NEW AoE2 Patch Notes!

[@ErichMuellerAoE]

Thanks for using my clip hahaha

[@MammothSaltyGachaponOfficial]

I saw that clip and i stunned just like you feel like "HUHH".

[@solorollo9756]

Very appropriate facial expressions 🤣

[@Connection-Lost]

Danke, dass du meinen Clip benutzt hast, hahaha

[@peterhodgson3696]

To be fair, a ballista really ought to be affected by ballistics.

[@nastybandit322]

Etymological man right here

[@pcwildcat]

Oh yeah? Well then should logs be affected by logistics????????

[@viniciuscavalcanti2458]

​@@pcwildcatYes 🗿

[@LegendzOfMusic]

I suggested the custom random civ pool idea to Nili during his stream last year... he basically said i'm an idiot and that i should make my own random pool with a random number generator :p.

[@humphreybumblecuck5151]

What seems nuts is I’ve already done precisely what he suggested a long time ago.

[@Xandalfo]

silly nili! I wanted that feature so much!!❤

[@Thundersgaming]

i said the same thing and nili told me to jump off a cliff and dont ever say something so stupid in his chat again

[@jennystrandqvist1568]

Well, the thing that is of value is that you locked in at the time of reveal. Nili is and was right that you could just assign civs numbers and throw a dice. The problem is the human that sometimes would overrule that dice.

[@FriendlyVisitor-vv6yr]

since DE came out there were people asking for this

[@banter1341]

This random Controlled Random is awesome. the exact feature I wanted added. there's 20 or so civs im happy to random between, then there's a stack I dont want to play with. this is perfect

[@tanukiinkognito3520]

I think you misswd the biggest QoL-change: you can now have a queue of gathering-points from buildings, so the spawning units walk a given route. This allows you to automatically navigate New units from weirdly placed buildings around the enemy army to join your units 🎉

[@T90Official]

I personally don’t find this to be that big a change but should have mentioned it 😅

[@krystofcisar469]

with how waypoints work its probably worse than useless :D

[@jakab174]

spamming light cav into the oppenent base but dodging castles i think is huge, same with monks.

[@draganescuconstantin2380]

Or you can have 1 or 2 buildings that pump units into enemy eco and the rest to make up your main army

[@evilvitamin]

…that’s a LOT of unique ship buffs. Combined with what we know of the DLC revising the dock, is anyone else expecting a dock/water rework to the base game in the near future?

[@kirtanamrita2302]

I hope so, water is so boring as it stands.

[@alphaaether597]

Khmer are the biggest winner with this patch. Great elephants that have greater conversion resistance, arguably the best scorpion civ that'll now have ballistics with double crossbow, and Ballista Elephants with ballistics. Biggest loser are Romans as they are an underutilized civ due to other civs doing what they do but better on all maps, and now have no second civ bonus it seems.

[@joshuastanaland7099]

I agree, elephants are so horrible because they are punished so bad by monks. It's worse than halb vs light cav.

[@quecobpt]

Khmer and malay.

[@stefanlindahl8121]

Agreed

[@jasonsmith1950]

What Romans do, they still do well. They still have the discount on their scorpions (still much easier for them to mass scorpions than it is for the Khmer, so I think Romans are still the better scorpion civ, though it was debatable even before the patch), they still have a UT increasing scorpion attack speed, and they still have their very strong 5% economy bonus. They're still very strong in Feudal age (easily top-tier). And they're still great in team games where allies can cover their weaknesses. Ballistics on scorpions being made general (rather than a Roman-only thing) isn't going to weaken Romans, it just makes every other civ a little bit better (but since most tend not to use scorpions, it's not much of a buff). The biggest limitation to Romans is the relatively pricey DLC they're gated behind. In AoE stat's pick rates, Romans are above most of the other DLC civs (exceptions being Bohemians in team games and 1v1, and Georgians in 1v1) and above Burmese. Though Khmer are a big winner of this patch. Though I think Bengalis also benefit big-time (their battle elephants will take forever to convert).

