New information on The Cheetham Hill Church.

[@jetsons101]

Really, dry rot can be taken care of but the church building is now gone for good. Might as well get rid of the Mona Lisa because the paint has cracks in it....... Thanks Martin and team for your time and work......

[@wladniem]

🤣🤣🤣that's for the Mona Lisa crack

[@jetsons101]

@@wladniem Maybe instead of getting rid of the Mona Lisa get some paint and fix her smile....... lol

[@wladniem]

@@jetsons101 Crown gloss haha

[@itsonlyme9938]

I remember in the 1970,s Guiness 30p a pint and that was expensive back then.

[@Mark-ww9sb]

I lived very close to the church from 1968 to 1976 and passed it every day. I also went inside on several occasions before the demolition and met the vicar. The story I heard was that lead was stolen from the roof one night and the church couldn't raise enough money to repair it. Rain got in and soon rotted the timbers making it unsafe. The organ sounded great when it was working and the vicar was very proud of it. The church is a great loss. Thanks for covering it.

[@MartinZero]

Thanks for that Mark

[@dazzab111]

Was it DelBoy?

[@mullahviking]

what a sad story, who would steal a church roof?

[@stuartbridger5177]

@@mullahviking Sadly far too common. Metal theft is still a major issue all over the UK. Often now lead roofs are replaced with non metallic alternatives to get around the problem. They have now moved onto Copper EV charging cables

[@ivornappinion9406]

@@dazzab111 nice 1 :}

[@porkscratchings5428]

Great update, such a shame with dry rot to demolish such a large structure. Had to watch it twice as James looked like a meerkat looking in all directions whilst you were talking 😂🤣😂

[@rowgli]

😂 think Timmy has been rubbing off on him

[@virginiaorganbuilder]

Thanks for this! I am a pipe organ builder in the US, and the story of this organ is very intriguing. I love your channel!

[@andyshacks7812]

Used to drive past that Church loads when I lived in N Manchester and often wondered what had happened to it. I now know. The Marble Arch - that was an after work favourite when I worked at the CIS. Absolutely great pub! Cheers Martin.

[@jayd1974]

Marble Arch top pub been in a few time when I lived in Manchester 👍

[@navigator902]

Excellent topper Martin, great to see you all on my Wednesday.... Cheers Jamie, and Martin

[@ffrancrogowski2192]

Great to see you and the lads midweek, Martin. Nice extra about the church.

[@johncarold]

Thanks for the update. Yes, it looked beautiful,

[@SteveW139]

Wow Martin, that was quick work. I reckon that stout would have killed off the dry rot.

[@acefeeley7836]

Love the outtakes and bloopers, mate

[@douglasthompson296]

Nah that wasn't bloopers in the pub, that was them getting p***ed 😂😂

[@stevesawyer7330]

Hi Martin great video again. I did my family tree around 20 years ago. I found in the grave yard where around 13 members of my distant family were buried. I made enquiries and found out the site was owned by English Heritage. I contacted them who advised me there were no plans for the site but advised , at the time, of getting a way in through a gap in the fence ( since closed) . I found the grave of my great great grandfather and around 11 of his children who had died very young. It would be a real shame if all this history and graves would be lost. Thanks for highlighting this. Many thanks

[@Carol......]

That's amazing you found those Steve ! Did you find out why all those poor kids died so young?

[@stevesawyer7330]

Think it just what in those times , maybe why they used to have so many children .

[@missmerrily4830]

That was the most fun outro I've seen for a while. From cherry stout to 'ostrich' eggs laid by a goose! Thanks for the fun and the update on the dry rot. It looked to be a beautiful church indeed, in its heyday.

[@matthewhodder3029]

Great update and nice to see you on a Wednesday

[@rowgli]

Really love the history, facts and especially the banter between you guys. Its golden, way better than TV these days.

[@Dan23_7]

Wife has her soaps on, I watch KZbin instead 👍🏼😂

[@jezm1703]

So agree !🙂

[@richardross7219]

Good video. I found that after I turned 50 the senior moments started coming fast. Don't worry about little lapses(unless you're driving). Fruit flavors added to ale are not for beer drinkers. Good Luck, Rick

[@cherylbostock9265]

Been in the Marble Arch, many happy memories of going there

[@jezm1703]

Loved the 'outro' in the pub with the Cherryade stout...hilarious 😂😂

[@Section20Ul]

St Luke's was one of our favourite playground growing up through the 80's. I've explored every inch of what was left of the church and the graveyard, from climbing to the very top of the tower and ringing the bell, to playing down in the crypt. All that was left of the church other than the tower was a stairwell on the left with steps the lead up to the next level you can see in the photographs and a small corner room off of where the alter would of been towards Boyle st, which would of been on the right of the pics and on the other side, outside was the entrance down into the vaulted crypt on the Smedley lane side and the very bottom of the walls on either side made of big granite (I think) blocks. Thanks for bringing back some memories.

