New Map, Sorcerer and Gem System First Look! - Tavern Table Recap

[@QuietThePro]

The expressman being gone really sucks. I thought that was a really good feature that was added

[@tphil5901]

Odds are you won't need the Express man anymore. Which is why they decided to remove him.

[@hobosnake1]

​@@tphil5901i think they can and probably will add him back. People are going to whine until it happens.

[@levelu7]

Expressman that randomly spawns in the dungeon....first dungeon NPC.

[@tryhxrdlive]

Why are you reddit dwellers not able to comprehend you can leave whenever you want now. And expressman will be useless in the new system? Holy shit tier "i read this earlier and cant stop being the echo chamber of bull shit I am"

[@happyaccidentmaker]

​@levelu7 This a good idea, more random rewards around the map for exploring like the express man, rare enchantment tables, rare puzzle rooms, gold rooms, etc. Are good for the exploring aspect of the game

[@BB-848-VAC]

The Fog of war mechanic creates a spot for divination magic. "Magic Eye- Create a disembodied eye that is immune to all effects and cannot interact with things. This eye acts as your vision and you can see through it as if you were there." F to back out of it and your character cant move while you are in the magic eye cam. Hopefully the pirate map has a pirate skeleton with multi attack falchion and a hand crossbow.

[@shipso6116]

You do know you describing a previously existing mechanic, right )? LOL, they made the Warlock's "Evil eye" useful for it's primary ability again, not for cheesing, maybe they'll consider return )).

[@anonymousking1728]

This was in the game and it was busted lol let’s not do that 😅

[@shipso6116]

Previously there vas a problem with the eye being used as a jumppad and lightning transmitter rather than for lookup, so they (temporarily?) removed it. They will need to address these issue again before reintroducing that mechanics ).

[@Battlenet123]

@@shipso6116 Wizard is supposed to be a support, so why not give the spell to wizard but instead of a bat its just a eyeball that is semi transparent. Showing you that it cannot be physically interacted with. It cannot open doors, nor fly threw them. It cannot be damaged or etc, so it can't be a lightning rod or aggro mobs but it will still let you spy on teams

[@guccimane8310]

​@@Battlenet123 I think it should take damage imo. If a team sees the eye, they should be able to destroy it to stop the wizard from getting free information. There needs to be some downside to it, and letting him get all the free information and you can't do anything about might be a little strong. So, letting players destroy it would help so they can't just look around the whole module for free. Make it so it has like 5 HP, so it'll get one shot if attacked. It also means the wizard can't just spam it and use it without any worries. He'll have to be sneaky with it, make sure no one sees it, or make sure he isn't close enough to players or mobs.

[@bat_poison]

SDF mentioned they want BIS to be quite prevalent next wipe to get a grip on class balance more closely, I would not be surprised if they will make the gem-cutter merchant much harder or completely removed in future iteration. I suspect their focus to be drawn to the older "out of date" classes once Sorc is in our hands, and for that they would want a clean canvas.

[@ray-ray_jackson2k5]

As someone who plays a bunch of alts and doesn't get anywhere on them every season, I am so happy about the account wide quest change.

[@Nemissis4265]

Boo that's sht

[@YaGirlZero]

I personally think it should reveal the room you enter, alike the binding of Isaac

[@simon8748]

The spell combination sounds really cool, reminds me of magicka

[@nerderousrampage]

You touched on this briefly in the video but I believe that even WITH the changes to the stairs and portals that the expressman is still needed. I think that they haven't tested what the removal will do for the player base at large (newer players) and that we'll end up with another situation like with Patch #69. Everyone is saying you can just extract but I don't want to be forced to extract (specifically with the larger quest items that do not stack since most of those take the longest time to gather- blue crystal balls, scrolls, armor scraps) Not to mention time wasted from the player perspective needed to re-queue after extracting from the same map is redundant and doesn't respect player time and goes against the natural flow of the game. I WANT to delve deeper and with the second level being randomized with portals and stair locations (as well as fog of war) you may not have enough time to search the map to find the specific portal you're looking for. The expressman was by far one of the best quality of life improvements that has been added to the game and removing it now (after they've finally got it working after countless updates and wasted dev time is ridiculous). Removing the expressman is a bad idea. We have tried it like this and it was awful, it's the whole reason the expressman exists.

