NEW 6V6 FORMAT ANNOUNCED - This Changes Everything for Overwatch 2

[@boiledoden7252]

This gotta be the first samito smiling thumbnail in months 😭

[@jax1376]

😂😂

[@Virtualwhiterabbit]

I looked it’s actually been a month🤣still funny asf tho

[@Avivispring]

So funny!!

[@ilyesb95]

This man finnaly see a light of hope after all these year

[@domenicknieves7640]

Why tho lmao it's blizzards last ditch effort

[@monikanikolova4604]

😂 took em long enough

[@sandycrash8868]

There is no hope unless they bring back loot boxes

[@domenicknieves7640]

@@sandycrash8868 faxxx

[@h2woah127]

Yeah after all these year

[@jaelonsanders5878]

Man samito damn near lost his mind trying to tell ppl 6v6 was the way, to the point I was seeing memes about it in the subreddit

[@Error50505]

6v6 has always been the way since overwatch one this is nothing new, samito and hundreds of thousands of players have the same opinion.

[@austinm223]

They thought he was crazy. He proved them wrong

[@RIP_ZYZZ1738]

@@austinm223Not really. You guys will realize that the silent majority overwhelmingly agree despite the whole internet seeming to hate or be against it. Take KSI’s new song still getting top 10 in STREAMING (so not meme videos, people actually listening), Asmongolds apology video Like dislike ratio, how fast people forgot about Mr. Beasts wrong doings etc. The loud minority will make it seem like everyone is against. But the silent majority and the numbers always show otherwise. (Holy shit I was yapping sorry)

[@Aquarius003]

@@RIP_ZYZZ1738 Like-Dislike ratio is near immeasurable. The extensions that report that information don't have nearly close to the full statistics. As for KSI's song. A lot of it was likely young kids and people clowning on it to get it in the top 10. The same way terrible apology videos get in trending on YT. Negative publicity is good publicity. It's not a good indication of who wants what.

[@RIP_ZYZZ1738]

@@Aquarius003 It’s as if you ignored the part where it was STREAMED. The memes did not contribute to the songs standings. That shows that people are consistently listening to it. As for the dislike ratio, the likes themselves were good for the amount of viewers, so it’s safe to assume that once a video has a 10% like view ratio, the dislikes aren’t that high

[@innerstandtruth5813]

I stop playing ow2 months ago but watch Samito to keep up and I never I mean never thought they would even try this in the slightest bit. Samito the GOAT for having the loudest voice for this finally 6v6 back

[@Malxer]

From overwatch 1 to overwatch 0.5 to overwatch 1 again but with shittier microtransactions

[@tyhjyys]

this is so true in a dystopic and depressing way

[@nova_steric1749]

20€ per skin is not "micro" at all LMAO

[@himzane7976]

I guess my ow1 account is now worth thousands with all my skins?

[@mysticfox-lt4fm]

missing the loot boxes tho

[@ligmasphere901]

All part of the plan

[@MasterPigeonXD]

Will be laughing hysterically if "their data" shows 6v6 doesnt work, because they released it when Marvel Rivals drops. That is rhe kind of incompetency we've come to enjoy these years. Do it or die, Blizzards ego is out of this world. And... Theyre all silver players ☠️

[@mito._]

Blizzard has a pattern of behavior that should not be forgotten. This includes their decision to go to 6v6. The only reason they are even considering it, is because they are left with no other choice. How can I give this company any notion of good will, when they've historically abused said good will in every conceivable way.

[@mito._]

All I see is a company desperately trying to claw its players back from other new and upcoming IPs.

[@itzpurple_queen9711]

Your comment is fair and so true. However I’m willing to give them another chance because I love OW2 and want it to succeed and stay alive.

[@Kayther33]

can you share other times blizzard did this? I only played starcraft 2, warcraft 3 and OW

[@Dario11457]

real

[@kanaerrow]

@@Kayther33 They've done it a bunch of times with WoW. They introduce a system no one wanted or liked in the beta of the expansion, then they repeal it over the course of the expansion or just remove it at the end of its cycle. You can look up, "Pull the ripchord wow shadowlands, " which was an instance where a system was so bad that they were left with no choice but to abandon its core principles in favor of playability which was still too late in the scope of the expansion. Basically, Blizzard has been for awhile now reluctant to listen unless forcibly required to due to $$ or numbers or both, sadly.

