New 9th Edition 40k - Death Guard vs Ad Mech Warhammer 40k Battle Report Ep 3

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Luka attempts the horde of Death Guard again to against Josh and his Ad Mech with their new rules from Engine War in this 1,500 point game.
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[@Humpage026]

Is there any chance of a small graphic in the corner showing the current victory points and maybe command points? Would make it easier to follow (especially as I am normally multi tasking! :P)

[@Scott-yl5gi]

Agreed

[@Lumberjane37]

Seems like that could be a pain in the butt to implement for on-screen, though maybe it could be kept track of when they do the Turn graphics!

[@davismma125]

@@Lumberjane37 I seen that added onto a ton of battle reports so definitely doable

[@soniaalvarez9342]

Yes like play on tabletop

[@reeferbeard5140]

That would be awesome, taking MWG to the future!

[@magnos_decimus]

Ad mech saving the mysterious recipe of Kool-aid from the Deathguard is perfect

[@Mii378]

I enjoy watching Josh roll all them dice

[@npags2911]

Same

[@KuuraHelmi]

im the third person

[@randallcunningham4360]

Keep rolling. It's good for my ears.

[@breezetv2052]

Also a big fan

[@nolencarter511]

I also enjoy the bucket of dice.

[@justinseo6471]

The Omnissiah provides! More Admech goodness!

[@emperorkraglint9792]

Please show us more of 9th, but i would love to see a small Crusader narrative campaign with the leveling up mechanics. That's what im excited for

[@theeaterofpie]

You probably don't wanna run 2 big blobs of marines since you can only cloud of flies one of them. Also you are gonna need more than 8 wounds worth of a screen for the unit you use cloud of flies on. Alternatively you could run the upgraded Plague Surgeon and possibly the Noxious Blightbringer with his new relic to make the marines harder to kill. Could also try putting one of the units into reserve and clouding the other unit, or replacing one with some Blightlords and running it as a patrol instead. Just some thoughts as i've also been speculatively making some DG lists revolving around Plague Marines. :)

[@danielember8008]

I just started 40k with my adeptus mechanicus army. Love your batreps. Greetings from Hungary 🙂

[@unpredictableplays6426]

5 months later and I am in same boat as you! :D

[@MrEdge6677]

@@unpredictableplays6426 and here’s another! 5 months later. Edit: Spelling

[@nuno99s]

Covid has brought us one good thing - Josh is now doing battle reports!

[@jameszoeller1517]

Those flails are monstrous! They absolutely destroyed that whole squad of priests.

[@Jmann-jj1jo]

@@kingconan1369 hows it 3d3? Plague marines are 1 base attack and then 1 extra attack on the charge for hateful assault

[@bobbifranco3712]

@@Jmann-jj1jo death to the false emperor, when he rolls an 6 to hit it's an additional attack.

[@priestking8636]

@@Jmann-jj1jo the point is that you can roll 2 D3 for 6 and roll six sixes to hit to trigger DTTFE, so it is potentially 6D3 more attacks, so flails.can do from 2 to 24 attacks from ONE model

[@richardbroughton8473]

They are just silly!

[@andymorton7333]

Stop showing how good the flails are, GW will nerf them into the ground if we're not careful!

[@CloudianMH]

I saw 2 big blobs of plague marines and i winched. Then I remembered moral doesn't suck as bad as it used to, so here I am making a comment about how I think the DG army isn't great 3 minutes into the video. But it's learning, lets see how something like this works in 9th with the new strategems. GL!

[@theblessing8386]

It can be more brutal to little squads though imho

[@Zyphent]

Aw yeah, my 2 personal favorite factions. Keep up the great content!

[@tonyrigby6065]

Those plague marine squads should never have been piled together like that...

[@jamesrowley3214]

Best line in a Warhammer game, "It will be cool aid."

[@cjd2889]

"Those are so he can perform SCIENCE on the go..." Who needs a laboratory when you have beaker-wings?

[@kriscrossx122]

Throwing grenades air craft always seems strange to me from a immersion standpoint.

[@chaoscultist5679]

So does almost every space marine ever just throwing away millenia of technological advancment in ranged weaponry in order to charge headlong into glorious melee combat. BUT THIS IS 40K AND ITS AWESOME, NOW THROW THEM GRENADES AT THEM AIRCRAFT DAMNIT!

