NEW LABELS RELEASED AT NYCC AND WHAT THIS MEANS FOR CGC

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

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[@Detectivecomics27]

All cases from all companies should be 99% UV protected.

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

Agreed, yet egs is the only one.

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

But what I'm trying to say is that they don't look anything like how you are seeing them. This is a photoshopped mock up, where the color doesn't reflect the real look of the real label.

[@Detectivecomics27]

​@JernosComicsPopCulture i like the white / blue. The top label. The others just seem like the blue is overwhelmed by the gold.

[@harvey0812]

Looks great!

[@grumpy_goose]

CBCS is knockin it out of the park lately. My most recent submission was completed in just under a month, and that was for VSP/Pressing/Grading all at the slowest tier! These new labels are just icing on the cake.

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

This is good to hear. My last CGC submission for moderns came back in three weeks, so I'm glad to hear both companies getting turnaround times handled.

[@JediFarce]

Their hologram needs to fill out the CBCS shield

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

I like that idea.

[@Detectivecomics27]

They should ditch the yellow on the logo and grade numbers.

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

It's actually not yellow. It's a shimmering gold. The real label looks nothing like the yellow here.

[@Detectivecomics27]

@@JernosComicsPopCulture it looks like crap. Yellow, / Gold whatever lol

[@Detectivecomics27]

@JernosComicsPopCulture only thing i want shimmering gold is my Cuban necklace.

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

@@Detectivecomics27 LOLLL I hear you on that! I like the gold on the black, but not the gold on blue. I think that's a little much.

[@AgentGreyFox]

9.8 should be Bronze on black, 9.9 Silver on black 10, Gold on Black

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

This is a great idea.

[@peterthornton8814]

I don't mind these labels, they pop pretty nicely. Would love a 10. Agreed, I think they should use the black and gold for all grades. I really like how the box for the grade goes all the way to the edges. Thanks Chris!

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

I agree about the grade box going to the edge. Seeing this now makes the sticker on CGC books look very outdated.

[@isitunlimited]

I dig it. I honestly prefer CBCS slabs, they feel so much more stout. I need to try an EGS.

[@mr.chandler9555]

Didn't hate the previous labels but these new ones are definitely an upgrade. I also love that they took the grade 10 black labels from Beckett card grading and crossed it over into comic grading realm. The only thing CBCS or Beckett as a whole needs to work on is their customer service department.

[@jabezcreed]

Really, the only improvement CBCS could make from here (without just going all purple or something) would be to make the 9.8's gold like you said. I personally like this new design, but we all know the collector and dealer really really want to highlight "9.8" as much as they can. I do like how the gold and black makes a true chase collectible. Perfect book with a golden ticket label? Everyone is going to be on the hunt for one now.

[@romedog4753]

I would be extremely cautious with EGS. There is a design flaw in their inner sleeve that allows the book to slide. It can damage your books in the slab. The cover of modern books can stick to their inner sleeve. If your shipment gets bumped, the inside of the book can slide. I had a book graded 9.8 from them that when I received it the interior was visibly detached from the cover. Also, all the labels and books were crooked in the slabs. The owner explained that the package must have been dropped in shipping or something, but the box wasn't damaged in any way. CGC and CBCS slabs have better fitting inner sleeves that prevent this problem. Crooked books and labels can be corrected, but if a book is damaged it's damaged. EGS says there is nothing they can do because the book was damaged in shipping it back to me, and they do have a disclaimer for that in the fine print. However, the books were damaged because of the design flaw in their inner sleeve in my opinion.

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

Thanks for sharing this. I have actually spoke with Tony, president of EGS about this specific flaw, and to my knowledge, they have corrected it. The inner sleeve works now in a way that holds the book completely in tact without slipping inside of it. But let's not overlook the fact that CGC still to this day has an inner well that allows for teh book to slip back and forth. THIS can absolutely damage the book while in transit, or if moved or dropped. There are actually KZbin videos with some examples. Holding companies accountable is always needed so they can have the ability to grow and improve, and I think EGS continues to improve and continues to surprise so many collectors with how quick they are becoming a real competitor.

[@romedog4753]

Yeah, I appreciate Tony's honesty about the situation. He called me to discuss and explain what happened. He was polite, and we had a good conversation about it. I understand I took the risk with the disclaimer and everything. He did file a shipping claim for me (UPS only allowed the sender to file the claim). I do think he wants to provide a quality, affordable service to the collecting community. This happened last month, so it was relatively recent. If the issue was corrected within that time, I guess I just had bad timing. I suspect it hasn't been. What irks me though is that it was clear he was aware of the design flaw and still sold the product. I understand that most books don't get damaged from this flaw in shipping, but it sucks when it happens to you. I had plenty of books in this order that clearly moved but were not damaged. A light tap moves the books in the EGS slabs I received, which I can't do with my CGC (75) or CBCS (5) slabs. I checked. Maybe I should make my first youtube video to demonstrate what I am talking about. I agree that EGS has some great ideas - custom labels and willingness to certify autographs for example. I just don't trust them with my books. I do appreciate you responding. I enjoy your videos and respect your opinions. @@JernosComicsPopCulture

[@andrewb-e8l]

I am not sure yet , those 9.8s and 10 you are showing look ok . But the 4.5 I've seen online ... the font just looks off . Still think CBCS cases are way better than CGC in terms of clearness and fit .