[@sakthi5277]

The only reason this is happening now. Its because there's competition. Lets not forget that.

[@vunu.]

as a former off-tank player who peaked diamond, if 6v6 doesn't return as the default competitive experience, i'm probably never returning. i have not played overwatch "2" since its second season.

[@shutup11337]

please return to ow. what would we do without you 😢😢

[@runehjelm9406]

I am a DPS main but back in Overwatch when OQ was the default, I spent some 50-60% of my time on tank+support (avid Ana main, my 2nd most played hero). But with RQ that is no longer possible. I had DVA as my 4th most played hero, and that says alot for a DPS main. I really, really miss playing DVA, which I haven't played (her or tanks in general) since OW ended. The forced RQ destroyed so much of the game, only to be made worse by the horrible, horrible change to a single tank. Offtank was a great role. I knew nothing better than zoom around and police the entire area to help the team against strong enemy angles or flanks.

[@timothy_b03]

@@shutup11337Not that deep bro just expressing his opinion

[@MrFlyersFreak]

@@runehjelm9406 This. RQ killed overwatch

[@greenecarlos93]

If y’all haven’t played rivals please do it so fun I can’t wait for it to drop

[@forcekin1350]

Longer queue times mean more time for players to spend money in the shop, something Blizzard probably didn't think about.

[@d4mephisto]

well, by that logic we can basically guarantee 6v6 will be here to stay lmao. cuz blizzard is greedy if nothing else.

[@azrieldawson7377]

Blizzard is punching the air wishing they thought of that.

[@delluminatis]

yeah because people don't just alt tab until match is found or anything...

[@blissless127]

Whenever i used to play ow with my homies and the qs would be long af. We would play workshop maps in q and find the most interesting and fun game modes. I feel like q times was an ez cope for the ow2 devs

[@CesarCaballero-ui8tp]

@@blissless127bro like I know people hate long queue times but I’d do that shit too, good times😭

[@Dingle.Donger]

They are doing this out of FEAR because of Marvel Rivals. The moment I played the MR Alpha I predicted that Blizzard would try 6v6 again around Rival's launch date. Look at them now. Like usual, my brain is far ahead of these devs.

[@Truxyric]

5Head

[@Saiyagami1]

Only thing I’m having a fresh start on is marvel rivals, don’t have the patience for overwatch “2” to get their shit together anymore.

[@Naianasha]

Fr people swear that shit don't have potential to replace this nonsense that is ow or that Rivals will supposedly have the exact same problems. Um, launching with 6v6, tank is playable AND fun, all roles share equal impact etc? Bruh, these ow copers need to be so ffr. It will have it's own issues, but nothing remotely close to this ow shitshow. lol

[@Saiyagami1]

@@Naianasha 100% and tbh I don’t even care if rivals doesn’t technically surpass/replace ow, at the end of the day the game was more fun and scratches the same itch ow does imo.

[@FXtrtzor]

Bruh, it is 3rd person, are you gay>

[@ytcmbt2505]

Rivals will not hit the same as OW. Even OW at its worst is good.

[@steel5897]

See you in a couple months bro.

[@vasilios2]

No, why give the dev team a fresh start again? We keep giving them chances, over and over and over, we should stay skeptical and critical of them until the prove that they can perform their jobs well. This community has continuously been gaslit and beat down by the devs. It is unacceptable. I hope this new team does better, but I'm sick of creators saying: "water under the bridge" or "lets give them a clean slate" They don't deserve these chances? What have they done to earn it? Change a couple of things that the old team wouldn't? Every new team has done that, and every single one has let us down. I'm tired of this blind forgiveness, we should forgive when they show they're capable, not when they show they're willing.

[@wanderer316]

the youtubers are making money by playing these games. so he's probably just trying to keep the viewers. But im pretty sure we all know that what you said is the truth. and these

[@h_x.]

They will 100% match the 6v6 trial with Marvel Rival's release

[@gustavoferreira4616]

I USED TO PRAY FOR TIMES LIKE THIS 😭😭😭😭

[@mistersir4180]

I told Yal they will do 6v6 as soon as they found out Rivals release date ! Smh

[@salinaember9527]

it's actually genius for blizzard to run these tests during the marvel rivals launch because they know all the 6v6ers and former ow1 players will be playing that, so the 6v6 tests will be considered a failure. therefore, they won't have to worry about implementing it again and all the work involved.

