New King? Vortex Razor Gen III 6-36x56 First Impressions

"It's a $3,000 Tangent, just not as...."
The Gen 3 Razor HD dropped. We bought some. They came. We dragged out the Tangent, ZCO, Kahles, March and the Gen 2. We compared, then we talked to the camera.
Is this the new go-to optic for a PRS shooter? Probably worth watching and finding out what we thought.
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:51 Expectations
01:08 Unboxing
02:16 First Impressions
03:52 Range Testing
05:29 Optics Comparing
07:10 Vortex User Thoughts
08:04 Tangent User Thoughts
09:21 Test Overview
10:10 Outro
Links:
Razor: vortexoptics.com/razor-hd-gen...
Website: area419.com
Facebook: area419
KZbin: / @area419

[@5RWill]

Incredible first impressions. I'm excited to get mine in.

[@kellyhill2410]

Appreciate the time! Seems like a great scope! I think I’m going to grab a Gen II and get a deal since there’s some good discounts out there and with my skill level, the Gen II is more than enough for me right now until I can get better

[@p47rr]

I bought a Gen II three months ago. Warne skyline mount with their bubble level. Warne throw lever. Absolutely love my set up.

[@gerard0l6569]

Great to see a real non biased review and opinions. The new gen 3 looks like the best bang for the buck

[@Carriesaglock]

Just ordered one from Europtic on sale $2,499 in a special run of black. Can’t wait to get it in my hands.

[@gunguy308]

I want this for my NRL22/NRL22X rifle. 10 yard parallax, shooting a 1/4" target at 50 yards at 36x will be epic

[@JohnAdams-mu7xd]

Epic review!!!

[@kylenaude166]

I’m a huge fan of you guys !!

[@josefachal1608]

Great video

[@DrEvil74]

I've used a lot of scopes and the S&B 5-25x56 with Locking MTC turrets and H59 reticle is superb. It just works every time. The optics are sublime. Now the S&B 5-45x56 with Tremor3 reticle and double turn locking turrets looks to be the new king. I'll see if the parallax knob is a rangefinder like the 5-25x56. As others have said, the S&B gives you options. The only scopes I now own are S&B and March. To my eyes, the S&B glass is amongst the best available at any price. I really liked the March, but the S&B is like a high end German car. If you like them, you'll love them forever. They just feel right. If it comes down to cost, the prices of everything have become ridiculous. the S&B is a buy once cry once option. But your own eyes will tell you what you like and your preference on feel will probably be the ultimate decider. I have never been let down in a match by my S&Bs and the lack of a lifetime warranty is irrelevant to me. I don't want to have to use the warranty ever, so please give me a scope that will not fail. Sorry if this comes across as shilling for S&B, but I buy with my own money what suits my needs and I had the good fortune to be able to use most brands on the market over a short period of time. I have 7 S&B's (5 x 5-25x56's) and 2 x March. I sold everything else. The S&B's just work. Good on the other brands for offering choice and providing competition.

[@alanmeyers3957]

I do not care for the H59 reticle, at all.

[@JacksonMalcolm]

The guys you chose are accurate representations of the two camps. If I could I'd be a tangent snob, or even zco. But for now I'll stay a minox snob and I'm pretty happy being one.

[@5RWill]

Man the ZP5 doesn't lose much to ZCO or TT, contrarily it's right there with them. You just don't hear people shouting about them.

[@redrock425]

The part I most appreciated was that you put it in perspective, Lambo's Vs Ferrari's 👍

One thing I like about S&B (that I run) is that I can choose precisely the reticle I need for my purposes. I hope vortex looks into that as well. That said, their reticles can do most of it fairly well.

[@Kyle899]

That’s one reason S&B can cost considerably more. When you start making a bunch of options they lose some economy of scale.

[@erikcr80]

Vortex needs to step up their flipcap and throw lever game BAD

[@Guitarjourney4life]

Being an Area 419 fanboy I trust your opinions, however am very happy with my Valdada G2

[@johnpan78]

Thank you for the video. Is it better than the top of the line NF?

[@laszlovandor4770]

Have the Gen 2 with Horus3. As soon as Gen 3 is out with the Horus3, I will buy it.

[@bpintogsxr1000]

Got mine about 2 months ago. Yea, it’s nice.

[@hotmetal459]

What is the grip tape looking protector on the tangent?

[@iggynator321]

How does this compare with the ATACR 7-35?

[@salzafar2030]

Hi, what is that stand the Tangent is mounted on? Thank you for the review. Its very helpful.