[@guccimane8310]

I agree fully. I been saying this to everyone that thinks removing the expressman is fine. Like it really isn't. They aren't fully thinking about how much impact it'll have. It definitely ruins the experience bc of extracting just bc you have a scroll, armor scrap, and crystal ball. You're inventory is already like half full, plus the all the meds you need, campfires if you're cleric or wizard, plus all the arrows you need if you're ranger. Like it would just suck. There's no need to remove him, it's unnecessary imo

[@nerderousrampage]

@@guccimane8310 However, to be fair they didn't say anything in the patch notes about removing the dungeon express/express-man. I was especially concerned once they revealed that the bosses would also be on crypts. You would only have enough inventory space to kill one boss.

[@kcvamer83]

i could fw a pirate map

[@lapix7333]

making bis more affordable lowers the equipment gap between players. i think that is something good

[@MaBigFatEgo]

really good!

[@SayItWithASM]

a best in slot item should be expensive and hard to come by.

[@sethmeek941]

I know this is going to make it sound like an mmo but maybe if players are joining in later have some of the mobs spawn in waves at later times of the map so people can still get a chance to clear what has already been cleared.

[@nukesRus123]

ngl sorcerer getting utility spells and summons really rubs me the wrong way, like what's even the point of the wizard at this point if Sorcerer doesn't need to sit, can spell damage and provide util? It should've been the Barbarian to Wizard's fighter but this just looks like a flat out better class lmao

[@guccimane8310]

They said they wanted to rework Wizard. Not like completely rework him but they wanted to change how he is. So he might be a full support role, similar to Cleric. And he'll be much different than sorcerer. And hopefully won't be completely useless lmao.

[@PicoriElder]

IMHO, they should seriously keep the expressman. Otherwise, there is no point in actually going through all floors of the map and only rushing for the one layer you are after. If you fill up in ruins, why go down to crypts or inferno? For the new map, please for the love of god FIX LADDERS FIRST! there is so many ladders in almost every screenshot we saw.

[@snekers2038]

Why tf did they snub my mans expressman

[@user-miggygtz]

Honestly for as much as I hate the updates revolving mainly around balancing, I appreciate the time and energy Iron Mace is putting into cooking up a better game.

[@Ravlorr]

I have a feeling we're going to see the skeleton champion dressed as Santa Claus where the long dining table is... 😋

[@kimiko2519]

Wish we got a tease of upcoming stuff like spells or subclassing or more perks or even skills cause tbh wizard is cooked without new spells especially like a teleport or something and nothing about wands or quivers if that is what they are gonna work on this upcoming wipe

[@SnyprLife4]

lmaoooo teleport? im glad youre not a dev

[@kimiko2519]

@SnyprLife4 do u play dnd are u braindead that is what it's based off

[@spacecowboy_mma]

They get a blink in the mobile version of game. I think it’s fair fr tho wizard like the slowest class now

[@BigPandazTTV]

@@spacecowboy_mmayeah wiz shouldn’t be fast per se but 301 ms with max roll boots that aren’t light foots feels awful

[@guccimane8310]

Teleport would be horrible especially for Wizard. I don't understand why people in the DAD community want everything and anything added. Sometimes yall just be asking for so much, and somethings just wouldn't work well or it would be too strong or too bad. We don't need all these things

[@Isaax]

Thank you OnePeg for all the excellent coverage for all things Dark and Darker. You are a genuine positive force in the community and we'd be much lesser without you in it

[@nicolas5960]

gems system looks good

[@itslirks]

Odin did drop a spell name when fighting lich he mention using eruption to launch yourself in the first clip

[@mrdan6005]

a couple points i want to bring up- 1: Gems- I argue its another "need potions to craft potions" dilemma. if its RNG, farm gems for +agi +MS +AS and cycle. (its RATTIN' Time) OR if its normalized, either way youll need gems so why not barb crush or bard flute rush every dungeon? maybe allow it so we can upgrade trash gems to higher tier? idk. 2: a problem with joining a match in progress is summarized as such-> spawn, die to aggroed mobs or a player, or die to hell bleed out. (eg. goblin caves spawn "fixes"). its a cool concept for sure and will be awesome if implemented correctly but major hesitancy because of those forseeable problems. 3: Sorcerer looks real neato. i think all classes need like 1 more base knowledge and 2 more spell charges though.

