NEW! Q BOOMBOX: The Honey Badger's Big Brother

In this episode of TFBTV, ‪@JamesReeves‬ interviews the creator of the Honey Badger, Kevin Brittingham of Q, about the new Q Boombox. The Boombox is, more or less, the "big brother" of the Honey Badger. While the Honey Badger uses a 5.56mm sized frame to accommodate .300 Blackout rounds, the Boombox uses the new 8.6mm Blackout, which works in the same size frame as 7.62mm guns like .308 and 6.5 Creedmoor. And even though the Blackout has a big caliber and capability jump, it is only a few ounces heavier and a few inches longer than the Honey Badger. See what all the noise is about.
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[@TheDandyMann]

I know it might not be possible, but i think the cheaper version should be called the Walkman

[@boywonderrr71]

😂😂 u Beat me to it!

[@zerohero6602]

Perfect 😂😂😂

[@chrisdavisunofficial]

This is the perfect name

[@thelastjohnwayne]

No that would be the MICRO CARRY Version

[@gamerm4876]

The poorman’s Radio for sure

[@fire_tower]

Thank God it doesn't come with the universal standard MLOK and instead comes in something proprietary that no one asked for.

[@caleballen9765]

Typical Q lol

[@genericadjectivenounname9001]

It's a boutique weapon from a boutique company. I think it's fair for them to experiment with new things that may or may not end up crossing to the normal market. If someone cares enough, they could sell MLOK rails for the gun. The rest of us can wait for another company to start selling an 8.6 gun that doesn't cost $3k just for the gun version of the Apple tax. It's not like an AR10/DPMS couldn't do what this gun does if you give it an 8.6 barrel.

[@chrisdavisunofficial]

As far as Qsert goes, I'd suggest using them before complaining. It is by far the best attachment system ever designed. In addition to the best performance, it is the lightest.

[@tommcfarland5368]

​@@genericadjectivenounname9001 thanks Kevin B. We get it, you shoulda went Mlok. Dont be like LWRC

[@tommcfarland5368]

​@@chrisdavisunofficialok Kev, ya dont need to reply with Two different accounts..

[@FloridaMan762]

if you thought 300 blk was expensive now imagine shooting 8.6

[@roberthutchinson2856]

Psa had made 300 blk very reasonable

[@D_Boone]

I can find 300 BLK for cheaper than 5.56 and almost as cheap as 9mm. Or reload it yourself for pennies on the dollar.

[@TheDiameter]

@@D_Boonecheapest new 9mm is .23¢ per round and 5.56 is .39¢, I’d like to know where you’re getting new 300blk at less than .39¢

[@TheDiameter]

@@D_Boonethe absolute cheapest 300 on the market is .48¢ before shipping and tax.

[@joquin4618]

@@TheDiameterthanks for keeping it real

[@maximusjoseppi5904]

the most annoying thing about this cartridge is that you need a 338 silencer for it.... thats rough. most of us have 762 silencers.. so youre looking at $3-4k for the rifle plus $200 tax, $1-1.5k for a silencer plus $200 tax, $2.5k in ammo just to start with 1k rounds... this is a $6.5k+ investment just for a new caliber. thats a lot of 762+300bo guns and ammo we could buy for that price. id say its cool but inaccessible for all but a few with money to burn to experiment.

[@D_Boone]

This wasn't built for you and me.

[@berryreading4809]

It's kinda the same thing as 6.8spc, 6.5 grendel, .300BLK... It was really expensive for the people who initially invested, but they basically paid for the tooling and manufacturing costs to make it more commonly affordable for the future adopters... Can't argue about the can though, most people don't already have a .338 can... Although I am actually looking forward to what Q does in the "multi caliber" steel can market... They have a whole new lineup of basically titanium weight welded baffle and mystery steel silencers supposedly coming soon, and some are supposed to be comparatively cheap vs. comparable silencers... I guess we shall see 🤔

[@Andrew-ps6xe]

Stop being poor

[@donh1572]

You need a new job

[@bryanduchane2371]

Think a 9mm can would work just fine. Can would have to be rated to run 300BO subs too. I know Microtech Defense won a military silencer request for a 9mm can a few years ago and their can was rated for 300BO and were checking to see if their can could be rated 8.6BO too, but never heard if they got it approved for 8.6BO... That can was about $1200.00 If you wanting to know the answer, check with MicroTech Defense if you're serious about that silencer.

