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[@AdamSomething]

Man, I can relate to this. When people start DMing me about a video "debunking" me, and then I look it up, and it's some teenager's misinformed psychotic episode. One of them went the extra mile, and actually made a wojak of me, and plastered it on the thumbnail and all over the video. He found the wrong person however, and accidentally turned a guy called Adam from SomeThingElseyt into a wojak, thinking that was me. Shortly after he had a mental breakdown and deleted his circa 50K sub channel. Fun times.

[@iron666221666221]

lmao

[@pommedeter7407]

Yeah if I messed up that bad I’d have a breakdown as well. Hope they feel better and stop being deranged someday

[@angelantayhua3096]

What did you think about BadEmpanada’s video?

[@exoZelia]

Hilarious at every turn

[@robo8478]

While you have had some good and bad takes, I'm definitely in agreement that hit pieces are generally bad faith and dishonest and are used as a political weapon a majority of the time.

[@BigOwl51]

The biggest surprise of the video is that this libertarian didn’t at any point attack age of consent laws. Technically this automatically makes him better than 99.9% of other libertarians

[@BigOwl51]

@@TurtleChad1 Young Gunna Wunna back, callin' me splurge Watch me jump right off the curb (eeeyah) Bentley Spur fly like a bird Spin on the first and the third (eeeyah) Solid, I'm keepin' my word Can't be my equal, I don't know what you heard (eeeyah) Crank up the foreign, I swerve Keep me a stick if they purge (eeeyah) Ha, ha (eeeyah) Ha, ha (eeeyah) Ha, ha (eeeyah) Ha, ha (eeeyah) Fuck you mean? Young Gunna Wunna, they workin' my nerves (eeeyah) I'm about to pour up some syrup (eeeyah) Fucking this bitch like a perv' (eeeyah) Smack from the back, grab her perm (eeeyah) Ice, the burr, uh, shittin' on all you lil' turds Can't take that dick, wait your turn In my own lane, we can't merge (eeeyah) Suck with no hands, you can learn (eeeyah) Let's see how much you can earn (eeeyah) Watch mе go big like the Worm (eeeyah) And I ain't smokin' no sherm (eeeyah) I'm in this bitch with P Litty QP, QP-ski All of my bitches is pretty, they showin' they titties, it's up to the ceilin' (eeeyah) I let her run through a million, I rock with her really, let's fuck on a billion (eeeyah) I'ma get down to the gritty then fuck up the city, the home of the villains (eeeyah) Ecstasy, wonderful feelin' (eeeyah) Smoke out the pound when I'm chillin' (eeeyah) Trappin', I made me a killin' (eeeyah) Look, I got everybody wishin' (eeeyah) I hope you play your position (eeeyah) I don't want nobody listenin' (eeeyah) I see the hoe with precision (eeeyah) Get rich my only decision (eeeyah) Fuck you mean? Young Gunna Wunna back, callin' me splurge Watch me jump right off the curb (eeeyah) Bentley Spur fly like a bird Spin on the first and the third (eeeyah) Solid, I'm keepin' my word Can't be my equal, I don't know what you heard (eeeyah) Crank up the foreign, I swerve Keep me a stick if they purge Eeeyah, eeeyah Eeeyah, eeeyah Eeeyah (fuck you mean?) Eeeyah Eeeyah, eeeyah (Fuck you mean?) Yeah Yeah (eeeyah)

[@aspacelex]

​@@TurtleChad1I realize it's hard to believe but it's true, in this video he doesn't attack age of consent.

[@fjbz3737]

Damn those librarians

[@billclockwell]

​​@@TurtleChad1so he than at some point _did_ attack age of conset laws? I knew I should never have trusted big owl

[@yaboye3791]

​@@TurtleChad1Can you read?

[@hichaelhighers]

The fact that he thinks it's unethical behavior to steal a loaf of bread when you're starving tells you everything about his worldview and the society he wants to construct.

[@SorbusAucubaria]

Well technically it is unethical to steal, but it is understandable behavior. The ethical behaviour would be to ask for the bread in exchange for something else. For all you know, that person you stole from needed the bread more than you did. If both are starving and you had bread only for one person, the ethical dilemma would be who dies and who gets the bread. Edit: to maximize positive liberty the two starving man should negotiate who gets the bread like a lottery or contest and/or a way to divide the bread. But yes, if you steal a bread from someone who has plenty, to maximize positive liberty would be to get some of that bread for yourself, if the person who has plenty is not willing to part from it, since you need more that bread. But stealing would still be a violation against the others liberty. I think maximizing positive liberty you need functioning democracy and participation. Not just voting, but city councils, neighborhood meetings and other things that increases communication and active participation in the rules negotiation process. So some kind of participation systems in all aspects of society, whether it is in government, corporations, organizations etc.

[@yunusahmed2940]

If something is bad it's bad, you can justify it but that doesn't make the act of taking what isn't yours "good". Good vs Bad isn't the same right vs wrong. Hurting people is bad but it might be the right thing to do in a situation.

[@Dreigonix]

Literal Javert.

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

Thing is our society already follows this logic. Our society murders immigrants for the crime of existing.

[@FelisImpurrator]

​@@yunusahmed2940What? Is this some bizarre attempt to split the difference between deontology and utilitarianism? That makes no sense. No action has inherent moral value. Only the outcomes determine whether something is good or bad.

[@KainMalice]

I love how these guys are against the government setting regulations, but a franchise sets restrictions and they will lick the boot of economos.

[@BleedForTheWorld]

They're conservatives. Conservatism has layers of contradictions.

[@zwicker5585]

If you uphold the status quo you are always going to be contradicting yourself

[@Chelaxim]

​@@BleedForTheWorldConservatives who like pot and maybe bussy.

[@theywouldnthavetocensormei9231]

Because companies are beholden to other companies in a free market. A company has the legal right to pay their employees dirt and have shitty working conditions, but they're not going to do it because better companies will pay more and have better working conditions, so everyone will want to work there instead of with the shitty company. It's basic economics that leftists are too retarded to understand.

[@bobloblaw7030]

@@BleedForTheWorld Conservatives purposely hijacked the libertarian movement because it was a threat so they put out tons of propaganda to convince people that conservatism was like libertarianism even though they are total opposites in many ways and now most people just look at libertarianism as a joke.......mission successful for the conservatives

[@wesleysmith187]

In the UK, its always heartbreaking to see doctors being forced to work for free 😞😞😞

[@Gurfmanj]

Yeah, the rate of homeless doctors starving to death in the UK is unbelievable!

[@YourMajesty733]

That's why you see an angry mob of citizens in Sweden, Canada, S Korea, who take over the streets protesting for the freedom to pay for healthcare out of pocket. /s

[@Jartran72]

pfp fits so well here

[@blue5had0w]

​@@Jartran72oh yeah that dang snail from the movie Turbo!

[@HiNRGboy]

they aren't working for free.. a doctor makes good money anywhere. Doctors are something that is needed everywhere, because the RICH also need doctors, so they'll always have a good job

[@PatheticApathetic]

His line about a starving person throwing ethics away to not die is the perfect demonstration of how little Libertarians actually understand ethics

[@jamielee7404]

True. Does this guy even go outside? Like, does he walk among people, talk to people? He sounds very sad, like he has been isolated from everyone

[@Argumemnon]

Or communism. Or freedom. Or taxes...

[@chasemartin5777]

Stealing is stealing regardless of reason. Cope and seethe commie

[@julesdalli9716]

And how much they view humans as disposable lumps of skin and bone.

[@alexisleskinen6090]

Not like you showed how much you understand ethics yourself

[@screamingphoenix8113]

"Everything is slavery, except for actual slavery, which is perfectly fine" - Every libertarian.