[@mrmotivation1]

well looks like ill hop back on this game again lol

[@isayaragnes8066]

gotta love 3 spells and 3 falchion headshots to kill a zombie lmao

[@BigGreasyMen]

yaaahhhh another week of content woooo

[@Skye-xj3bx]

I really dislike the whole joining an in progress match the whole point if a raid is that you are there from the start and having to take time to find a game inbetween layers feels like its going to be horrible especially for lower player count servers such as oce which im on :/

[@beltboxgamers7651]

New goblin cave map? With another key like the skull key to open a loot room. Seems like an addition to goblin with alot of loot opportunity

[@greentext2345]

Looks like they have been cooking with the next wipe.

[@XanderMukbang]

let me explain already how this is completely broken, the rising stone and the golem will be blocking doorways like treant druid, then the air will make it impossible to get near, while him also not running out of spells allows him to hit and run and use this strat INFINITELY

[@reddev1l550]

Tis why the class is being released as WIP. Gonna give the community access and let them find hidden bugs and op combos. I'm allllll for letting the community help out.

[@JavelinBayraktar]

i like that gameplay feature, suckathings, wanna perfect it already!

[@raphytator]

Great news ! I was talking with my nephew during the Ironmace Live, so I didn't eared everything (^_^`)\ Thanks for this summary ! Nice for Instagram, I will follow you =)

[@K4G-117]

when did they say random people would be pulled from different ruins maps to fill crypts? Isn't it just 1 server across all three floors still. And if someone dies in crypts someone else can just now spawn on ruins in his place and can now come down to you if they have time

[@LuvIndi_]

No, the point of the gems being added is TO be able to make better versions of what u picked up so yes the BiS rolls need to stay but I do agree with the limited value to keep the reward of natural findings yes

[@butterlord9527]

Whoever doesn't like the Gem system are people that need gear checking to win and they will never win a torch fight

[@thestrawberryman10]

Cant wait for 330 ms 160 hp sorc that just one shots me every run

[@venomous7321]

The continuous dungeon is the dumbest idea the devs have pulled out of their ass yet. I don’t think it’s gonna flop, I know it’s a flop. They are about to spend the next 6 patches fixing it

[@pauljerome01]

Yeah 20 hunter traps in the ground to punish players joining late

[@TheTruxFortuita]

Refractory period...thats uhhhh...thats what you meant LOL

[@predator5915]

I hope they add animate dead spell to wizard

[@reddev1l550]

I doubt that would be a spell for Wizard. I think that would however fit really well into a Necromancer class

[@Bucktoothedbandit]

is the goblin in tbe picture not the loot bag goblin? unique npc?

[@fanglei]

That has been a place holder image for almost every new merchant .

[@Bucktoothedbandit]

@@fanglei no the picture of the goblin with the bone tree

[@kr0nikkillaz]

100 percent agree that the gems should only replace 1 stat at best. It's been proven that the the majority care more about finding their own loot opposed to having stats squashed to obtain BIS. I would rather find my own gear and use the gems and marketplace as a FILLER (fill in some loose gear ends) opposed to primarily using the marketplace and gems, which in turn, resorts to "finding" loot as FILLER gear.

[@joshkell5663]

I really really really really really really really really hope that you can still buy gear & not lose it in arena. PLZZZZZ

[@petermadden2750]

So excited for the update

[@Rikuto01]

I think the persistent dungeon thing is probably going to be a pretty big mistake. The more I think about it, the more unfixable problems it introduces. And Ironmace does not do pre-emptive solutioning very well. Both SDF and Terry get a little too eager to just make something and worry about fixing it later without considering the damage it does in the interim, or even if its the correct step to take. Whether you have a solution in mind or not, when you introduce a problem, you will lose certain players permanently as a result. Ironmace does not adequately respect this fact.