[@famousmidnight]

Proprietary rail system and seperate top rail. Man thats what i call ingenuity. Exactly what ive been waiting for... Extra cost and features that no one wants or needs

[@jlo6388]

James is a quality interviewer. He didn’t throw softball questions. KB stands behind his shit. I respect both dudes

[@emersonchattin9512]

You lost me at full auto for the government.

[@XDWX]

Lost me at selling to the government period.

[@10mmbestmm81]

Based

[@long-hair-dont-care88.]

At only for the government.

[@blodus4521]

I imagine 8.6 will be very effective for all fed pupper killing missions.

[@scoobie331]

I'm all for Them selling it to the Government. The faster Uncle Sam gets His hands on it the faster You can get it off of the back of a Truck on Fulton Street for 1/5th the actual sticker price.

[@jeremyabbott9909]

Was super cool meeting you James, Ryan and team as well as the Q Team in Portsmouth. Thanks for making time for the little people!!

[@king_funnyman]

Little people with government contracts lmao

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

Great meeting you!

[@future_phonk]

Can't wait to see a budget / just as good build.

[@THESLlCK]

@@assclapper2231 *biden economy

[@PrebleStreetRecords]

PA-10 braced with a Faxon 12” barrel should be in the realm of $1.2k if you wait for sales. Reloading looks sub-$1/rd, the expensive part is the solid .338 projectile. You can get cheaper 338 projectiles but they might grenade leaving the muzzle from the rotational energy.

[@AverageJoe4063]

Good to see you carrying that Boom Box properly.

[@4321watts]

Chad! This guy is a chad

[@Murky_Lurks]

twist rate changing the subsonic game... damn it.

[@Anthony-ng5pq]

And the countdown to the PSA version begins.

[@hawaiiangunner]

That's when I'll join the fun

[@Rayneman215]

Video intro had me rolling 🤣 over here the guy shooting fourth walling the camera with the smile grin 🤣🤣🤣 all in slow motion

[@jkng4606]

The Government needs full auto, those IRS agents are all giggly about now

[@YerBungus]

It's only fitting that the government would give a $3K gun (that most people can't afford) to IRS agents.

[@TuxPenguino]

The ability to Push pencils and pushing led sound the same... but they require vastly different skillsets.

[@genghiskun2287]

Im gay and really glad to see an LGBTQ+ alternative to mlok

[@mrsickwick]

Favorite comment so far

[@mattg9971]

😂😂

[@bansheekillakp6585]

😂😂

[@chrisbeavers3693]

😂😂😂

[@BullsMahunny]

Can't say I'm super happy that these gun companies are still carving out weapon niches for the government.

[@nikik5567]

Military contracts are what drive the firearm industry, they offer more money than the commercial market ever could for a single company. This is how it has always been. The civilian market with its restrictions would limit most companies to “16 inch semi auto only” rifles which doesn’t give them a ton of room to change much with designs.

[@DPham1]

Yep, the same government that's infringing on ironically enough our rights to bear arms and that field agents to carry out their bidding who use...you guessed it: arms

[@Fadaar]

outlandish requirements set forth by govt contracts tend to trickle down to us, the pleb consumers. it's annoying when we can't get things because of government contracts but a lot of times those products wouldn't even exist otherwise.

[@DeplorableBitterClinger]

@@nikik5567 some people in here seemed to have missed the point, that should have been made clear by the "still"

[@nikik5567]

@@DeplorableBitterClinger that point being what exactly? I genuinely want to hear what this supposed reason is.

[@Lexman00]

These prices are out of this world LOL. I will always appreciate the guys in the industry pushing the limits of innovation though.

[@famousmidnight]

You get to pay extra $400 for that proprietary rail that no one asked for.

[@timredfeathers7317]

2:00 the put a word “fuck” on a hydraulic press!!! Love the Q!

[@frostblasts]

Missed opportunity to call it wolverine, being similar to honey badgers but larger.

