New Hunt the Front venture draws negative reactions, but why?

[@dbsnyder4503]

Been watching HTF from the beginning in Dirt Daddy's shop. But I'm not spending $30 a month to get a few races, with few big names competing.

[@bdash89]

Same here

[@topmfg5505]

there is good locals and great racing nation wide just because they dont run with them doesn’t mean the racing isnt good

[@Justinvancemckinney]

Agreed

[@vtking310]

Trying to build their business I get it but

[@KR-ti5uz]

I'm with you

[@Bamapride1000]

I think they’re going about it the right way and not trying to step on to many toes. Their racing series is the southeast and trying to make it so folks don’t have to travel as far to race for good money, smart move with the streaming service. If everybody else can do it why can’t they? They’re gonna need every source of income to make this thing go and everybody has the opportunity to do whatever business they wish in this FREE country. More power to em

[@bryonkidder6199]

Who's "everyone else" that started their own series and their own streaming service? I didn't know of anyone else but them...lmao!

[@JesseEnterkin]

Don’t talk facts and logic. People hate it. Jk.. nicely put Josh McElroy

[@CuzznDave]

I agree bothways don't like to see it but more power to them. They did say nothing on KZbin is going to change so we will see.

[@jimmyjolly4184]

Byron Kidder lucas oil owns MAVTV and WRG owns DirtonDirt so what's wrong with them owning their own streaming service?

[@bryonkidder6199]

@@jimmyjolly4184 is that "everyone" in your book too? What racing teams does MAVTV own and operate? How's bout WRG? How many cars do they field per race? There's a saying that goes "stay in your own lane" that I think applies here...lol

[@kingcars]

Personally, I have no issues with the HTF thing (though it is a bit pricy), but I think most of us are suffering from streaming service fatigue. We've literally come full circle (and then some) from the days of bloated and overpriced cable TV packages, which is what spawned the popularity of streaming services in the first place. Now everyone and their mom wants to charge $15-30/mo for their individual piece of the pie. It adds up quick.

[@toddfletcher64]

You nailed and now they’re sliding in quite a few commercials to boot.

[@joshlehnertz2726]

$30/month for HTF $40/month for XR $40/month for dirt vision $15/month (essentially) for flo JUST for late models if you get them all you’re paying over $120/month on streaming services. With the overwhelming majority of dirt late model fans being the working middle class that’s just too much.

[@jackdonkey22]

Agree with everyone on price. However once the season starts back up and we start paying $15-25 a night the price won't seem so bad.

[@tawnytully5119]

Haters gonna hate !🤯 You Guys are Great ! Just brush it off

[@brandonbounds7992]

It’s not the streaming service. It’s paying $30 a month for a start up streaming service.

[@johnstark4723]

Well many have to make a choice between streaming and eating and buying meds. $30 a month is way too high for elderly and disabled on fixed incomes.

[@jerrylewis4509]

I love that they are doing it I will be getting it

[@T-Bone0671]

I dropped XR in favor of the HTF TV, it's $10 a month cheaper than XR and I get more racing from the area where I live VS watch a race up in North Dakota where I don't know any or very few of the names. It's a great move on they're part to fill in that missing regional niche.

[@Living_EDventures]

Offer a deal for an annual subscription would be a good option.

[@scottfrank7838]

Let me say this....I am all for HTF to succeed. However, it will not come from me paying for an overpriced streaming service. The current price as stated is $30 a month for a service that may or may not provide content only a few days a month. Now the competition has more available content and either at the same price or much less. Also, let us look at other streaming services like Netflix, hulu, ect. that provide a service that has multiple choices of content that you can watch when and where you want for a price less than $30 a month. To me this is all about bang for my buck. I am all for paying for what I want to watch, but it has to be at a fair and competitive market price. I am comparing apples to oranges and oranges to oranges. The bottom line is it has to be worth what I am willing to pay. If I want to pay gate prices I expect to be given a gate experience(the sounds, the smells and the atmosphere) which I already know I do not get from a streaming race or service.

[@matthewjohnston1400]

Between KZbin channel paid subscriptions, Patreon, and streaming services, it gets expensive supporting content creators. But I do enjoy HTF.