[@bobingram6912]

Thanks for the update, nice surprise to see you all pop up midweek👍👍 That's one small Ostrich James!!!!

[@debonweb]

Thanks for the update guys . It's appreciated that you took time to add that extra bit of info 👍

[@philippabaker1078]

James's face when he drinks that cherry stout! The church was beautiful

[@davidberlanny3308]

Thanks for the update. Ostrich egg, I don't know!!! Look forward to the next video with Danny .... Wet earth?

[@thomasdieckmann5711]

nice addition, came as surprise. Well done!

[@dilwyn1]

Great Martin ... God to know the background to the demise of the church and amusing to thing of the possible connotations to "Johns Gems" !!! That said, as always , great content and very informative

[@Stevogoesflying]

What a pleasant surprise, a Wednesday video!! 😁

[@davidsedlickas8222]

Shock horror Martin. As a child in the 60s I went to that church. Hope you are all well. Keep safe dry and virus free all.

[@martinmarsola6477]

Thanks for today’s video. Will try the Marble Arch when in the area. Cheers mates!🇬🇧🙂👍🇺🇸

[@stever1053]

Very good thanks for the update. Don't be offended but you guy's remind me of "Last of the summer wine" ( Cherryade) lol , 🤣🤣

[@insaneapache2034]

I used to work in St. Thomas's in Radcliffe in the late 70s. Didn't know about the organ pipes. though. My Mams funeral was there in 2017 as well.

[@markwall6651]

An honour to meet you and the boys Martin in old Sainsburys!!!!

[@MartinZero]

Oh yeah, great to meet you 😄👍

[@steveclark9426]

Completely unrelated to this video, but I'm in Manchester for the first time in about 30 years for a gig. On my way in I looked out of the coach window and saw a sign saying River Medlock. Ordinarily that wouldn't have registered at all, but it gave me a nice sense of knowing where I was from watching your videos 🙂

[@ashman167]

WOnderful to get a update on the buliding.

[@tomsurbanexplore]

I,ll have to try that cherry stout myself lol good video Martin 👍

[@RingwayManchester]

Love this Bish. Wouldn't mind a visit

[@MartinZero]

I’ll take you. But when we’re there. Don’t bash the Bishop

[@brianartillery]

Asking James: "What's the nose?", and his sage reply: "Floral.", nearly made me piss myself laughing. Your videos, even when a bit off the cuff, are always quality. Nice one, chief, nice one. 👌👌👌

[@Lego6980]

1:30 what a beautiful roof. Thanks for the follow up

[@notwenjohn6852]

Thanks for the update Martin. So dry rott that signed the nail in the coffin. You just wonder why they didn't consider re-roofing it? Perhaps already dwindling congregation? And I hadn't realised it was so close to Boyle Street.

[@MartinZero]

Yeah right round the corner

[@Cartoonman154]

70s town planners didn't seem to like beautiful architecture and were happily building architecture that was the cross between a concrete coffin and a toilet.

[@ChelseaSierraK.]

Lovely to see you lads in the middle of the week. ✨ Sad end to the church tho.

[@Carol......]

Thanks for the update Martin, I've spent more time watching you than I've spent with my other half this week 😄 You've reminded me of a drink I used to get as a kid on New year's Day, Sweetheart stout and lemonade, must see if it's still made as I loved it ! We used to buy a cherry beer years ago, think it was called Kreik or something, that was nice too. I'm off to binge watch some more now 👍😊

[@gregbolitho9775]

Nice 1, like finding out why the church is like it is, also spotted the 'James pay attention hippie' Thanks!

[@UsualmikeTelevision]

Extra video from Martin! Awesome.

[@Belznis]

That is the issue with the craft beers, a lot of them have weird tastes. Not all of them are for everyone, I certainly enjoyed the bitter ones years ago in one of our Latvian pubs. Labietis in Riga is a nice place with many different craft beers. Anyway, nice to know about the church, I was wondering all the time what happened to it, as it looked so beautiful in the pictures.

[@mikewright447]

all the craft beers started using citra hops as it gives the beer a "citrus" taste (look at us being edgy and new making a citrus beer , no as everyone is making it !) which on a hot day is very refreshing but i found that after 2 pints it was like drinking washing up water and turned my stomach off which was strange as i like citrus drinks.

[@Cornet_Tooter]

​@Mike Wright I agree with the stomach turning washing up water after 2 pints!

[@Randrew]

@@mikewright447 You really must sally through to reach the 11th pint. Then its real character begins to show!