[@madlyjp]

"Working in a prison camp for free isn't slavery" -Every commie.

[@julesdalli9716]

"Outlawing slavery is authoritarian!"

[@crazando]

"Being owned by an organization under the threat of death isn't slavery, but working for someone voluntarily is!" - commies

[@benjaminnowack8433]

The slave market is a market, so it can only be good. If it wasn't good no one could profit off the market for slaves. It's so obvious when you equate ownership of property with freedom

[@Spongebrain97]

​@julesdalli9716 Iv literally read in the past deranged libertarians make something akin to this. Where they think that the US government shouldn't have ended slavery by force and that the south should've been allowed to be independent and "eventually" end slavery on their own. That they're more offended at the death toll the war caused over the human suffering that occured under slavery which they think should've happened longer if it meant a war could have be averted 😂

[@MrFuckingKololo]

I love the libertarian mantra about how taxation is just the poors stealing from the businesses, when billionaires are unironically welfare queens. American corporations receive insane amount of money from the government through subsidies, bailouts and tax breaks.

[@ryanosterman2651]

To be fair they are usually against corporatism but their criticisms of it are just weak as hell.

[@outercat]

@@ryanosterman2651 you're gonna summon the ancaps lmao

[@ryanosterman2651]

@@outercat we all know how the arguments will go so I honestly couldn’t care less lol

[@johnfauxnom4221]

​@@ryanosterman2651 The thing about the corporatism argument is that for most capitalists, in this case being individuals who actually own capital, don't rightly give a shit if what they're doing is "real capitalism." Government handing out free money? Cool! Regulations that weed out the competition? Perfect! We're a monopoly? Exactly what we wanted! These supposed virtues of a truly free market stand in direct opposition to the true nature of capital: Move upward. Libertarians who blog for a living think the Free Market is a big game of sportsball where all the rules are supposed to be fair. You think Bezos, Musk, Zuckerberg, Gates, Buffet, or any of these successful capitalists care about playing fair? No, but that's why they're so good at capitalism. It's childish.

[@MilesDashing]

Capitalism is theft. In order to make a profit, a business owner has to pay his employees less than the value of his labor. The capitalist then pockets this free money, which he got simply from owning things. Also, money is made up. So is private property. Morally speaking, the capitalist doesn't have any right to his factory or whatever, and the only thing stopping the workers from seizing it is the coercive power of the state. So the capitalist actually owes a lot of money to his silent partner, the state, without which it would be impossible to make all of this money. It goes beyond subsidies: the state pays for police, roads, internet, education...like 80-90% of what the capitalist needs is paid for by the state. Libertarians take completely artificial systems and pretend they are laws of nature, so that they can ignore the massive interdependence of modern societies, as well as "justify" conditions that any sensible person would consider appalling. I guess it helps if you're incredibly stupid, like this dude appears to be.

[@damham5689]

"Libertarians are like house cats: absolutely convinced of their fierce independence while utterly dependent on a system they don't appreciate or understand."

[@jacobnoelle8428]

At least cats are cats

[@InfiniteDeckhand]

@@jacobnoelle8428 And at least cats actually love you if you treat them right.

[@Reallylilnig]

Cats are cute, funny and loveable. Libertarians not so much.

[@Rac3r4Life]

Except cats are enjoyable to be around.

[@thegridlessheathen4627]

As a former Libertarian, this is absolutely hilarious and sadly accurate. 😂

[@Mavuika_Gyaru]

"People being forced to work to fund your livelihood is slavery" so is he against corporations?

[@frocco7125]

Right libertarians always complain about "collectivism", so here's a reminder that capitalism, businesses and corporations are ALL diffrent forms of collectivism. Collective groups and institutions that demand you work or sacrifice yourself to support them.

[@friendlyG771]

That kind of critical thinking would require that this guy have more than 2 brain cells

[@antarath517]

But in ancapistan, they will have the option to starve rather than working There is no coercion if one simply starves to death! I have broken your comparison.

[@wikipiiimp9420]

@@antarath517 technically, you can also not be taxed if you don't have revenue/wealth in a welfare state. I mean, a lot of people don't get taxes, they simply are too poor for this And regarding VAT, again, there is no VAT if you don't buy something, so just rely on yourself or charity. The point that taxation is slavery is dumb when you realize that you are not forced to provide the value that is taxed either. You just need to, like you need to work, in order to survive, but it's true too for ancapistan x)

[@ryanosterman2651]

They usually are but their arguments against corporations are just weak as hell.

[@PossumPunx]

I CANNOT believe he thought that positive and negative liberty were mutually exclusive, like if you had the resources to be truly free, that means you MUST have rules to limit that freedom? I would expect nothing more from a libertarian

[@wile123456]

Pure dogma, no philosophy knowledge

[@tomlxyz]

This is kinda the "pure capitalism" mindset, where any intervention in favor of the common people is communism

[@samuelmerkel2888]

They're rival concepts. It's not saying that YOU can only have one or the other, it's saying that together, they are a zero sum game. Positive liberty as a right requires negative liberty to be decreased for someone else. Maybe it's you, but more likely it's someone else. It's like double entry accounting. A debit in on account always means a credit in another account.

[@wile123456]

@@samuelmerkel2888 that's wrong though and a complete misunderstanding of the philosophical concept.

[@jonasharp3]

@@samuelmerkel2888who’s negative liberty am I decreasing, when I utilize my city’s public parks or libraries?

[@ericpmoss]

I used to work for a "libertarian" -- Mr. Pull Yourself Up was the son of a well-off diplomat, had servants, private schools around the world, and schmoozed with fabulously wealthy people, marrying into a billionaire family. He bullied me about not affording to split the bill for his $150 meal when all I could afford was a $6 bowl of soup.

[@miskatonic_alumni]

Free market libertarians really do think that inheriting wealth is a mark of superior intelligence. No wonder they're all nitwits.

[@MoarCheeseBirb]

"You know what I make, you shouldn't have to be reminded that I can't afford that."

[@julesdalli9716]

So basically another Ben Shapiro? Born wealthy, gets stuff handed to him, and then walks around thinking he lives in a meritocratic society.

[@crazando]

That's not kind of him, but that's not an issue with the ideology

[@ericpmoss]

@@crazando It is an example of how the wealthy gaslight us with all the lingo. He sounded just like all the talking heads who mean "safety net for me, rugged individualism for thee." I have yet to meet a self-described libertarian who wasn't really a Republican who didn't want to go to jail for weed.

[@ringer1324]

The haters can’t get enough of that Vaussy

[@simonfarre4907]

Yeah, that moist Vaussy is too hard for them to abstain from.

[@zwicker5585]

@@HistorySucksVyou okay?

[@TheBlueWizzrobe]

Vaʊssy

[@nerag7459]

@@HistorySucksV I am the father of this sentence and you leave my son alone.

[@zwicker5585]

@@HistorySucksV weird homophobia but ok

[@trashrabbit69]

"Positive freedom grift" Ah yes I love it when philosophical concepts established for decades are actually just fronts for me to uh... purchase their books? Get taxed by an individual? Huh?

[@juliusseizure591]

Decades?? This shit goes back to (at least) to Kant in the late 1700s.

[@trashrabbit69]

@@juliusseizure591I'm still reeling with the fact that 2016 was 7 years ago, my perception of time is very warped.

[@radicalfishstickstm8563]

Well this is actually pretty simple. For conservatives, social welfare is the “greedy poor” taking from the “working man.” It’s the undesirables trying to cheat the “capitalistic meritocracy.” Now, how does the oppressed have the political clout necessary to make the government work for them, I have no clue but that’s essentially what they believe. That’s why they consider welfare to be a grift

[@FelisImpurrator]

​​@@juliusseizure591Rare Kant W, as opposed to his morality take which is "live in abject paranoia and religious totalitarianism". Edit: Apparently he defined freedom as the ability to perform... Duty? No wonder he ended up with a twisted anti-sex, religious ultra-conservative Arbeit Macht Frei take. Never mind.