[@jimmyjolly4184]

People forget that alot of older dirt track fans are shut ins and this gives them a chance to see racing at a reasonable price

[@Dan-jl1fk]

If a local track doesn't improve the facility or the show, blaming streaming is a cop out. Lots of revenue left on the table at most tracks.

[@briandodgen2631]

I think on the business side they are doing the right thing but on the personal side I think in the long run it will hurt them ... people became fans because they were a small backyard race team and wanted to support them now with a few big sponcers they are no longer a small team ... small grass roots teams don't have 4 brand new 40,000 dollar race cars and a 100.000 worth of engines sitting around .. if they make this about money it will bite them maybe they should have kept there day jobs like the rest of us have to afford to race ...

[@casey6518]

Yes, I made a comment on their KZbin video yesterday, I'm not wasting $30 a month for the HTF TV, if they had a reasonable yearly subscription like FLO, $150 for the year I would do it. Most of the comments I saw were most said it was too expensive & they weren't gonna do it.

[@travisrickett5681]

I was a big HTF from the beginning, but last summer I suggested that they might want to switch to a different car manufacturer, Well all their top Facebook fans all but dog cuss me for saying such a thing, and just a few weeks later they got a longhorn car. I still wish the best for them, but know longer follow their site.

[@dirtycircles5259]

If they couldn't get a deal made with another streaming service i understand completely. I think the biggest point of contention with most folks is the price point flo and dirtvision are giving you the superstars of the sport no matter what your into. HTF just cant offer that and at that price point the juice isn't worth the squeeze to most folks . I wish them nothing but the best of luck and hope they prove me wrong

[@wadebartholomew7436]

I think it's a very smart move to bring in revenue go htf

[@bismanlive]

A majority of the broadcasters that are a part of Speed Sport TV network only do a per race price of $20 so a $30 monthly isn’t bad in comparison. Numerous tracks in my area stream their own races at that price.

[@barryallen6612]

I wish them the best ! But my budget only goes so far with flo,dirtvison and season tickets to tri state trip to Rossburg for the 4 crown! Great show as usual 👏

[@thelastwaltsmedia]

I think its important to note theyre not changing their format on their youtube channel so when it comes down to it, people are still getting to watch them for free like literally 3/4 days tops after they race, with behind the scenes footage. I've got no problem with it since i payed for Flo and thats all i feel like i need/can afford since mainly i just miss my friends at East Bay, however doesn't their youtube contradict paying for the live feed? Just a thought for everyone.

[@ComeBackSpecialist7x]

The only issue i had with it, was cost. $30/month is damn near DirtVision territory. A hard pill to swallow IMO.

[@andrewgorniak6173]

I have a question for you do you go to any outlaw or Lucas races because you spend more to go to the track and watch for one race

[@ComeBackSpecialist7x]

@@andrewgorniak6173 you do not have to justify cost to me lmao. Last year i was at a racetrack maybe 95 times. It’s still the principle of cost. I love HTF and love what they’re doing. I respect this move of their own streaming service, but $30/month on top of the others that i already pay for, sucks.

[@Pokeyy]

Its more than twice the price of Flo. As a more casual fan its not something I can’t afford.

[@logannaslund1057]

@@andrewgorniak6173 yea but it’s way better actually being at the track the experience is not remotely the same at home and you can’t turn the camera and watch what cars you want to when you want to only what the camera decides to follow….

[@andrewgorniak6173]

@Logan Naslund I totally agree with that it's way more fun and exciting to go to a track and watch

[@richmorganti9881]

I too enjoy watching and following hunt to front..but I’m only purchasing Lucas. Just can’t spend more and more streaming. I wish them luck.

[@gareth9538]

Agree with everything you said about htf, am sure HTF $30 will be well spread between tracks/promoters giving tracks better chance of survival.

[@alvarsdzenis4739]

The tracks have to pay for the streaming service. The htf bunch are grabbing from dirt fans and the tracks. None of the competitors or track will get a dime from the service.

[@speedyd1971]

HTF should have a yearly price option and not just $30 a month

[@danwalker2393]

$360/year

[@speedyd1971]

@danwalker2393 you go ahead and pay the $360, hope you enjoy it, no way I'm paying more than dirtvision

[@Living_EDventures]

Like a big reduced annual option. They would still make a lot of money as people would be paying for 12 months not just a few months.

