New Ford C4 Product Announcement

[@AdamRynne-wb4rr]

Second gear trans brake is a great idea, I would definitely use this

[@BroaderPerformance]

Thank you for the feedback

[@danielwilson6665]

“Made in USA” is a statement of pride by the manufacturer and important for the consumer to know. Many combinations still need a 3-speed C4, reverse valve body transmission with optional trans-brake for strip or street applications. A big NO on the 2nd gear brake idea for the same reasons you mentioned.

[@BroaderPerformance]

I'm an old fool who still takes pride in making things in USA. I appreciate the feedback

[@danielwilson6665]

@@BroaderPerformance Jay you’re not old and definitely nobody’s fool. But we both know about the made in USA pride 🇺🇸

[@justinfargas2367]

Keep on keeping on my man. Loving your work from down under here in Australia.

[@BroaderPerformance]

Thank you we appreciate the comments

[@KON-zr8ml]

Jay, I used to work at Marlin Firearms years ago. Instead of programming endmills to make the numbers, or hammering them with number stamps. Your Serial Number Solution could be done by using a Laser Etching Machine. The software can be integrated into your Business Records Software to include Product, Settings, and Purchaser. Just a suggestion. Good Luck with your designs, and continued success with bringing the Counterfeiters to their knees. *Edit* You can also burn in an individual QR Code so Cellphones can pull up the info.

[@GaryH-pw9cm]

It is important to get a trademark on any product. I used to make control valves and had patents, trademarks, model and serial numbers to discourage copycats. Find a unique name for a trademark and use it on all products and advertising. The laser etching is a good idea as it is not easy to duplicate.

[@BroaderPerformance]

I appreciate your support and suggestions

[@johng397]

Purchased a reverse manual valve body kit a while back. Once I learned how it works I love it!

[@BroaderPerformance]

Thank you we appreciate the business

[@markevans7307]

C4 fwd w/brake, put me on the list!

[@Daniel-S1]

I hope you find a way to put a serial number on each part you make + some kind of unique seal design you can stamp onto it.

[@droppedf100]

I’m 100% in on a 1-2 leave c6 trans brake valve body. I have your normal 1st gear leave vb currently but with my big motor on the street I think the 2nd gear leave will help a ton

[@BroaderPerformance]

Forward or reverse pattern? Thanks for the feedback and business.

[@droppedf100]

@@BroaderPerformancereverse for me

[@GaryH-pw9cm]

A 65 66 C4 Valve body will work in a later C4 case with minor modifications. I have been running a 65 valve body in a 74 case for 10 years no problem. You can have automatic 1-2-3 or 2-3 shift. I use the 2-3 shift in my 427 W hotrod most of the time as I don't need low gear with the light weight and 427 W power. Never thought about a trans brake in second gear, but it could be useful on some race applications.

[@BroaderPerformance]

Interesting. Thanks for sharing the information.

[@GaryH-pw9cm]

@@BroaderPerformance Here is how to put a 65-66 C4 valve body into a later C4 transmission if you ever need to. You need a 65-66 valve body, a 65-66 inner manual lever, JB weld. Two slots on the primary throttle valve in the case need to filled in on one side about 1/4 inch with JB weld and then trimmed flat with a razor blade. This keeps the slots from leaking when the valve body is installed. Replace the inner manual lever with the 65-66 lever. Some later cases have a slightly different mounting location for the linkage that requires some grinding of the 65 -66 inner lever, most cases don't. Remove one valve body bolt so it does not interfere with the case. Install the 65-66 valve body. Thats it. Now the later C4 works just like a 65 -66 C4.

[@mattlyons6134]

We've been making forward manuals and transbrakes at Dynamic for many years now.Interested to see your take on one!

[@BroaderPerformance]

I guess I never asked if you guys had these. Do you sell many? I'm going to engrave dynamic on mine. Kidding of course!

[@mattlyons6134]

@@BroaderPerformance we sell our fair share. But I make sure the buyer understands that they cannot go to neutral at the end of the pass. Mostly sell to vintage racers who don't want to install a aftermarket shifter in their console.

[@GaryH-pw9cm]

@@mattlyons6134 I have seen where a 1/2 inch Kingston valve is used on the line pressure test port to dump the line pressure back to the pan at the end of a pass. This disables the transmission control system as long as the valve is open, Then closing the valve enables the control system again. No valve body modifications required.