[@crunkers_]

Just add grift at the end to make any concept sound like a conspiracy. The intersectionalism grift. The social capital grift. The round earth grift.

[@thesterlingone1072]

Key moment when dude’s brain translated “base philosophical argument” to “based philosophical argument”. Tells you immediately who you’re listening to.

[@littlemoth4956]

That's pretty much the most direct example possible of someone terminally online clashing with anyone in the real world.

[@samuelmerkel2888]

Key moment when Vaush translated "positive and negative liberty" to "positive or negative libertarian". Tells you immediately who you're listening to.

[@butHomeisNowhere___]

Lmao I heard that too 😂

[@Alex-0597]

​@@samuelmerkel2888Sorry bro, no matter how bratty you act in the comments sections, Vaush isn't going to top you.

[@samuelmerkel2888]

@@Alex-0597 I get enough satisfaction from my callouts of the hypocrisy to satisfy all topping needs

[@IndependentObserver]

Sweden is 45% richer (per capita, after inflation) than it was when they began building their modern welfare state in early 1970's. If the welfare state is "eating the fruits of capitalism" then my man- Swedes have been gorging on it for 50+ years, and they still have more to eat, than they had when they started.

[@frocco7125]

When you "eat the fruits of capitalism", you stop being hungry and can get more work done and generate MORE fruits.

[@realhumanbean7915]

When you mention that the libertarian generally just takes the mask off and starts acting like a white nationalist, talking about Muslims “invading” Sweden. They don’t fare well with economic mobility figures

[@Bryndleson]

If you bring that up to libertarians they'll just say it works over there cuz they white, effectively revealing the fact that they just dislike socialism cuz they don't want brown people to not be poor

[@julesdalli9716]

The fruits of capitalism are extracted through exploitation. Nothing wrong with sharing those fruits around, and letting the working class get a few extra bites of the pie.

[@andrewgreenwood9068]

Through redistributing from the top to the bottom wealth can continue to flow through the economy enabling an eternal cycle of capitalism without devolving into fascism.

[@jacobjohnston3983]

Would road laws and cars be a better example of positive and negative freedom? If you drop 1000 cars on a flat plane (a driveable surface for this analogy) with no road laws, turning lanes, or stoplights, every car would be able to drive however they want. They’d have negative freedom. However no one would be able to get anywhere. Cars would be crashing into each other and traffic pile up. On the other hand, let’s say you build a highway system with proper road laws, where drivers must go in one direction and follow rules when it comes to turning, changing lanes, etc. each individual driver has less freedom, but they are able to travel to their destination in a timely manner without getting into a wreck. That is positive freedom.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

I know I should hate fascism more. But frankly, Libertarians hit some very specific nerves in my body that makes me enter fight or fight mode

[@MindForgedManacle]

No shame in that. When push comes to shove, American libertarians end up supporting fascistic policies and politicians because they like existing capitalism more than they hate the state. They're fascists in all but name.

[@TasTheWatcher]

They're just useful idiots for fascism anyway

[@khill8645]

Probably just a typo, but I love "fight or fight mode" as a turn of phrase when dealing with libertarians

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@@khill8645 Nope not a typo

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@@MindForgedManacle Not even American libs My own father is a libertarian in South Africa and our version also makes me want to eat a brick and yes he is a smug, selfish person who acts like he knows everything

[@comradeanthony4120]

I love how his example was like the worst example ever to argue his side of things. There are VERY GOOD reasons to regulate how food is made

[@moon_wizard1250]

Yeah it's funny, he said that and I thought "so wait, what if it's a regulation saying you can't put cyanide in your bread?" And then vaush said that 10 seconds later 😂.

[@BlisaBLisa]

it is my god given right to eat beef with bse

[@the-gadfly4743]

@@moon_wizard1250 it is funny that such a regulation doesn't exist, seeing how it would make it a crime to kill rats.

[@Zarastro54]

@@the-gadfly4743While true, most food regulations are reactions to ACTUAL crap capitalists tried to pull trying to save a buck with food production. One of the most famous is putting sawdust in flour/bread.

[@julesdalli9716]

McDonald's should be able to serve you Big Mac's filled with rat droppings. But the authoritarian left wants to strip McDonald's of that freedom.

[@Sillygoosespoofse]

Also FYI taxes are an example of negative freedom. The freedom FROM having to pipe in your own water, the freedom from needing to generate your own power, etc.

[@thedissidentleftist6997]

More like return back to Iron ages. It only works for rural settings but that is it.

[@thedissidentleftist6997]

That sure explains all those TV shows of living in rural areas past decade or so.

[@Sillygoosespoofse]

@@thedissidentleftist6997 not sure what that has to do with what i said

[@Sillygoosespoofse]

@@thedissidentleftist6997 or this

[@thedissidentleftist6997]

@@Sillygoosespoofse Well imagine trying to pipe your own water in a urban setting with all that pollution in it?

[@Matthew_Murray]

I always like the argument libertarians make that charity should replace taxes and the social safety net, because I don’t know a single libertarian that would willingly donate to a charity. Libertarian ideology is basically “I got mine and you can f*ck off”

[@miskatonic_alumni]

Also, when has charity actually solved any issues, instead of just helping a tiny fraction of the people who need help?

[@Gingerphile00]

also its the female and normie attitude towards incels.

[@dracocrusher]

Nah, we'll be fine, we just all have to collectively hope that Mr. Beast pays for all of our medical expenses every time on a systemic level across the country multiple times a month or people will die. No big deal.

[@julesdalli9716]

Anyone who makes that argument is knowingly BS'ing you. Charity serves a great purpose, but no one ever fixed poverty by giving away the extra cans of soup sitting in their pantry. There are an insane amount of people either living in poverty, or who are homeless. Charity can't reach out to every single one of them. Hence why govt welfare is essential.

[@serversurfer6169]

Also, those who are _most able_ to be charitable become that way by _being_ the _least_ charitable. 🤨

[@lukehenderson5097]

Hear me out... What if we created a subscription service where doctors are paid a salary based on the size of the membership, but the subscription is collected and dispersed by the government, and the membership is everyone living or working in the United States ...? ??

[@madlyjp]

doctors are paid based on the amount of money the government makes from people paying for treatments, so yes that is how it works already

[@BlisaBLisa]

maybe if we get everyone in the country to contribute to this gofundme campaign ...

[@julesdalli9716]

It might work, but it's too much government. So keep the broken system that already exists.

[@alexisleskinen6090]

No, doctors should work for free

[@crazando]

It's theft then

[@sonny061188]

I wonder which KZbinr libertarians dislike more Vaush or Sam Seder?

[@thedissidentleftist6997]

Sam Sedar. The most urbanized a person is the more likely Libertarians hates them.

[@burgerpirate]

Sam always ends up stealing their property at gunpoint so I'd say libertarians dislike him more.

[@julesdalli9716]

I would say Vaush. Because he co-opts libertarian ideology from a leftist perspective. Seder is just a milquetoast lib.

[@alrecks619]

Sam Seder got more angry calls from right libertarians so there is that.

[@Michael-sb8jf]

They all angry they have diarrhea

[@bobbybooshay5388]

What our boy left out about Bread Regulation C-U-K 88490A Section 17 on page 465a of the Code of Screw You is it's the part where it says you can't just fill your bread with sawdust and rust. A thing plenty of unscrupulous bakers ACTUALLY did in the Industrial Revolution.