[@Living_EDventures]

Flo comes out at $12.50 a month. $15 or so would be worth it considering Flo can take a bigger loss to gain more subscribers.

[@ezduzit4009]

As someone who is at a racetrack at least once a week during the summer if not 2 or 3 times. It's still cheaper than attending the races in person. I have dirtvision and flo but am still at the track roughly 30 to 40 times a year. So to me the streaming services are way cheaper than paying admission which is something to keep in mind.(not to mention the current wave of "no coolers allowed" rules) And I feel like there are alot of people who just have them to watch racing elsewhere in the country. Racing is very expensive, even if you're a fan. Facility upgrades and better purses cost more money. And businesses are in the business of making money. The question is how much are the streaming services adding to race purses themselves? How much is flo itself paying into purses for high limit, race night in america and the million dollar races?

[@tomhelfinstine9443]

That's ok with me if htf wish to do there own deal. I just will not be watching . I've got flo and Dirt vision that's more than enough racing for me. Good luck to them

[@lilolme69]

Like I've said before... if anyone heads to Southern Raceway this weekend, they have some good food deals and their fries are great in that huge bag they give you. I wish I could be there, my daughter lives just down the street from the track.

[@coleboonecustoms]

The local track I race at dropped Flo for a "micro streamer" for the 2023 season. What I don't like about that is micro streamers won't have the massive reach Flo does. While the micro streamer can negotiate a better revenue-sharing deal so the track pockets more money, it hurts the racer's potential for attracting sponsorship. Flo has streamed to over 1 million viewers in one single race this past season. That is big time exposure for sponsors that will attract serous money for the racers just for giving advertisers a spot on their travelling billboards.

[@alvarsdzenis4739]

Streaming services charge the tracks a fee for providing the service. It's usually a flat fee but sometimes work on a percentage of the gate and the concession. I once owned a track and have dealt with their kind previously. cheers.

[@dustindmiller]

Great show as always! Good to see MacDaddy Dale McDowell ready to rip tonight!

[@mdotn9]

I agree Justin. HTF is damned if they do, and damned if they don't. They will provide those of us in the southeast with a way to see races that we normally wouldn't get to see. They explained in detail that they wanted to work with Flo but couldn't make it work out.

[@donaldmanning7379]

As far as I am concerned I like Hunt to front and I did take their advice and signed up for Floracing last year, but being 70 years old and living on SS I can not afford to pay for all the other pay to view live streams out there including theirs. I also think Kraig Kinser should do the local money races if he is having problems making the World Of Outlaw shows.

[@barnbuiltracecars1257]

$30 is way too much my cable bill is only $50 a month why would I pay 30 a month for one channel

[@fuzzy2127]

Too many streaming services for dirt its getting ridiculous. I'm canceling flow and everything else and go back and subscribe to one the broadcast my local tracks in Louisiana and Texas.

[@blueliner_7inpa933]

Sorry boys and girls, but I am not paying $30 per month or $30 per event for any racing related event because everyone wants to start launching their own streaming service. I know I am generalizing the whole situation when I include every group that may want to start doing this, but can you imagine what this may turn into? I mean really.

[@LoganGibson]

You mean what it may go back to? PPV per event was the main thing back when streaming started.

[@official_savage9027]

because there is to many as it is. and the price is atrocious for low end Series.

[@rhodie33]

Great show.

[@jeffmerhar9424]

Can't afford it

[@matthewjohnson3910]

They're biting off more than they can chew

[@owenleigh4691]

Jesse to the win go Jesse to the front

[@OvalOutlawRacing]

I think the main issue most people have, is that HTF have spent years pushing FLO and XR, and a lot of their followers purchased. Now that their following has these subs to other services they purchased specifically to watch to HTF races they are told "Now you need to pay us another $30 to watch".

[@Bhawk921]

but as it's been said FLO is cutting out a lot of regional racing so FLO isn't really an option and I'm not sure XR is really looking to expand into non XR series at this moment.

[@Marty54GMC]

Jake, I kept Floracing and dropped XR. For me XR just didn't have the amount of the racing. I will add XR in the fall so I can watch Duel in the Desert. All these streaming services do get expensive so I have to go with what works for me. I live in the Pacific Northwest , so we have limited racing and no SLM's

[@tucker8804]

@@Marty54GMC I feel your pain. I’m in NV..XR dropped all the SLM racing that was supposed to be in Vegas.