[@ablokeinatroopyaustraliawide]

Do you do a forward manual for the early style screw in modulator c6 if yes what is you website and will you ship to Australia? @mattylyons6134

[@gradyfarrer5146]

2nd gear leave is a very common option for th400 Loads of shops (myself included) design and sell transbrakes with 2nd gear leave option. Customer is informed of the risk and there are many ways to create safety stops with modern ecu's To be fair, you can still "accidentally" engage the transbrake with a 1st gear leave and cause lots of damage...and how often do you see that with your customers? If it's easy for you to add, I'd say add it as an option and an upcharge and sell as many as people will buy

[@BroaderPerformance]

Good points. Thanks for the feedback

[@GaryH-pw9cm]

Good point. People will pay more if they can get what want. On one time purchases they will sometimes pay a lot more.

[@gregh6794]

Some good options coming out 😊. Forward pattern be popular as will using those odd C5 valvebodies The C4 is already stressed enough without a 2nd gear leave. A similar billet kit for a C6 would be a winner I think in forward or reverse pattern since cores are drying up. Love the complete billet setup. My latest kits I ordered are the “made in USA 🇺🇸 “ 😊

[@BroaderPerformance]

Thank you for the feedback. I want to redesign the C6 manual select valve so it doesn't have hydraulic resistance when the pump is running especially at high pressure.

[@GaryH-pw9cm]

@@BroaderPerformance I am surprised that someone has not made a remote mounted battery powered variable speed electric hydraulic pump for drag race transmissions. This way the transmission pump gears could be removed for more engine power. It would only have to run for a little while. The battery and pump could be mounted in the back of the car where it needs the weight.

[@428Mario]

No real comment beyond love your parts. Helps my c4 last a lot longer

[@BroaderPerformance]

Thank you. We appreciate the business and support

[@cjespers]

I like a forward pattern vb. Thanks for the video, Jay.

[@GaryH-pw9cm]

Me too. A reverse shift always seem to me like something was wrong with the transmission. 😧

[@BroaderPerformance]

Thank you for the feedback

[@Adrenacyde]

Jay, will be calling to order #1 off the line tomorrow. Been wanting a C4 Manual Forward Pattern Transbrake valvebody for quite some time. Reverse pattern just doesn't feel right to me. Still *MANY* people building/using/racing C4s out there.

[@GaryH-pw9cm]

I would like to see a manual C4 valve body that had a feature where the line pressure could be controlled. One setting for the race track and one lower one for the street. The high pressures in manual valve bodies can be hard on the pumps when driven on the street.

[@BroaderPerformance]

Good point. It could be done but may make for a costly valve body design.

[@GaryH-pw9cm]

@@BroaderPerformance The pressure control valve booster valve in reverse makes 225 PSI line pressure. Maybe the boost valve could be used with a solenoid valve and a switch for higher line pressure and just use the stock pressure springs for normal street use. Just a thought. 🤔

[@JohnathanHudson-zg5wk]

A clean neutral would have my vote over a 1/2 but honestly id incorporate both a clean neutral and the 1/2 leave option. Same as most pro type 400 valve bodies.

[@BroaderPerformance]

Got it thanks for your input

[@fmerkl]

Keep up the good work Jay!

[@BroaderPerformance]

Thank you. I try not to get discouraged.

[@GaryH-pw9cm]

I would guess there are a lot of these C5 valve bodies laying around. I have one here out in the parts pile that I have never used. I think you may have a winner. But I would put a serial number on each one so they can be tracked. Only one serial number per kit would help to identify the real ones. There can only be one unique number per unit.

[@BroaderPerformance]

I'm not sure how many are out there because they only made them for a few years but I'm hoping we can sell some of these. Always a gamble.

[@RustyorBroken]

The question is: how many 2nd gear trans brakes do you really think will sell? You know how it goes, guys say they want something but then when it comes time they are nowhere to be found. If only a handful of guys actually step up then it's not worth it because it won't even cover the development costs. You would want to do this on a pre-order basis. Get 100 or so guys to pony up the money (or at least a deposit) then build them.

[@baby-sharkgto4902]

💯

[@BroaderPerformance]

That's the million dollar question. It's a risk for sure. I have had designs that worked well but didn't sell and had to discontinue them. Sometimes it takes years just to recoup costs .

[@drewsharpe7484]

Nice stuff Jay! Keep on innovating!