[@TheJst100]

It took the right wing libertarian 3 and a half minutes to say something fucking insane and immature, props.

[@sebastianbreen2883]

what are you referring to specifically?

[@BALDWIN_IV_OF_JERUSALEM]

What are you talking about? He says nothing notable 3.5 minutes into the video.

[@BALDWIN_IV_OF_JERUSALEM]

Did you just lie? lol how sad are you

[@erethnewman4009]

Bro's biggest crime was using that awful filter on his GBA emulator 💀💀 Edit for clarification: I'm referring to the weirdly smoothed pixels. The palette is original to the game and, tbh I don't mind it too much. I kinda like how psychedelic it looks, it really helps it to stand out from the rest of the series. I can see how it can be a strain for the eyes for some though. There's romhacks out there that make it a bit more muted iirc.

[@AshanBhatoa]

True.

[@aurtosebaelheim5942]

In general, sure, but Castlevania has such a maximalist style that the scummily smoothed-out pixels almost become an aesthetic. It looks like shit but in an almost stylish way, like Cruelty Squad. If he was doing it deliberately I might respect it, but we both know that he just didn't notice that it looks like ass and doesn't know that it can be turned off.

[@hefdef9961]

@@aurtosebaelheim5942 im pretty sure you have to specifically turn it on

[@AnimeGIFfy]

i LITERALLY puked.

[@staudinga]

Thanks for mentioning that! I thought I was the only one repulsed by that.

[@PakBallandSami]

libertarian be like: oh well iam working in a inhuman work place environment which works me to death but at least i don't pay any taxes

[@Treyast]

"Whoops, my 5-minute thinking break is over! Better get back to work before the boss-man has me executed for stealing company time!"

[@bobloblaw7030]

"my boss never paid me and is never going to have to because of no regulations but atleast i pay no taxes on it"

[@frocco7125]

Your boss takes way more of your money than the government.

[@googane7755]

They'll try to argue that the company regulations infringes on their rights or something but what they gonna do about it? There is no government since they pay no taxes lmao

[@Zarastro54]

Thing is, these people ALWAYS imagine themselves as a the brilliant entrepreneur on top, rather than the average worker on the bottom.

[@SemiIocon]

People seriously need to learn what interdependence is and how it interacts with freedom.

[@FelisImpurrator]

The myth of the "self-made" Randian hero is too essential to the capitalist delusion for that. Something something when a man's job is not to understand...

[@julesdalli9716]

But it's more fun to own the left.

[@TabbyVee]

the funniest part of the video is how he plays a clip of Vaush saying "its a base philosophical arguement" which is to mean its had all variables isolated. And this dumbass misquotes him just a minute later saying "as Voosh said, its a based philosophical arguement"

[@user-zb9lv3gh8s]

These guys just don't know any better than the phonetic interpretation of everything they hear.

[@txikitofandango]

For Kant, freedom is the capacity to do your duty, which in the 20th century we understood as the capacity to follow your desire

[@FelisImpurrator]

Well, the problem is that the original take is nonsensical then, which is undoubtedly why it's been adopted by every Christian fascist out there who wants to grift and say that freedom is found in obedience, work, and gratitude. The interpretation there is the overly charitable steelman that doesn't constitute overt schizoposting.

[@txikitofandango]

@@FelisImpurrator That's not a serious view of "duty" because why should I listen to someone telling me what to do? Or why them and not someone else?

[@txikitofandango]

@@FelisImpurrator I agree that freedom is to be found in obedience and compliance, but only into a community that you've entered voluntarily and accepted their terms, or developed the terms collaboratively

[@FelisImpurrator]

@@txikitofandango I completely disagree. Obedience and conformity are some of the greatest weaknesses and sources of harm in the human psyche. Freedom to obey is not freedom, it's a paradox. The mindset of submission to either a powerful individual or the group has led to just about every mass slaughter and war in history. Unacceptable. Freedom is freedom to pursue one's benefit, or self-interest... But! The key flaw with right-libertarian and Objectivist thinking is a failure to understand that self-interest is not selfishness in the conventional moralistic sense. What you want is not always what you need, after all. The key insight provided by Marxist and post-Marxist analysis is the simple and enduring fact that acting in the collective interest more often than not tends to be one and the same as acting in self-interest. A rising tide lifts all ships. Interdependence is a fact of life, all the way up to the ecological level. One person alone can't do everything, and is thus less free to do whatever makes them happy or maximizes their well-being. So by improving the well-being of others, and ensuring the free flow of resources to where they're needed, logically one is serving one's own interest by ensuring other people's ability to provide better and more stable access to goods and services; and one does that, usually, either by also providing or by simply not obstructing others, depending on ability. In other words: From each according to their ability, to each according to their need. In addition, though, efficient use of collective labor creates surplus. This serves as a safe buffer for emergencies as well as a source of additional quality of life beyond subsistence needs, or in more accurate terms, it satisfies what people need to thrive rather than merely survive. So if a society can support such it should ensure people have access to those surplus resources as much as possible, without necessarily demanding more of individuals who may have limited ability. This is all perfectly encapsulated by self-interest. There is no need to resort to deference and submission, "willing" or otherwise. It's as simple as - helping others helps you, so it's better to do it. It's better to set aside the expectation of any level of affection or empathy or group conformity. Think of it this way: Some people maintain their cars out of love and passion. Others do it because they simply understand that a well-maintained car is the best at meeting their needs. Only an idiot thinks a car doesn't need or "deserve" maintenance but uses it anyway. Unfortunately, irrational factors such as tribalism, dogma, and intuitive moral conventions can throw off this equation and lead people to act in ways that serve neither themselves nor others. This is why the only good or desirable rule is a necessary one, whether to prevent avoidable harm or ensure effective best practices. It's not enough for people to agree or consent; people can be ignorant, stupid, simply mistaken, or coerced implicitly through means that aren't overtly violent but are dishonest.

[@tomlxyz]

@@FelisImpurrator Freedom to obey is plain Christian theology. "You have the freedom to refuse but then you'll go to hell"

[@LaigledeMeaux]

"I always feel so silly engaging with libertarian arguments because a lot of them are teenagers." I remember back in 6th or 7th grade, I want to say world history? I can't remember the exact class. Anyways, the teacher had us do an easy math work sheet that had a hundred problems on the front, stuff like 2 + 2 = X, 2 * 10 = X, etc. He gave us like 5 minutes to fill out as much of the paper as possible. He said, "I want you to do as much as you can, but everyone will be rewarded the same." After the time limit he had us count up all the questions we answered, some of the dumber kids had like 10 or 15 answered, others had 40 - 50, I seem to remember myself getting like 80 or more because I was a "whiz" at math, there was even a couple of kids who picked up on the "everyone will be rewarded the same" and didn't do a single one. Afterwords the teacher said good job and gave us each 1 piece of candy. When asked why everybody got 1, even those that did really poorly, or none at all, and those that did really well the teacher said, "Hey, that's socialism for you!" We then did it again, flipped over the sheet which had another hundred math problems. This time he said, "I want you to do as much as you can, but THIS time, I will reward you for how well you do." After the time limit he gave us a piece of candy for every 10 we got right. "This is capitalism," he said. That one lesson informed my political leanings for YEARS. It wasn't until I actually finished a year of college and started actually doing my own research, really questioned my own beliefs, that I started to change what I thought was right and wrong and what taxes were and what not. I was basically a standard issue right wing libertarian until I actually cared enough to do my own research. Now I am an anarcho-syndicalist. That line from Vaush, "I feel silly engaging with libertairians because they are teenagers," feels so real and could have easily been used against me when I was a teenager.

[@crazando]

What did you learn that made you against capitalism?

