets! I feel sram makes you buy their groupset piecemeal, it would not be a pleasant buying experience.

[@justsomedude7556]

I recently upgrade a rim brake to a SRAM Force AXS , I guess now first gen, and got the drive train as a kit. The only thing that came separate was the crank, due to the variations available and the cassette, again, due to the variations available. It works fantastic, I did not have to change out my rim brakes, so I still have my Shimano rim brakes on it. Shimano does not offer a di2 version for Rim brake. System was a flawless setup, took about 25 mins to completed including running new brake cables.

[@weiwenng8096]

By the way, I assume that they aren’t releasing a rim brake version. Boo.

[@justsomedude7556]

the whining on the micro-seconds of shift time from the front mech is such a first world problem......

[@tony5269]

Boy am I glad I have the Force before this one. I have power meter. So when my rings wear out don’t have to empty my wallet having to buy all one piece just have to New rings 😁

[@sangchuw]

Nee propel? For 2024?

[@rhysmainwaring396]

That integrated power meter into the chainrings is a bad design, especially from an environmental perspective

[@PedroPrego]

You should have focussed instead on that lovely bike in the background!!

[@expmomentum4092]

wth! stupid expensive design!

[@cosinus_square]

Just use the old non integrated crankset, the new crankset is not better looking by any means

[@n.h2786]

I've been riding Shimano mechanical for a long time. All my 6 bikes are fitted with Shimano. Now I'm in the market to switch to an electronic groupset. I'm a bit disappointed with Ultegra Di2. It doesn't offer various options for more gear unless you dropped down to 105. And the idea of getting plugged and unplugged cable every time I'm traveling is not very appealing to me. Over time, the plug will get loose. SRAM Force AXS is very appealing now. It gives a lot of options. I can use 10-36 with 43-30 and still in the level of Force. Not Rival. I'm not really concerned about the one-piece chainring. So far I've been riding so many miles and have not yet "changed my chain ring." Maybe for some yes, but for the majority of mortal riders like me, it would long time before I will need to change it. And by that time it's already paid off anyway. The media makes it so big a deal about the one-piece chain ring. In reality, the majority of the riders aren't pro/amateur riders. And those people have money to buy it, so let them moan about one-piece chainring.

[@joanofarc3319]

So now the SRAM powermeter is throwaway and the Shimano ones are garbage... What

[@neilrobinson7965]

I’d take mechanical 105 over this groupset every time.

[@neil4701]

Really, really ugly. And what is the actual weight?? Since you don't even discuss it, I assume there isn't a rim brake option, so it's all academic in any case. And why does it cost about twice as much as a 2nd tier groupset cost about five years ago? I'll stick with my 8-year-old Campagnolo Super Record EPS, thank-you-very-much... It's really a joke how bikes and bike components keep getting worse and more expensive at the same time.

[@HoshinoMirai]

WTF??? The power meter integration is absolutely ridiculous. I thought Shimano was evil by shipping a bad power meter, but this is a step beyond that.

[@ricksvic6062]

Another unimaginitive carbon copy review. This groupset looks awesome and by the reviewers admission it performs faultlessly. Trying to convince people you can feel milliseconds in shifting performance makes me question the integrity of your content

[@mezzo_soprano]

Looks gorgeous to me! 😍😍😍 Ultegra chain drop and crank issue sucks bigtime.

[@lordalfa600]

You need to change your mechanic to tune the Di2 FD.

[@apair4002]

Never saw any 12s ultegra crank issue. No doubt about 11s disbonded crank issue. My ultegra mech work flawlessly, your tune sucks.

[@sleepdeprived9181]

Ultegra is freaking smooth compared to SRAM Force or Rival. According to my go to LBS, only the Sram Red is on par with Shimano in terms of smoothness of shifting.

[@o-pestpro]

Nahh. AXS works for me than DI2. Not going back to DI2. I prefer how AXS shifts and the flexibility it has when combined with the GX AXS.

[@apair4002]

The chainring look like china made cheap chainring.

[@Jack42Frost]

This is a remarkably ugly groupset.