[@GaryH-pw9cm]

A valve body I would like to see is a trigger torque valve body for a C4. These were used on 55-56-57 Fords and Mercury's. It was a factory modification to wake up the old, tired Ford o Matic. It was an instant hit with the younger crowd as the modification gave the heavy Fords and Mercuries a power boost off the line. It worked like this. When the car was in drive it would start out in second gear like any Ford o Matic but let it roll out about 15 feet at half throttle then floor it and it would quickly kick down to low gear and then a hard power shift to second about 30 MPH at full throttle. Ford heavily promoted this feature in 55 as a Thunderbird Trigger Torque performance in all models of Fords. But people were Trigger Torquing at every stop light causing complaints of low gas mileage. So, in 56 and 57 there was no mention of this feature in Ford advertising. Still, I think it would be a neat feature to have in a C4. Yes, you can do this with a manual valve body, but it would not be the same as the automatic Trigger Torque feature where you just floor it and let it do its thing. 😊

[@BroaderPerformance]

Thank you. I will do my best.

[@GaryH-pw9cm]

I will add my personal experience with the Trigger Torque feature of the 55 57 Ford O Matic. A friend of mine in high school had a 57 Mercury with a 368 engine and the Trigger Torque transmission. The takeoff of the heavy 57 Merc was impressive. I had a 51 Mercury at the time (1966) and wanted to put a Trigger Torque transmission in my 51for more go. I found out that the 57 transmission was not a direct bolt in. But I found a way to get Trigger Torque that worked even better. Back then salvage yards were different than today. There were piles of old transmissions that were just scrap metal waiting to load into railroad cars. So the salvage yard guy would sell transmissions and parts by the pound. I was able to mix and match parts from 55 -57 Ford O Matics and install them into the 50- 54 Ford O Matic. The 50-54 Ford O Matics had lower gears than the 55-57 Ford O Matics which was a plus as the Flathead V8 needed all the help it could get to move the big old Merc. Here is how I converted the 51 Merc to Trigger Torque operation. The valve body, intermediate servo and pressure regulator from the 55-57 will bolt into the 50-54 case. The 55-57 bands are wider and will fit the 50-54 drums. The clutch plates will not interchange. The 50-54 friction clutch plates were bronze plated and would slip under load. Best to use new later style clutch plates which were expensive in 1966. Give the pressure regulator spring a little stretch to increase line pressure and you are good to go. Worked great with very hard shifts that would break low gear bands and U joints. It had everything a high school kid in 1966 on a limited budget could ask for. 😊The most difficult part was adjusting the throttle rod to the transmission to get the shift points just right,

[@joeb9793]

Would love a forward pattern valve body with a brake for both of the C-4’s I have!

[@BroaderPerformance]

Thank you for the feedback

[@shawnfc3s]

I personally would love a forward pattern with trans brake especially for an early style case.

[@BroaderPerformance]

Thanks for your input. Product coming soon....

[@robertbruneau112]

i love the idea of the forward manual w/trans brake, click nutral in the lights. Jay can you take other co valvebody and convert to trans brake? I have a D-------c thanks

[@BroaderPerformance]

I typically can't with other valve bodies. The Transbrake function is not as easy as just adding the extra solenoid unfortunately.

[@MartinMcMartin]

Do you put serial numbers on your parts now? And I know guys running TH400's that transbrake in second to calm the car down when the track is a little tricky.

[@BroaderPerformance]

We are working on that. Thanks for the feedback

[@johnathangehring9370]

I would love a 2nd gear leave trans brake I'm sure there alot of other guys that would also . It will change the drag racing world . I would sign a waiver if you could custom build me one

[@BroaderPerformance]

Thank you for the feedback

[@reeflx7199]

Very interested in a forward pattern trans brake valve body.

[@BroaderPerformance]

Thank you for the feedback

[@ablokeinatroopyaustraliawide]

love ya videos, spewin ya not doing the forward pattern early c6 mvb but as you said in email cores are hard to get. regards Dave from Australia

[@BroaderPerformance]

We appreciate the support and comments

[@jimmymcbeth7732]

I want to know who's leaving in 2nd gear and @ what RPM ? And whats your rear end gear ? That would make My 1st gear ratio 5.67 😳

[@BroaderPerformance]

I can't tell you. Hopefully someone will chime in.

[@digitald5851]

Came to hear him say "Sharks" Still waiting

[@spurgear]

1+2 brakes for 400s and high gear brakes for PGs - also have that concern - but I don't know of this ever happening on the track (brake apply)

[@BroaderPerformance]

I think the main reason transmissions lock up is due to internal part failure and not so much from accidental apply of a Transbrake. You hate to add to the possibilities though.

[@faststang85]

What would you need 2nd gear transbrake for? I don't understand? Btw I would like to see you also come out with new products for gm transmissions or newer ford stuff aod/4r70w, 6r80 etc.

[@BroaderPerformance]

That's my question as well. I will be coming out with a pro tree style Transbrake for the 4R70W that will have an external solenoid.

