New Armored Core 6 Patch! | 1.07.2 | It Doesn't Make Sense

[@skeltaldelegate5408]

People forget that heavies never left the top spot in the meta and in needing to always find something new to blame, they turn their attention to lightweight builds despite them being severely handicapped this generation.

[@BigYabai]

been playing a ton of ACV and ACVD lately and OH MY GOD I forgot how good it felt to have actually viable lightweights that can run laps around heavies without the heavy tracking them with perfect hard lock

[@skeltaldelegate5408]

@linkkicksu and if that wasn't enough, I discovered that the range in speed between the heaviest and lightest builds in AC4A compared to the ranges in AC6 shrunk by about 50% despite the EHP gap (AP+Def) between games only dropping by about 5%. In other words, LWs are slower AND more frail than ever, and that's not even accounting for hard lock OR a lack of flares.

[@shizzy7480]

It's funny how every duel pistol cqc LW has been nerfed to the ground, but duel zimm/lrb HW's can run a muck for 5 season's straight. The community keeps blabbing on about indirect nerfs when the weapons in question need a literal direct nerf. LRB's impact/ impact accum turning it into a raw damage weapon, as it stands running two of them is enough to still pop stagger on certain AC's. Zimmerman Needs a weight increase, every weight class can run them which leaves more room for stat dense frame parts

[@nlm7033]

FromSoft: "They were having fun with pistols and we took that personally."

[@dsaBOSS]

RIP Ducketts: September 2024 - October 2024 Even Etsujin had a full season to shine.

[@joeyohannes]

Yeup

[@nathanpapp432]

The Ducketts didnt need the buff they got in 1.07.

[@TheRoyalSkies]

Personally I think the Duckett nerf is fine. It was the ONLY weapon I was seeing people online using once you got to S. If you wanted to stagger quickly, there really was no reason to use anything else aside from maybe Zimms. I still think Zimms need a nerf though. Weapons in this game usually fall into 4 categories. 1: build stagger, 2: do damage, 3 keep stagger from falling off, or 4: punish. But, the Zimms do literally all of the above. That's why having just 2 zimms + shield is enough to win at top level. With the duckets you still needed to dedicate 1 slot to a punish weapon. Which means you couldn't use a shield and Duckets together effectively. But, because zimms are a stagger + punish in 1. You can have your shield (Defense), ranged on Back-R, and with 2 Zims you have your stagger and your punish all in 1 build. And, don't even get me started on the LRB, it's similar to the Zim in that it builds stagger, is a hard punish, and even worse has net code priority so you can't reliably dodge it. Hope they nerf the speed of heavies too. Everything about my AC get's better when I'm heavier, and my speed only drops like maybe 20 points while I get +300 stability, 1.5x armor defense. It's ridiculous how little consequences there are to throwing heavy weapons onto your AC as long as you stay below arbitrary weight classes.

[@life_is_gr8]

Double zimm is aids

[@emanuelelamattina4264]

Zimms have network priority too. Every hand weapon, all shoulder cannons and truenos are attacker side. Lrb has just a bigger hitbox thats why it hits more often than a ransetsu rf. Also nerfing zimms and lrb is risky, especially lrb is what is keeping kites in a sort of check especially after etsujin nerf. Kiri kite especially would become a huge problem.

[@Artan9000]

Hearing that the ducketts were the only weapon you saw is very bizarre. Yeah at the start a lot of people were trying them out but there were FAR from dominant. Everyone was still on zimms, etsus, LRBs, and the usual suspects, with ducketts finally seeing some use. The duckett nerf was unjustified, the main reason ducketts finally saw use was because they buffed the arms so Basho and Lamm arms weren’t the only arms with melee specialization worth something. That and the ocellus nerf meant basho arms weren’t as dominant as before. The buff to ducketts was minimal and wasn’t to the stats it actually needed. Projectile speed was the only thing that the ducketts really needed to be in the higher tier of weapons, play duck blade and you will quickly realize how bad they are against kites or players that are good with movement, it’s abysmal. Ducketts are great against heavy weights but struggle to remain consistent against other matchups.