[@acemace3618]

Nah I like the more unusual names they give their products rather than the generic, pretentious, overly patriotic played out names everyone else gives their products.

[@colbyperry3325]

@@acemace3618Wolverine is so played out and patriotic, you’re right.

[@acemace3618]

@@colbyperry3325 pretentious at best

[@jackjohnson291]

@@acemace3618I can agree, but boombox is gaf.

[@Coeford]

Literally thought the same thing. Well said😅

[@ICanDoItMyself]

So, let me see if I understand. They are making their own proprietary mounting system instead of m-lok? Why? Top rail is separate instead of machined into the receiver? Why? I’m interested in the cartridge, but come on, so many questions why. Is 8.6 only limited to Q? Cuz an 8.6 Rattler would be awesome!

[@b33pb00pbr1tt]

Imagine coming out with a new gun that is essentially an AR platform in 2023 that ISN"T ambi!

[@jackjohnson291]

I don’t like most ambi controls, personally. It’s extra weight, more crap to get caught on things, and more crap to get in the way. I de-ambi (aside from the charging handle) just about every factory AR I’ve ever bought, even a POF (heresy, I know).

[@ethanbarnes3973]

Imagine being a lefty 😂

[@jb76489]

@@jackjohnson291 how weak are you that the weight of a single safety selector or a big deal?

[@ClitoridectomyGroyper]

just don't be inferior handed

[@citizenoftheninthdivision]

You're left handed? 🤢

[@roseprecision]

The embargo must have just lifted I saw three other guntubers upload a video on this.

[@tfbtv]

Thanks for recognizing an embargo without having a full blown seizure thinking that we got paid to make the video like your fellow commenters.

[@newerest1]

​@@tfbtvconspiracy!! Collusion!!! Reeeeeeee

[@sigpig912]

I absolutely love my Q HoneyBadger and my Q Fix. I'm waiting on my 12" 8.6 Fix barrel now. The Q Boom - Box chambered in .8.6 blk will be my next purchase...! As soon as it comes out I'ma do my best to be one of the first one to get one when they do drop... 😁 Can't wait. Then next I want to get a Genesis 12 SBS, PDS

[@pharmgator2001]

Got my 12" 8.6 Fix last month. Approved in 12 days. Sick ass rifle dude, but that ammo is $$$$. Bonus, free Porq Chop through the promo they were running. The Porq Chop is going to take 60-90 days to process though (I am 30 days into the wait).

[@dariusgordon2266]

I personally would love to see a rail that covers about half the suppressor. Maybe a rail cover to reduce heating for it too.

[@Starkesea]

Basically a book box SD? Add the head shield like the minifix SD and I think that's what you're asking for

[@dariusgordon2266]

@@Starkesea yes, exactly. Thanks for clarifying

[@bucdan9242]

If Q teams up with PSA/AAC, rich and poors, 8.6 might be more widely available 😂

[@EndTheNFApls]

Faxon

[@Watchdog_McCoy_5.7x28]

Never had any issues with regular mlok mounting of accessories. Just looks like an excuse to charge more money to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

[@gundude82]

Q's known for making things that appeal to people with more money than sense.

[@fullfire0]

Thought the same thing. Why try to fix something that doesn't need fixing? Just stupid

[@frognutz0o]

I dont think it matters to the person that can afford the gun.

[@cynickicksass]

What benefit to you, or anyone, is derived from publicly announcing that you can't afford this?

[@bradenmchenry995]

@@fullfire0mlok can’t be used when it’s integrally suppressed but this isn’t so…

[@neonwhitea.1548]

Who the hell named this thing?

[@1985Jleezy]

12 years later and still no ambi controls

[@jackjohnson291]

They’re entirely unnecessary, unless you’re wrong handed.

[@newerest1]

​@@jackjohnson291I like being able to lock open the bolt without taking my hand off the grip

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

They’re still dumb.

[@matthewconnor5483]

This makes more sense then the Sig .277 furry and the super hot military load.