[@dilbopillobobip7528]

Yeah, no one sees this, yet IM perpetually make the biggest mistake devs can by doing two things - 1. Not adhering to a transparent roadmap, and 2. Continue to retcon content, muddying the canvas while balance remains ignored. We still have 2 parry weapons, but don't worry - you can put gems in your gear now, follow a religion no one cares about and go swimming/fishing soon? It's kinda nuts at this point how bad they're doing.

[@sirbinksworthmcwiggleton]

So what if I kill someone with a decked out weapon stocked with gems. Can I extract these said gems or is it permanently in there?

[@Spazzmaz]

So no warlock nerfs? Well then I’m not coming back to the game. They can add all the new stuff they want. How about fix class disparity

[@ScaryGUY420]

New meta will be just running for extracts i can already tell the random maps solve this but with only 1 ramdom map it wont worl as well

[@sunshower6560]

Not having the Expressman in the game anymore is a huge disaster. If I want to boss or do quests on Crypts or Hell, and I kill someone or a team, I have to then extract, because I'm full on gear. This has to change. The Expressman existing hurts nothing.

[@mellowdarkness3344]

I can only see it as slowing people down from amassing wealth. It was much easier to find some decent loot, yeet that into expressman, and then extract with even more loot you find in lower levels

[@venomphilthy5035]

You didn’t listen properly and that’s ok

[@sunshower6560]

@@venomphilthy5035 Enlighten me.

[@mcdonalduck]

Reds are going to be open immediately. Just extract, come back, go red. Saves you the expressman fees too

[@sunshower6560]

@@mcdonalduck I don’t want to feel forced to extract, because I’m full and wanted to clear Ruins on my way down. It’s bricked.

[@0rphros]

Gem eco going hard.

[@desiboi926]

1. Customization Enhances Value, Not Reduces It Allowing players to slot items for their desired stats doesn't inherently reduce the value of BIS items; it can increase it. Players often value items that can be tailored to their specific build or playstyle. BIS items with customizable slots could become even more desirable because they combine powerful base stats with flexibility for optimization. 2. Economics of Slotting Mechanisms Implementing slotting mechanics can create additional demand for materials or resources needed for slotting. This could boost the in-game economy rather than devalue BIS items. Players might still pay a premium for BIS items with ideal slots or potential for perfect customization. 3. BIS Items Often Have Unique Properties BIS items typically stand out not just because of their raw stats but because of unique abilities, synergies, or higher base values. Slotting stats might complement BIS items but wouldn’t replace their intrinsic appeal. For example, a legendary sword with high base damage and a unique effect remains valuable even if slotting stats are introduced. 4. Player Effort Drives Value Slotting BIS stats often requires effort, such as farming for rare materials or paying a high cost. This effort adds value to the process, as players take pride in optimizing their gear. BIS items could become a foundation that players build upon, maintaining or even increasing their desirability. 5. Demand for Pre-Optimized BIS Items Not all players want to engage in slotting or optimization; many would still prefer pre-optimized BIS items. This creates a market for fully completed BIS gear, meaning such items would retain their value for players who prioritize convenience. 6. Item Rarity Still Matters The rarity and drop rate of BIS items remain key factors in determining their value. Slotting mechanics don’t make BIS items less rare; they might even enhance their appeal if only BIS items have specific slotting capabilities. This is why streamers like you should stick to streaming not acting like you know anything becuase you have a mouth and you stream. This data is supported with 2 decades of research from a very well known game called world of warcraft.