[@bloodmoon0746]

I think the handguns and zimms could be easier to manage if they nerfed the Accumulative Impact. Seems like a fair trade to me. If individual shots have high stagger, it shouldn't be an eternity before it drops off again

[@CrimFuryX]

Glad to help Cleric!

[@InAVanByTheRivr]

The problem fromsoft keeps missing with BVO, and all its iterations by patch (etsijin, ducket etc.) is that ALL these weapon classes that have high fire rate AND the goal of stagger buildup, should be primarily accumulative impact focused. They should not have the same ratio of impact/accumulative impact as shotguns ie 2 to 1. This is also the reason shields are so weak against them when they should be counters. Globally Reducing their impact to equal 125% of their current accum impact would solve all of this without over nerfing. The reason 2x duckets are broken is that they put out 1071 impact PER SECOND, while being steady and reliable hits This beats the minigun handidly, and the zimmerman deapite the zimm being coumterable with good dodges/shields

[@Agent_Frank_Horrigan]

Bro, i dont even play pvp and this patch screwed me. I love light builds, and I did double Duckett. Now its goofed up. This explains why I couldnt hit basic mts and helicopters from 100m away as usual. This bugs me so much

[@cerassplays6196]

This is the worst patch we've gotten in terms of how nothing it was.

[@calangel]

To be honest, other than a build using MIND ALPHA or something heavier with higher recoild control, I can't see the DUCKETT being used anywhere. Maybe Bake Cakes dual DUCKETT dual Sweet 16 punish build will still use them...

[@haxor7372]

Still no Zimmerman nerfs? My fellow Ravens, I’m about to commit indiscriminate arson if FromSoft doesn’t do it before Armored Core VII

[@matthewhanson498]

Hot take: add i frames after dodge in online play. A mini gun a Morley the coral oscillator, and orbit pods on a mid heavy has been my main load out since 1.04 I think. I mostly like the games balance right now, I play against and with a large variety of mechs and styles. And win or lose mostly based on skill. Some builds are crutch but very unimaginative to play so not tough to outwit. It’s mostly good but maybe a few i frames to make the netcode more tolerable.

[@nurglematthew]

Hottest Halloween Goss to date!! 🎃 cheers !

[@theazuredemon4854]

The power nerf on Ducketts would have made more sense if they buffed the Ideal/Effective range to be about the same as the Scudder/Turner or at the very least SLIGHTLY worse than Scudder/Turner.

[@Armored_Core_Guy]

I've seen people comment about the Ducketts not being used that much for meta but on xbox I have seen nothing but ultra lightweight dual wield duckett(with no back weapons) builds in pvp for like 80% of the games. They're way too fast to get near them, and they are kind of dominating most non meta builds. so, I think the point of the nerf is to force them to closer ranges.

[@Fatlumpthe1st]

I was seeing a similar thing on PS5, absolutely loads of Ducketts all over the place and they were absolutely destroying me in pretty much every combo I saw them in. I'm not the best player so don't take my word for it but it felt even more oppressive than Zimms to me 😅 Though I thought the buff was odd in the first place, I used to run Ducketts on my main mech back when BVO was super popular and I could beat em very consistently, so my impression was that they were already great

[@apophisstr6719]

@@Fatlumpthe1st Because at least you could still somewhat dodge Zimms shot with perfect timing (even with a sluggish AC), against Ducketts you just basically eat all of it if your speed isn't above a certain level. Honestly, it was stupid to just buff more weapons to basically does the same exact thing as what the meta was doing, instead they should've focus on nerfing the biggest offenders.

[@bvc5320]

​@@apophisstr6719 They have to do both. Clamp down on the biggest offenders, and buff heavily underperforming weapons.

[@skeltaldelegate5408]

Heavy quad AB stomps any LW build due to the small difference in actual speed relative to previous generations.

[@calangel]

Bingo, ​@@skeltaldelegate5408. Add to the fact that a LW is slower backpedaling (370 forward speed gets you 340 backpedaling) from the heavy than he is approaching, and you get a situation where the LW has no choice but to try to brawl with an AC with higher AP, defenses, stability, and likely heavier weaponry.

