New Civs Duel! Armenians vs Georgians

The Mountain Royals just released and we're being graced with these beautiful matches between the new civs!
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[@johnfstockland]

After watching all those tiny map games this map suddenly seems huge.

[@MrAbgeBrandt]

I feel like the novelty of those wore off fast :s

[@cja1374]

@@MrAbgeBrandt I quite like them still, and the videos/streams of them must be doing well since t90 keeps doing them. They don't all feel the same - at least not yet. I can see how some might have got bored of them though.

[@Madoxbeatbox]

and so slow😂

[@allensellers1911]

As the warrior priest gets older, he becomes wiser and more attuned with his faith; this gives him the devotion required to convert enemies.

[@rovsea-3761]

Important to note that composite bowmen don't ignore the armor of buildings, ships, or siege. Mangonels and onagers are going to be some of the best counters to composite bowmen.

[@alexanderwyattberg]

“Also the infantry for the Armenians gets extra line of sight. I don’t know how helpful that is, but I feel like that’s a bonus you might not really appreciate as a player, but it does help in ways you can’t really see.” Love when T90 does an unintentional irony! 29:44

[@mysteriousshadow395]

Yeah I noticed that too!

[@krystofmichajlovfrancisko8224]

I do t understand, can someone explain?

[@peterhodgson3696]

@@krystofmichajlovfrancisko8224 It's a bonus to vision: it helps you see; it's ironic that he said it helps you in ways you can't see. I see two threads of humor: that it's helping you see what you couldn't otherwise see(dad joke) or that the actual benefit of the bonus isn't the visibility, but that it improves pathing in engagements(zen).

[@joshmccraney4020]

Maybe those carts can have a "set" button added, where they then act as a building and can't be grouped with vils

[@HiroTeaShi]

Definitely wasn't expecting the game to turn out that way. Daut never disappoints

[@tacticalyeti007]

slight PTSD from Daut sending infantry into monks

[@Sids1192]

Hearttt kept sending his small groups of monaspa with large packs of light cav. I got the impression he didn't realise that the bonus damage only comes from the number of monaspa and *knights*. Don't think he ever actually got any attack bonuses, so would have been better just using knights instead.

[@teddyhaines6613]

Think he wanted to conserve his gold for monks, hand cannons and siege. The monaspas themselves are cheap on gold, so more affordable than knights.

[@Wanderer1258]

I have just tested a couple of things: 1) Q.: Can you convert a mule cart with a monk? A.: You need redemption, so they are treated as buildings in terms of convertions. I think it's rather weird that you can garrison them like a normal unit though, because it would be logical if they were treated the same way as a trebuchet. 2) Q.: Can you convert a war priest with a monk? A.: You need atonement, so war priests are treated as monks in terms of that. It's logical maybe, but I think it's makes them a bit overpowered though. They already have strong stats, can heal and haul relics and cost not so much. Their only major weakness is against light cavalry.

[@rbase96]

10:30 Ive been comparing Armenians to vikings. Great eco, usually played as an archer civ, mid/late game focus usually on infantry which is the strongest option. And both with a naval focus.

[@124085]

@@14augustneverforget Armenians also don't get thumb ring so they're more a like than you think.

[@T90Official]

Yeah vikings is a great comparison!

[@user-wx4jc6sq7z]

i added a separate comment but "great infantry&range UU from castle" is only 2 civs beside Armenians i think: Burmese and Malians

[@phoenix3992]

That yam-rant at the end was wild.

[@not_milk]

I love taking my convertible mule cart out on the weekend.

[@Jz4p]

Hardy definitely edited out that bit at the end. Totally good, no need to double check.

[@37Kilroy]

Totally agree the fortified churches look way scarier than they really are. Basically, just towers manned by monks rather than archers. They're just so big, for the books, I guess.

[@TheAmericanPrometheus]

25:06 was the make-or-break moment for red, it really felt like blue did everything right but just got steamrolled by red's sheer military production

[@T2266]

About the Persians architecture set: I'll say that the in-game Central Asian building set IS the IRL Persians architecture style.

[@tyranitararmaldo]

29:18 I would love for Persians to get the Central Asian architecture, because it's what they used. The Middle Eastern set that they currently use was "fine" in Age of Kings/HD, but now we have a set that is much better for them. It's weird how Byzantines (who have been in the game just as long as the Persians), Spanish and Vietnamese got theirs changed, but Persians did not. Fun fact, the buildings the Central Asian set is based on, were invented by the Persians. The Timurids (who you can see using them in Tamerlane's campaign) hired Persian architects to build them. Also cities like Samarkand and Bukhara, were built by the Persians.