[@chucky2316]

Interesting Martin

[@metrotechguru5863]

It looked like an ostrich egg to me! Blimey. Thanks for the update on the church. What a terrible thing to pull down a thing of beauty like that. Glad to hear at least some of the organ pipes were removed and put to good use.

[@djhrecordhound4391]

Well we're certainly not so different in Canada. If anyone in my family had a bad beer, we called it "panther piss". 😆 (Thanks for the update!)

[@stevesrepairs5778]

What a shame about the loss of this beautiful house of prayer that should be protected and repaired, at least to respect the people that were buried there. Take care and all the best. Stevie

[@anneforster510]

Fair play to James, not a huge difference between an Ostrich and a goose !!! I expect the Ostrich egg to be huuuugge. Shame about the dry rot in the church.

[@mileshigh1321]

I would have tried the cherry ale, there is a local cherry cider made here that is really good! You would probably like it better!

[@MartinZero]

Sounds a little better 😄

[@jeffjones6107]

Great update guys 👍

[@shirleylynch7529]

Ha ha very enjoyable. Wonder how long it takes to boil an ostrich egg😅? Great photos and info. Thank you.

[@General_Confusion]

Judging from the last video Timmy would love it.

[@stepthemed]

Ostrich eggs are easy to identify the shells made of wood, so it survives the impact when it falls from the ostriches egg tube 😂

[@craiglatham]

The sign post outside on 4 minute 50 shows the way to Angel meadows in my opinion Martin's best video so far.

[@zeeblats]

So, this egg, how did you have it, fried or boiled?

[@outdooradventures8773]

James cracks me up giggling inn the pub !! lol

[@AnyoneForToast]

I like the "weather forecast" glass. 😀

[@Takedownairsoft1]

Wow that picture shows just how beautiful the church looked inside, such a shame

[@rweems5796]

Watched 1st video earlier today. Asked for update. Then this popped up tonight. I’m glad some of the elements of the building were reused. I’m skeptical of the dry rot claim. If you dig, you may find some developer trying to grab property cheap. But, I bet the graves were a significant barrier.

[@pattyfarghaly1821]

Thanks for the update. Now they need to clean it.

[@jeffdayman8183]

The beer in the M.A. must not have been too bad if you forgot you filmed an outro! 8^) just kidding, thanks for the update info on the church.

[@mikehartley2592]

Track the pipes down- go follow it up in the Church in Radcliffe!

[@markiangooley]

The only church I got to see around Manchester was St. Chad’s, the Catholic church in Cheetham Hill, the building dating from the 1840s. Not too historic except I think it was the first Catholic parish in Manchester after Catholic churches became legally tolerated again.

[@navigator902]

I've got to stop in at the Marble Arch INN...and try me a new pint flavor flave....

[@memorialgardens1664]

🧠💪🙋‍♂️💚 sending good thoughts to you all 🤝

[@SMlFFY85]

So they half demolished a building to leave a mess that we still see 50 years later. They might as well have just removed the roof for all the use the demolition was.

[@cardinaloflannagancr8929]

Seems a bit of a coincidence the dry rot was "discovered" as the area was being redeveloped. Likely done fast before anyone could do a proper check to confirm or dispute it. We once had a large business in town knock down a mansion on the historic registry they agreed in the property purchase to leave intact. They claimed they mistook the 3 story mansion for the small 1 story carriage house. Opposite ends of the large property and even more conspicuous they knocked it down entirely in the dark one night.

[@dawnlovejoy8917]

Next time ask for a taster first, saves a fortune. 😂 Thought the "ostrich" egg was rather small. 😂

[@marilynpowell6881]

What happened to the organ I wonder? Perhaps dry rot was in that too?

[@maggiefleuriot4427]

Yeah, the egg. We had geese when I was expecting my son, and those goose eggs were gobbled up as soon as the goose laid them. Never ate them before or since, but they were scrumptious. An ostrich egg = 24 chicken eggs.

[@johngansler6487]

ask John did he ever work at Rochdale sheet metal.

[@derelictmanchester8745]

I did John..1978..

[@smalcolmbrown]

Thanks :)

[@markmunro8753]

By the look on James face with a mouth full of cherry stout he needs new kidneys😂😂😂

[@petea1918]

Great video lads

[@katherinekinnaird7522]

Thank you

[@scottc1589]

So how does one start dry rot? Certainly not the way one starts a fire. Maybe with cherry stout?

[@mileshigh1321]

James, the man of a thousand faces! 😂

[@PhilWaud]

Love the update thanks. Did you see my comments about the spire? It fell down in the 1800s and then was damaged in the 1960. Theres a lot more info on my original comment.

[@MartinZero]

Yes I did actually 👍

[@PhilWaud]

@@MartinZero Ah, ok, thought it had slipped through the net!