[@LaigledeMeaux]

@@crazando hm, a tough question, I don't think there was any one thing that did it for me. It was a long and slow process. I don't know if I would say I'm 100% against the idea of capitalism in general, though I think there are better systems. I don't know if the U.S.A can ever realistically move fully away from the system we have, and I don't think violent revolution like the tankies want is the right call. I am more interested in improving the situation we currently have with no real end goal, there are always improvements to be made. I think Unions are the best way to improve our situation without intrinsically changing what we already have. Seems like very strong co-owned Unions with government regulation oversight is the way to go. It allows us to improve what we already have while putting us into a position that could conceivably switch to a better system if enough of the population is able to overcome its own hangups about socialism.

[@buckmanley1233]

What do you mean dumber kids? Not answering well on a math test doesn't equal being dumb. Some kids aren't dumb enough to fall for libertarianism, I guess you're just one of the dumb kids.

[@eternalcanadiandevyt]

"Socialism is when no iPhone" - Your teacher

[@hoominbeeing]

Your teacher was so based

[@burnt_toast3917]

I swear that libertarians want nothing but cyberpunk hyper capitalism without any of the cool neon signs

[@crazando]

No, we want the cool neon signs too

[@fluffypinkpandas]

When Vaush is talking about constructing silly hypotheticals to prove a point in philosophy hes talking about the epitome of storytelling. THE POINT WRITERS MAKE FANTASY STORIES. Is to STATE A MORAL DILEMMA OR ARGUMENT in a way the general audience can digest and comprehend and relate to their own world.

[@GoldenRedder]

And sometimes vaush makes a coconut analogy.

[@RMDragon3]

"Instead of taxes, I propose that we make everything that taxes pay for into the same system as health insurance". Because that is famously a system that works so well!

[@tomlxyz]

Yes, it's way more profitable. Oh you meant deliverying good healthcare for everyone? That's not the most important thing here

[@realhumanbean7915]

@@tomlxyz I too, as a comically evil CEO, do not value human life beyond serving as worker ants

[@crazando]

No, fraternal societies were different than health insurance and worked better

[@GoldenRedder]

It did work actually. Our current Healthcare cost crisis was caused as usual, by the government

[@mgkachar]

The intentional misunderstanding of healthcare is infuriating

[@khill8645]

When dealing with libertarians, how do you filter "intentional misunderstanding" from mere incidental stupidity?

[@frocco7125]

The government pays for your healthcare with taxes = Whipping and enslaving black people 🤓

[@warlordofbritannia]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@khill8645 The healthcare thing is usually a good benchmark, actually. A smart libertarian would see universal healthcare as the government protecting the right to not dying of being poor. But your average libertarian will whine about how poor people have too much freedom coming at the expense of profiteering insurance companies. In this case they’re just stupid and unable to really think about how things work. But your below average libertarian is just “government bad.” That is intentional misunderstanding.

[@Lysander_Spooner]

Mentiswave wiped the floor with you.😂

[@tskmaster3837]

"Positive freedom is just wealth." And negative freedom is just taxes. I'm sorry but I can't imagine a person this simple existing despite listening to him for a half hour.

[@Ian_sothejokeworks]

I once broke the brain of a Libertarian by asking him how the government could print money without levying taxes to pay for printing it. He fell into babbling about a system of barter, which devolved into basic socialism after two moves. This is how flimsy their ideology is.

[@edanan99]

There is no barter under socialism, since barter is specifically trade between individuals and their private property. Nations/collectives don't "barter" with each other.

[@Ian_sothejokeworks]

@edanan9897 Is this a non sequitur? Or did you read "international trade" somewhere in my post? I'm not sure why you said this, other than as a fun fact.

[@julesdalli9716]

You may have stumbled across a libertarian who isn't overly certain about their beliefs. A more confident one might actually say that we should live in corporate towns, where legal tender itself is privately owned.

[@crazando]

We don't need fiat, we can use gold or Bitcoin. Now get me to socialism with that?

[@OryxAU]

​@@crazando That's fiat with extra steps.

[@jemand_Nachname]

Thank you for this high quality piece of entertainment. Gave me some good laughs. Especially the part, where you said paleolibertarians = nazis had me almost crack up. We all know how back then our good friend Hitler wanted to abolish the state immedeatly and respect everyone's property rights

[@DavisJ-ln6fw]

Thank You for displaying your ignorance 😆

[@chillpillsfornil]

Wow, that fraternal aid bs sounds like taxes, but instead of going into social programs and country projects, they are used to sustain the failsons when their "business" goes into gutter.

[@crazando]

Fraternal societies were amazing, and they were made up mostly of minorities

[@HunterTracks]

I love the complete inability to engage with your own priors on display by the libertarian. For instance, "obviously, some people having more money than others is better than everyone being poor" -- by what metric? Last time I checked, "poor medieval village" wasn't a subgenre of dystopia, but "futuristic city with extreme wealth disparity" was. Or correctly identifying that positive freedom sometimes means infringing on the negative freedom of others, but failing to recognise that positive freedom is necessary for any form of human cooperation to function (for instance, making a contract with someone limits your negative freedom to not fulfill it).

[@wikipiiimp9420]

Poor medieval village IS dystopian. Feudalism is the logical conclusion ancapistan as it's a society when people are under absolute control of a lord owning everything and some people are even tied to this property (the serfs) similar to how a cyberpunk dystopia work with mega corporations. It's not a genre of dystopia because science fiction writers try to describe future problems (Totalitarian states with 1984, usage of biotechnology for creating a cast system with Brave New World, or out of control capitalism and technology with the cyberpunk genre), not past problems like feudalism. Also, both "everyone being poor" and "some are poor, some are rich" are bad. The best system is not the one with people being the richest, or the one with the least inequality, it's the one where people that are the worst off are better off that in any other system. Like if system A is : everyone dirt poor system B is : 80% are dirt poor, 19% are middle class, 1% are fithy rich and system C is : 30% are somewhat poor, 50% are average and 20% are somewhat well off. The system C is the best of the tree (altrough not ideal), as it's the one where the wost of off society are also better treated. Altrough an ideal system would both maximize equality and sufficient amount wealth (which is what progressive advocate for). with would be system "D", which would be creating a new type of society. But a system that distribute equally abject poverty is not that much better to a system that is highly inegalitarian (also it's not coherent, because a truely egalitarian society would be democratic, and therefore would be able to rise to higher standard of living), because if you are starving, you can't benefit from equality. (and ultimately authoritarianism will rise again, either because your society fall into fascism, or because you are simply invaded by a richer and more powerful neighbor). egalitairan yet miserable societies dont make sense, as preople in an equal society would democratically make decision for the betterment of themselves, which would raise the standard of living for everyong. Only way to a society to be equally dirt poor is for someone to be above all others (eg North Korea), which is by definition, not egalitarian For the second part about positive/negative freedom i agree.

[@HunterTracks]

​@@wikipiiimp9420Poor medieval village isn't dystopian in a vacuum, it becomes dystopian once you include the feudal lord into the picture, who represents a level of wealth and power that isn't found in the village proper. My point is that the general driver of human suffering is rarely natural conditions; usually, it's extreme power inbalances between some parties that result in most damage towards the population. If "everyone is poor", those imbalances do not exist or are greatly lessened, which means that there isn't really a way to construct a system of oppression that we would consider dystopian. Also, I never claimed that everyone being poor was good. By all means, it's still a wretched existence; however, a few people being extremely wealthy and everyone else being poor, which is the logical conclusion of libertarian philosophy, is significantly worse.