[@FifinatorKlon]

Let's be honest. Nobody plays Persians to build castles since eles are unfortunately kinda useless until post imp when most games are already over.

[@SIGNOR-G]

But isnt the middle eastern architecture insoired by persia too? If i remember correctly they were for the arabs what the greeks were for the romans.

[@tyranitararmaldo]

@@SIGNOR-G some of the Middle Eastern set is (namely the Mosque). But the rest is a mix. E.g. the towers are all based on Ottoman designs. So as a hypothetical, the Middle Eastern set is like 20% Persian. But the Central Asian set is 100% Persian.

[@SIGNOR-G]

@@tyranitararmaldo i always forget that this game has more than 20 years on its back. Back then they all had the same architecture style and so the creators probably mixed arab, persian and turkish style to encoppass all civs.

[@tyranitararmaldo]

@@SIGNOR-G yup. There are other instances of this as well. For example. The Mesoamerican set is Aztec & Mayan for the Castle/Imperial Age, but the Feudal Age part is closer to Inca. The African set too is also a mix.

[@bow-fihiphop-yv7gx]

Simple tweak for the mule cart: lock/unlock location.

[@0507MAZ]

I honestly always love when t90 just babbling about random things like towards the end there. Its what makes me love t90 contents!

[@wicky7591]

Your commentary is excellent. Thanks to all the really cool players I’ve seen over the years on this channel too.

[@Renny_7777]

I think it looks like potatoes too, in the mule cart. You're not alone, T90 😂

[@hafor2846]

I like the themes of both civs, but if anything, mule carts should go to nomadic civs like Mongols or Huns. It fits their civilizations and Mongol hunt + cart and no houses and mobile ressource camps would fit very well...

[@alg7115]

I've always viewed the mongols civ as mid empire not nomad origins. Hence there style. Huns really need a rework plus new architecture.

[@teddyhaines6613]

I feel like giving Mongols mule carts would make them even more oppressive on hunt-heavy maps.

[@CaiRobinson]

Flavour wise yes, but balance wise there would likely be some problems

[@124085]

Mongols are already strong, while thematic, I feel you would have to take something away from them if you give them Mule Carts. Knights maybe?

[@SIGNOR-G]

Huns thiugh really fit the nomadic style and would be cool if the get the mule cart. The problem is how to balance them. Also it would be cool if they had a new architecture style.

[@vidiveniviciDCLXVI]

Apart from you Yamming on at the end great video.

[@steveschmitt6933]

Holly shiiit….age of mythology Norse!!!!??

[@ottovonbaden6353]

Hyped for Georgian Fortified Churches being paired with Polish Folworks in 10x Shared Civ Bonus mode.

[@Gogola2k]

Big Love From Georgia

[@SvanTowerMan]

Gamarjoba!

[@Gogola2k]

@@SvanTowerMan Gagimarjos !

[@SvanTowerMan]

@@Gogola2k Do you know any sites where I can learn Georgian quickly and effectively? I only know a few words and phrases at the moment.

[@jonmcninch]

"extra line of sight ... really helps in ways you can't see" Wouldn't that be the opposite, T90? 11

[@doctoraptor2982]

Been waiting for this❤❤❤

[@JohnSmith-nn1yk]

For Armenians it looks like it's going to be Composit bowmen and Champions as militia gets a hp bonus of like +30. So far that I've played they wreck and mixing in monks seems real tight.

[@LoseToMagda]

Could they pack/unpack the carts like trebs? Then you can't drag select when they are unpacked?

[@TakshakAKALali]

29:50 The line of Sight bonus helps in ways you can't really see 😂😂

[@sinakhodaie]

I'd love a convertible mule cart when I hit my mid-life crisis! 🙃

[@dembro27]

I like how the avatar next to both players in the scoreboard is a horse.

[@user-wx4jc6sq7z]

36:35 those are obviously bananas bro

[@michaelstrohmaier5456]

33:20 It would make sense that the mule card works the same for other civilizations, but who knows if "making sense" is part of the AoE Strategy.

[@kostadinpantev]

Is a mule cart a convertible or a sedan?