[@thebearded4427]

If that’s the case then almost all pros and streamers will just abandon the game 😅 I suspect that they want to see how many players will come back with 6v6 and see if they compete with rivals or stay on the 5v5 path (which will undoubtedly kill it)

[@KiraMahMan]

Also for some reason they decide to have the min max queue test first which in my opinion sounds quite garbage because don't quote me on this but I think either 3-1-2 will be the best comp and people will be running that in high ranks which is pseudo goats or 1-3-2 will be the most played because most people play DPS and it's just solo tank all over again. Then people who never played 6v6 will have a sour first impression of 6v6 and therefore won't be playing the 2-2-2 role lock 2nd playtest.

[@juicymuscprod9624]

​@@KiraMahMan pretty sure that's why they testing min max, to see what comps have the better quality matches

[@runehjelm9406]

So you believe they want to put out this amount of effort to prove it a failure? Why wouldn't they just stonewall it instead like they have been doing since OW2 release? That has worked like a charm. In my mind there is no doubt they are serious about this. Whether they succeed is another matter, but serious they are, and right now I believe it is more likely that 6v6 will replace 5v5 than anything else. Development may have forced them to do it. The game is bad and the exodus of players is a proof. Right now Blizzard is permanently having [Drops On] on Twitch to keep up the illusion of success, where before it would only be periodically, around 1/3rd of the time. Don't underestimate how much the game could be suffering.

[@EmmaxoOCE]

Disagree. The first reply to your comment explains why.

[@Jigsaw090]

Where is Custa now ? I need to find that rock

[@absolute-xero7502]

He's hiding behind Eskay's skirt.

[@Truxyric]

​@@absolute-xero7502 LMFAO

[@DJK005]

I remember Sam literally saying they were going to bring back 6v6 at the beginning of year.

[@OTCThermal]

Foul me once shame on you, foul me twice shame on me. I won't be fooled by Blizzard a second time. Can't wait for Marvel Rivals in December!

[@luca377bazooka]

Rather experience 6 months of venom than go back to overwatch

[@ccaesers]

thanks sam for fighting for us and taking the brunt of controversy and being outed from the community

[@julicomo9815]

Now revert those hitbox and hp pool changes from s9 and the headshit bs from tanks.

[@liberalstchenel596]

i don''t think this one will be reverted

[@SteveFard]

​@@liberalstchenel596they said that about 5v5

[@WorldKeepsSpinnin]

​@@liberalstchenel596it needs to be. Bad players shouldnt be able to stand on equal terms with better players mechanically. Projectile changes need to go back to normal.

[@thebearded4427]

100% agree with this. It would make widow a close-to meme pick again unless in the hands of extremely mechanically skilled players, who know how to counter her, while bringing back the players who spent uncountable hours in aim training just to be at their peak. It would make competitive actually competitive again

[@liberalstchenel596]

@@thebearded4427 i don't know if widow improved that much, but there is certainly other nerfs that she could get, scope glint is a no brainer

[@crack-man4071]

Samitos 6v6 screams finally worked

[@Dr.Mango24]

They just wanted OW1 with a battle pass

[@delluminatis]

and cash shop

[@hugo-zi6gm]

Nothing wrong with that. Sam had been advocating for OW to become free to play in the years leading up to OW2. The only way to make money through that would be cosmetics.

[@alicenull807]

​​@@hugo-zi6gmI agree but Skins should be 5-10$ at most. 20$ is crazy as hell for something i used to earn for free. Honestly i think lootboxes should return but not be purchaseable but instead give one fot every 10 battle pass teirs you climb and awarded for leveling a hero I understand they need to make money but come on. Other free to play games make money fine via battle passes and 5$ cosmetics.

[@UNUSUALstrangeVINTAGEgenuine]

@@hugo-zi6gmIndeed nothing wrong with that, but the insane prices should be called out. Recolors for 20 bucks is insanity.

[@meduza93]

Bro how many fresh starts are we gonna give them. I've seen too much from the OW devs to trust them. What I know for a fact is that they couldnt balance double shield, so they've decided to remove a tank and promise us PvE. 5v5 turned out to be a shit show and PvE got cancelled (for the most part cause they did decide to milk $$$ for couple of worthless episodes of PvE gameplay. And they keep on milkin $$$ from their playerbase even via the balance of the heroes (skins for the OP ones). Now, I am supposed to believe them just because they're realising that losing core playerbase is actually really bad for the game? They say what we want to hear and I am supposed to believe that? It's been only a few months since they've stated that the engine cannot run 6v6, but sure...I am supposed to get hyped for the 6v6? Nah bro, 0expectations and trust me I WANT TO BE WRONG.