[@joemeier3644]

Anymore FOV comparisons or info? Its hard to get a good idea since nothing else really has that mag. range... How is it at 10x, 15×, 25x compared to other scopes it competes with???

[@p47rr]

I bought a first Gen last year. It was brand new old stock. It’s a great scope.

[@madsloper]

Thanks for the review, what ring mount was used and how tall is the mount?

[@benoitgauv419]

I installed them on my survival rifle Chiappa Little Badger. Beautifull

[@Bf1942cod]

what new leupold is coming out?

[@devinporter1676]

I’m a nightforce junkie, but recently looked through the Kahles DLR and was impressed. Where does the Vortex Gen 3 fit when compared with the Kahles, and Nightforce Atacr?

[@5RWill]

Having had a Kahles K525i, the 5-25 ATACR, and now my Gen III. Gen III is considerably better in DOF, FOV, CA control, I think edge to edge clarity I might give the Kahles I haven't seen mine in a while. Gen III is also a good bit better than the 5-25 ATACR optically having owned it as well. I can't speak for the 7-35. I had my ZP5 to compare it to which is in the realm of TT, ZCO, and Schmidt Glass quality and honestly the Gen III matches it in almost every category except I thought the contrast was better on the Gen III which was shocking. Edge to edge clarity went to the ZP5 also. Gen III has a little distortion at the edge of the image. Though it isn't enough to affect function. Turrets are likely the biggest complaint of mine. I'm not wild about them. They're worse than my brothers Gen II Razor, worst than my AMG, Kahles, NF, etc. I'm not a fan thus far. Some people love theirs, maybe it's sample variance. Not a fan of mine.

[@meoski420ja]

And good clicks! Great review. Just got one for my RPR in .300 PRC and cannot wait to use it!

[@opossumfpv]

How do you like that setup?

[@UltimateArms]

how do you find shooting with glasses on. i have tri focals and have trouble looking through my scope with them on??

[@alanmeyers3957]

Take them off, click your heels together 6 times and then put them back on, better?

[@Koda_Catz]

That rifle looks so cool!!

[@Ravenrifle]

I have a few variations of Tangents and ZCOs to compare to the Gen III when it arrives tomorrow. The beauty is I will be able to test every environment within a few days from 0-2500 yds. I expected it to big a massive jump in glass quality from the Gen II simply because the length of time from 2014 to now. I highly doubt it will cut mirage as well as the two top dogs. Fit and finish will also be less than those two, but the Gen III is also street priced at 3k.

[@coltonwall6704]

Please let me know how it compares!

[@Yvirten]

Following this also

[@vnohelix]

Following

[@prone_wolf8871]

Tag

[@ertatta]

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

[@samarth5381]

3:53 optic name??

[@NoelLucas]

Y'all convinced me. And I resemble that UGA comment.

[@markf3229]

Hey Zac. The Tracts leave them all for dead. Right?

[@joeloehlephotography]

Please do this again on a high contrast miragey day. That is where I have seen bigger differences. Low light was good, but overcast seems to make everything similar. Thanks for the video.

[@Ravenrifle]

Spot on with this comment. I have several of the optics that they compared. I promise the Tangent and ZCO will outperform in the “tough” optical situations compared to the Gen III. However from what I have heard (not seen yet) is it is a massive improvement and I believe it is probably on par with a NF 7-35 ATACR with a better set of features.

[@area419]

Let us go ahead and tweak the January weather real quick….

[@joeloehlephotography]

@@area419 I hesitated to comment about that knowing you have winter weather up there. Which is why I asked to do it again when it is sunny and miragey. I understand that may be a while.

[@SuperJlarge]

@@Ravenrifle I’ll be interested in your assessment. While the 7-35 has better glass than the 5-25 ATACR, I’ve felt that the ATACR lineup was only slightly better than the AMG/Gen II glass, at least with my examples. To hear claims that it is a big step up from the Gen II leads me to believe it should best the ATACR…but only time will tell. I should have mine tomorrow.

[@5RWill]

​@@Ravenrifle So you're speculating.

[@frostysnowman7221]

Does anyone know what the rainbow colored rifle is? Its so pretty

[@laszlovandor4770]

Must be the West Hollywood 69 !

[@zl1booker]

where is the scope made and what kind of glass does it really have? does anybody know for sure?

[@ertatta]

I understand it is still built in Japan by Light Optics Work. They obviously are capable of very impressive work & quality.

[@Kyle899]

Japan, all of vortex’s razor line is made in Japan.