[@terryterry5653]

@@HunterTracks i don't really understand how some people being wealthy and all others being poor is worse than just all being poor. i mean, the less people who are poor, the better. also, i watched the video of the guy you keep calling libertarian and iirc he does bring up how there is a balance you need to strike between positive and negative liberties and that it's a debated topic. you should probably watch that video instead of just watching vaush's take on it if you didn't catch that and i remember it a month later

[@jongxina3595]

I hope not all socialists believe what u just said. So u prefer everyone was poorer rather than richer with wealth disparity. You probably would be ok with the US turning into a third world country as long as billionaires and millionaires werent in the US anymore.

[@ollieb8738]

There’s a 2016 paper by Lewandowsky and Oberauer that found that believe in free market economics a la libertarianism was the strongest predictor of conspiratorial thinking and science denial, because it’s all just rooted in anti-government sentiment. That paper was very formative in my views on libertarians and has explained a lot of their behaviour. (At least, for online libertarians, since the survey was a self-selected online survey)

[@QtQiuTee]

"broooo you don't understand econ 🤓"

[@antlerbraum2881]

Dudes who THINK they understand economics become libertarian capitalists, dudes who ACTUALLY understand economics go outside and have a life.

[@theywouldnthavetocensormei9231]

​@@antlerbraum2881capitalism has brought more people out of poverty than any other economic system. Socialism has lead to more death and atrocities than any other economic system.

[@WhiteScorpio2]

@@antlerbraum2881 I did neither, what am I?

[@Byoink]

​@@WhiteScorpio2a fella

[@Nyarurin]

as someone who was this type of "right wing libertarian" just about two years ago - listening to this is both painful and hilarious

[@frocco7125]

We all make mistakes in life, don't worry.

[@alexsmith2910]

We've all been there.

[@julesdalli9716]

I honestly wonder how these people form their ideologies. Do they get it from their parents? Or do they just go out of their way to form the most sociopathic world view possible?

[@alexisleskinen6090]

​@@julesdalli9716they start from saying that aggression is unjustifiable and get the rest from this

[@2vexy]

@@alexisleskinen6090 Yeah but the problem is they define aggressive actions in a way that only they agree with, and then accuse others of being in favour of aggression when in reality we just use different definitions for what constitutes aggression

[@garywebb2432]

Its not a new week without the usual Vaush hitpiece 🎉

[@fullmetaldumbass9564]

A kid runs up to his mom and says "Mom, I want to be a libertarian when I grow up!" His mom looks down and says "well which is it, you can't do both?"

[@agni-kai132]

the real psycho take is him using pixel smoothing on Castlevania: Harmony of Dissonance. absolutely degenerate to smooth them beautiful sprites

[@fibonacci8]

I can excuse murder, but I draw the line at stealing.

[@tomlxyz]

Private property > human lives

[@realhumanbean7915]

@@tomlxyz B-b-based???

[@crazando]

We're against both

[@Aeivious]

​@@crazandohow can you be? Saying i cant murder is against my negative liberty which is clearly based and positive liberty is for soycucklords.

[@Cynwale]

@@tomlxyz This man is against private property until I come to remove his computer and iPhone.

[@Apollo-iq1vx]

Libertarians: "corporations are enforcing a regime of wage slavery." Yes, I mean I can agree wi- Libertarians: "the solution is to give corporations more power by making the government weaker." ......oh.

[@ulthanesmorkums]

The corporations love the government, not the opposite. Who's better equipped to pay the government's fees? The small business or the mega corporation?

[@johnrose411]

@@ulthanesmorkumsshhh you’re gonna hurt his brain.

[@avalus6]

The funniest part of this video is hearing Vaush talk about 11am like that's early in the morning lol

[@FelisImpurrator]

It is. What are you, some kind of morning person?

[@ASolidSnack]

Maybe we need to take away the liberty for literally anyone to have a KZbin channel where they pretend to be smart

[@madlyjp]

so you and vaush

[@crazando]

​@@madlyjpbasically

[@dominusnoobus1589]

Yeah that would be vaush you’d be talking about

[@ragdoll_x_furry]

This guy randomly appeared on my recommended a few weeks ago and he's your run-of-the-mill "anti-woke" KZbinr. No actual arguments or sources, just vague allusions to "wokeness" and some imagined hypocrisy, strawmans and memes. Edit: Also I just have to chip in about the argument at 21:29. Whoever made that graph is literally just pulling numbers out of their ass and assuming that most of the money collected in taxes goes to paying the employees and bureaucrats who collect the taxes in the first place, which is completely false. The U.S. spends more money on healthcare than other developed countries but still has worse health outcomes, and every dollar that the IRS spends on auditing the top 10% of taxpayers yields $12 in revenue. We literally _make money_ collecting taxes, with only a fraction of a fraction of your taxes going to pay for the tax collection itself.

[@GoldenRedder]

ragdoll_x_furry If you think he doesn't cite sorces or make arguments then you clearly never watched him.

[@NewSocialistEraVideos]

(right-wing) Libertarians: Coercion is bad and should never happen... Also the same Libertarians: I'll force YOU to respect my version of private property rights and how I understand them or else!! Lolololol-

[@crazando]

Forcing you to not steal from us. Woah we're literally Hitler dude

[@Cynwale]

Ah yes, the good old strawman attack, next time on "I'm a commie!" we'll be focusing on how socialism made Nazism!

[@GrovelingPony]

"positive freedom is a grift" *Immediately describes a grift as an example of how negative freedom can work*

[@TheReykjavik]

Did anyone else notice that he misquoted Vaush, changing "base philosophical argument" to "based philosophical argument"? Vaush was talking base, as in foundation, defining the concept so discussion could be had, and this guy didn't want to grapple with the concept, so he just wrote it off as on opinion, "based" as in the opposite of "cringe" in Vaush's opinion. The dishonesty is pretty telling.

[@user-zb9lv3gh8s]

These people always have an undercurrent of dishonesty. Just look at Prager U implying that they're a university when they're just a pack of far right wing nuts trying to sound intellectual to people who don't know any better.

[@monty58]

I hate these rebranded republican libertarians. I have actual libertarian ideals, but it feels dirty to call them libertarian, because they've tainted the word. The first thing any real libertarian would be railing against would be copyright and patent law. They're the least libertarian laws out there, but none of them care, because none of them are actually anti government pro freedom. Just fascists that needed a rebrand

[@crazando]

Mentiswave is very much against copyright and patent laws and he's done videos on them.

[@flergindergin]

The Fumo/Vaush crossover is not one I ever expected to see.

[@aldxbaran]

why does everything I like have to be ruined by nazis god damnit

[@flergindergin]

@@aldxbaran if it makes you feel better most people watching the libertarians video probs don't know anything about Touhou Project or Fumos, they just see something vaguely anime and go "hell yeah."

[@GoldenRedder]

aldxbaran Something tells me you don't know what a nazi is

[@uraniumeaterr]

@@aldxbaran shit been ruined lmfao

[@uraniumeaterr]

@@flergindergin ts prolly not true touhou fans weird asl especially the ones who play the games

[@Turbopasta]

I don't even need audio for this one, the fact that this guy is using such aggressive smoothing filters on a 2D Castlevania game tells me everything I need to know

[@ItsjustTNT123]

Why do commies keep saying "xyz tells me everything I need to know about xyz" Like I've seen it like 5 times so far in this comment section.

[@MiaTheOtterPup]

@@ItsjustTNT123That's not something "commies" do, it's a common internet joke format that appears on all kinds of media. It has nothing to do with any kind of political or economic beliefs

[@j.h.oldman7708]

Somehow not surprised vaush doesn't seem to understand the difference between positive and negative rights.

[@des-trina]

Always fun when some right-wing "intelligencia" guy goes with "socialism is when gubbermint does stuff." Proves they have no idea what socialism is.