[@arthurgood7525]

Here is the way I see it, people wanted more racing streamed. They are doing that. If you don't want to pay for it don't. If you don't want to pay all the time cancel and re join when you want to watch, they are not holding a gun to your head.

[@teresagoodwin7458]

I wish HTF all the best. Currently I can't afford any streaming service due to fixed income and new medical problems that just popped up (at the worst time possible because I want to be at the tracks watching the Super Late Models and Crates LIVE!! I've paid $40 just to get into the pits where the action is more times than I can count. However, with the limited income and now new medical problems, I am not sure I'll make it to a race this year unless one of my Sweet Son's decides to take me especially if it's a Big Late Model Race. I don't mind spending the $30 a month if my finances were better. I'm not complaining because it is expensive to race and I can only imagine how much more expensive it's going to be to have to run a series. When I get my settlement from my car wreck going on 4 years ago leaving me without a car and the idiot who ran the red light totalling my car leaving me unconscious and trapped in my car DIDN'T GO TO THE HOSPITAL, SHE REFUSED!!HUGE RED FLAG. I was told my case may have to go to trial which is fine because it doesn't change the outcome that it was her fault. Happy Valentine's Day everyone 💞🤗💞AND GOD BLESS YOU ALL🙏🏁🏆🏁

[@blueliner_7inpa933]

While it sure looks like you have been thought a lot in the last several years, I would say that you provided a little too much information in your post. Sorry, but that it my opinion.

[@deronshank75]

My only complaint with the HTF broadcast deal is that they Arnt dirtvision or Flo YET and haven't even done a show yet this year but the price makes it look like they're a season veteran with broadcasting. I think for the first year it should be relatively much cheaper than it is and if the service they provide is super then jack the rates up a bit as any company does any year. Just my opinion oh yea and btw I think a free trial would be great as well. Not that its mandatory prolly just wishful thinking on my part, but being new, a lot of new companies that do any type of broadcasting offer a free trial to show the people what product they have to offer. I wish HTF nothing but success and will be one of those subscribers regardless of what the cost is. I'm a firm believer if you wanna dance you gotta pay the fiddler doesn't mean I can't bitch and moan giving my two cents worth along the way haha.

[@RickFarmer_WPG]

Well said. Go get yours HTF.

[@af4jm]

Flo with the Nascar modified & all the USAC races in a decent deal, especially when you consider you also get all the ECHL games, etc. etc... DirtVision's pricing is painfully high, but they do put together a high quality broadcast (I do wish they'd have a Flo-like "click here to skip to the beginning of the A Main", but whatever)... all these little guys with a handful of races & DirtVision prices... ludicrous... even if I was a millionaire, I'd have better things to do than flush my $ down that drain

[@crew3745]

$30 a month is crazy other than that whatever.... I mean I know they have to make money Ill admit Im ignorant of what the numbers are but no way in hell Im personally paying $30 a month...... If someone can and wants to more power to them and to HTF for making money but cost to much for my blood

[@davidhauff8779]

I bought it for the month. 6 races.. that's $5.00 each. I'll be watching. If it's a bust, it'll get cancelled.... simple. Local track ticket costs $20.00 per show plus food and fuel to get there... If you can't afford it or haven't viewed it yet, why complain? The videos are free on youtube, so watch them there. Lawd. Relax people. Go 10, 1, and 56 !!! Honestly, I think what you'll see is other tracks and series wishing they had done it themselves or made a better deal with the service they are using.

[@Living_EDventures]

An now they may do the same for a bit cheaper to draw a crowd

[@davidconley3610]

Exactly right!!

[@chrismurphyracing94]

To be honest Justin I've never seen anything actually make race fans happy. Dirt, pavement, NASCAR, open wheel, people always are complaining.

[@jeffperry7971]

I agree completely that HTF is doing the right thing. They’re business owners and they have a brand to protect. I totally get it. I think that they should go for it. I’m a HUGE HTF fan. However, it does seem a bit high for what we get and I’ve already invested into FloRacing and DIRTVision to follow the big series. I’m pretty tapped out right now but if I get the money I may buy in. I’d like to see what actual programming that they’re offering first. Great show!