[@19Buster90]

All civs should have dedicated castles design

[@Mermaidkilla]

the ending was hilarious

[@dramirezfigueredo]

20:50 “the fortified church didn’t do much” after they kill like 15 halbediers at wood cost.😂😂😂

[@dramirezfigueredo]

Armenian are broken btw. An archer that ignores armor can easily dispatch paladins.

[@krityaan]

​​@@dramirezfigueredomaybe don't make paladins vs a civ that gets castle age halbs? Also no one calls gen xbows OP. Compies have the same counters as gen xbows.

[@dramirezfigueredo]

@@krityaan they destroy anything with a blacksmith armor upgrade. So, the standard skirmisher/cavalry counter is useless and the only real counter they have is siege.

[@krityaan]

@@dramirezfigueredo I'd advise trying to actually micro compies vs skirms once before you claim that skirms don't counter them. Compies have 1 lesser range, 2 lesser base attack, and no TR so a slower fire rate. So not only do they get flattened by rocks, they also can't match up vs any comparable archer. If you want to make cav work vs them, it's the same as wanting cav to work vs gen xbow. And a Cavalier mass will still take decent trades vs compies because no TR.

[@teddyhaines6613]

@@krityaan Way too many people call gen xbows OP in my experience. They act like Italians are one of those anti-cav civs like Hindustanis or Gurjaras.

[@MrPsilva95]

Persians totally could be Central Asia, I think it would be grteat because it's an amazing arch set that has only 2 civs. Also they could make a brand new one to be shared by Huns and Mongols

[@AsymptoteManuki]

mule is carrying sheep nuggets for the villagers that are working hard

[@MeanderingMikesManCave]

In the Mule Cart, it does look like Pears or Figs to me.

[@Coffee3553]

big love t90 x

[@magicmanscott40k]

These look fun. I want to try them out one day

[@buuwere]

19:35 you can garrison a mule cart! That’s insane

[@unpaidintern5331]

That gold looks like a basket of bananas!

[@cameron-leejones4537]

Completely off topic… but I’m so damn scared to play against people man! Haha. I’ll get run down in MINUTES by these quick Feudal times and early pressure!. I think I just gotta dip my toe in and go for it though! Haha

[@ryanallen1328]

at like 14:58 you can see Heart garrisoned his mule cart during the fight (prolly on accident) lmao

[@Wanderer1258]

35:50 I also think that the closed barrel in the mule cart has meat from the hunt. So, there are all four collectable resources for the mule cart: food, wood, gold and stone. You'd better have mercy on that poor mule.

[@jasonsmith1950]

Or fish. They could be fishing instead of hunting.

[@greywolf7577]

So berries and farms can't be deposited at the mule cart?

[@Wanderer1258]

@@greywolf7577 No, you also can't store herdables there (sheep). I don't remember about fish.

[@MacTheKnife]

Please t90, do tell how big a "cylinder size" is 😂😂 -talking about gold in outro

[@toastbalogne7697]

maybe if the mule cart had an optional pack/unpack option they wouldnt be misplaced so often? a way to "park" them

[@roberthicks8835]

Would love to see a seirse going over each Civ in-depth.

[@MacTheKnife]

That is SpiritOfTheLaw's department. He's got you covered. kzbin.info/aero/PL6co4ILAvwIDNC8TfoJSIRFNn01f2x_4V&si=ntGJ19K5tJq3r04r

[@michaelstrohmaier5456]

18:00 "could be really Halbful"

[@flygonbreloom]

The Persians should probably be on the Central Asian architecture, given it's based on Persian architecture itself.

[@janjakubilavsky2762]

Hah talking about convertible mules... so they come with AC just in case as well ?

[@rubenmaessen4724]

Yes I think the mule cart is a convertible vehicle too. A monk needs to redeme first though.

[@Sids1192]

The mule can put the roof down and get some wind through its mane.

[@SlowA5F]

Daut didn’t want to fight but he came with answers

[@666Atheist]

Our lord is victorious once again.

[@Typhy7]

Looks more like bananas than gold lol. Btw what was the sadge thing regarding mbl they were talking about at the beginning?

[@chadchad2263]

I think I would prefer to have the mule cart to have a special command where it would be in locked state, unable to move but is still selectable. It just ignores other commands unless toggled.

[@APIEngineering]

Wow those monaspas are the Rowdy Bois... to go fight the pointy bois.

[@leafegreens]

Do the players have the option of building a lumber camp or mining camp instead of using the mule cart? Also, do the mule carts take up population space?