[@lars789]

anyone know how it compares to the Steiner m7xi?

[@ertatta]

I’d like to see the newer S&B’s along with the new Steiner’s thrown in this mix. Not thinking NF currently is in this tier.

[@libaax46]

Great video - thank's a lot for that. Just ordered one for my Tikka T3X Tac A1 myself. I'm going for a Spuhr base for it, can you tell me which height would be best? Not sure a 30 mm. will clear the Picatinny... Can you give me a piece of advice?

[@Arleys617]

38mm if full rail

[@bm.w1135]

To bad you didn’t test the Leupold Mark5HD alongside those. I bet the review would’ve been different. The value and performance of the Mark5HD is insane seeing its $1000 cheaper than the GenIII.

[@area419]

We got out all the optics we had!

[@bm.w1135]

@@area419 sometimes you just have to ask the right people 😉

[@michael2m000]

I’m actually really curious too how it would compare against the Leupold Mark 5

[@BiztoryTime]

I might just be deaf but what model Tangent is the scope in the video/the tangent equivalent to the gen 3?

[@area419]

Yes, it’s the 5-25 Gen 3 XR, it’s not an old/dated model.

[@BiztoryTime]

@@area419 thanks! Might pick one up! Those clicks are too satisfying 😅

[@SuperiorDefense]

Nathan is such an incredible shooter. He can beat my optic any day.

[@spasticnerfherder]

serious question, is there any standard or way to quantify "glass quality"?

[@Deerslayer1912]

You can use a chart similar to what you have at an eye doctor with the triangle of letters for resolution. Snipers hide has some articles reviewing optics where they talk about the testing methods to address the different optical characteristics

[@area419]

There are tools, but at the end of the day we don't have anything that perfectly recreates an eye. It's incredible how complex the eye is, so the general "how good is it" has a lot of subjective. Light transmission efficiency, FOV, resolution, some of those things can be quantified, but really hard to get anything more than a somewhat subjective grading on the whole picture.

[@redrock425]

@@area419 Try contacting DXOMARK. They test a lot of camera lenses. I've thought for a long time it would be useful to put some scopes through some objective testing.

[@forhumanpeople]

They never mentioned if the turrets track correctly, even once? Ya know, the box test for the turrets. All they kept talking about was how clear the glass was. Glass clarity is not on the top of my list bc tracking of turrets matters way more. Repeatability of a shot and different distances, i.e. having turrets that actually measure what they say on them in Mils, is much more important than clarity of glass. Positive identification is done through much bigger glass, like a spotting scope, not the scope that you shoot with on the rifle.

[@5RWill]

Gen II razors track so I'm sure they expect the Gen III to track.

[@redrock425]

@@5RWill Which of course it's an assumption, they wouldn't be the first to progress in one area and regress in another. Only one way to know for sure...

[@5RWill]

@@redrock425 Buy it and use it lol. Already done.

[@kkgtmproductions5486]

What type of sphur mount is that? (Number)

[@NathanKLivingston]

SP-4001

[@dremc94]

Put some respect on them Dawgs!

[@OnePointLander]

Just got one for my Daisy

[@Clarkshooter]

Good video but fix that crooked throw lever lol

[@GaryBlankenship96b40]

I thought i was only one that saw that lol

[@aaronsholar8067]

what scope mount did you use?

[@area419]

We’ve used all sorts, but we recommend you check out our MATCH scope rings or TACTICAL one-piece mount!

[@snakeman48]

I'm using Nightforce AtacR 7-35x56

[@GaryBlankenship96b40]

I have always wanted one of your scope clear as a glass

[@randyshort4629]

I love Nightforce!

[@AndK253]

It's a Spuhr, no wedge to level?

[@area419]

We were mounting several optics on to rifles with different ring/mount systems, this was the more efficient way to do them all at once with the same tools.

[@ufhkbikes]

What would Leupold mk5hd falls under - like Ford Mustang ? 😂 is it worth the extra $500 for vortex gen3 .. decision decision😅

[@jassonco]

At $4000.00 retail, it IS a hi-dollar optic!

[@area419]

$3k will be what they sell for, but yeah, it is. Cheaper stuff exists, but that wasn't the point here.

[@warriorman547]

2399 from liberty optics if you call/email them

[@precisiondiesel225]

Even if it was $4k, there are other optics out there for double that.