[@timothylong3722]

I won't be a subscriber because I'm not in the target audience, but I support what HTF are doing. The stream of VC money that Flo was throwing around was bound to dry up. Justin has nailed the analysis of the predicament this puts smaller regional promoters in. I do wish HTF could have gotten to a lower price point for launch. I get not devaluing your product, but $30 per month in this crowded marketplace isn't going to capture any but the most hard-core HTF / deep south late model fans. I hope it works out for them though.

[@grumpy_ol_man]

Let me see. Flo = $150/yr. Hunt the Front = $360/yr, and that's for mostly no-name racing. Gee, as a spectator, what should I do? Imagine if a ticket to your local bullring cost twice what a ticket to Kings Royal, or the World 100 did. You missed the mark on this one. Unless, your mark was pimping for HTF. Then in that case, you nailed it!

[@frankisfunny2007]

Everything new that you do, you're not going to be good at first. They'll get it right, in due time

[@bartverheijen478]

30 dollars monthly is just a lot for what you get.

[@kevinherrman9199]

You get more then $30 worth, you can’t go to the track and watch the races for $30.

[@LoganGibson]

See years previous when your only option was a nightly PPV for events. Some of those were $30 a night. $30 a month, if there are 4 races in a month on the channel would be less than $10/event.

[@bartverheijen478]

You can't, completely true. You can however watch a lot more than 50 races a year on Flo, for less than half. And it gets you races like the Dream, Chilibowl etc. Really hope it takes off, I wish nothing but the best for the HTF guys, but for me personally 30 bucks a month isn't worth it.

[@LoganGibson]

@@bartverheijen478 There are a ton of reason why Flo is able to compete at the price they are at. Its why DirtVision cant compete @ 150/yr or XR cant compete @ 150/yr. Flo isnt the standard to compare to, it changed up the game when they came in. But the rules they play by are different than almost every other streaming service out there for Dirt racing.

[@MVPirate11]

These guys are content creators first now. Yes we all watch them for the racing content. But they are where they are today because of their ability to create content and them looking to consolidate their product with a series and tv subscription. I think HTF is actively changing how racing is ran and it’s great for the industry.

[@scott1708]

Agreed. They are pretty much a KZbin/apparel company with dirt late model show cars.

[@ssmith29440]

They're coming out the gate with too high of a price. Prove yourself first with this network and then increase price if it works out. It's up to you guy's to decide

[@danwalker2393]

Then people would bitch about the price increase. You can't please everybody.

[@landonleuschner6078]

I pay $20 a month for HTF Patreon… I just wish they could offer some sort of discount for those people, instead of making me pay $50 a month to watch their races

[@Living_EDventures]

I'd definitely drop the Patreon if I were going to subscribe to the streaming. I mean you still get the KZbin.

[@jeffeggleston8903]

You guys will buy a 30 dollar t shirt but not to pay for good racing. Boo hoo. HTF rocks and doing the right thing.

[@deronshank75]

Kraig himself said when he waited till the day before the opening night show that he was signing the WoO contract but was pretty sure he wouldn't be able to run every show financially and help permitting.

[@kevinherrman9199]

HTF all the way!! I’ll support them!! They are doing what makes sense!!

[@davidcardwell7859]

Personally I’m not a huge fan of HTF, but they are very smart . Can’t hate on someone for bettering themselves.

[@kartracer5g229]

I swear ppl follow the htf Boys just to hate on them for having a successful business...can't make em all happy and no one is forcing them to buy a subscription

[@SaskAngler24]

I think the short answer to the question “what were they supposed to do?” Is “provide value”. Every business in every industry should be trying to provide value to their customer. When FloRacing can hold the rights to pretty much all the big races that aren’t WRG sanctioned for $150/year, it’s not hard to point to a lack of value from competitors that are charging more than twice as much for an arguably inferior product (if you include the reliability of Flo streaming, on top of the content the difference is even more stark). An easy way to tell whether a business will succeed or fail is how that business handles negative feedback or criticism. Do they just get defensive and say, “well, that’s the best we can do” or do they take the feedback and try to improve their product or service? Getting defensive in the face of objective feedback is never a positive sign…

[@timothylong3722]

Fair point, but Flo is essentially the Walmart or Amazon of this sphere. Yes, they will be able to undercut their smaller competitors and take the losses to starve them out.