[@spinyslasher6586]

Phosphoru bouta cook hard with Khmer scorpion rush.

[@edwinpoon]

Rome still has the 60% gold discount for their 'Ballistas'.😊

[@mihailkondov4773]

It wouldn't be an aoe2 patch without the classic "fixed pathing, this time for real" note

[@rovsea-3761]

Not sure if you noticed, you can shift set waypoints for units produced out of buildings to follow, which seems to be a somewhat major quality of life change as well.

[@tmtreat]

Yep this is a really big one in my opinion. Being able to have new units head to the front while avoiding a known hazard could come in quite handy

[@tokagerkun]

They really needed to nerf market because Dauts winstreak too high.

[@ATrustInThrust]

Yo now my ethiopian torsion engine scorpion play on arena will be even more busted

[@KmartKingpin]

Been playing the poles today in solo ranked. Feels good! Those early calv rushes hit hard

[@jorgemanzano_]

An idea to improve the random civ pool: make it a civ playlist editor where you can create different pools. For example: in one game I might want to play with an archers civs pool, and the next game with a cavalery civs pool. If you allow to make different pools that you can save that would be even better! what do you think?

[@emarz4697]

This was something a lot of people suggested along with the custom random civ feature. Shame to see them implement custom random civs without playlists. Hope they would consider reviewing the system as you suggested.

[@justlolit]

I like the changes to scorpions, elphants and rams, buff least used units. For scorpions I think a good Bonus for them would be increase speed by a little and decrease its collision. When i have played with them you need a death ball but they bump into everything. Castile age ram could be cheaper as well. Rams are next to inf for destroying castiles, meansing just go imp and tib or bombarb.

[@minikawildflower]

The custom thing is GREAT for me as a 1200 ELO player where I'm familiar with a good amount of the civs, but really struggle if I get one of the ones I have no idea how to play. I'm sure my opponents will benefit from that as well, but I think it will make for better games where we both know what we're doing.

[@nathanjohnson6613]

Nice! I have a big job interview tomorrow. This is exactly what I needed to keep me going

[@pcwildcat]

Staying up all night playing aoe2 shows them how dedicated you can be.

[@LordZaamus]

But most importantly... I can see some space for five new civs there in the civ selection screen.

[@joshsa4935]

Random pool is huge for team games. Now you can randomize an archer or cav civ!

[@yahm0n]

Depending on your eco techs, the market change is between 215 and 531 gold nerf to Saracens optimal market play.

[@bad_manbot]

imo market rates should be worse in earlier ages and then change a little bit with each age upgrade

[@krystofcisar469]

naaah. selling wood early is only thing i can staycompetetive :D

[@tonybelgiony2884]

I knew Dravidian suck but I didn't know Theresa died

[@annaairahala9462]

I don't think ballista elephants getting ballistics will really affect much. Their counters of rams and mangos already don't care to dodge. I think what it will affect most is charging cav, since you won't be able to go to the side a bit to dodge bolts anymore

[@fernanzabalalodoli]

I wanted some buff to bulgarians though, also, bengali elephants will be impossible to convert 11

[@chilidoghamsalad9952]

yeah with no dev or faith upgrade its gonna be a 6-7 second MINIMUM... i think @ 10 seconds you HAVE to convert.

[@joshuastanaland7099]

Yes, I've been saying all Bulgs need is Xbow, not a huge buff a al but would be great.

[@zxylo786]

You will need to use the pokey pokey sticks on them yes or yes.