[@Kyle899]

It’s like audio equipment. No matter what you think is high dollar, you can always find something that is twice the price. Literally

[@TheDwchan]

how it compares to NF ? just curious

[@area419]

We don’t have an ATACR around the shop, and none of us have spent a ton of time with one, so not sure we are qualified to answer that. I’m sure someone will chime in or make a review with that in the mix though!

[@TheDwchan]

@@area419 is nice to see vortex products are reaching higher tier while maintaining a more compatible pricing.

[@df3624]

@@area419 Yes I'm very curious to see how this would stand up to an ATACR... I've never considered Vortex to be in the same zip code as a Nightforce or Schmidt & Bender

[@NBKarmwrestling]

How big main tube? How much elevation? You know, the stuff that matters.

[@area419]

Specs on all of these optics are publicly available and easy to find. We wanted to try to provide a little information that isn't so common.

[@NBKarmwrestling]

@@area419 ahhh, I completely understand. I wasn't sure if you guys left it out because it wasn't released yet. I was a Vortex fan, but recently switched to Athlon. Excited to learn more. I'm currently saving to purchase the Valdada Recon G2. 150 MOA elevation!

[@commonsense5709]

@@NBKarmwrestling Sure looks like this Gen 3 is well above what their best Athlon Cronus has to offer.

[@NBKarmwrestling]

@@commonsense5709 agree 100% I sold both of my athlons. I got a minox. End of story

[@timetodopatriotstuff2315]

Gen 4 might catch up to the Big Guy's but it's not there yet 😂

[@DS-gd1xw]

No Nightforce in this test?!

[@randyshort4629]

Exactly!

[@PrecisionRifleNetwork]

My AtHloN…Is jUst aS Gud. ;)

[@jamessammann9183]

What model atjlon

[@rudolphferdinand3634]

You getting started with PRS long-range competition, by all means, go with high-quality dollar optics…save money.

[@bklynbullet]

Hey guys what height spuhr mount is that?

[@krisaunedi4920]

Cool vlog but if I was buying a new rifle scope if the Tangent Theta then I would definitely buy the Kahles over the Vortex.

[@area419]

Have you compared the optics you’re making a judgement on?

[@krisaunedi4920]

@@area419 Yes I have at my local dealer that carries all of the scopes that you have there. The new Vortex is nice but the glass quality is not like the Kahles. Sorry buddy!!

[@area419]

@@krisaunedi4920 no apologies, as long as you’ve compared! Eyes are terribly complex and we all see things different. We have been Kahles shooters for a long time and they make a great optic. As long as you’re making an informed decision, party on!

[@krisaunedi4920]

@@area419 No need to apologize to me I just gave you my opinion because I shoot Kahles also and I just think in my opinion that it is hard to beat European glass like Kahles. I didn't mean to piss you off if I did then I am sorry about that.

[@area419]

@@krisaunedi4920 not at all! The people that piss us off make a statement like you did, but haven’t ever touched the optics they’re passing judgement on. Looooooots of that on the internet lol

[@mryaj0095]

Beat up built Honda Civics beats Exotic card tho.... tell me im wrong here😃

[@MR619Can]

5999.00 MSRP in Canada....BOHICA

[@jacobbooth5350]

its 2oz lighter then 24x

[@vgl217]

Hold up... Is nobody going to mention the fact that they put a gen 3 on a Mosin???

[@area419]

Look closer, it's even better than that

[@sabotinhell4u]

hmm 3 guy huddle around a long hard object

[@rob1135]

My wife wishes I didn’t see this video…. LOL. Sounds like it’s time to replace my Gen II

[@acidfly1]

why? just get another rifle to put it on. 300 prc is looking mighty fine.

[@kylenaude166]

Please could you buy me one they are so difficult to get here in South Africa ! 😢

[@NotYourFriendPal]

“Tangent snob” 🤣

[@Wond3rland___]

Lmao this is the last place I thought I’d see my Georgia bulldogs get some hate

[@area419]

You’re not safe anywhere…

[@jonathanwatson1243]

Vortex makes great scopes but I'll stick to Nightforce

[@jonasbruzas2651]

Burris is best.

[@jonathanwatson1243]

@@jonasbruzas2651 To each his own little buddy

[@jonasbruzas2651]

@@jonathanwatson1243 nightforce competition its nice.

[@ertatta]

Nightforce sources much of what they use in their optics from the same guys in Japan that make the Razor line.