[@mitchellmitting6678]

Flak Grenades, just exploding mid throw

[@saintmuerte13]

You just got to time it

[@MrRoberte789]

Im so happy to see josh playing again I missed watching him in battle reports

[@Gribardson]

Watching the die rolls is one reason I watch these videos. Keep rolling all of the dice, Josh.

[@mwgjosh5161]

Oh buddy they can't stop me from doing what I love

[@narnia54]

I couldn’t see mention of it in the comments. In Lukas first turn when he charged, josh used heroic intervention with the tech-priest. Now distances on camera do always look skewed. But the tech-priest didn’t *appear* to be with 3” of the blighthauler and so wouldn’t have been able to perform the intervention.

[@TheNobodyspecific]

1:10:36 I am such a person. I love heavy dice loads especially playing 'nids.

[@hunterwartabeager6380]

Good to see some Ad Mech on the table again. One of the more under appreciated armies in 40k in my opinion

[@martinwolff4102]

At approximately 41:40, Josh started using Overloaded Safeguards; FYI, this generates extra "hits", not extra attacks. Page 47 of Engine War: "When resolving an attack made with a ranged weapon by a friendly model within 6" of this Warlord, an unmodifed hit roll of 6 scores 1 additional hit."

[@martinwolff4102]

I see Josh realized this a few minutes later :)

[@Djnightmare14]

TheDarkestStig didn’t he give that enginseer prime hermeticon and not the DotM WL trait?

[@martinwolff4102]

@@Djnightmare14 He sure did; just rewatched a few bits, and I don't see any reference to Prime Hermeticon being changed to Divinations of the Magos other than at around the 36 minute mark when Josh states that he picks Overloaded Safeguards. @MWG Did we miss a part where the warlord trait was swapped?

[@mwgjosh5161]

@@martinwolff4102 I honestly don't remember. I may have said different from what I had written down? It's my bad either way

[@martinwolff4102]

@@mwgjosh5161 No worries, thanks for confirming. It's a heck of a Warlord trait, even though Prime Hermeticon is good for Electropriests. Have you considered running a TechPriest Manipulus with the electropriests? The +1 to move and charge rolls is nice, and the Transonic cannon is a decent anti-horde gun.

[@arctichordewargaming3550]

His holy beardness Josh! Good stuff fellas :)

[@notkonradcurze1347]

For grandfather Nurgle! All shall be blessed in holy filth!

[@judjementine]

real nice seeing josh continue to be a part of the battle reports after being benched for so long

[@schizosamurai8840]

Tf are even those flails I was looking for some spicy melee right off the bat, but the flails just ended the fun before it started

[@augustuslc]

As soon as I saw the DG list, I knew it had no chance. If your biggest punch unit it's a melee one that moves super slow, at least include some high dmg weapons to destroy the units that can dmg your units till they get into melee range. Btw those blight haulers are so bad, you need some leviathan or contemptor dreadnought, even the defilers or plagueburst crawlers would have done better.

[@malikm7620]

Josh! Finally your back in a battle report! My Iron Warriors thirst for revenge!

[@giovannitrujillo7547]

I hope you guys use Orks soon. Really waiting to see how they perform in the new edition.

[@bruce5204]

ah yes, the daemon prince of nurlge, the fifth chaos god

[@xekon14]

Bruno Cherubini Nah, he's the seventh, Nuffle is the fifth

[@Virakotxa]

@@xekon14 Andy

[@valiantcashcow]

*The Filth chaos god

[@Kontayes]

I am one of the three people who exist who like watching dice being rolled, and I am also a fellow Agripinaa AdMech player!!

[@doomislav5791]

BTW thanks guys for pulling those episodes out of the vault during lockdown!

[@kabhaal802]

Woo, here we go! Josh with 9th admech is gonna be 🔥

[@PapaTwig]

Love seeing Josh bring out the AdMech! Good game, gents

[@marcjones244]

Great to have you guys covering this

[@steweygrrr]

I don't agree that plasma should have been unmodified 1s for Gets Hot because, to me anyways, having hit modifiers apply represents the user holding the charge for too long while aiming or having to adjust the lead they give the target and end up holding the trigger down just a touch too long. Anyways cool battle report as always, looks like 9th is shaping up to be 8th with most of the holes plugged which has got me excited to play again.

[@beardhammerwargaming]

FOR THE OMNISSIAH!!! - Beardy

[@colbunkmust]

beep boop robots blasting filthy sickly meatbags is highly optimal beep boop

[@EDarien]

So, you took a Tallyman in a Mortarion's Anvil detachment with a 20-man blob of melee Plague Marines and didn't give him the relic to give exploding 6s?