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

Definitely a better fit, but i dont like the rough sides. Cgc and egs have very smooth sides.

[@slab_holiday]

CBCS is amazing cases are crystal clear most of my PC is CBCS

[@CallumEaston]

Love your honesty man. PS: I personally really like these new labels. Sure they could have used a bolder type weight, but that’s one of the more subjective points around text legibility. I’m a fan of the new type face and how it’s a little more discrete. It’s a win in my book.

[@CoachDale_TopNotchMuayThai]

I’m really diggin these cases bro. I’m thinking of sending a book or two to them 🤙🏼

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

Yeah me too, finally. We shall see!

[@BiggRuss]

I was thinking what you said just before you said it. I LOVE the black behind the yellow and wish that was on the more common grades too. That being said, how hard can it be to lay out such a simple label? I've never understood why it has taken them decades to get this far. And I won't stop saying it until it happens: I WANT DC CUSTOM LABELS FROM EITHER COMPANY. Until that happens, none of them have done anything 100% for me. #DCBIAS

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

Great points!

[@shanegroves3095]

i wonder what colour they will do for a pedigree comic ? And a Signed comic..

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

There was an example of their yellow label in a photo that I saw.

[@dailycomicsfix]

The new labels were neccessary. Personally, I really liked the current label but these new labels are addressing the customer's concerns. I reject the criticism of the new labels being too similar to CGC's....their current labels were criticized for not having the grade standout etc. and now that they've addressed that, the criticism is it's too similar yo CGC...I call BS on that. The new label HAS to be somewhat recognizable to the industry leader label (CGC). Anyone who thought the new CBCS label would be radically different was dreamimg. The new label is different enough from CGC's to be original but similar enough to appease the OCD collectors. Great job to CBCS in my opinion.

[@holyharlot5222]

Mimicking CGC look and feel makes perfect sense for all competitors but having a standardized lipstick for the pig doesn't make it not a pig. Innovation will not come from any of these people. A book is not a simple artifact. Why can't I press a button and page electronically through the encapsulated book? The current system will age out because at the root of it, it's dumb.

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

I'm not going to really argue with you, here. You make a great point, and why I may not see it 100% to how you're putting it, I think ultimately you are right. And to your point, it's funny, because my next live stream is going to be called, "comic collectors are clueless." And what I mean by this, is that collectors don't even know what they want out of graded comics. They simply play "follow the leader."

[@holyharlot5222]

@@JernosComicsPopCulture Followers will be followers. What we really need is to raise better leaders ... or to be better leaders. I'm looking forward to the next installment. It's a useful discussion that might lead people to more nuanced perspectives Collecting seems to be integral to the human experience. It's rare to find someone who doesn't collect something.

[@jabezcreed]

Simply, you can't read the inside because the companies can't reproduce the copyrighted material. That's a barrier that will never fall. The catch 22 of encapsulating a comic book, is that it ceases to be a comic book and is now just a plastic collectible. I do, however, wholeheartedly agree that some grading company could still innovate in the space. Free cover scan pics, embedded NFC tag linked to the population report or a database of GPA sales, etc. There are ways to add on some additional value. Personally though, I just want a durable case that protects my book for decades, has a clean label with a grade and notes I can read in person, that doesn't distract from the cover when I'm looking at it in person, and has enough professionalism that I can one day resell the book with confidence if I needed to.

[@dailycomicsfix]

I think you meant symetrical as opposed to asymetrical.

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

Lol yes!!

[@donaldvonglitchenberger4108]

i like them. the 10 is really cool but is irrelevant to me cause i don’t really collect modern books

[@littletinychannel]

I disagree with you about the blue restored label; I think a color differentiation would be better (if not necessary). However, the new look of the numbers is great, especially when comparing to CGCs inconsistent kerning (the spacing between numbers and the period) and the ham-fisted drop shadow. CGC may have set the standard for labels, but CBCS has improved it (if only marginally).

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

Of course color differentiation would be "better," but in no way do I feel they are necessary. I have no sympathy for anyone that might buy one of these restored books not knowing it's restored. That's 100% ON THEM. It's clear enough It's big enough. It's not like it's "where's Waldo." It's right there. Before you buy the book, read the label. It's that simple to me.

[@ObiShinobi-bg2tk]

I saw rhese when they first dropped and my first thought was " these are ugly as hell!!" LOL l. Trying to hard to be CGC with the white background BUT taking a second look at them it does look very clean and does make me want to use CBCS again. However, their pricing is still a bit much so I may stick with EGS for now. I do think this is a step in the right direction.

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

Very good points.