[@ziayankee1407]

Sub sonic armor piercing 1000yds???? No comparison

[@matthewconnor5483]

@@ziayankee1407 the sig 277 and that whole crap show of of weapons program exists to counter the pkm which is dumb idea from the get go. The answer to counter the pin in far ambushes is more 240s and 60mm mortars not the m14 v2.0. Having a subsonic round to whack people at longer distances without letting the whole valley know you are there is something the Russians already have incorporated into their unit layout.

[@davidbecker1641]

As a Boom Box it should be shoulder mounted with a hip hop step and threaded for a sub woofer aftermarket suppressor.

[@localforearm1627]

why we using giant beercan casings if we dont have a barrel to burn the powder in?

[@SandstormGT]

Why comment on something you clearly know nothing about?

[@localforearm1627]

@@SandstormGT did you report my comments?

[@SandstormGT]

@@localforearm1627 no, why would I do that?

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

It does.

[@localforearm1627]

why would you want to carry giant mags and gaint cases and a giant 308 frame to just shoot a heavy subsonic round? ever heard of .45 acp? lol

[@krowchuk1]

I’m a huge fan of the 300 blk out. Done got 8.6 blk out ammunition but no gun. It’s in the works for me. Maybe I’m looking at it wrong but the faster twist rate will give more kinetic energy on target than most other common guns. Why kill my hearing or my shoulder.

[@raiter14]

The high twist rate is needed to stabilize the slow, heavy, subsonic bullet. I'm comfortable guessing the vast majority of the energy deposited into a target comes from a bullet's linear velocity not rotational velocity...I think if you fired a spitzer into gel from close range (no chance to keyhole) from a rifled and unrifled barrel you'd see pretty similar results aside from any tumbling the lack of spin might introduce

[@sub0fathom]

It is somewhat like a space marine Bolter.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

I suggested the Brown Bear and the budget friendly Black Bear. But im also building a 300 BLK Honey Buzzard so my naming ideas may not be great.

[@wittsullivan8130]

I remember reading about people loading hot rounds with 40-45 grain hp or soft point bullets in .223 and shooting them with 1/7 twist barrels and the bullets fragmented as they left the barrel from the combination of high velocity and fast twist. 1/3 twist is insane! :)

[@AnonEMus-cp2mn]

There's been some claims that 8.6 with lead-core projectiles have the jacket tear apart under the 1/3 twist rate. If that is true then solid-copper projectiles may be the only option.

[@oliverlamie3449]

I've heard the same claim on 55gr 243 Winchester at a "fast" (I think 1:9) twist rate. Good thing they only load with monolithic copper slugs.

[@Marksman5147]

Well that’s because the heavier the bullet the faster twist you need with a shorter barrel, .300 blackout was designed for a 1:5 twist barrel, hence why Sig and Q who actually invented .300 all use 1:5 twist for their .300 guns.

[@jackjohnson291]

@@Marksman5147The issue becomes versatility over speciality. I’ve never been too impressed with subs in 300BLK and use supers (even when suppressed). Since it seems the majority of people are shooting unsuppressed, there isn’t a big advantage in shooting lackluster subs, hence the popularity of slower twist rates. Lucky for us all, there are tons of options to meet our needs.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

@@AnonEMus-cp2mnnot true

[@hobbstactv2571]

9x39 exists, fits in a shorter action, fires bullets that are slightly wider and just as heavy, and doesn't require a twist rate that's closer to a thread pitch than rifling. I just don't understand 8.6.

[@nikik5567]

It’s not Russian.

[@maximusjoseppi5904]

well it doesnt sound like youre a ballistics engineer so no one would imagine youd understand it

[@roberthutchinson2856]

9x39 doesnt have the super sonic capability offered by 8.6

[@Andrew-ps6xe]

9x39 has inferior terminal performance at subsonic velocities. The copper 8.6 projectiles peel into half dollar size flowers. 8.6 is not meant for plinking. It's meant to maximize subsonic performance at ranges well beyond conventional subsonic ranges.

[@notjaisavage740]

Why the fuck is the boombox using such a short barrel?

[@derekddurbin]

I love KB I have the fix mini fix HBSD and Thunder Chicken el Camino erector and erector 9. I can’t wait to get my hands on a boombox I’d love to build one or just check the shop out sometime and spend a vacation day out there and meet KB. I’ve loved his creations since the AAC days.