[@supertinydino]

They are just slowly reverting back into ow1, I'm still waiting for the day where lootboxes come back, or some kind of alternative

[@christianalexander6364]

You've got to be dense to not even realize that the devs that caused all those issues are not the current devs🤦

[@WorldKeepsSpinnin]

​@@christianalexander6364then how did the same exact problems happen on ow2 buddy? We watched it for years. You can keep being scammed, but the smart ones will leave this trash where it belongs.

[@jamyorday]

Alright well double shield wouldn’t exist now because of Orisa change, and the devs back then are gone lol. Current devs actually do shit. I am much more optimistic for the future of ow

[@Wizardbeard91]

​​@@jamyordaylmfao what the fuck do the new devs do other than fuck their game with a rusty pipe?......go on, I'll wait

[@idk9637]

holy sht ima start playing again

[@plaqued9526]

Nobodys gonna want 5v5 after they're exposed to 6v6. That part of the blog was copium. Literally the only thing we needed for 6v6 2-2-2 was improved hero distribution. More tanks and support heroes. Thats literally it. Fixes every perceived problem.

[@Dani-of2zu]

From Overwatch to Overwatch 2 to Overwatch 1. Welcome to Blizzard Entertainment.

[@lukeaustin4465]

Finally tank players will get to engage in a meaningful frontline resource trade with two tanks instead of having to basically afk in the neutral fight every game.

[@jimmyjab8744]

Thank you for making this happen/contributing so much to 6v6's return samito. Though my passion for overwatch has faded, a year or so ago I really REALLY wanted to learn dva and especially ball but didn't because what I like about dva is the fact she used to have a smaller amount of dm to help her other tank or peel for her team, and because I knew ball would be miserable to learn as a solo tank who either flanks and leaves his team vulnerable or sticks with his team and at least for me seems more awkward to play. Maybe I can finally have fun learning new tanks. I hope my love for this game can return. Maybe there's a chance now. I just hope they also balance the test well enough to show what 6v6 can be. I also hope that eventually, now that 6v6 is a possbility for the future and being tested, that maybe we can achieve the same thing with other issues, especially forcing them to address poor hero design that has needed change for years e.g. immortalities and infin up time pylon. Also hope they bring back old hog and revert pharah rework, and bring back doom beta techs fully. That's what i really want.

[@DESPAIR_714]

Samito forgiveness ark boutta go CRAZY💀

[@Ozzy_Nus_Head]

People who said, “I don’t care about 6v6, I wont argue about it because it’ll never come back. Duh.” 🤡

[@CoulierCuts]

I really really hope they go through with this. Got a feeling they're gonna cite some bs stats that say it's too difficult to control metas or something like that.

[@thekleanupkrew8381]

I will be redownloading now to try out 6v6, took them long enough to finally act on what the community wants, but if they continue on this path of really listening to the playerbase and acting on it I’ll more than happily give them my support

[@splashbangow]

I said it when OW2 released. 5v5 was a horrible idea because all the tanks in particular were tuned for 6v6 and now they're gonna have to undo most of what they did to them in terms of passives, otherwise 6v6 won't work. Sure, there are some fun elements to 5v5 but overall, it's a huge downgrade from 6v6. OW went from being a proper arena hero shooter to being a glorified cash shop with a free OW 0.5 attached to it.

[@LiterallyPaulGeorge]

I don’t believe in this company anymore

[@Schopenhauer-r1l]

As an off-tank main, I’m excited about 6v6, but as an Overwatch fan, I’m concerned because I believe that 6v6 is going to fail spectacularly. I really hope I’m proven wrong.

[@thecanadiansloth6404]

im sorry but im not forgetting the past. They ruined the game ive loved since 2016, Ive uninstalled the game and refuse to give it another chance. Each time they over promise and under deliver. They buff characters that arent fun, they only drop skins for the same 2 characters. They spent years of development for what is just a shitty format(5v5), and a shop update. Blizzard has completely ruined what was a great game. Im done with blizzard as a whole they have left a horrible taste in the communitys mouth. Everytime I try to keep an open mind with this dev they have let me down. Countless seasons in OW1 and every season in OW2. They lost a lifetime fan with their poor decisions.