[@itherealykb1317]

BIS items DOES NOT have often unique properties...only artifacts and some craft have unique properties... a lot of BIS items are BIS because they have perfect rolls... so yes it WILL drop the value of BIS items

[@desiboi926]

@@itherealykb1317 Unique properties i did not mean that. I was referring to unique stats. Like a combination of wanted stats on 1 item. We can compare arena kits anytime you want i bet my kits are better. I know the differences of what You're saying but you're trying to play on a technicality instead of listening to what I'm trying to say about the whole big picture.

[@itherealykb1317]

@@desiboi926 you make no sense buddy

[@itherealykb1317]

@@desiboi926 a blue item with 2 good rolls and 2-3 gems will be as good as BIS legendary...just saying... good lock having gems on unique and legendary, it's gonna be really end wipe

[@desiboi926]

Actually I don't really think you know what you're talking about I think you did not read everything I wrote what I was arguing for was the statement that he made and the statement was simply that the introduction of all these gems will now ruin the bis items and what I'm trying to say is that the introduction of gems is a good thing and that's not going to ruin the value of BIS items

[@cubbsOFC]

and what if you can use earth and wind and make a fast rock or a couple that do less damage

[@Onepeg]

They said there were more spells and combinations than what was shown so should be cool.

[@garbagebalrog2980]

HELLISH REBUKE FTW

[@urebeatsgaming7285]

I was pretty hyped for a new season, then i saw footage of druid and i immediately remembered why i quit the game

[@clintonpiercy6651]

Looks like a lot of work for the crumbs of a player ase that is left😅

[@NZgoblin]

Crazy to me that the dev stream was 720p

[@MarkusGrand]

Id rather the devs max out their developer skill stat instead of streamer ability stat

[@NZgoblin]

@MarkusGrand I would rather they do both if you want to defend Ironmace showing the new content for the first time in 720p then you can If you want.

[@donttouchmysoda7551]

@@NZgoblin of all the things to whine about 😂

[@OdinCasts]

Our twitch channel is not affiliate because it has never really been active, so the encoder is limited (it's also part of why it bricked the recording on my pc), it was 720 for this reason.

[@murgeous]

@@NZgoblinoh no they posted in 720p 😞 my bad eyes neef 4k😞

[@laurinbalsiger3887]

Tbh if they wamma make the game more pvve there needs to be more pve stuff to do

[@ShadowHybrid92]

ok as someone that plays more casually tanking bis item values isnt a bad thing it means ones like me can actually stand a chance against folks who play this game way too much

[@BigPandazTTV]

People will bitch abt “gear doesn’t feel good to find” but it’s better than being nearly impossible to obtain

[@SayItWithASM]

That's the thing the guy who plays more and has significantly better gear should roll you 99% of the time, I don't see that as an issue that needs to be fixed.

[@butterbee2384]

L video editing, could have looped the clips of spells you were talking about as you were talking about them

[@Ahubkiasoul]

Grayson banned me for ladder complaints

[@CocoMura]

idk I feel like peggers is being a bit neg in this one.

[@nicolaslemieux9217]

Bring back AI Onepeg!

[@Onepeg]

I might not have a choice with that. Got a surgery consult soon.

[@40thievesgaming]

Id trade the dumbass gem upgrade system for the expressman staying his ass put any day. Nobody wants the gem system, everyone likes the expressman.

[@tjhookertj6923]

why wont you go back to tarkov scooter.. smh.

[@HuffinCrack]

Pog

[@pauljerome01]

unfair they nerfed ice shield to the ground to give it to sorcerer lazy design

[@troyrogers4992]

Back to minted Arena is big lame. :/

[@daniellievano585]

Game ded.

[@justly3943]

We got avatar class before gta6

[@Vulgun]