[@andymorton7333]

@Nighthawk McAwesome it would of meant 6's become 1 extra attack AND 1 extra hit

[@andymorton7333]

​@Nighthawk McAwesome Yeeeah, so it's possible to translate 1 hit to 4 hits, Roll 6 to proc DttFE get 1 extra attack and 1 extra auto hit DttFE roll into another 6 which would incur another auto hit This can start to get real silly with the flails

[@Enballgroda1]

Really glad to see a bunch of Josh batreps again. Josh's great!

[@Black_Blow_Fly]

That admech army is gorgeous

[@kosherbeefcake]

Consider providing text of your lists in the description or provided by a link. 👍🏻

[@TurielD]

Kinda cheaty loading up on 180pts of free weapons on the Kastelans due to the PA misprint in a 1500pt game without even discussing it beforehand. I know GW hasn't acknowledged it yet, but every admech player knows the Robots shouldn't be 65pts per model with free weapons.

[@mwgjosh5161]

I just build the list on BS anddon't pay much attention to individual costs, was there a typo?

[@TurielD]

@@mwgjosh5161 Ah - that makes sense. Yeah, PA Engine War changed the price of the Heavy Phosphor Blaster from 15pts (which it has been all of 8th edition trhough each CA release) to 0pts. And it included a Phosphor Blast Carbine (a sidegrade for the new Sulphurhound units compared to their 1pt weapons) as 15 pts. So suddenly a competitively-costed 110 pt Dakkastelan was priced at 65 pts. They're absolute monsters at that price, and I would feel bad about including them in a for-fun list for that reason. It's widely regarded by AdMech players to be a misprint/pt-switch issue that will be faq'd, or addressed in the upcoming CA that's coming out with 9th.

[@ebonserpent]

Ya for some reason bs switched it which is obviously wrong

[@mwgjosh5161]

@@TurielD Oof thanks for the heads up

[@dambrooks7578]

I'd just like to say: Josh that beard looks incredible. That is all, back to gaming...

[@bulwyf2572]

So much for this being the "combat edition". DG with melee gets mowed down by bombs and shooting, can't catch up in points because of a mobile firebase. Game was over by T1.

[@positronisomer206]

Totally. 40k seems to have devolved to: bunch all your guys together in a big blob with aura buffs and shoot the crap out of your enemy. Weapons so ridiculously accurate and deadly most games are essentially over by turn 2. Get rid of shooting through your own guys; every model should need LOS, at least then you get a more realistic looking firing line

[@tonyrigby6065]

It was more an issue of him only using 2 giant squads. It neutered his ability to close and allowed for a very efficient expenditure of command points to slow them down. If he'd have run 4 smaller units two of them could have rolled in from the flanks to get into melee without taking rounds of shots getting there.

[@christopherpartin2389]

Yeah it's a lot of things. The army he brings (an 8th edition army, not one built for 9th in mind) matters. He admitting 3 quarters through the game that he wasn't really playing the objectives is another problem. A bigger one often not talked about, but that Jim Vesal complained about in his interview with Dave, is that points haven't been updated yet, we don't have the faq'd abilities, and we don't have the FULL rules, so a lot of the people practicing, theorycrafting lists, and trying to "gain an edge" are operating with incomplete information and rules trying to gain an edge. For all we know, shooting units are "better," but more expensive in comparison. Maybe every army has an FAQ that changes things entirely.

[@lukaslesniak1415]

Ad mech got scary good with their psychic awakening, on par with marines potentially in my opinion, and their successive points drops in every chapter approved while death guard have remained mediocre So I feel like you cant really say it's a shooty edition based on this batrep Also with pts hikes for 9th this ad mech army will probs cost about 400 pts more than the death guard one

[@andrewcrawford8306]

This comment aged like milk. Lol.

[@LordDarkhelm]

I like this secondary objective mechanic. It feels both more immersive, and more balanced for varied lists that might not have been as good with the old objectives of linebreaker, slay the warlord, and etc.

[@FrankyFes]

you must be proud and rejoicing in rolling so many dice. you do the work of the omnisiagh and the Emperor by obliterating these vile heretics!

[@kimo4u2]

I think it is great that Josh gets to roll ones on 72 dice. Go Josh!