[@TylorBennett]

I think they must have changed something in addition to the patch notes. Maybe I'm crazy but I have like 200 hours on one AC. Now granted, I haven't played in a while so it's possible I'm imagining things. But I'm almost certain my AC had around 3500 Energy Supply Efficiency. Now I'm over 4000.

[@maybebirb]

The LRB and Basho have been on my main PVE build since day 1 (believe it or not, I thought Basho looked cool), and I'm still VERY confused they aren't nerfing either of them

[@iwhbydbutthedogbeatmeovert7421]

The ocellus nerf did it’s job to reign in basho, no idea why lrb madness is allowed to continue. Maybe the jp fanbase wants a classic style karasawa-like to remain in the game.

[@charlesballiet7074]

really your gonna hate on the basho arms the arms with the weakest weapon tracking so that every weapon misses lightweights?! basho needs to be stat dense as its the melee arms of choice and melee is stance based and super close range meaning your taking whopping amounts of damage for every attack attempted

[@TeamKhandiKhane]

I think everyone looking into the future "DLC" possibility here is actually quite relevant given the 1.07/.1/.2 patches especially. The fact none of those patches seem "substantial" or seem to be off center probably means they're balancing things for the future rather than the now. That'd be my semi-educated guess anyway. None of this is going to matter however unless they do something about the overall Weight scale and netcode of the game.

[@zechsmarquis]

I wonder if the patch is applied the ACs fought in Story missions and Arena mode? Because it just looks like a PVP focus patch seems to interfere with the PVE element, When facing off against multiple enemy ACs eg. Defend the Dam complex Wher starting with 2 then Nightfall shows up for a potential 3 on 1 encounter.

[@megatrit1]

Buff the turner and rensestsu AR for christ sakes

[@interwebrando135]

All the rifles need buffed imo

[@megatrit1]

@@interwebrando135 tbh yah.

[@interwebrando135]

@@megatrit1 it's wild that for a long time, the Etsujin was the best AR in the game, even though it's an SMG lol

[@megatrit1]

@@interwebrando135 lmao yah, it made no sense to me. Game has 4 rifles and all but one of them is actually okay. Yet the ak-47u looking thing just outstrips all 4 of them because of the sheer rate of fire that little machine pistol has. Duckets are absolute cancer rn even with this patch on xbox. Nothing but LW ducket melee punish users now in pvp.

[@Nofly-r5w]

@@interwebrando135machine guns are stewing in hell right now due to how useless they are

[@Yuronymous]

I wonder if they're making changes in light of a DLC? 👀👀👀👀

[@calangel]

I'll tell you, I modified my rifle build to use DUCKETT with HARRIS from previous rocking dual RANSETSU. It works better up close than before. It was base on a top ranking LW on PC. As soon as I was getting comfortable...BAM! Nerf hammer knocks DUCKETT out of use with the build. Now I use ETSUJIN with HARRIS, which is better against faster ACs and for applying sustained pressure. Another plus is that it is harder for the opponent to juke.

[@acetraker1988]

I find it stupid that we can't have nice things any more and this game gets stupid pvp nerfs. ACFA at least let you choose to play on previous patches so that you don't have to deal with nerf or changing stats. It is lunacy for a single player game.

[@bruhtholemew]

I absolutely hate when PvP affects SP stuff. I've seen entire weapons and items get destroyed because of PvP in souls games.

[@dranoelarios4788]

Viento: Join the club! Estu: 😅 Duck: 😭

[@Sickl3c3ll]

Ducket bros on suicide watch lmfao

[@xgalex6191]

LRB, Basho arms and Nebula need to be nerfed slightly, but I don't know if we'll ever see it.

[@unepomme1375]

Damn that sucks. I was mainly using double ducket in pve Played a bit of pvp with it and it wasn't overpowered or anything, i don't understand the nerf

[@WHINE9]

Im not too suprised about them doing this, i think i know what they're on about. But i wont say anything about it!

[@ColtonGamingTV]

Ducketts were my favorite weapons ever since I first started playing this game on release and I hate seeing them in this state esp. when lrb and zimms are bigger offenders than ducketts ever were. Zimms were always better but at least with the ducketts you could compete against them.