[@nickabrahall1412]

Best firearm channel out there 👍

[@ShootingUtah]

Reloading for 8.6 is going to be a MUST! With modified .308 brass the cost of reloading ammo shouldn't actually be that bad. Not any worse than any other large hunting caliber. .338 bullets are still usually quite expensive but if this caliber takes off like 300blk did then there should be some good affordable options out there over the next 5 to 10 years. I'm excited to see if that happens and to build a gun in the caliber to mess around with.

[@timewave02012]

Thank you TFB TV for actually justifying the fast twist of 8.6 BLK. I didn't understand the point of .338 subsonic, considering it doesn't get that much more mass, and therefore forward kinetic energy (because velocity is limited), but if you can put extra energy into spinning, it helps the bullet expand, and transfer energy to the target.

[@RippinBeefers]

This gives off a "completely useless" vibe that many shooters dont seem to like.

[@ClitoridectomyGroyper]

You don't actually get it because you got a room temp IQ

[@TheGreekSparten]

​@@ClitoridectomyGroyperyour name shows you are a nonwhite

[@RippinBeefers]

@@ClitoridectomyGroyper it would seem that youre only saying that because youre a good little follower consumerist and dont actually look at the specifications of these things. 8.6blk is completely useless to begin with anyways.

[@ClitoridectomyGroyper]

@@RippinBeefers You wouldn't see the use because you're living in the stone age. This is a similar platform to the Russian AS Val and VSS Vintorez but obviously much superior in quality and execution.

[@RippinBeefers]

@@ClitoridectomyGroyper the use is to spend more money on a cartridge and gun thats only slightly better than the existing options for marginal result improvement. If it was such a great caliber and gun, every manufacturer would be racing to make this shit combo.

[@maximaleffort]

Wow this is cool. Thanks for sharing the fruit of your hard work all. 🍻

[@KD-lb9bg]

Lol, all this, including proprietary attachments and the absolute worst name ever.

[@wafflebunny123]

an attempt to be hipster or cool with the kids lol

[@ReaperLust]

And don't forget ugly colors.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

It’s so good.

[@KD-lb9bg]

@@kevinbrittingham6774 Lol, the "Ghetto Blaster 3000".

[@Techcensorshipbot]

"select fire for the government" Yeah because they can be trusted with automatic weapons, they are above the lowly citizen.

[@stephensands3485]

Extremely cool and imo usefully innovate design. Cutting edge stuff is usually prohibitively expensive for most people, but hopefully we’ll see something similar to what we saw with the 5.7s, 300 BLKs and etc., where the initial versions were super expensive, but after a few years other manufacturers came out with more affordable options.

[@Sophisticlesenergy]

Fully agree, I see huge versatility for military and hunting applications with this round Would be interested to see if they play with the twist rate and higher pressure loads for more range

[@thefrustratedtheologian6238]

So, 8.6 mm equals .338 caliber.

[@Running_Firewater]

Yep, 8.6 blackout is using the same projectiles as the 338 federal, 338 rcm, 338wm, & 338 Lapua.

[@thetraveler5798]

NICE 👍 ‼️ Always thought about something like this. Well you did it. 👏👏👏 Expensive BUT I think is worth it . Nice Job guys 👍!! 😎🤙

[@SlimeSquare]

James Reeve's shorts are getting shorter and shorter and I'm here for it.

[@spacebagels_5217]

Jesus Christ man Kevin is something else. He thinks they make better triggers than Geissele? Q is the cult brand 100%

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

It is. Geissele can double. So, disqualifier for a lot of contracts. Q trigger is better.

[@ianbrisland1982]

“Just about everything in Africa…” not sure how well that will go down

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

With one shot…when it’s 8.6 Blk

[@drez13]

Love the research and striving to improve and optimise these guys do.

[@huey13player]

"Why do i care about q sert?" We don't, and we don't want it.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

Better, stronger, lighter.

[@fire_tower]

Here's a better name Q: The Wolverine. A honey badger but bigger and meaner.