[@Apocalypse754]

This will NOT save OW until they do something about the balance integrity and skill expression of this game. 6v6 wont work and we'd be in a similar situation if they were to do only just that change for the current patch. I better see the power levels be reverted back to Oct 2020 patch or something similar to that level, and then nerfing all OW2 characs down to that level. I dont see myself going back even if 6v6 was brought back if the balance is still going to be terrible like it is today

[@haloPrestoGiant02]

When the time comes, I'll give the 6v6 style a shot. For old times sake. I just think, unfortunately, the damage is done. I'm likely never returning as a regular player, and i know my friends have all dropped it ages ago and aren't looking back. Part of me is glad this is all happening, i just wish it would have come sooner.

[@iWaxWzrd]

As an OG Overwatch player once Rivals comes OW is on probation on my hard drive

[@IsThatKris]

Goats enabled 6v6 in the first test to run interest in the second one. Smart

[@KyleSullivan-vd1gp]

I dont agree often with Samito on a lot of things, but even i gotta admit he was always right about 6v6

[@mattdownie9636]

I hope 6v6 brings back the 200hp health bars. I played some pugs with that and it felt so good to play dps for the first time in a while. Even though I had less impact it was so fun to really work as a proper team AND be able to kill the zarya for feeding

[@domn9c]

its so over > we’re SO BACK > guys its joever > GUYS WERE SO BACK > chat… its joever 😔 > WWWW WERE MORE BACK THAN EVER BEFORE > guys…..

[@adalwolf8328]

The solution is to take a break when 'its joever' phase happens

[@Levin_125]

Road Taken 🔥 Fitting song for this topic too lol

[@Bken96]

I didnt even think of that- fates is weirdly fitting in this context, huh

[@bobbyzeitgeist1842]

The way they’re doing it is disingenuous. They’re releasing a reworked open role of 6v6 first (which will likely suck) then releasing regular 6v6 later in the season. Making all the people coming back to the game hate the first version and likely many people not coming back for the 2nd part. It’s like they’re trying to put the final nail in 6v6

[@Levi_LS]

either that or they're losing too many players

[@P0rk666]

6v6 🎉!!! But I must admit, Blizzard aced the Frankenstein 5v5 mod, H O L Y!

[@lulzjeffy1337]

Still waiting for Overwatch Classic to drop in 10 years.

[@ash_yt0]

Here is what I think they should do... Add 6v6 Competitive, and keep 5v5 Competitive, but change the way it works. So 6v6 is given the current Competitive system, and becomes the most hardcore competitive experience where you're expected to work together for the good of your rank etc. But then make a more casual competitive system for 5v5, to make it different and the more casual option. And I have an idea of how to do that... A clan system, sort of like an Overwatch League inside Overwatch itself. So you do placement matches, you get put in Bronze, Silver, Gold etc. And each Ranking has its own League of about 5 teams you can join. A Gold Player can't join a team in the Platinum League. And a Platinum Player can't join a team in the Diamond League. You join a team / clan that is consistent with your personal Ranking after Placement matches. But what makes this more casual is that your ranking is then hidden for the rest of the season from you, like in Quick Play. But you can earn Gold/Jade Weapons, albeit at a slower rate, and you probably should still try your best to win the game, because if your team wins the league that season, you will get bragging rights (like a Diamond themed Name Border if your team won the Diamond League last season etc.) There could also be a team leader board where if you contributed a lot of wins to your team, and few losses, you'd be able to break into the upper echelon of your team specific leaderboard, and earn competitive rewards like Gold/Jade Weapon currency, etc. So you're competing against your clanmates by trying to win games and carry your clanmates to victory at the end of the season. When a new season starts, you can jump up a division by earning enough SR behind the scenes that you get promoted to a higher rank.

[@liamjamesharris]

The Promise of Safety, or is it merely a trick of the light.