[@blankslate7315]

Any argument that makes the case that taxes are theft and slavery would also condemn wage labour, stolen and exploited labour value, imprisonment and capitalism itself for also being forms of theft and/or slavery, but I'm guessing that he wouldn't accept all of that (although to be perfectly honest I would be able to easily accept that.)

[@crazando]

The logic doesn't apply. On taxation you are forced to give money for your work or other things without your consent. But with wage labor you explicitly consent to it

[@eternalcanadiandevyt]

​@@crazandoYou consent to being taxed by virtue of existing in modern society. Assuming you aren't a silly teenager, you probably currently pay taxes. Seems pretty consensual to me.

[@nddragoon]

the upscaling filter on the retro game destroyed the libertarian in this debate

[@Alwaysaspy]

Anyone who plays video games in their videos (except us) is a fascist.

[@samuelbulow5291]

My sister and I had a short joking back and forth regarding libertarianism and my own political beliefs. We basically turned each other's into a job interview meme. When i did hers, I basically said that libertarians know and want to get to a form of feudalism in the end. I thought she'd push back on that a little but no, she fully admitted that's a possibility. She claimed to be opposed to it, and also admitted that that outcome is something she sees worryingly often online.

[@ScarlettR61]

There’s a libertarian tendency to go “welfare programs are feudalism/serfdom and therefore bad and also feudalism is good and we should return to it”

[@crazando]

As a libertarian I love feudalism. Read Frank Van Dun

[@neferiusnexus]

"so sad (not meaning it)" -this libertarian describing a person that's literally starving

[@uiyx4379]

voosh makes me incredibly doubtful of the future of society, how can anyone agree with this guy

[@hulkmt]

did you watch the video?

[@tommyscott9085]

​​@@hulkmt Im gonna assume you are a troll.

[@pieynot9084]

​@@hulkmt I watched the video. He completely misrepresents his point and calls him a nazi on top of that with no evidence to back it up. He is known for doing this.

[@_APG_]

@@pieynot9084 The midwits can't even spot the most openly blatant fallacious arguments, and they are too busy waiting to be told what they should all agree with. (Therefore of course; out group should not be taken seriously and is bad.) How can they be expected to understand the outsiders concepts when they can't even spot Voosh's blatant fallacies?

[@dominusnoobus1589]

Stupid people do 😂

[@darkchiron]

"If you just remove all laws the hyper-rich will help out their neighbors!" says the libertarian, living in a world where the rich have at no point shown that's how they behave.

[@damiandassen7763]

Vaush is really good at strawmanning and seemingly deliberately misrepresenting libertarian viewpoints, and the libertarian guy in the video is genuinely bad at actually properly representing libertarian arguments.

[@WokeandProud]

Then make a video doing it better than.

[@Spongebrain97]

No Vaush has literally debated Libertarian guys running for president and they all have the same terrible conclusions and usually are immoral on some weird level

[@hulkmt]

no need to do strawmanning when libertarians make videos sounding dumb

[@2vexy]

Ah yes, the typical libertarian excuse: people who disagree with libertarianism just don't understand it and people who are libertarians but lose debates on it also don't understand it.

[@damiandassen7763]

Then why does Vaush need to strawman? @@hulkmt

[@nati0598]

"Vaush's example of negative freedom was completely detached from reality and absurdist, let me give you one where aliens come to earth and create the version of communism I've learned from my libertarian dad when I was 3"

[@themadmanescaped1]

How the hell do these people expect police to work? Who is paying our military and cops if the government isn't collecting taxes?

[@BlisaBLisa]

warlords. coca cola private military lol

[@crazando]

Private policing

[@themadmanescaped1]

@@crazando if that's what he believes that's even worse then the current situation we have with police. There's no government capability to regulate them and they would get away with far more brutality.

[@Aeivious]

​@@crazandoand who funds them?

[@crazando]

@@themadmanescaped1 the brutality would be limited because the people they are enacting a punishment on must be violating property rights. Or else there can be litigation and neither side is innately preferred

[@ThePorpoisepower]

Government can't function without taxes. Government needs taxation to implement whatever rules they adopt, whatever services they provide, and whatever means they protect their populace. Also known as rights and regulation, public services, and the police/military. This triad of functions, are all dependent on each other. If Libertarians, and other types of anarchists, had their way Government would collapse, and our society would quickly fall into tribalism and warlords would quickly take over. I'm sure Libertarians will enjoy they're post government world of drug production and enforced prostitution when Wilbur down the block turns out to have a few dozen armed buddies and decides to take over the neighborhood.

[@journeymanic9605]

Once again I reiterate, "Without taxes theft isn't illegal."

[@edanan99]

It still carries consequences, as all actions do. Thieves and tyrants always get theirs in due time. Just because some government isn't there to declare what you've done wrong and punish you for it, doesn't mean others won't.

[@journeymanic9605]

@edanan9897 Government isn't there to declare someone has done wrong. Government is, ostensibly, there to balance the scales of power in favor of those who are wronged. Libertarians will cry, "But the government is always corrupt." And I'm like, "Okay, so you want to make it worse? An unreliable counter measure is better than none at all." In their society, an individual's rights don't matter just the size of someone's wallet. It's might makes right in a fancy suit.

[@Bryndleson]

​@@edanan99the entire idea of ownership is a construction of the state

[@edanan99]

@@Bryndleson hmmm. I wonder how people were able to own things before the existence of states. We know even monkeys can be trained to trade with each other and respect each other's property... Maybe because raw power is the LAST thing that mediates most human interactions, and reciprocal respect is what actually reigns supreme between sane and well-adjusted people? Idk. Just a thought. Maybe psychopaths and narcissists who can only think in terms of power would see it differently...

[@crazando]

Without taxes theft is still immoral. Morality trumps legality. Or else the Holocaust would be fine then?

[@angelasmith5019]

So every society has taxes? But what about Dubai. There are no taxes and everyone is rich. Socialism destroyed. If we had no taxes we would all be rich like Dubai oil lords 😎

[@Coliflower185]

man why does poe's law gotta be so accurate

[@narikobeilschmidt]

a RIGHT WING video essay? didn't expect that lmao

[@xuxuang8574]

The final boss of video essayist brainrot.

[@realhumanbean7915]

“Video essay”

[@Virtualblueart]

His example with the bread is stupid because bread regulations were put in place for good reason. Bakers and millers had been puffing up their flour supply/production with fine grain dust, wood dust or even fine sand leading to obvious health and tooth hazards. They also tended to still use spoiled grain and flour infected with ergot to bake bread instead of throwing it out, potentially causing convulsions and even gangrene like symptoms when eaten. So some rules governing what is allowed or not allowed in bread are really needed.

[@tirushone6446]

I like how at this point the "VAUSH BAD HITPEICE" is becoming a recurring series

[@sargonsblackgrandfather2072]

When he said social policies meant everyone being, “equally poor” my eyes rolled so hard I thought I might be having a mini stroke

[@crazando]

You would be making everyone equally poor if you're a communist or redistributor. Your dissatisfaction with that fact doesn't make you right

[@Cynwale]

California being the commie dream, people walking down the streets in BDSM suits, drug addicts stabbing innocents who thought they owned anything in a commie land, black people rioting to steal things instead of paying for them like every normal human being has to do, democrats making 1.200.000$ each day without sharing a cent but it's fine because only others have to share. Truly a Communist dream, you can see it by how many people are leaving this state ASAP.

[@SpencerCJ]

Libertarians want all the benefits of a modern society but none of the things needed to make it happen. They are just kids mad that they have to share sometimes

[@tverdyznaqs]

a rightoid vaush bad video - refreshing!

[@crazando]

Glad to be a rightoid

[@tverdyznaqs]

@@crazando Why is your channel banner half space and half bananas?