[@jacobknapp2710]

its all about the money, Lets see how the sells do. CGC always makes you money, CBCS yes, you make money but hard to sell and you have to knock off at least 50 bucks. Depending on the book price) Crazy but people will pay more just for the CGC label even if they are both 9.8s. Hell ive seen people buy a 9.6 or 9.4 cgc over a 9.8 cbcs book. Me personally i like cgc but this new look for cbcs makes me wanna to try it.

[@yolobro.]

Only thing wrong is that subtle arrow pointing at the grade. Aesthetically annoying to my eyes.

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

Yeah I'm questioning that, too.

[@dansxmencomics]

I like the new look of the CBCS label. I don’t quite understand the hype about EGS from KZbinrs (outside of the fact that EGS is sending free slabs to many of them). Maybe I need to hold an EGS slab to feel the real difference but aesthetically it looks bad IMO. I don’t think it stands on the same level as CGC or CBCS

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

I'm talking specifically about egs's standard blue label. People can have different opinions on custom labels for sure, but for me, all three have very small factors that differentiate them. As for egs sending free books to KZbinrs, I'm not privvy to that. I know that they sponsor a segment on comic book cannon. I might do a live stream soon going more in depth on this.

[@dansxmencomics]

@@JernosComicsPopCulture I’m definitely open to taking them seriously in the grading world. I guess I’m skeptical based on the look of their label and their customization examples. That said I should at least hold the slab before casting judgement on it.

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

@@dansxmencomics It's great to get your hands on one. The slabs are on point. I understand the custom labels aren't for everyone, and I've had conversations with Tony about how they will continue to develop a strong graphic design department.

[@Kaiju_808]

It’s definitely an upgrade but to what? It’s like Burger King giving me a Big King and trying to convince we it’s not a BigMac, even though are the same. The new label looks good but it’s just a CGC label with a twist. I like the black/gold for the 10 and I think they should have explored that color way for the other grades. Be bold, be different and stand out. Just going to get lost in a sea of blue. I love the CBCS slab over the CGC slab but give me a label that matches. Hopefully they can fix this in “post.”

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

I'm honestly with you on your thoughts, and this speaks to the bigger issue of everyone simply "following the leader." At what point do we get bold, and innovative to truly move the needle forward?

[@Kaiju_808]

Exactly, we need companies to be innovative. Are we showcasing the comic or the slab? We are at the point where that’s a legitimate question.

[@dailycomicsfix]

On your picture of the previous CBCS labels...the very top label and very bottom label never went into production. The picture should only have 4 labels on it....not 6.

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

@@Kaiju_808 Remember, though, we aren't showcasing the comic NOR the slab... We are showcasing the grade. Ultimately, that is all that matters. But, aesthetics prove to be a valuable and important variable.

[@Kaiju_808]

@JernosComicsPopCulture your right, it is about the showcasing grade 🤙. If it was just about the comic, this wouldn’t be a conversation.

[@timreierson26]

Much ado about nothing. Form over substance. As long as collectors continue to prefer CGC because comic values are better (that won’t change), these label changes are inconsequential. I wouldn’t now buy a CBCS slab because it has a new label. It is clear that CBCS is looking to increase its modern book grading market with its 10 or 9.9 grade labels. I expect to see a loosening of their grading standards to issue more modern books with these higher labels. I hope CGC doesn’t follow suit.

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

Thanks for this comment, Tim. I don't fully agree, but I love that you're sharing this perspective. For one, the idea that "it won't change," when speaking to the preference of CGC, is like someone in the 1980s saying no one will beat out IBM as the leading home computer. Other things that you are stating to be inconsequential are more personal preferences. There are plenty of people providing feedback that they like the labels enough to at least send more books to CBCS. I, myself, am someone who will send books to the for the first time just because of these new labels. Are we a current minority? Maybe, but still, you can't generalize everyone into one box. I can't really speak to a loosening of their grading standards, as I am honestly not very familiar with their standards in the first place.

[@albertocardenas4539]

Getting close. I need something looks solid legit to compete with CGC.

[@MVPMaxfieldVonPriestley]

Great video brother! I had no idea about this so thank you for talking about it. I'm actually really digging the new label and I think this is a great step in the right direction for them :)

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

Absolutely! I'm sure I'll get around to sending them a couple books in the next year

[@DavidClark-vu3dw]

Glad you showed the different generations of the cbcs labels because I was trying to picture them in my mind and you did a thorough job in adding those in this vid. I personally thought their first label looked good. Their second label looked amateur and remember people on fb complaining about it. Egs did a really good job with their label by closely following cgc's but with minor changes circling the hologram logo and grade. I don't have a cbcs slab, nor send books to cbcs but it's just a matter of time when cgc decides to change their label again, maybe five years. Remember they added the QR code and "Newsstand Edition". Who knows what they'll come up with next. Lol.

[@JernosComicsPopCulture]

I agree about CBCS's early labels! It's like the kept getting worse! lol. Ughhh what were they thinking?