[@FunniestFern]

Honestly man I hope this 6v6 test is good it will bring back so many friends of mine who loved 6v6 (plus like when we swapped to 5v5 I lost a lot of friends who played overwatch with my six stack) so this could be big

[@GraphiteBlimp27]

I like what they are doing but here are things they need to consider: * Revert season 9 changes: both the hitbox size increases and the hp changes from 200-250 standard. The former takes away from skill expression and contributes to spam and the latter encourages sustainy comps and takes from play making. * Get rid of all role passives except maybe global heal out of combat but make it only start after like 8-10 seconds * Rework immortality abilities so they no longer have the immortal effect (lamp could be a dmg mitigation field, suzu could be a cleanse/burst heal, lifegrip doesn’t need to prevent dmg to be good in 6v6 when you can pull people into your team, there are options) * Reduce AOE healing- it either needs a drop off * Sounds like they are going to continue with the OW2 approach to CC which is food but honestly Cass flash was fine when he was divable and didn’t stack with the other 30 CC’s in the game and Mei freeze could just not multi freeze, but def take a look at OW2 Orisa that is just annoying regardless of format * Skill/reward curve balancing * Remove the 2 from all branding * I like the “Min 1 Max 3” idea and obviously 222, but I would also like to see an “open queue role limit with a max of 2 tanks & supports” attempted. This solves queue times immediately and allows for comp creativity and flex role players, but also if you are underperforming on a role you can switch or pick a DPS in the clutch. A big thing to me too with this is that without role lock you can have specialist heroes again. Bastion/Sombra/Roadhog all don’t really fit either the duelist or tank archetypes well, Bastion has a huge hitbox and wild dmg so he can’t be good as a standard DPS and Sombra has so much utility she can’t be good in a straight up fight, then Hog is selfish and has no way of protecting his team. All these heroes fit open queue better but both “min 1 max 3” and “open queue role limit max 2” mitigates the shortcomings of pure open queue. Some other heroes that can be more specialists would be Torb, Symmetra, and Mei. Bastion can be about being a turret in a defensive setup or pirate ship, Sombra is a strategist/coordination hero that sets up teammates, Hog is a zone control hook threat, Torb is a pure builder that plays like nothing else, Symmetra a creative utility character, Mei a brawl control/manipulator hero. It’s what they were always meant to be. These reasons are why I like trying the “min 1 max 3” as well but I think the “open queue role limit max 2” is another good If they take all of these factors into account we could literally have the best game ever made, even better than OW1 at its peak

[@matheus_brunelli]

I actually think most of the season 9 changes were for the better and maybe most of them can stay. However, I definitely agree with most of your points... and they were many! Another topic I kinda disagree with is on Bap's immortality field. I know it was a problem by the end of OW1, but it's too unique and Bap's signature ability to just not be an immortality field anymore. Maybe they could reduce the radius of the field. Also, about Cass, I think they could change a bit his flashbang so it still does some damage (not much), slows the enemy for a bit, but also makes the enemy partially blind for a fraction of a second, like a flashbang should

[@Vertebrated]

WE MADE IT BOYS 😭😭😭

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

Finally😭😭

[@luuidz1966]

0 interest in the first test, if 2-2-2 is pushed till later they're tanking the interest on purpose

[@d4mephisto]

YAAAAAAAY 6V6 I don't have anything else to say. I just... I can't wait to test this. Big ass smile on my face right now 😁😁 Sam, I want to thank you personally for everything you have done to speak out and say what's on your mind over all these years. This would not be happening without you man. 100% feel that way.

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

I’m hype for 6v6 Thank god😭 if this goes well Overwatch might be back I just want to have fun again and for me 5v5 is not it I know some people like 5v5 but as a tank i just can’t do it but this is a step In the right direction!

[@drantino]

the king maker mode does sound intresting, but i know because how solo tank feels compared to having rotation defensive abilitys between 2 people that it will be rarely the tank

[@andy7769]

Why the fuck would I give them a fresh start? With 6v6 back it proves there literally is no Overwatch 2 to begin with. They did no work for 5 years.

[@hugo-zi6gm]

No work for 5 years? Disingenuous statement, most of what they worked on was scrapped. Not their fault, never will be.

[@UNUSUALstrangeVINTAGEgenuine]

I knew this when they cancelled pve. Just a shop update. That's it. And 5v5 to actually have a change to show. Nothing more.

[@EmmaxoOCE]

@@UNUSUALstrangeVINTAGEgenuine exactly. as soon as ow2 went from "it'll be compatible with ow! and cross over!" to "oh this is the new game, bye ow1" I knew it was not gonna be good. somehow most people didn't consider that bad.