[@Cynwale]

@@tverdyznaqs Excellent question.

[@justinakkerman9196]

Libertarians are both fun and necessary to debunk even if Vaush finds it beneath him. I remember I was once debating a libertarian who was a financial planner, and when discussing income tax he said that with the top tax bracket being $200,000.00, he would only be incentivised to make $199,999.99 because making that extra cent would mean his taxes would increase to 37%. He was a financial planner and yet he doesn't know what a progressive tax rate was. He literally thought once you make $200,000 in a year then every cent of that $200K would be taxed at 37%.

[@LarryLopez91]

Makes you wonder just how many people are that blatantly incompetent at their jobs in society.

[@Alex-0597]

Alternatively, he knew it doesn't work like that but thought you didn't know that, so he could bullshit you into agreeing with flat taxes

[@user-zb9lv3gh8s]

​@@Alex-0597I dunno, most of the financial planners I've met were pretty dim bulbs.

[@Cynwale]

Look like you are talking about a guy I knew in pre-school, his name was "Ayme Lailing." and he had tendencies to not be there. Also, you're going to lose the next election.

[@slightlyoffensive6641]

Recently watched the video by this guy on Adam Something's Anarcho-capitalism in practice series, and he completely misses the mark. Even using libertarian beliefs, his arguments can be debunked. Devoid of all intelligent thought.

[@crazando]

Adamsomething indeed does make such stupid and bad arguments

[@ficialintelligence1869]

Vaush: "In other words, you can put cyanide in the bread." And at the same time... Me: "Meaning, you can poison the bread without consequences."

[@alexsmith2910]

Me: "you can put arsonic in the bread."

[@tomlxyz]

Libertarians: "If you put cyanide into bread you'll lose customers and they'll go to your competitor instead"

[@miskatonic_alumni]

Once tyrannical health & safety regulations are slashed, we can once again enjoy the divine gift of St. Anthony's fire.

[@ficialintelligence1869]

@@tomlxyz No. They -- and innocent people -- will die off in vast numbers _first_ ... until the culprit is caught. Oh, that's right. No regulatory or policing agencies to do the investigations.

[@guillaumelagueyte1019]

If chat wants a debate against libertarians, send them to Sam Seder, he loves it

[@xMawkKnightx]

The libertarian used his negative freedom by turning on that disgusting smooth renderer gba emulator filter.

[@Fresh_yams]

Libertarians feel like they get robbed when they put bread in the toaster and get toast back

[@crazando]

The toaster won't kill me if I don't put bread in it

[@thefuriousfatty2297]

Another day , another vaush bad hitpeice

[@purplepotatoes9255]

Holy shit the cope from right libertarians in the comments

[@Prometheus1464]

Poor people want to live happy lives too?? Ew no, they're poor... They clearly chose to not be a valuable worker horse.

[@lucassaunier4911]

PDFs try not to mischaracterize arguments and say newtzi, challenge impossible

[@Artemi099]

Nah libertarians are just straight up stupid lmao.

[@MaytayMaya]

You know someone thinks their smart when they've got a rantsona in the corner that emotes as they speak.

[@danielvanryn6979]

its the tolerance paradox argument again. Its every time with libertarians. "How can you be tolerant if you aren't tolerant of my intolerance". Every time its alienated teens and manchildren who feel slighted by reality when they are told no.

[@crazando]

The state, not reality

[@tonytoxic5651]

thats a good point but do you condemn hamas vaush thats what matters here

[@jambott5520]

Vaush has arguably spending too much time condemning hamas, with a number of videos arguing with leftists trying to justify hamas' actions.

[@deltafx9462]

Vaush, stop coping. You got owned.

[@Lysander_Spooner]

Vaush is one logical fallacy after another. 😂

[@Argumemnon]

Libertarians aren't libertarian. They just want to keep all the money AND have access to the services that money would pay for.

[@crazando]

Nope, we just want to keep our money and not force anyone else to pay for our services

[@lexj432hz6]

“Taxation is theft” Then just stop paying taxes. “But I’m forced to!” No you’re not. “The police will show up at my door.” Then just runaway or fight them. “They’ll take my house.” Then just be homeless. Or again, just fight them and stop them from taking it. “But grocery stores take sales tax.” Then just walk around with a ‘will work for food sign.’ “But that’s such a crappy life.” BOOM you got it! Then just pay taxes. “bUt I dOnT wAnT tO!” 🤦‍♂️

[@LiamDrake-tz8jr]

same for every crime

[@Badartist888]

Libertarians are always a bit stupid because its the mindset of someone who can't imagine two aspects of society or two concepts at once. Because the nanosecond you try to picture more than one aspect of libertarianism together it instantly falls appart. My favourite hypothetical is this. You own your property and have a deed for it. I, with 5 of my friends who are all enjoying their 2nd amendment rights, turn up and say that my (clearly forged) deed for your property is correct and I'm exercising my property rights to kick you out. What do you do? Property rights rely on the existence of government to protect them. There is no answer apart from getting some private security firm which I will just then say I pay them more to go away.

[@lewis4200]

Libertarianism is not the same thing as Anarcho-Capitalism. Libertarians like myself want a small government with low taxes and minimal regulations - whose primary purpose is to use their monopoly on violence to prevent people's rights from being violated. (ie people stealing your house) Very few of us want NO government at all, with NO taxes and NO regulations or laws whatsoever.

[@VeronicaM-pf8oo]

This is why I'm so glad there was no KZbin when I was in my 20's. I could speak and write with such confidence, even if I was 100 percent wrong.

[@tomlxyz]

For me there was and it made me realize that hearing something from one source shouldn't make me confident enough to just spread it without question

[@VeronicaM-pf8oo]

@@tomlxyz I'm at the upper edge age-wise for the Vaush audience (50+, yo). If I had to contend with a video I posted to a site (that had not yet existed), I'd curl up in a ball and die. Ian's embarased about his online behaviour from five years ago. Bruv, five years ago was like yesterday.

[@kerryhuyghe8387]

You were never wrong

[@LPVince94]

Uh boy the little man starts of with the worst possible analogy for his cause. Wanna know why German bread is so fucking good? Yeah an extensive body of regulatory laws on every aspect of the trade. Same with the beer btw.

[@LddStyx]

Libertarians seem to treat ownership as axiomatic for some reason - forgetting that it too is an example of a positive freedom guarantied to them by the society they live in.

[@crazando]

Libertarians are very fine with defending it ourselves

[@Aeivious]

​@@crazandowith what tool? Take any libertarian view point and walk it back and realize how ridiculous it is. Did you make the gun? No you probably bought it, from who and how did you get there? How will you know gun will work as intended. Etc etc.

[@2vexy]

@@crazando Then go fight the government buddy, why are you letting them take your money via taxes?

[@radiokunio3738]

Yes because before government people just left you enter their homes without issue.

[@LddStyx]

​@@radiokunio3738 There were plenty of "issues" on that topic of ownership before government. Everyone got to chose between owning a thing and living. Most of the living didn't own anything and the dead can't own anything. Because no one man could stand against ten so the ten owned that mans house. And no ten men could stand against a hundred so the hundred owned the city. So on and so forth until you have a King at the top of the hierarchy of people that work together to own everything deciding what everyone else may do with His things, hence Laws. Our modern property right extend those protections to the common man. So that you can leave your home without relinquishing your ownership to it. You can own a farm without patrolling its perimeter. You can own a company in one town while living in another.

[@LunarNeedle]

The amount of times Voosh was said was awe inspiring. The commitment to the bit is 10/10. Shame his actual content was 0/10 bullshit though.

[@user-zb9lv3gh8s]

I thought he was being super-clever and was saying 'douche' I guess even that was too much for this twit.