[@TheYak2266]

are scorpions affected by ballistics or just heavy scorpions? it seems like just heavy scorps

[@tmtreat]

I think you can read "(heavy) scorpions" as "scorpions and heavy scorpions"

[@TheYak2266]

@@tmtreat thank you

[@ltrt6975]

@@tmtreatI disagree. I think the (heavy) predominate indicates that it only affects the heavy version. Same as when you see a buff being given to a (Elite) UU which the regular version doesn’t get

[@attilathechilla.1383]

The Romans only benefit now to their scorpions is that their base scopions benefit from ballistics while regular scorpions have to be upgraded to heavy scorpions before they are affected by ballistics also the ballista elephants look like they have to be elite before they benefit from ballistics. Maybe one thing they can do to benefit the Romans is giving them ballistics for free and maybe making the heavy scorpion upgrade cheaper.

[@zxylo786]

Scorpions affected by ballistics is insane imo

[@Progeusz-]

Wow I'm super impressed. Very open-minded reaction. I agree with you T90, a lot of those changes are great, some may seem weird but they do go in the right direction and it's worth checking out how they will affect the meta.

[@fsdfmsbcxx]

I like the Ballistics Upgrade for Scorpions, because without Ballistics they miss almost every shot unless the units walk a straight line towards them

[@thepersonwhocomentz]

Bet you anything Phosphoru is already 2 steps ahead of these patch notes salivating at the prospect of buffed scorps lol

[@the_SolLoser]

The waypoints for production and garrisoned buildings is awesome! That'll be huge once players find it.

[@Beef410]

Hoping the ballistics scorps will open up infantry play as many infantry civs have siege bonuses and scorps that hit can effectively deal with counters archer/CA

[@MrDNWave]

The organ guns increase in creation time may help to reduce Phosphorus type strategies, but doesnt solve the underlying issue of high DPS with essentially AOE-type damage. Since this thing has 7 optical guns and 4 projectiles, it should have a reload time close to 4 times other gunpowder units...

[@the_snobot]

Me: Reads that scorpions are going to benefit from Ballistics Me: thinks "I wonder what Romans will get to make up for that" Me: is disappointed, yet unsurprised that they got nothing.

[@Trojan_Hell]

I don't think it's all scorpions though. I think T90 may have misread it, cause it had (heavy) scorpions and (elite) balista elephant. So civs which don't get the upgraded versions won't be impacted?

[@TheAmazingKoalaDolphin]

@@Trojan_Hell both normal and heavy scorpions are going to be affected by ballistics.

[@the_snobot]

@@Trojan_Hell I interpret the parentheses as meaning it applies to both the regular & upgraded versions; if they meant for it to only apply to the upgraded ones they would have omitted the parentheses completely.

[@nathanmecham9016]

I have been wanting the custom civ pool for SO LONG!!!

[@MathMagician93]

Devs: Crossbows are kinda weak right now => makes them 25 gold cheaper. Also devs: Scorpions are kinda weak right now => BALLISTICS. Just make a BIGGER crossbow!

[@spudjiii]

I think balistics on scorps will be really useful when making them as a counter to CA, I guess it makes less of a difference v melee units that should be moving more or less towards then anyway

[@TheBikeOnTheMoon]

still no infantry buff after all the threads on forum...

[@sam4secretary]

to round out the top row, I'd love to see a "Age of Conquerors Civs" button added.

[@tonybelgiony2884]

shift to give a route to spawning units is amazing

[@林堅欣]

the custom civ pool is what i've wanted for a long time ago. I hardly play ranked game though.

[@gregor9921]

Yoo, Erich Müller at 2:50 , really nice streamer 🤗

[@JhoferGamer]

that new civ selection thing is really cool

[@mertyilm_z]

Nice thumbnail style

[@iamUglie]

❤

[@ToTeRsGaming]

I guess I will play only Khmer from now on... No nerf to chinese and mongols is crazy to me.

[@TuoDev]

No mention of waypoints for buildings nor the trade cart improvement?