[@neoramaredzone8544]

Hope to god they actually fucking rebalance heroes and didn’t just copy paste them

[@austinsanchez4694]

Been bitching bout the game for last 2 years but still plays it

[@jorochimaru]

Nope, never giving them a fresh start or anything like that. They dont deserve it. Ill always rememver what crap they pulled in the past with the lies and caring more about the shop over anything else. 6v6 wont fix this game, its the devs that made it crap, not just the format. Ill only come back when they bring back the loot box system where you get skins just by playing the game. Theyre going back to OW1 pretty much, so get rid of the shop, they do that, then ill give it a chance. The loot box system was way more rewarding than this shop crap

[@erikrulez17]

1:30 My heart just sank. our goose is cooked... They need to role this out immediately, and they need to put the 2-2-2 bit first. or this isn't gonna get a fair trial whats so ever.

[@--Glory--]

The way I see it if they test the shitter mode first they’ll be able to use it as a test run for changes necessary to make to the current tanks in a 6v6 format, and also to gauge player interest and performance in each role. Then they can use that information to hopefully make the 2-2-2 test as good as it can be. With their track record, whether they will successfully do that is up for debate, but I think it’s still better than having the 2-2-2 test first.

[@erikrulez17]

@@--Glory-- I do see that, but I think they should just do a beta test prior to the test

[@nimnim4699]

We’re so back

[@User-pu3lc]

I hope the test goes well. Personally I like OW2 setup more than OW1, but if the move to 6v6 reignites the scene it’d be great. I still miss the pre-brig no role lock magic that was early OW1…

[@BumboBoy]

I climbed to Diamond on Hog back in OW1 in like a week. I love his playstyle. I was basically an OTP. OW2 Hog can no longer flank because his team actually needs him as a front liner but he also isn't a good tank either. I love winston as well. I'm excited for 6v6 as it means I can finally play hog and not be throwing basically. Hog is an ultimate battery for the enemy team and just does less than Rein, Orisa, Mauga, Sigma, ETC.

[@someGuy-kl7cb]

honestly im suprised were getting tests THIS soon. i thought it would take a few years before they managed to get the confidence to test. it could also mean that since the test is so soon they might've actually found a method to safely do it without costing laggy servers or removing features. there is confidence in doing these sort of tests so soon when previously they said it would take a few seasons. it means theres probably SOMETHING they didn't think they could sort out, somehow got sorted out. either way, things are looking up for overwatch.

[@DillonMW]

How Sam feels about all the passives is how I feel about when they added perks to Call of Duty.

[@OpEditorial]

I like to think of this development team at Overwatch, like those videos where an abandoned puppy is slowly nursed back to health

[@Truxyric]

Except the puppy is on life support

[@hippertjoe9225]

After this Blizzard can wrote a book, " How to destroy a GOTY in 13 season"

[@openthedamndoor5359]

This mf seen the light at the end of the dark tunnel

[@danielwhite1890]

was unnerving, seeing you smile like that in the thumbnail cant wait to go back home (zarya+rein kings row)

[@ClosingCougar73]

1 thing that i know will end up happening is once these tests come out. if 6v6 isnt the most favored mode instead of 5v5. someones going to say in bad faith that the devs intentionally tanked the tests and made 6v6 worse.

[@Chris-rn9ef]

I'm honestly hopeful since it's now Microsoft teams over the game and not the old team and management we've had for years.

[@vivid8979]

Sam is always 2 steps ahead.

[@JohnnyTrick]

You are absolutely correct. My gaming group has been saying it for years too. When ovy switched to 5v5 it destroyed the game. 6v6 was peak ovy with gameplay/consistent playerbase/fun competitive scene. It never really recovered after the switch to 5v5. 6s meta was a wild west with goats lurking all around. Blizzard got it right the first time (like they did with all their past games before the "schism.") Numbers don't lie. Personally, I know many players returning just for 6s. Exciting. LFG

[@CadzGamez]

Loved original overwatch but when OW2 came out and they dropped the extra tank role me and my other tank partner stopped playing but if 6v6 does come back I’m all in to re try

[@SHUTENSEPC]

I'm playing only the new mode with cards and having the best time in my life in overwatch. Pickable passives is the best way to counter counterpicking. Heck, just literally throw an ability to repick your hero at all, I've seen so many people have identity issues when they don't know who to play. Give them hero modifiers. it's fun, it's a new ground to outplay people, it's interesting to do so.

[@rokkalombardi2196]

This is good news. I'm not completely on board but we should give this new team a shot. They really seem to be determined to turn the game around.