[@Living_EDventures]

Flo works out to $12.50 a month so an Annual membership that works out to $15 to $20 a month would be well worth it. At least add a reduced annual option.

[@grumpyfeller]

Not saying damn if they do and damn if they don’t. Just going to say I’ll stick with FloRacing get more for the same amount of money 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@Bhawk921]

and that's perfectly fair.

[@Living_EDventures]

Actually Flo is annual it comes out to $12.50 a month. Which is by far a much better deal even if it didn't have much more content to watch. HTF should offer a monthly rate or a reduced annual rate. If anything just a cheaper annual rate in my opinion.

[@DirtTrackRacing410]

I’d rather buy flo way more content

[@noahsathletics]

Should just charge by the race. 1.99, 2.99, 3.99 for a race it would add up before you know it and the buyer could feel good by paying for what you only watch. IMO.

[@vernsimmons945]

Any idea what it cost to do a stream for one event?

[@rebeccareeves1549]

Let's go HTF !!

[@davidhill588]

my thougts.. too many irons in the fire..

[@davidsallas7049]

They should give a race or two free so we can see the coverage if it’s worth it or not.

[@pipegang6497]

99 dollars a month holy shit that's outrageous

[@DIRTRACKR]

No. $29.99 a month.

[@willykirkracingteam2374]

I think the HTF made a great Decision. But they should have charged like $10 instead of $30. If I was going to spend that I would go to flo so I would get more races.

[@melabshier5812]

I'm happy for HTF to charge $29.99 per month. As that is $29.99 more than it's worth to me. I follow Sprint cars. I might, and we're talking extremely rare watch fendered jackedup half sideways cars run. But i'm not paying extra for it. What i'm suggesting is, there's only so much personal money to go around. Only so much LIVE viewership one can do on race days/nights. Every series trying to charge per month for their series , when there are similar cars running the same nights on another service...well good luck to them. But if streaming services really want viewership, then charge a reasonable fee. Like $10 a month. That would allow me to cherry pick a race or two to watch if I was so inclined.

[@joeldespres]

Ill just keep my sub to floracing. 30$ usd is not worth it.

[@bryonkidder6199]

Who's money is HtF using? I hope they're using their own, so not too many people will go down in flames with them...lol

[@WindRider1]

I commented on the HTF KZbin channel even though none of them read the comments anyway. My advice was to lower the price to $15 per month . That way if 10% of their 124k subscribers would subscribe would equate to $18,600 per month. At $29.99 they will be lucky to get 500 subscribers, $14,995. Simple math ? What does everyone else think?

[@vernsimmons945]

the economic of $15 a month would not allow there to even be a series.

[@WindRider1]

@@vernsimmons945 with over 1000 subscribers it would. Just how many subs do you think they will get at $30 a month?

[@vernsimmons945]

@@WindRider1 do you have any idea what it takes to stream one event alone? People & equipment before purses and points fund?

[@WindRider1]

@@vernsimmons945 I really have no clue how much it takes. I just believe they aren't going to get enough subscribers at $30 a month to do it at all if it takes more than $15k to do it.

[@vernsimmons945]

@@WindRider1 so you have no idea what cost is yet you want to determine the price. Makes a lot of sense if you don’t think about it.

[@areaone3813]

HTF, playing with fire. Should they not forget what made them i as well as loads of dirt track lovers are disappointed with their choice. The fans want to see exactly what they have been viewing for several years now and that is just race dammit. You are complicating it all which NASCAR has recently given over to. Stop it.

[@alvarsdzenis4739]

The htf clowns are just trying to get a piece of the dirt fan revenue and does not attract new fans. And that's the problem. The business model is all wrong and self serving because it doesn't benefit the track, racing or the current dirt race fans. Most ppv streaming services eventually fail because they target the wrong demographic group. They charge a fee to the track and they charge a fee to watch, thus grabbing from both ends, the current dirt fans and the track. Now, If you stream free, you get 3X the dirt fans you normally would get, watching. But you also get 20+% new fans and asphalt fans watching. Let's say 1000 people, that have never seen a dirt event say, "I kinda like that, I want to go see them live." and go. Now the track gets 1000 or more people attend the races, buying souvenirs and concession food that never would have gone otherwise, and may go regularly.This promotes racing, and supports the track and the competitors. Now the streaming service will get money from selling the service to the track only, this promotes racing, gets new fans and benefits everyone. The way they run it now, and if I was the promoter, they would stream for a small percentage, nothing more because it doesn't support the track or racing. It's only self serving. NO WAY!! This business model that I have described, WORKS!! Gforce.TV is living proof of this. Boycott ppv streaming!! STREAM FREE!!!