[@pakumies]

With this scorpion buff infantry is dead. They should rebalance it so that militia line is basically a cheap filler unit you can get fast as a meatshield & spear and skirm counter. Lower the damage, lower the health, ever so slightly buff movement speed, make gold cost minimal, add a small bonus damage against buildings. Lower man-at-arms and longsword upgrade cost and research time. Lower the training time. Make champion an upgrade only select infantry civs get, together with gambesons, supplies, and arson. Researching champion and all the other techs should then make this filler unit into a real powerhouse. Still easily countered by mass arbs or a handful of siege behind cover, but they shred anything else, buildings included. If a civ has access to champions you then know that they're gonna be a powerhouse if they get all the upgrades late imperial. Make the champion upgrade slow to research and expensive, similar to paladin. This way the militia line is good to mix in to feudal armies for any generic civ, or as a unit to stabilize your base if you lost a fight and need units quickly, or indeed as a low-commitment halb counter. Meanwhile for civs like Goths and Slavs they can be a viable late-game powerhouse unit if they can get all the upgrades and time it so the enemy hasn't already fielded a counter (like heavy scorps with ballistics).

[@b.clarenc9517]

Is there anything about the unit-stuck-in-building-corner bug?

[@Zeru.]

I love seeing this game being supported so much. Awesome devs!

[@iroor]

Soo... is the standground attack with cav still a thing?

[@OwenLeBlanc-l7h]

It's a bit sad that they haven't given much help to the melee civilizations. If anything this patch might nail in the coffin melee by effectively removing a bonus from the Romans.

[@MuahMan]

I almost never see archers anymore, unless they are horse archers. Everyone goes with gunpowder units instead of archers.

[@arthurkraft5610]

Did you mention that you can now use waypoints for units when they are created?

[@karlheber23]

S tier unit (archer) AoE2 devs: needs buff D- tier unit (swordsman line) AoE2 devs: its fine

[@KenanCakr]

Fawing just one civ for custom pool is not a good idea, you create a game with random civ selection and one choose the civ he wants, it needs to be restricted for example five civ in the pool at least, can be more but no less..

[@Goatcha_M]

I'd be happier of they removed auto-farm placement and instead made the villagers less likely to kill more than one sheep at a time.

[@lane_m]

New civ stuff is rad

[@Walpurgisnackt]

I like the idea of giving scorpions something but I agree I'm not sure if this is what to do with them

[@sp4tz339]

That ballista elephant buff is way to strong. If you mass them in lower elo, you cant do anything about it. The only way is to play siege onager, but it takes so long to get to them and mass them, expensive too. I can life with that scorpion buff, because heavy scorpion is kinda rare to see. But ballista elephants need a rework or nerf them, so you cant mass them to easy. Iam at 1200 elo and that is my most hated and unfun unit to play against.

[@FilipArlet]

Romans should at least get free or discounted ballistics...

[@DocMaggie]

Ballistics Scorpions is an attempt to stop the CA meta xD

[@doubt2474]

it's a good patch for me i guess, but i think if they really want to "balance/nerf" hunnic horse which is funny, i guess it should be only for "scouting" purpose, i mean can't get sheep and only to reveal the part of map and still need to manually using vills or other "humanoid" unit to take the sheep

[@gedmerrilin9010]

buffed scorpions will make cav archer raids in mid-late castle so much weaker

[@t.a.2202]

Erich „the Great“ Müller 💪🏼

[@Someoneoutthere395]

Worst part is I had a great game last night or maybe 2 nights ago and I can't replay it :( happens so often when's there's a patch all replays are dead

[@acoatlzero]

Aztecs will be back on top civs after that

[@KmartKingpin]

@@acoatlzero I doubt it, infantry kind of sucks. They're tracking and movement speed makes them unenjoyable

[@Progeusz-]

No they won't. They will still be the worst meso. They simply won't be left behind as much.

[@Jokel2121]

Legendary Erich Müller 😂 Love that dude 💪🏻

[@PanoramicVue]

Wonder when the last patch for Teutons was, I don't think they have been touched for the longest time. Just a fantastic civ.

[@PanoramicVue]

But these ballistics are gonna be a MASSIVE game changer.