[@dmora2386]

That...seems like an oopsie? Why would they slightly buff it, then a couple months later nerf it into oblivion. That seems unintentional.

[@charlesballiet7074]

scudder supremacy

[@raymondlee5754]

I compared the Duckett to the Coquillett using your formula, and it looks like the Duckett deals about 35% more damage. I did the same with the recoil, and the result is almost identical. That being said, I'm not sure if the difference in damage should equate to the same in recoil, since the Duckett has a much longer barrel. Longer barrel means more weight at the end, which means less recoil.

[@doomtrigger]

I stopped playing do to how everything just gets nerfed to where im force to use the same thing as everyone else

[@petercottantail7850]

not confusing at all actually, jp content i watch it was the new esugens, personally i think the dumbfounding thing is they let certain weapons get to where they sre without considering why they are there to begin with, so many things get nerfed exclusively because of tetra legs, ehy don't they make terra legs have side effects with fhe weapons instead of ruining it for everyone else? probably cause its easier, the duckets needed some help, they went over board on 7.1 imo, just needed to bring down the esugens a bit, help the weaker ones a bit, tweak the recoil a lot and you'd get verity. the one behind balance seems to be vulnerable to social influence instead of knowing how the game works from within, thats the only take away i get from these patches. and the inability to fix certain mechanics so they continue to tweek the weapons instead of fixing the root issues which will never end. but tldr duckets were meta cause nothing else that builds stagger besides shottys were

[@Beastly_Genius]

Every rifle, plasma missiles, vertical missiles, songbirds, & handheld grenade launchers need to be buffed since those are the least used weapons Basho arms & LBR should be nerfed a little & terminal armor needs to be removed

[@CrashD6]

FromSoftware hates lightweights

[@brwnsugar2226]

I've haven't played armored core pvp (especially ac6) before but I keep seeing this recurring dilemma between LWs vs HWs. And one of my pressing questions being; Why do Lightweight players want other ACs that are comparably heavier to them to have a net zero chance of winning? Do they want an AC game that's only Lightweights?

[@Plight_]

What exactly are you talking about? Light weights lose out to zims every time. It's always been that way

[@brwnsugar2226]

@Plight_ What I'm talking about is if the game is horribly balanced and not fun in favor of HWs; why do LW players think that if it did so for them it would be "more balanced"? This is moreso a response to LW players gleefully going "In this AC game it was more fun when MY playstyle was more readily abusable and HWS had little to no way to respond back or possibly win! This is how AC6 should play like!" It's just kinda dumb and short-sighted to make heavier legs type near useless to compensate for bad game fundamentals.

[@superdupertwan6198]

@@brwnsugar2226i agree lw players wanted to abuse stuff but a lot of us just want to be able to go fast and have a chance of winning. hw’s have pretty much been busted since release while lightweights are kinda mid or used for kiting or some other gimmick build

[@targetexx]

my copium is that they are adding more parts and the duckets were too powerfull with them

[@frostymourne867]

They need to nerf zimms again for a start.

[@MEATOGRE]

Gotta slap that Duckett back down, was getting close to being real competition to the Zimm. Goofball move.

[@morepenguins6247]

They.. nerfed the only competitor to Zimm. Again. And they still haven't nerfed Zimm? Or buffed Nachtreiher arms? Or buffed Ransetsu-AR? EDIT: Or nerfed Basho arms?

[@interwebrando135]

Basho arms need no nerf imo. Maybe to AP or defenses, but not to the melee damage modifier

[@Plus_Escapee]

@@interwebrando135 Indeed, they have way too much AP for the weight class. I think making them heavier would be the right move, it makes no sense for bulky looking, high AP arms to be so light while also having such high melee attack. A weight nerf is the most appropriate imo.

[@itishyphenated]

Basho and zimms have already both been nerfed

[@morepenguins6247]

@@interwebrando135 No, they need a weight nerf. They're almost 1k weight lighter than Nachtreiher.

[@bruhtholemew]

Fuck nerfs. Buff everything else. Rifles suck.