[@jonathanwatson1243]

@@ertatta Imo nightforce is far superior than vortex but vortex isn't no slouch they make great stuff

[@BodyRocker70]

It will work good for about 3 months then you will be sending it back constantly

[@NathanKLivingston]

Doubt it

[@Lowns_300]

Love the scope but can we stop with that color please lol

[@rhodesoflife]

Meh on the vortex and I'm die hard..... I would have to look through it I guess 🤷🏽. If the glass is that much better than it's worth it 100%.

[@area419]

Someone should look through a bunch of top-tier optics and give their opinion - maybe in a KZbin video?

[@rhodesoflife]

@@area419 that would be a good video. I think there are videos out there but it's hard to say if the poster is biased to one company vs another. Maybe a "blind test" but reticles could give that away also? Not sure lol. Ideas though 🤷🏽🤘🤘 either way you guys rock 🤘🤘

[@coltonwall6704]

@@rhodesoflife I think you just got sarcasmed hard buddy. Seems as thought Area 419 is good at snarky comments--the few I've browsed through. Quite the turn-off.

[@rhodesoflife]

@@coltonwall6704 lol yea I kinda figured hahah

[@ballisticintegrity9741]

@@coltonwall6704 Turn off? Geeze.

[@jn3750]

None of those have gone thru the wringer by the military such as Leupold, NF or SB!

[@mlentsch]

That thing sucks compared to my PLx... Spuhr mounts suck. The guy in the Trac5 hat is good; the others are demons.

[@area419]

Demons - that’s a new one. Thanks for watching!

[@richardmattix5322]

Rattle off about everything but the price.

[@boxinggloves6834]

I can't understand why did you guys avoided to showing us the view through the each scope so we can judge the quality. There is a guy C_Does called him on KZbin and you should check how to do it properly interms of scopes comparison. From his chanell I can easily choose the best scope for the budget but you had razor and tangent next to each other and You didn't let us take a look its really foookin shame.

[@area419]

It’s a disservice to quality optics to try to show quality through a camera and screen. Someone else may do it in a way you like, but from our standpoint there’s not a great way to do this and actually show the quality of glass for these optics.

[@boxinggloves6834]

That's why your review is pointless.

[@brockhickman1988]

If only it was 3000$ it's 3999$ msrp

[@area419]

The street price on Vortex is often meaningfully below MSRP

[@JacobTerherst]

uga is lucky

[@hugoimnd]

Too poor to buy, rich enough to dream

[@LocoBanana33]

They just priced themselves out of production class.....

[@dangerranger4323]

Lmao they don’t care

[@NameL3ss71]

Meh. Still prefer my theta

[@alexzamora6700]

Only thing good about vortex is their warranty lol

[@commonsense5709]

I stayed away from the higher end Vortex because of that saying. Very tempted to buy this Gen 3 though. Any place selling them for better than $2399?

[@camonly849]

Vortex doesn't have an incredible warranty because of the vortex razor. Go run over your nightforce with your truck and tell me if they replace it.

[@stevensrspcplusmc]

Check out the tract 4.5x30 for the money it’s a great deal.. it got German glass , the razor doesn’t.. your just paying for fluff and marketing snake oil..you can outfit 2 rifles for the price of the razor..

[@SuperJlarge]

Just because it has Schott glass doesn’t mean it’s better. That’s basically the same as “marketing and snake oil”, as you put it. Yes, the tract is a good LOW manufactured scope, but it’s glass isn’t the same as a ZP5 or S&B PMII.

[@Carriesaglock]

I’ll take the Razor.

[@brandontolley1361]

I'd go top end leopold any day over vortex

[@Kyle899]

A top end Leupold mark 8 is literally double the price of a Gen III vortex in Canada. Not really a great comparison.

[@commonsense5709]

I like Leupold but their varying eye relief really bothers me.

[@brandontolley1361]

@@commonsense5709 Leupold eye relief is one of the longest and most forgiving there is. Usually 5 inches if not more.

[@matthewrezuke8130]

Laughs in Schmidt bender

[@area419]

It’s ok, nobody can hear you from all the way back in 2006

[@prone_wolf8871]

🤣

[@NoelLucas]

@@area419 🤣Coming in HOT! This is why my bench is loaded with your gear. The cold hard brutal FACTS.

[@NoelLucas]

@@area419Ironically enough, their new PMII 6-36x56 was just announced, but my new Razor Gen3 will be delivered today. Decisions, decisions. I may order the "new" PMII as well. Yolo, right?

[@area419]

@@NoelLucas this is science. Don’t cut corners on science.

[@thestacche6898]

Come on guys it’s not a tangent.

[@NathanKLivingston]

Did you watch the video?