[@lambman1999]

Tape deck, ghetto deck, hi-fi, ghetto box, lo-fi, 808. Regardless of name I’ll probably get the lower end one to match my sugar weasel

[@johnnyrocket1320]

I like it as a specialty platform. Especially for hunting. Does anyone know if they fixed the FIX 6.5 Creedmoor feeding issues with ballistic tipped ammo ? Read about it in the Hide .....

[@Will-Mc09]

I haven’t had issues with mine. I have a Proof barrel though. I’ve taken some game with 6.5 too

[@RocksJiggle]

Hopefully, I can source parts. I would love to build an 8-10 in 8.6, so happy the cal is moving forward.

[@floridaman727]

Should’ve stuck to a name like the honey badger. Maybe wolverine or grizzly or something

[@Tokio_Tsu]

demo ranch gave them the name idea

[@brenttesterman3171]

!!!!!Full blown game changer!!!!!

[@Otuhh]

The gun is neat. But im more interested in if other companies will make a rifle chambered in 8.6. Maybe we will get a ptr51 chambered in it and it won't be such a flashbang. Maybe a ruger sfar 8.6 version. Yeah it might be better than 300 blk, but some of big companies are just now making more than one/two rifles(or options) chambered in 300 and its been out awhile.

[@Helmforge]

Faxon already sells rifles and barrels in 8.6 Blackout.

[@Two_Names]

SFAR in multiple calibers is where the win is. Just need better barrel change capacity and aftermarket options. Lightweight .308 frame has so much potential.

[@Marksman5147]

Genesis Arms already unrevealed their 8.6BLK PDW with proprietary stock they designed for LR308 lowers (meant for their lower that works with any LR308 lower)

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

Of course they will. Just like they all made 300blk rifles after we did that…

[@cb253]

Kevin, Please follow through with the less exquisite version! I prefer to customize all of my ARs the same way. I called to get a custom 8.6 BO Barrel for a DPMS Small Frame G2, and it was over $1000 since I only wanted one. At over $2500 I would prefer not to build a frankenstein DPMS, and would rather buy your Sugar Weasel version of the Boom Box!

[@BaddFrogg777]

Or get a Robinson Arms XCR-M in .308. Or various calibers available.

[@huntmatthewd]

Maybe a couple small unit military contracts and a couple collectors. Maybe. It sounds neat, just nowhere near practical $.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

It’s a new capability. That’s not for everyone.

[@mattm7920]

I need more money, like A LOT more. 😂

[@BB-yh5rd]

I love engineers because without them and left up to me humanity would still be using sharp sticks and throwing rocks. AR and AK are super cool but now that every 5 blocks someone is making those things it's just a matter of time before someone innovated. This is a pretty cool looking setup which I will wait a couple years for to come down in price so I can feed the kids chicken in the meantime.

[@clrd4tkoff]

That is such a cool gun!! WOW!! 🤗🤗🤗👍🏻👍🏻

[@rubeclayton8233]

For Those Prices ... I'll Just Keep My .308 Good Luck With Your Over Priced Products...

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

Thank you.

[@morgan2029]

you could start with just a barrel swap.

[@glmorten]

Managing a whole other platform and ammo is just in the cards for me right now. I already am running out of room!

[@jackjederstrombergman4987]

So it took 10 years from 300blk to be introduced to being a mainstream round. Lets hope 8.6 takes less than that

[@JaronActual]

I don't see it happening. 300 BLK has the advantage of fitting in the smaller, more affordable AR-15 platform. 8.6 requires the larger, much more expensive AR-10. Maybe you can do it in something like a Ruger SFAR. 300 BLK uses common and inexpensive .308 bullets. 8.6 needs less common and more expensive .338 bullets, particularly ones that that can withstand the fast twist rate. 300 BLK succeeded because it could live up to most of the marketing hype. It's an extremely versatile round that performs well in places the 9mm and 5.56 fall short. You can run it subsonic at close range where it outperforms the 9mm using a platform the same size as just about any sub gun. The trade-off is ammo is heavier to carry. Supersonic, it delivers much more damage than 5.56 at shorter ranges, but it doesn't reach the 500-600 yards 5.56 can. But if you only care about 0-300 yards, it does a great job right there. It's not a bad one-rifle solution for someone who wants a defensive weapon that can also be used for hunting medium game. 8.6 BLK is mostly a one-trick pony. I'm sure it's a fun range toy, but I don't know how big the short-range subsonic large game hunting market is. But outside that, it doesn't do anything that .308 or 6.5 CM can't, other than drain your wallet.