[@stevengorlich4993]

:looool - extra line of sight? helps in ways you do not see xD 25:15

[@glowaru]

The mule cart should have an input for locking it down and unlocking, each in one tick. Much in the same way that the trebuchet can be packed and unpacked, except no wait time for the mule cart. Besides the instant state change for the mule cart, the other benefit would be that you would have all the same benefits on it whether it's locked down or not, such as researching and resources being able to be dropped off to it. This would just make it immensely less awkward to use since you could drag select villagers without worrying about accidentally selecting the mule cart as well and moving it away with the villagers if you don't intend to do so. I hope it's not too difficult for the devs to make this change work with the AoE2 engine.

[@TheBigLanowski]

Locking it down sounds a bit strange since it implies that you would lose the ability to have it automatically move with your villagers when, for example, the woodline gets chopped. Might make more sense if you have a button to change its select behaviour from vill to building and vice versa. This should also be easier to implement, I think.

[@glowaru]

​@@TheBigLanowski Oh yeah good point, I didn't think about the woodline following aspect of the mule cart when writing that comment.

[@user-wx4jc6sq7z]

10:40 such civs are Burmese and Malians (and Incas/Mayans if we count slingers and eagles qualify for being an infantry civ)

[@MicrophoneMichael]

“Rocked” by a trebuchet.. Hehe

[@jonasfranke4480]

I think there are bananas on the New car

[@philliparnold6762]

Yams, sweet potato yams

[@ironsentinel5847]

I found it very hard to rush these civs because of the mule cart. They can block my MAA and just simply move to another resource so easily. Also when I get to castle age I took their TC and military buildings but my opponent spread out all over the map with mules and TC and just smothered me xD...I dont know what to make of them. Also on Nomads mule seems very strong...or going forward with it laming.

[@Dreska_]

Why'd he leave twitch and whys he coming back to twitch?

[@The_Lag_Monster]

Do composite bowmen ignore all armor? Like lets say a siege ram?

[@racernatorde5318]

Nah, essentially only when there is a human involved

[@dirkauditore8413]

Only regular units, not siege units

[@ompskatelitty5356]

29:10 The current Persian architecture is not entirely inaccurate and works for the historically earlier Sasanian Persia. For Safavid Persia, which is represented in the campaign, and by having gunpowder units and the Savar being modeled after that later period (despite it having existed during Sasanian Persia as well), the central asian architecture used by the Tatars and the Cumans would be a better fit. Overall I think it's good they didn't change Persia's architecture because it's too classic, and it is not necessarily inaccurate as the Persian civ is meant to also represent the early Sasanian Persia.

[@derkatwork33]

In the corner, I see ECO K/D, regular K/D, etc. Perhaps it'd be good to have conversion "K/D". I get that it's not kills and deaths. Thoughts on this in the future?

[@FifinatorKlon]

Conversions are tracked by the game, but having a tracker for stuff that may or may not be used within a specific game seems like a lot of potentially useless info. You can download the replay and check the stats afterwards I guess?

[@Dreska_]

I'm playing the new Geogian campaign and I keep getting vils getting stuck & going idle because the mule cart has moved too close to the resources on its own

[@chegayvara1136]

They need to change huns as well as persians. The huns never really built anything but since they existed on a cultural continuum between east asia and europe central asian is probably best for them as well as persians (the white huns or hepthalites). A mix of styles would be best. Speaking of mixed styles, the turks shoudl really have the mediterranean style with some adjustments as they adopted eastern roman modes when they settled. EDIT: i would also like the vikings to have the teuton style but change the textures to wood. That plus yurts and a different monastery building could work for the huns. Actually having some civs like huns and vikings having cheaper wooden castles would be cool tactically.

[@woodlands_]

I feel all civs that were primarily nomadic should have a nomadic style. Huns have nothing to do with medieval Persian architecture and neither do Cumans really. Vikings could do with their own style though and possibly getting split into 3 since the current nordic countries were largely the same in medieval times. Something with turf roofs and timber in feudal and something akin to the style for norse in AOM but with slate roof tiles for castle/imp since they were more common in later periods.

[@chegayvara1136]

@@woodlands_ Ideally yes but even amongst nomads the mongols were different to European Huns, not to mention within nomadic civilizations (Golden Horde were different to the yuan, and the aforementioned hun groups in my last comments). I think my ideas are most likely the best we’ll get using existing textures

[@mysteriousshadow395]

With how strong the Monaspa is, heart should've just gone that instead of the genric HCs.