[@JesseEnterkin]

Well said 🏁

[@grumpy_ol_man]

I rest my case! Pimping for HTF

[@timothylong3722]

I still feel like there is a chance Kraig Kinser will attempt all WoO shows, at least through mid-season, but is giving up the year-end exclusivity money. If you look at what it pays outside the top ten, he could be giving up say $15-30k for the freedom to hit as much High Limit and ASCoC stuff as he wants. That might make sense. Hope he can get his program headed back in the right direction though.

[@edminas3159]

You are awesome reminding us of Valentines day.

[@TheBlackdog8]

Fake sheep holiday

[@edminas3159]

@@TheBlackdog8 Wow sure glad I am not one of the loved ones in your life. Why don't you tell us how you really feel. lol

[@MJ-zy4ln]

These folks complaining about HTF TV are ignorant and selfish…More coverage is a bad thing??? If $30 is more than you can afford I guess you have to choose which service you want..don’t you. It’s a business…and that’s what folks don’t want to accept. They feel like HTF doesn’t really earn a living, they don’t really work and all they have has been given to them. Now they are growing, getting better equipment and feeding their families…and somehow this a problem?

[@billp6191]

In this economy, your average race fans don't want more fees to pay for yet another streaming service. Race fans are getting nickeled and dimed to death.

[@davidconley3610]

HTF is a KZbin creation plain and simple nothing more nothing less. If i want to watch racing I’ll follow FLO!!

[@johnstark4723]

You completely miss the points being made. And obviously you won't listen to reason any more than HTF will.

[@jasonramsey1511]

The naysayers should all just go start their own deals if they don't like it.

[@stevenriggleman2150]

HTF all the way hell yeah

[@mnewell89]

I support HTF all the way...always will

[@scott1708]

All the way? So can I ask if you supported Jonathan taking a PPP loan many thought was questionable at best?

[@homelite3392]

KL @Volusia tonight in the 6👍HORNS-UP🤘

[@Erocwolverine42]

So why is Kraig Kinser being mentioned for racing with the All-Stars, but Donny Schatz racing a late model isn't a issue? I don't know the rules or seen where it states only sprint cars only, but isn't racing -- racing? Somehow I know that the WRG will say since Donny is running a late model under the WRG banner it is okay and nothing wrong here, but isn't that hurting the sprint car brand when he is racing elsewhere and fans can go see him ... I mean that is the excuse the WRG is using for not allowing sprint car drivers to race other sprint car races.

[@DIRTRACKR]

Obviously late model races are not going to count under the platinum agreement. And again, World Racing Group is not stopping anyone from racing anywhere.

[@scottlimbourne3079]

You are out too to lose subscribers like those Milton guys. Did they manipulate you too???

[@bobby6715]

Not gonna lie, as a fan that has too busy of a schedule to make it to every race I want to watch, it's a little discouraging to see so many different streaming services wanting $29-$39 a month. If I wanted to watch all of the services every month, it'd be as much as monthly utilities for me lol. I get the logistics, and wanting to make a profit and such, but it seems pretty steep. And then some events having another payment on top of that... it's getting ridiculous. I'd like to see services get cheaper down the road. Hell, the self-proclaimed pinnacle of motorsport, that being F1, is only $10 a month to get access to every session.

[@Pokeyy]

As a European, my TV plan, from the biggest provider, with all sports channels that are available, costs me about 50/month. Why would I ever spend 30/month on a streaming service for only a few races when Flo and F1TV are only 10/month. Still waiting for NASCAR to make NASCARTV for 10/month.. it’d make my life so much better.

[@CodyG.TV1]

Windom to the Lane Racing #4 with support continuing from NOS.

[@edminas3159]

Wow that is great news.