[@Boating_David]

I want to try the cherry stout now, I love a dark ale ! 😂

[@SteveAndAlexBuild]

Best outdo ever 🤪🤪😆🧱👍🏽

[@haroldhorseposture9435]

Now, Martin , me auld sosage........I do hope you weren't drinking lager when you called catpiss on that stout !! If you were , naughty, naughty ! The Marble is a bit pretentious , it has to be sai . these days, but generally reliable for ale. Different matter as regards grub. You'd rightly have summat to say there. This was effectively my 'local' until a few years back , but now have some good micropubs within a half-hearted spit of home. Used to go in there for half-time 'liveners' when in the rehearsal room in the old builing at the bottom of Gould street . Always played better with a few onboard! It also has been the scene of some absolutely epic train driver gatherings , and may yet be host to more. One of these days , I hope to get in there when a certain Sheffield-based 'Tuber has a foray to Manchester. We do plan a drinkie sometime, somewhere. These railway sessions are usually legendary , and you'd feel safer knowing that there is a drugs an' booze policy in force these days . 'Nuff said ! If you ever fancied attending one, be prepared to sup , bring money . Put in place your willing suspension of disbelief.

[@marksadventures3889]

Nevermind James maybe it was a big Goose with a longer neck. I don't care to think what really happened at the church, dry rot? I think the church were covering up something darker.

[@simontay4851]

I agree. Dry rot? Yeah, right. Thats BS. Lots of other buildings the same age or older with the original roofs. They don't have rot. Definitely corruption involved.

[@Wriggs74]

So that's why. Dry rot. What a shame. I've passed this beautiful church on the bus for many years and wondered about its life. I remember a couple of years ago, the Japanese knotweed that invaded the grounds and they sorted that and I thought they might be at least looking after the land for future redevelopment of the church.

[@TailSpinRCSpain]

Didn't fool me with that goose egg !

[@ibbobo5162]

Martin - what about James Rawson - Britain's greatest ever archer - never lost a match - buried in St.Mark's in Cheetham Hill? I think he was associated with the Robin Hood pub there - which some of your older viewers like me will remember was a spit and sawdust pub with a weird slanty floor - very old so could certainly be from Rawson's time - 18th century. Maybe take a look?

[@turtrubshaw]

That roof beams look mostly made or iron, not wood. The walls were stone, so from the photo only the roof covering itself was wood.

[@richardpooley9068]

Floral - cat piss! 😂😊Great banter chaps.

[@steveperry6624]

Got to admit, Martinb, the extra material on the church itself was fascinating enough, BUT' to be perfecfly honest, and James may not fully appreciate this, I'm anxious to know the best stout beer in Manchester.......I think there's a project there. In fact, I might just make it my business to try out the best stout beers anywhere; and see what comes up trumps, for my money at least.

[@rodneymcgovern5984]

If you travel to the Isle of Man (TT races, lots of open countryside), Asgard Brewery does a "Black Claw" stout, at 4.5%, and I thoroughly recommend it to you! The brand name for their beers is "Odin".

[@andrewholdaway813]

Shame about the cherry stout - a good while ago I had a chocolate stout in there and it was _very_ nice.

[@bobjackson6524]

Good craic had by all 🍻

[@LancashireLarks]

Think there was a story once about someone climbing that spire before it was taken down and he fell off. Those cups in the pub, I’m not sure. But there also known as glasses 😂

[@Biffo1262]

I remember chatting to, shall we say the ladies on night shift, on Smedley Lane during the 80's and 90's when I was stationed at Broughton Fire Stn. a d we were working in the area, which I have to say back then was almost every night. Nice enough girls just trying to make a living I suppose. The church remains were in a far better state back then. Dry rot is very difficult to eradicate if it is fairly advanced and is a buildings death knell if it is.

[@livingonthetyne]

I was going to say an Ostrich egg is probably three times bigger haha, me mother used to have one as an ornament.

[@gaffysmenk]

I knew Cherry Stout she was one of the girls at school who used to say.. "Look under the table" . . and when you did you really wished you hadn't.

[@emm_arr]

Dry rot is what detroyed the interior of Alton Towers - and why I have "concerns" about an ar5ehole neighbour who is content to have a hole in his roof. Roof proplems are incubators of dry rot.

[@Skizzores]

All types of ales at No73, a favourite for the connoisseur 🍺

[@garethparr9482]

I find a lot of em to hoppy. But I do like some 👍

[@ianr]

Zante Misfits hoodie? 🤔

[@lazyhazeldaisy9596]

Such a shame about the church I think if that was the case about dry rot it would of been too expensive to replace, but I still don't understand why they just left the grave yard to get in that condition. Cherry stout sounds disgusting!🤢

[@10p6]

Ending? 3:13 if viewed anti clockwise looks like the devolution of hair, lol.

[@MartinZero]

That’s cruel 🤨