[@HolyKhaaaaan]

That pot looks like it's holding squash. Armenians are my new favourite, but they do feel a little generic compared to the Georgians. I look forward to playing the Armenian campaign to learn more, though, as I do have a deep admiration for Gregory of Narek and Trdat III, as well as Tamar the Great (thank you Civ VI).

[@doof497]

Their Forts look nice.

[@cuneytevin9323]

If Heart had used a scorpion instead of a hand cannoner, would the result have been different for him

[@AtlasJotun]

So they added some Norse stuff to the game, the Ox Cart(Mule Cart) and the Fenris Wolf(Monaspa). Too bad I still play HD 11

[@marekjureczko9551]

daut used his broken infantry, heart didn't use his broken cavalry

[@youtubeaccount4901]

Y’all ever bing so hard you bong?

[@graemegourley7616]

How about warrior priests can't be converted?

[@morc-at-arms8903]

I'll say that Persian architecture is fine as it is atm. The central Asian architecture (which I guess is the contestant) is quite specific to the "stan" region imo.

[@julianxamo7835]

The Central Asian architecture is literally Persian architecture tho

[@morc-at-arms8903]

@@julianxamo7835 I looked a bit more into it and it seems you are correct! In that case I would agree the change of the architecture style would be a welcomed one. Thanks for the reply ;)

[@Hijackerrr]

well huskarl 2 shots composite

[@harz632]

I wonder if georgians start by building two houses each with one villager and then send the third villager to gather food right away.

[@ville4090]

Do I need to push deer as Georgians or park my mule cart next to them and let vills hunt from there?

[@foxtrotAOE]

Both work

[@MrDman28572]

I wonder if you have to take the Armenian's relic to try to achieve a relic victory. Not that those are super common, but it's an interesting question.

[@misteral9045]

Warrior priests are 30f 60g. 80hp is high but fine, 11atk is nuts and will probably be nerfed. While light cav are the meta, the priest trades reasonably and pikes are easy to add. Daut lost the first fight because of the TC and church. I think the priest shouldn't be infantry, and have an elite upgrade. That way they're manageable in castle age and don't dominate the relic game, while being able to keep pace in imperial and serve as a militia alternative against anti infantry units like hand canons, cataphracts, jaguars, etc.

[@edireland8983]

Do you think a spear drush might be a thing for the Armenians?

[@Oskariix]

Does the free relic affect relic victory?

[@misteral9045]

Yes. If there are no relics on the map it will start a relic timer if standard victory, if there's already an enemy timer it will stop until they take the new one.

[@Oskariix]

@@misteral9045 wow, that's a bit weird. Thanks.

[@benunderwood6525]

T90, since the carts don't count towards population, and you can garrison them, can you fill towers with them and have full towers without using population?

[@Sids1192]

I don't think they add arrow fire, do they? Would be pretty hilarious to charge at the enemy towers/castles only to suddenly have 2000 mule carts coming at you from the other direction, drawing fire from their other units.

[@buuwere]

T90, if Armenians get a relic for free, will it trigger the relic victory countdown on a map with no relics?

[@foxtrotAOE]

Yes

[@Evan-rj9xy]

Why did Daut say "poor MBL man"?

[@Gunks_]

Probably because MBL lost to FreakinAndy and failed to qualify for Warlords.

[@Evan-rj9xy]

@@Gunks_ Ah okay. Thank you!

[@Friedrichsen]

Tristan, the name "Daut" is possibly an Arabic name which means it is pronounced like "Da-oot". It is the Arabic version of the name David.

[@teddyhaines6613]

Daut in this case is short for Dautovic, a Serbian surname.

[@Friedrichsen]

@@teddyhaines6613 ah ok, thanks for the info

[@BleachFan2007]

food is for the mule.

[@TheSmesi]

The NW area of the map is ideal for Georgians - plenty hills and mountains. good place for dropping secondary settlement with towers. 13:30 Church placement not good - does not allow use of its bonuses

[@mata6669]

golden potatoes!

[@dtheberge2]

Content idea for you: have 2 low elo players run economies as they see fit, they cant have army. One pro on each side is dedicated to unit control, the low elo player makes the military buildings, no communication allowed between teamates. Let the cringing begin.

[@Saintphoenix86]

Hey T90 can you do us a favour and look up how you are meant to pronounce composite bow