[@HarduntheRanger]

Luca seems to have this issue where he always advances. Makes a super cool unit, rushes it in to kill the first enemy he sees, gets it obliterated next turn by the return fire/charge. Like here, he's playing some slow arse death guard and rushes up to kill a random unit of troops, on a map with no central objective, lots of LOS blockers, and overwhelming firepower.

[@suntsutoriden]

At 25:22, technically all modifiers are cumulative. You can have multiple +1 or -1 modifiers to hit acting simultaneously, for instance two -1 and one +1 for a total of -1. Or you can have multiple modifiers adding to more than -1 or +1, but the risk effect can only ever be +1 or -1

[@Pijer19]

I'm watching this while painting my first 5-men squad of Electro-Priests... needless to say, it was pretty sad to see 19 get wiped in a single turn while it takes me 3-4 hours to paint a single model.

[@SanguiniusEntar]

Goddamn Josh, that's what I call a quarantine beard!

[@mwgjosh5161]

I mean it's pretty much my normal beard :)

[@jordandecourcy3147]

The green liquid is kool-aid lol

[@G4L_Trixster]

So Luka alchemy an chemistry are the ones that are closely related in science and he's totally a Dr. Haha

[@surpriseandterror9698]

Thank you for using more Ad Mech!

[@mikecif4123]

It seems like the Death Guard player uses command re-roll more than once in the same phase.

[@SovietSeething]

I enjoy watching him roll the attacks yes

[@HeadCannonPrime]

6th batrep of 9th edition I have seen. Looks like 40k is now a 3 turn game and Shooting is still king. results: Shooty marines: win in turn 3(v. tyranids) Shooty marines: win in turn 3 (but it was obvious after turn 1)(v. CC chaos) Shooty marines win in turn 3 (v. chaos) Shooty marines win in turn 3(but game was really over turn 1)(v. necrons) Necrons barely win in at the end of turn 3 (goes 1 roll into turn 4 then opponent concede) (v. marine mix) Shooty admech win in turn 3 (v. chaos)

[@phaseadept78]

Eldar win in turn 5 vs ultramarines

[@owenchesser4571]

bkLEGION3000 if it’s on this channel, one army will always wipe the floor with the other one. One guy always builds a real gimmicky list, while the other usually hard counters it.

[@sturm9087]

I think thats more about how overpowered marines are than how good shooting is. But marines have always been overpowered so whats new

[@jeffsyndrome4812]

@@sturm9087 Not really, their codex before their updated one was by far the worst codex in the game, and Space Marines, for once, were considered trash. Now, yes, I believe at least some of the chapters are op, but its misleading to say they have always been op.

[@defiante1]

@@sturm9087 If you want to win with CC you really need to be prepared to fight tactically and use serious tricks. You can't just sit units in the front line and hope for first turn. Take advantage of the new strategic reserve rules, properly screen, combat squad like mad etc. Big blobs right in the front, hoping for a turn 1 are a bad idea and shakey gamble. If you get second turn its an auto loss basically, if you get first turn... if you don't get right up in their face with enough stuff its a loss. Plus fluff vs cheese well... gg.

[@jaanikaapa6925]

Alchemy isn't considered a science anymore, but it is the premise for chemistry and other sciences.

[@earlgrey2130]

But it probably is in the 41 millenium amongst the children of nurgle ;)

[@loganporter6]

Terrain looks amazing, cool theme for the batrep

[@BastiT87]

In Lukas first round the CC Marines should have used Blight Bombardement with the +6“Strat and the Biologus Buff. This would have been enormous.

[@kingconan1369]

Nothing was in range other then the priests that died to flail attacks anyway.

[@tinfoiltube]

Seemed like kind of a joyless game, I dunno. Deathguard had no realistic chance in this one.

[@peters6345]

Yea at first I thought it would, but then Admech is really nasty after the PA book ;/

[@ryanriggins1835]

Yeah I think the DG list was a pretty bad matchup against the Ad Mech here, your Plague Marine blobs just get shredded. I am toying with DG and am running 3 PBC with a Chaos Lord for re-roll bubble to sit in back and artillery the board.

[@christopherb1913]

It’s a shooting edition and ad mech are possibly the best ranged army in the game post PA

[@bulwyf2572]

I play DG and this army list had zero chance of winning this game.

[@FrankSGuerra]

Ad Mech shooting is pretty ridiculous.