[@n00g72]

@@NathanKLivingston Dr. Tangent, I presume?

[@NoelLucas]

It's time that Tangent steps up from 5-25. Schmidt just did with the announcement of their new PMII 6-36x56. Interesting times.

[@christittle1131]

It’s not $1000 better than gen2. $500 max for the power and new zeroing

[@NathanKLivingston]

Have you looked through one?

[@dangerranger4323]

Yeah, yeah it is. Actually

[@commonsense5709]

I'll buy one if there's any place selling them for cheaper than $2399. Anyone know where?

[@camonly849]

Find someone with a discount. 1900 for me lololol

[@dmoore91478]

Who shoots at 30x at a match. Nobody lol

[@area419]

"That's going to get me in trouble later"

[@leadcloud]

Somebody shooting a 30lb 6GT loll. Shooting at stupid high mag is a lot easier when "recoil" is just a vibration. I never run higher than 12-15x, but I'm running 6.5CM

[@dmoore91478]

We did it back in the day when all we had was 2nd focal. You got to see them impacts or misses

[@NBKarmwrestling]

Valdada Recon G2 kills this scope AND is only $2800....just sayn.

[@NBKarmwrestling]

Just a fanboy here, and previous Vortex fanboy.

[@n00g72]

IOR, that’s a name I haven’t heard mentioned seriously in a long, long time.

[@NBKarmwrestling]

@@n00g72 people should look into them. The G2 is next level.

[@Sagittariustoo]

@@NBKarmwrestling I was interested in IOR but the guys at the Hide claim they're all a POS.

[@Yvirten]

If they are saying this scope is on par with tangent theta.. the Valdada is nothing to it.

[@piro2890]

"That's fascinating" Oh fuck..this guy probably sits with his legs crossed. How did people like this end up interested in guns?

[@Porschedoctor1]

Terrible review! Optical comparison of high end scopes WITHOUT a single view through the optics; just a printed image of a reticle. Total amateurs.

[@viking9934]

Screams so much marketing bullshit. We’ll maybe not bullshit as I’m sure it’s a fine optic but give us a break it’s just been released and now you scream it’s the best buy out there… I expected better from you guys.

[@SuperiorDefense]

How is it marketing when they had to pay for them? Granted it's probably a little better than mil/Le pricing but it still cost money. The razor line is good and vortex took a long time to make the gen 2 and then almost just as long for the gen 3. They put the work into this line and it always shows. People who crap on Vortex are either closed minded snobs who will never own one anyways or have never used one and don't have plans to. I'm sure Area 419 doesn't need to buy a hundred razors to market and sell, they're doing just fine machining aerospace parts. Lol

[@area419]

We have nothing to gain by saying the things we did. We aren’t reselling Vortex, or any optic for that matter. In reality, after the time/energy to make a video, we will have lost money to give you our thoughts. We just liked the scope.

[@viking9934]

@@SuperiorDefense You never worked in marketing and it shows. They said they get industry pricing, they get their just in time to make a video only couple of days after release. All that is part of a marketing communication plan from vortex and area 419 is part of it. It’s not an insult to anyone but you need to understand that. I’ve owned my share of vortex products so I can see this with a critical eye and I’ve worked with them in the past. I’m not fanboy like you but no hater. I see them for what they are and I will not be filled with that kind of video material. I’ll wait for real feedback from competitors that are not sponsored or affiliated.

[@area419]

@@viking9934 We are competitors (you can look up all of our scores) with a lot of matches under our belts that are not sponsored by Vortex. Yes, we are affiliated via friendship with Vortex, but by that token you could say we are affiliated with multiple other scope brands in the test, that's how being in a fairly tight industry works.

[@SuperiorDefense]

@@viking9934 you're right I've never worked in marketing but I'm also not autistic.

[@bigcountry9457]

45.1oz They are built like a tank but they also weigh as much. The gen 2 is 46.5oz so at least they are trending in the right direction.

[@area419]

Most people buying this are putting it on a 20-25lb match rifle, a few extra ounces isn’t a concern

[@Kyle899]

Buy the Vortex HD AMG at 28.8 oz if weight is important.

[@bigcountry9457]

@@area419 Understood, however, the number one complaint I hear is about the weight which I'm sure you guys are aware.

[@bigcountry9457]

@@area419 Understood, however, the number one complaint I hear is about the weight which I'm sure you guys are aware.

[@bigcountry9457]

@@Kyle899 Agreed, there are many other options out there if weight is important to someone.