[@elvingoertzen8261]

Do all your T-brake valve bodies have engine braking in 1st gear? Is there an some advantage in having it braking or non-braking?

[@BroaderPerformance]

Yes they do. It protects the one way clutch from being broken on a hard launch.

[@elvingoertzen8261]

Does your new C5 transbrake valvebody kit have engine braking in 1st gear?

[@BroaderPerformance]

Yes it does. Works just like the C4 kit.

[@edsmachine93]

Nice product. How much Horsepower can a built C4 take if properly built? Have a great weekend. 👍

[@jimmymcbeth7732]

Im pushing 800 hp I built it, but I bought what good parts that's in it. I'm still a long ways away from having All the good stuff.

[@edsmachine93]

@@jimmymcbeth7732 Thanks Jimmy, I appreciate the feedback. I was enquiring for a friend. Have a good evening. 👍

[@BroaderPerformance]

In my opinion roughly 800hp they seem to hold up well. Beyond that they require a lot of maintenance. A lot of factors apply that can change that number though.

[@ChasingPerfection]

I'll be in contact in a month or so for a torque converter for a customer's 66 Mustang. 370hp, 302 crate engine with a c4 w/gear vender unit.

[@BroaderPerformance]

We appreciate that.

[@baby-sharkgto4902]

I just bought one of these from Summit. KIDDING!!!

[@BroaderPerformance]

Damn those guys are fast. Haha

[@rtz549]

2nd gear C4 is like those 2 speed T400's.

[@symoncabral8609]

Thats a nice peice

[@BroaderPerformance]

Thank you

[@drewsharpe7484]

Anyway you could make a lockup c4/c5 with brake?

[@BroaderPerformance]

That would be tough because the bell doesn't have enough room unless you use a c5 bell and it would require a new pump and stator. I don't think the valve body would be too hard to do.

[@GaryH-pw9cm]

@@BroaderPerformance The C5 book I have said that a C4 Pump cannot be used in a C5 because of the converter pressure relief valve is now in the valve body. I have used a C5 pump in a C4 and nothing bad happened. So I guess that is ok to do.

[@roberthirshfield3571]

Do you do any 1989 aod valve body updates

[@BroaderPerformance]

We sell valve bodies when we have cores to build but we don't have any diy stuff for them.

[@rtz549]

Do a video on all the weak points on a C4 that keep it from being good for 3,000+hp.

[@GaryH-pw9cm]

I wished someone could make a bolt on 2-inch pump extension that would put the pump 2 inches forward. This would allow for longer Forward and direct clutch drums for more clutch plates. For drag racers it would solve a lot of problems with burnt clutches.😊

[@BroaderPerformance]

I can't see a c4 ever being close to that. I'd say weak points would be every component for that level.

[@rtz549]

See about doing a part that does away with the need for any factory valve body parts.

[@jimmymcbeth7732]

One day they will but it's going to cost as much as the transmission (C4)

[@BroaderPerformance]

The new forward pattern will be 100 percent new.

[@chucksgarage7165]

I laughed out loud at 3:35!!!!

[@larrysasser690]

What’s the price on the new unit?

[@BroaderPerformance]

The c5 kit will be the same as the C4 kit. The new forward valve bodies I'm not sure yet but I'm trying my best not to raise the price over the current reverse brake we have now.

[@jjjustin17favs]

I see no need for a 2nd gear trans brake

[@BroaderPerformance]

Thanks for the feedback

[@mikeholmstrom1899]

No gasket?

[@BroaderPerformance]

No gasket required

[@Michael-s4r1y]

Made in THE USA!!🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@user-lx9jm1wo3h]

I dont know what this is, but Jays says its a big sea turtle.

[@jamesgeorge4874]

"Six guys, making a stink" 😂 I worked at a shop with a reputable builder, he wouldn't put a trans brake in anything, unless he *really* trusted you, so that was 2 people. Too much liability.

[@BroaderPerformance]

I used to feel the same way. I used to refuse to install transbrakes and now it's mostly all I build. Go figure.

[@jamesgeorge4874]

@@BroaderPerformance You aren't constrained by fear of what the end user does with it. The person I referenced is incredibly talented,.but I've see him turn down a money-is-no-object build, because he didn't like their vibe.... It's his loss, in the end. When people are lined up to have you fix their stuff, you get to pick and choose, also. The transmission business is a niche of It's own, in the greater automotive industry.

[@symoncabral8609]

Do you guys just do fords

[@BroaderPerformance]

These days yes. I'm usually really busy with the Fords so I don't branch out as much as I used to.

[@symoncabral8609]

@@BroaderPerformance thats fair

[@1959nickd]

you're funny