[@andrewgorniak6173]

I'm just putting it out there for everyone my thoughts about the hunt the front streaming Service makes Sense and if you are going to ask why I think that I have a question for those people it's this how much does a Seriesrace Costto go to the track and watch at least $25 or more so $30 a month is a good price and if you use Flow racing or dirt vision how much do they cost a month

[@RacingVagabond]

If you go with the yearly options Flo is 12.50 and DirtVision is 25.

[@andrewgorniak6173]

@Justin E OK I think you for that I don't have either of them so I didn't know

[@MJ-zy4ln]

And XR is $39.99. Flo covering their series was not going to give you the product most would want to see…1 camera. You get what you pay for…. I suspect their might be an opportunity in the future for an annual subscription too… This seems to be a pretty easy business decision.

[@andrewgorniak6173]

@MJ I did forget xr and I think $30 is a Decent price for a streaming service because you will spend more than that if you go to just one Seriesrace in a month because you have to figure the food you eat the ticket price and the Gass to get there and that's just one race for the month

[@tcjohnson3437]

Flo is the third of that price. About the same as DV with a fraction of the races.

[@deanbanks3392]

The HTF guys are blue-collar racers who have risked everything to get where they are. Kudos to them! Let all of the complainers walk a mile in their shoes.

[@disciplemike1]

went from an enjoyable vlog of a family racing team to a money-grab corporation.

[@vernsimmons945]

So the vlog that came out today, how much did that cost you?

[@tjw3999]

personally i won t pay to watch any racing on tv. if htf was smart they would just show their races for free on youtube. that would really promote their series .

[@vernsimmons945]

Exactly how is it cost effective for anyone to do that for free?

[@tjw3999]

@@vernsimmons945 well who puts on the show? think of it this way. the world of outlaws has all this new revenue from dirt vision. and they have nt increased the purse in 30 years. how much do you think the cost of racing has gone up since then ? if htf did that it would be a big middle finger to them crooks. racers want to race and would do it prolly just for a trophy but they are being taken advantage of. i wonder how many performing artist would play if they had to pay to get into their own show !

[@vernsimmons945]

@@tjw3999 how is HTF supposed to pay for streaming any events, paying a purse and point fund of streaming for free? The whole base of the price of streaming is to pay for all of those things.

[@stevereeves9392]

You are a big MARK for HTF there business is to make as much as they can from the fans. And what is upsetting the fans is seeing them support there life's outside of racing and not investing back in the team. And the problems alot of fans have issues on the streaming side how HTF promoted flo and xr last year. But I guess it's all about if you want to fall for the High speed hustle

[@RacingVagabond]

They just bought a brand new chassis, how is that not investing in the team?

[@davidburchfield2720]

@@RacingVagabond they didn't buy that chassis their sponsor dead

[@RacingVagabond]

@@davidburchfield2720 And that’s a problem why People like you are why racing just fucking sucks. Heaven forbid a team actually try making some money.

[@RacingVagabond]

@@davidburchfield2720 Oh and uh, why do you think the sponsor did that? Do they just love those guys so much or was it because their channel is helping their business grow so they decided it was worth increased investment?

[@CORNDODGER]

SO MAYBE THEY SHOULD TRY TO RACE WITH THE BIG DOGS UP FRONT and leave the other shit to FLO Cuz I will not pay that for a race team that CANT HUNT THE FRONT!!!! HIRE A FEN CREW CHIEF

[@vincentgerdi28]

Pretty soon you will be watching a video on the rise and fall of HTF its going to happen sooner than later with the road they are traveling

[@CORNDODGER]

@@vincentgerdi28 I think so they abandoned the MAIN SPONSOR of that team!!!! They have gotten big heads but still suck at racing SUPERS !!! Need to roll it back and run Crates and produce GOOD CLEAN CONTENT !!!!! 30 fucking bucks to watch a RACE TEAM THAT STILL SUCKS NOT ME

[@jimmieroan9881]

so someone asks why didn't they go with flo racing for streams, maybe because it sucks, the announcers are morons that bullshit about crap so much they miss most of the actual race going on, the streaming sucks so bad i have trouble seeing the dark picture, it can't even compare to the old mavtvplus streams. and it costs 150.00 annual and includes so many sports i have trouble even finding the dirt races at times. if i wanted to watch unamerican ball players in action this would be my choice.