[@Luke42652]

This is the most positive change I've seen in a long time. 5v5 experiments this season, and 6v6 experiments next season? LETS GO! They previously said 6v6 would take "multiple seasons". So with the map changes and a commitment to do 6v6 experiments NEXT SEASON (!!!) I am super excited. The only lingering thing is to stop nerfing/buffing characters based on skins. And to give Sombra some proper love and combine virus/hack and put stealth on a separate button and CD. She doesn't need infinite stealth. But requiring the player to land virus (or the "virus" projectile) without the old hack lockon, and be able to have separate CD for stealth (even if it's still 5s) and translocator would be some huge TLC for people who love to play the character without making her as annoying to play against.

[@avariciousgaming1695]

I want the main format to rotate every season or 2. 5v5, 6v6, and all these variations.

[@hoolly]

Its kinda annoying that the 5vs5 tests are coming first instead the 6vs6 tests - feels like "if 5vs5 feels better than 6vs6 we can change into that" which is kinda weird BUT we finally got tests and thats good

[@eagerinspirit]

I don't know about swapping between 5v5 and 6v6 between seasons though. As a tank player I'd rather not have to have a dice roll on whether my role will be enjoyable next season or not.

[@mage3690]

I think it maybe should be min 1/1/1 max 2/3/3 players per role, but cool to see that. I think this is another balance thing from Questron's chat, I remember talking about it there (or was it Samito's chat? I can't remember actually). It's _really_ cool to see the devs take balance suggestions from the community and that, more than anything, gives me hope that these devs are doing a good job.

[@madara992]

"I used to pray for times like these" -Samito (probably)

[@ty_ie]

Min 1 Max 3 6v6 is the game. this is 100% what the future of ow needs to be

[@datsuarcade7617]

what a coincidence, season 14 starts close to marvel rivals

[@CoolExcite]

Tank ult charge passive can stay in too

[@jamesmiddleton8335]

Them putting it as an unranked mode is a little bit of a bummer, but tbf each tests are only going to be for a short period of time so I understand that decision

[@nnaann7788]

3:53 global regen is also bad, dps can just run behind cover for 5 seconds to regen, no need to be in line of sight of healers nor near a health pack, diminishing value of both, also if healers are dead everyone regens passively before they even come back to heal, removing point of sniping healers to win through attrition, it is just a mild inconvenience atm

[@alicenull807]

I don't think it's terrible i just think it needs to be slower/take longer to happen. This basically makes shields pointless too XD

[@aaronolson6736]

Running 2-2-2 after the exprimental 6v6 mode feels like a risk, how many player who never played in 2-2-2 will be scared off by facing 3 Tanks or 3 Support. Not to mention any imbalances from Tank stacking in the arcade will be at the forefront in this mode without first running 2-2-2 to spot any problem synergies in a lineup with 3 Tanks (I'm sure there will be problems in other comps but we currently have 2 of the other roles so any problems in those shouldn't be as pronounced)

[@kingvalor8265]

People only want 6v6 to scapegoat 2 tanks instead of 1🤣😭

[@nicholasaragon4126]

That's what I remember about OW1: Two tanks arguing in the spawn about who's fault it is that they're getting whooped and who should swap.

[@darthrevan618]

Honestly if they could change formats every rank reset that would help keep the game fresh for a bit

[@dshredmusic]

Imagine you tell someone in 2020 ANYTHING about 2024...

[@Abdulaziz-ew1du]

Yes, remove passive, also make two rules in tank” shields tanks and no shields” we can choose two off tanks but not the other way around please please please. It would be great if we just back to the time before brig, easy fix to overwatch. After that any brain dead hero and easy to play with just don’t add it to the game.

[@frostphoenix8256]

Hope: they take notes from the FANTASTIC community 6v6 patch. Expectation: they drop an abysmal OW2 balance patch into this with zero effort and then say 'See, 6v6 isn't better!'

[@OleCopperbeard]

I'm happy to see this but honestly might be too little too late. Marvel rivals BETA was more fun than Ive had in overwatch in years. I have high hopes for the full release.

[@eddielopez6731]

I gotta say if 6v6 comes back it I’m betting it ends up being the hybrid open queue because if you want to milk a game like they have to now that the pve dream is dead, then the dps players have to be able to queue into the game in a reasonable time. That’s the bottom line.

[@NeraLocrian]

the 1-3 per role mode in qp will just end up as 1 tank, 3 dps, 2 support,