[@ivanstrydom8417]

I love the Polish added bonus.

[@docsurely6305]

What about the patrol shenanigans that Hera was doing in the Red Bull final? He was crushing halberdier with cavalry. Is that fixed, or can we expect 3 more months of that nonsense?

[@krystofcisar469]

wasnt he just playing georgians?

[@axxy6879]

@@krystofcisar469 he was playing franks

[@leehector1653]

Am I missing something or is the ballistics for scorpions not meant to be a direct response to the cav archer meta?

[@nathanlovell2913]

You could already do auto farms around TC on console I have been doing it for months

[@spiffs2septims730]

The Romans need a new bonus and a cost reduction to the unique tech. Also, with all the power creep over the years, its time to give Britons Thumb Ring.

[@synergygaming65]

Seems like they can't make up their mind with ranged units; increasing the xbow and arb price, to only reduce it today.

[@ryans8122]

Scorpions go brrr

[@SomaCoyote-z8l]

Palisade gate buff lets gooo

[@AnimeFan-dl4qd]

New aoe 2 patch ->first multiplayer game crashed

[@420Pezz-qc4nt]

as Roman main, i worry about the incoming nerfs

[@arn0000]

i am 90% sure i just played a game with the new update and the turtle ship cost was unchanged.... wtf

[@FRANCKtheTANK01]

Elite, and Heavfy blaistas only benefits from Baliistic?

[@curlywhites]

No. Using parenthesis was just a way to include both regular and elite.

[@mirliva1978]

Hey t90 you should make a video about new possible aoe 2 civ

[@giangargo669]

romans should have gotten sanctity or bracer as a replacement

[@hafor2846]

Oh come on, I was just getting good at playing Romans...

[@smitealot_aoe]

That scout clip 11 hahahahahaha

[@YourFBIagent118]

Romans should get bracer and a slinger

[@krystofcisar469]

iterally every civ should have bracer and slinger :D

[@IamLastRights]

No thump on the Tarkan???

[@brammiddelkamp1861]

Did not fix the cavalry patrolling bug

[@pacman_pol_pl_polska]

Feature

[@husainjam]

If RBW was after this patch larry would be in the final losing to him

[@Kumarinko]

No more forest nothing mayans!

[@Someoneoutthere395]

I feel this makes my Bulgarians better, cheaper heavy scorp upgrade 🤷‍♂️

[@cankar6315]

Aoe2 entered siege age

[@husainjam]

All balance changes were ok but i m sure at my elo scorps will be unstoppable. Atleast give some alternative to stop this scorp army. Like give some civ bonus or attack bonus versus tech versus siege in general or scorps or something to balance it. Scorps r going to be insane and i can see next few games people just going for mass scorps and they ll be unstoppable once they reach a certain number.

[@husainjam]

Also the Ballistas were already too strong in TGs and now they will be even stronger. My main strat to counter this was monks and now monks will just die to early ballistics. I hope it isnt too bad. And we can figure out ways to keep this change in the game and not just gg when u see Khmer

[@Coloscopix]

2 mangonels still kill an army of scorp.

[@krystofcisar469]

not really a problem bcs 1 mango still counter 10 scorps.

[@forsakenquery]

I never play random just cuz I never ever want to play bengalis or Sicilians

[@teena-tz7lr]

LOL decreasing the xbow research is a very stupid change. they were already op and heavily used because of this and now are even more so. great.

[@markluk8490]

Hate the ballistic scorpion, other than that, all good.

[@jackrivero-guy6542]

T90 My game won't work now, D': the patch has killed me

[@Arthurroo00]

Its gonna be the same as with league of legends - Infinite balance patches, I hope im not right

[@my-handle-r9b]

"fixed" git commit and push !

[@Frckin]

Infantry buff when?

[@M3LKS]

me still waiting for infantry buffs: 💀

[@krystofcisar469]

it was done last patch...