[@skipgiblets]

I love the trash/game talk from Luka

[@ryzukumagawa7143]

Other guy:Yeah I'm just stay behind cover and hide Me:Nah pock your head and say hi for a moment

[@jwheatca]

Nice work with the Bombers!!!

[@kristopherbruns7674]

Wait you can only have one Holy Order warlord trait and Josh had two in his first ad mech turn? And I thought that Enginseer had Mechadominator trait.

[@swantips100]

Keep rollin josh

[@fistimusmaximus6576]

wish those pile ins were limited to models within the unit that dont touch base to stop people getting around bad charge rolls as a example that 3 the demon prince rolled.

[@Blacksheep045]

I do enjoy watching Josh roll 72 dice because I'm watching Death Guard filth being absolutely incinerated by an unholy amount of phosphex

[@KuuraHelmi]

DATS A LOTTA DAKKA, BUT NOWERE NEAAR ENUFF!

[@HereticCinema1080p]

the stance on the robots is changed at the start of the movement phase, so you cant move them, then change it to double shoot.

[@mwgjosh5161]

You can with the stratagem

[@adamcondon5120]

I love robot shooting!

[@thezeevy]

When the ad mech hands the DG a free kill on their priests and still spank the poor nurgly boys.

[@peterpaoletta9091]

Try poxmongers next time Luca!

[@harveyvillajones]

Is that Skyrim music towards the end?

[@michaelkeha]

Holy shit Josh is still alive I thought he was dead

[@mwgjosh5161]

The rumors of my death were greatly exaggerated

[@Lifelover992011]

41:08 I heard somewhere (I think it was another MWG Batrep) that hit rolls can no longer be modified past -1 and +1? Or am I getting that confused with something else? Great Batrep, love both Death Guard and Admec

[@andrewcharlton6080]

After all modifiers ‘to hit’ and ‘to wound’ rolls can be modified by a maximum of +1 or -1.

[@aganej2]

More dice for the dice god, more dice for the dice throne.

[@jasonburrus8146]

I’m pretty new to all this. Great report. Quick question...is the Death Guard demon prince a chaos demon model with wings from another model?

[@mwgjosh5161]

Yup, Balrog wings I think?

[@rw1428]

The forbidden coolaid

[@kylepattie8169]

I do enjoy a good dice roll.

[@pinponit]

you guys use the other terrain rules! they are a ton of fun and change the game a lot

[@alexanderrichards4996]

Josh and Luka! well bugger the armies this is going to be good

[@Tropicoboy]

I love seing the destruction 72 shots deos 😈

[@romanlyubimov9490]

Praise the Omnissiah!

[@hunterpoe3283]

I am very much enjoying everyone one of those sexy sexy robot dice rolls. Praise the Omnissiah, Purge the heretic.

[@gustavojansivu2412]

May the best win

[@justinclapper4755]

since you asked i did enjoy the bearded dice rolls. :D

[@4fr0pl]

Been a while since I watched mwg, I see that beard game got strong :D

[@claythomas9163]

Can someone tell me why his Kastelans were getting two hits on 6's?

[@zachsmith8967]

Where does he get all those cat shirts, he has the best shirts.

[@charlesb.1945]

Do Chaos Space Marines have a “give extra warlord trait” stratagem?

[@graysontidwell4646]

You can use council of traitors for 1CP I believe and give a dark apostle and/or sorcerer a warlord trait if you have a certain warlord (abaddon ik for sure but the other two I'm not sure)

[@jeremydemitchell841]

Only black legion, and its limited to specific hqs

[@klo45pl]

Question to gw designers how much points does a rule cost that only works agains imperium? 1pt? 2pt? 0pt?

[@alphaprimus7794]

17 dead models JUST from 2 flails alone. Disgusting.

[@araukoruth]

I mean, you guys have used the 65pts kastellan robots which is not as intended obviously, so the lists had a 200pts diference. Also one was close to competitive (datasmith i'm looking at you) and the other more fluffy. Not a balanced game in any way.

[@felixwhite8063]

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[@bobnob7757]

Corrupt them all with his rot

[@albertobreen4155]

Why not try the plague surgeon with the new qar of the spider strategems?

[@richardjeffs837]

Nice!

[@ShidaiTaino]

I only come for the dice rolls

[@Glarrgify]

Divinations of the Magos is not additional attacks, its additional hits

[@Liam22278]

This guy sure does talk and roll fast. I couldn't keep up lol