[@morgan2029]

@@JaronActual I already had a solid 308 AR-10 and for $300 I got a 86 barrel and gas block. So the total invested in my rifle was around $1000. My AR-10 is a M&P 10 and got it on sale.

[@Motorboatmike]

That’s very interesting about twist rate and hollow point expansion🤔

[@AndrewAspiringGamer]

The one thing i wish it had is the Brownells gas shutoff system that lets you use it as a straightpull bolt action. In case you want the semi auto with optional super quiet shots.

[@misternitro1]

could you imagine getting hit full auto with a mag of 8.6 expanders? Dearest christ some Tier 1, blood lust dude is going to gungasm himself

[@eamonshields2754]

Looks sweet I’m sold

[@danielmackormack8524]

Thank you for the review

[@PartyRockProfessional]

Less than 2 minutes in and “we won’t sell auto’s to civilians”. Companies need to stop half assing their “pro-2A” stances

[@roberthutchinson2856]

Show me a company selling autos to civilians

[@rrr3r2]

They literally can’t sell full auto guys to civilians

[@mumblety96]

WHEN is Sig going to release the Raptor in 8.6BLK?

[@samueldevore5082]

When the creator of 300 blackout starts saying he's got a newer better idea, I'm a listen

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

😊

[@robfarrell9104]

Can’t wait to see them cease and desist again once the ATF catches wind of this platform. Nothing better than a manufacture with a backbone lol.

[@Watchdog_McCoy_5.7x28]

And they still wanna sell select fire to the government...

[@jackjohnson291]

“Select fire for the government” isn’t a backbone, but it’s closer than many other manufacturers to it.

[@robfarrell9104]

@@jackjohnson291 I was referring to them caving to the ATF so easily when it came to pistol verse SBR.

[@jackjohnson291]

@@robfarrell9104Ah, gotcha. My mistake. And I agree completely.

[@a1racer441]

I like that it’s like 18 different colors of fde, it’s urban fde camo.

[@MUCKLEECH]

two things will kill this: 1. Brace ban 2. Special 8.6mm suppressors vs standard .30 cal cans

[@brivas3343]

.338 cans are a thing.

[@MUCKLEECH]

@@brivas3343 yeah no shit. How many of them are in consumers hands VS .308 suppressors?

[@colby1398]

@@brivas3343 Sure, but nobody owns them. As opposed to 7.62/.308 cans that are extremely common.

[@huntmatthewd]

Uh, you need to pull out a 2nd mortgage for ammo. That could be a slight issue. 😒

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

No use bought .30 silencers until I did 300 Blk 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@ColourOfTheGods]

8.6 with a 1:3 twist rate. AKA how to shoot out your barrel after 1000 rounds. Pretty though

[@huntmatthewd]

My thought as well.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

That doesn’t happen.

[@morgan2029]

that happens with 6.5 due to the high velocity, not twist rate.

[@bmd1825]

Watching every video I can on this build...about to start assembling my “ project” AR-10 in 8.6

[@NavigatorTrig]

8.6 blk looks awesome, both the supers and subs.

[@mumblety96]

those supers are vicious.

[@jblb42]

If you can get a boombox for the same as a HK or a skar I would say it’s a frigging bargain, because you are getting a much better higher quality gun with the boombox in my opinion.

[@sirbalanced5486]

Kevin is just like Uncle Rico

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

😂

[@Rayneman215]

But on a serious tip that is one major looking and performing carbine Salute and bless also happy belated Father's day

[@jediflipflops]

Why they missed out on Boom Stick???

[@XDWX]

Boom Sticks are shotguns

[@ragnarok993]

Should call the budget version the Walkman

[@ragnarok993]

@hikeskool hahahaha got better things to do with my life than read youtube comments my dude but you go off.