[@Zenith-ph7eb]

The ducketts were cancer. Sorry not sorry lol

[@dmora2386]

PS I don't wanna rush them or anything, but damn man, why paid DLC taking so long!? Yes, I'll pay. I support studios and devs that put out solid products. ps I'll also take adding more bosses to the arena for single player. I'll fight the bots, ya'll can PVP each other all day, Ill stay in my little corner and fight the computer.

[@Thisisthegreatestatofalltime]

I highly doubt it’ll get paid dlc, a sequel is much more likely

[@jethrodark2372]

Tbf Elden Rings DLC didn't come out till it was out for 2 years and 3-4 months. AC6 isn't 2 years old till August 2025, and Nov 2025 it will be 2 years 3 months. So if AC6 follows a similar DLC launch, you won't see DLC for it till late 2025 or early 2026. And that's if they even do a DLC.

[@jethrodark2372]

​@@Thisisthegreatestatofalltime Not really, Look at previous AC games. For example AC2 then AC2: Another Age ect. AC2: Another Age is a Expansion to AC2. Back then DLC wasn't a thing so they did expansion games. So we might get a huge DLC like Shadow of the Eldtree. Before we get a AC7, the DLC will function as a expansion like previous AC games.

[@Thisisthegreatestatofalltime]

@@jethrodark2372 Elden Ring sold like 5x more and the dlc is nearly if not straight up the length of a whole playthrough of AC6

[@jethrodark2372]

@@Thisisthegreatestatofalltime And your point is....? That doesn't mean it won't get DLC. Also AC6 isn't even made by the same team that made Elden Ring.

[@AeroWraith901]

I think the duckett nerf is manageable...but it is pretty odd. Yes ducketts did surge up in usage after it got buffed, but I really don't think it was all that oppressive to nerf it one patch later. Especially when it still suffered issues such as rough projectile speed, and the effective range being rough against heavier builds. Still tho, manageable nerf, the recoil nerf enforces pacing the shots with ducketts which is something that should be done with anyway but it punishes the rapid fire more now. Attack power nerf wasn't really necessary since it's mostly a stagger tool rather than damage. Reload time nerf is ok considering it did get buffed a bit in the mag. I still love using ducketts like I always have before, but again, odd to nerf it down so soon when I think there's other outliers that need looking at further

[@Plus_Escapee]

The recoil nerf is also an impact nerf. I don't understand why they gave it a triple nerf instead of just nerfing recoil, because the recoil at least makes sense because they're large magnum pistols.

[@azurespectrum1985]

I'm still crying over the siege missile nerf, the APERATRIF. You can dodge it now by moving with a boost speed above 180. Just moving btw not QB

[@cerassplays6196]

Always been that way

[@Tron1110]

I think the patch wasnt great but it's not one of those "offensively bad" patches (some of splatoon 2s patches during 5.0.0>5.5.0 come to mind)

[@Tron1110]

Not great but some of the changes outside of the unnessasary duck nerf where neat

[@itishyphenated]

Double Duckets are a low skill high result build. Seeing them moved to sidearm only created a better ranked environment. It was a good patch.

[@trutyatces8699]

In short, you couldn’t simply adjust to this meta to beat the duckets you knew you’d run into. You just called the game unbalanced because your favorite gun wasn’t effective.

[@Nightmareof94]

Pvp ruined this game

[@Thisisthegreatestatofalltime]

Every Armored Core has pvp, that and the base game is so incredibly easy that it makes experimenting pointless in pve. On my first playthrough I literally ran through the entire game with the literal first build I made and the only hard part was balteus (which was mainly me just having a poor strategy for that fight).

[@life_is_gr8]

Too far brov

[@DaemonAlucard]

Most used weapons get nerfed. Duckett was overused

[@trutyatces8699]

Which is a stupid metric to follow. It’s like genuinely trusting Rotten Tomatoes to give you the best movies when it’s just everyone agreeing it’s a 6/10. The top circles determine the right to ban something, not the wave of new players thinking it’s the best because it was talked about the most in patch notes discussions.

[@bruhtholemew]

That's the same logic that the Helldivers 2 devs used and it almost killed their game.

[@Thisisthegreatestatofalltime]

Yet lrb and zimms is untouched. If anything needs a nerf it’s the lrb