In my honest (and very harsh and critical) opinion: -The socketing system isn't really going to be healthy for the game in the long term. Everyone getting what they perceive as BiS will just reduce playstyle variety and remove the fun aspect of the combat. I feel this will really dampen the experience and just incentivize even more marketplace shenanigans (and less dungeon diving) in general. -Fog of War looks god awful in what we see in the preview; I was expecting that it would reveal the module (and still suck anyway), but revealing very little is not good, especially in rooms where the module is just open and easily visible all throughout. We already have randomized dungeons coming anyway, so a Fog of War will really not be good for the game in its current iteration. -Infilling should just straight up respawn monsters if people start coming in. That or monsters respawn some time after being killed just so players who get into lobbies later will have the opportunity to fight them. Otherwise this system, just like the previous two, will not be good for the game. -Randomized maps are also not going to be good for the long term of the game. It really shows their philosophy on map design being substandard and I really do not like the direction they're going. I would rather them make an intricately-designed map layout or two for each map rather than the current module-slop they've been feeding us, then randomize little secret nooks, crannies and areas in those deliberately-designed maps in order to facilitate unique experiences. But with the new randomized map system, I feel that ship has sailed and we will be stuck with poor map design for the rest of the game's life cycle. -Continuous maps will be disastrous for the game's health. Not only does this de-incentivize PvP combat, but it also greatly encourages the rat/crow playstyle that is so heavily frowned upon by the community, by giving people the opportunity to go deeper or leave a dungeon whenever they want to. With movement speed still being the deciding factor in PvP encounters, I just don't see people being able to get into engagements in the first place before that 106% movement speed Rogue gets to a static dungeon portal. And say you do find someone you really want to take down and decide to follow them into the dungeon. Guess what, there's the chance that you WON'T be in the same queue as them! Overall a very terrible concept that will just make the game worse. People already DON'T want to engage, so why incentivize it further? -Removing the Expressman is probably their worst decision they could've made this upcoming wipe. Period. -Good luck to Sorcerer mains out there. You're about to be either soft countered or hard countered by literally every single class in the game and there's nothing you can do about the majority of them. And with a lot of spells being very slow-moving or taking too much time to cast, you're about to get jumped on top of before you make any good play with them. -The new map looks really good. If only they weren't going to ruin it by making randomized dungeons.

[@wubnoxious]

wiz iz ded

[@tphil5901]

Incoming big buffs for wiz!

[@josephg1125]

its the most OP class look at the amount of wizards on arena top 100 and highroller trios top 100

[@koreyardoin3695]

Market in general needs to be devalued. This weird centralized economy that the game has turned into is bad and the inflation of gold values at the higher end is insane. Unique artifacts shouldn't even be 1/3rd of the price that they currently are. Now I understand that's due to their rarity, but that's what I'm saying. The high end should not be nearly as rare and RNG dependent as it is. And the devs even half agree with this cause of their previous statements of disliking the gold value of a lot of these items.

[@tphil5901]

I've always hated the when games made "rare" gear less rare. It takes away all the excitement of the chase and feeling you get when you finally pulled an item. The way it felt to pull an Uber rare in Diablo or WoW is something special.... That being said the biggest difference here is that in Diablo and WOW you can't lose your gear when you die immediately with it. So in dark and darkers case I can see the need for maybe lower rarity for gear acquisition

[@koreyardoin3695]

​@@tphil5901 It's far too broken of a system when you have gear pieces that 99% of the playerbase would never even get in the first place, much less take them into a match as it'd just be better to sell them.

[@SmokeDankTreeDaily]

ive played this game for a yr and have yet to see a artifact in my games and i never got one either...

[@SayItWithASM]

people shouldn't be running uniques and named items every raid, those are special gear pieces for when you want to run a super expensive set. It should be something that the average player who doesn't farm bosses never sees unless they kill a juicer or save enough gold.

[@koreyardoin3695]

@@SayItWithASM Yeah, nah. I completely disagree with that take.

[@MechaBengar]

All of these features are going to be broken, and buggy as hell, in typical wooden hammer style. Dont keep your hopes up, they cant even implement a quiver in a years time, you really think they will be able to properly implement randomization and/or a fog of war system? Got another thing coming bois

[@dilbopillobobip7528]

yup, lots of stuff that no-one saw coming, likely to be either completely removed or forgotten about while they bait their perpetual 5k audience with ideas of fishing. Can they just finish the damn training tree

[@MechaBengar]

@dilbopillobobip7528 training tree will never come, it has been scrapped and replaced unfortunately.

[@techtoniclive]

sounds more like a shaman