[@kassenz]

8.6 kinda makes me forget about 350 Legend, 450, 458 SOCOM and 338 Federal and 450 Raptor

[@Hati321]

This is innovative stuff. And I don't mean just the 1 in 3" twist. But especially the twist rate. I think a lot of people don't understand what the twist rate can do for muzzle energy and energy downrange. I quickly built a spreadsheet to see what twist rate can do for energy and I'm still hard. And that's after I came a little.

[@Sophisticlesenergy]

😂 scrolling at 4am and your comment did not disappoint 🤣🤣

[@Sophisticlesenergy]

But for real imagine a round like this with a non expansive projectile in the style of the underwood extreme defender or penetrator Their whole thing works off rotational energy and I would bet that an 8.6 with that would be like shooting a 50 cal with no recoil (or range) and dead silent. They use a solid copper projectile too so no exploding ammo problem

[@PrebleStreetRecords]

I think there can be a lot of interesting development for lower MV but ultra-high rotation defensive rounds. Traditional soft expanding projectiles are basically a “solved game” at this point.

[@scottlehman9738]

Very cool.

[@llamagetchya4118]

My Sugar Weasel just became the Sub-Woofer. Be waiting what they call the workers version of this.

[@Steve69419]

I love seeing guns that real people will never own

[@markrobbins1018]

If 8.6 ammo ever got to the point where the average shooter could afford to practice shooting I truly believe it would become the number-one gun of choice for home- defense, self-defense, and hunting rifle for everyone who shoots game within 300 yards, I am contemplating ordering either the porkchop, DD DTF Li or CGS Hekate now so maybe by the time it gets out of the ATF's extortion racket maybe 8.6 ammo will be Sami approved and more manufactures will get on board.

[@DevonReclaimed]

"select fire for the government" Spoken like an enslaved man

[@TheNapalmFTW]

It's kev. What do you expect

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

😂

[@sameullam]

thing is, with ammo coming in at around $2.5/round that's a big nope for most ppl. Hell some good 338 Lapua rounds are even cheaper than that, so it doesnt make sense.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

Ammo will be within 10% the cost of 6.5 Creedmoor

[@voteholyk]

That hand rail system is dumb. I wasn't aware I needed something "stronger" than keymod or Mlok and then you have to buy all new stuff. If it isn't broke, don't fix it. That will probably make people not want to buy it. That being said, this round and gun is an engineering marvel for what it is. I hope it becomes cheaper and more common like 300 blk

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

The mounting system is superior. Stronger, lighter, better zero retention.

[@voteholyk]

​@@kevinbrittingham6774 Just because something is "superior" doesn't make it more useful. I bet they put Mlok on the version they sell to market.

[@kevinbrittingham6774]

That’s ridiculous. But, a cheaper version will exist and be basic.

[@Redeemed_Team]

2:47 my boy mastered the kimchi squat 😂❤

[@JorgeGarcia-lw7vc]

I mean, yeah, it's cool. Couldn't you just rebarrel an Aero 308 and get something to do the same thing, for a third of the cost?

[@Nick-hm9rh]

Q isnt about Financial efficiency

[@long-hair-dont-care88.]

FN FAL or g series.

[@roberthutchinson2856]

This looks to be based on the revolution receivers so not quite

[@jasoncaponetti1597]

Yes, you can re-barrel a .308/6.5 CM upper and change calibers with just the barrel swap. Same bolt face, same receiver, same magazines, etc. The gas tube lengths tend to be shorter (pistol length on 8" and 12" barrels, carbine length on 16" barrels) but it is pretty simple to change those components when you swap the barrel. It's not inexpensive to shoot, even if you reload, but it is fun and versatile as a hunting/home defense platform.

[@danpurvis3108]

No… the whole point of 8.6 is that you can have a much, much higher grain bullet than a 308 case would allow because it’s a larger diameter, longer bullet going into a shorter case. That is what you want for shooting subs specifically. The idea is that you have a high energy subsonic platform that can also shoot supers in order to flex to longer ranges.

[@jaypee389]

I use thick rubber bands as a vert grip. Good for laying down a firebase standing.

[@newerest1]

Cool gun, cant wait to see how the future goes.

[@drkaymotorsports]

Very interesting!