NEW RORY & MAL | Episode 31 | "Zoovie"

The guys start off debating whether The Carter 3 is a classic or not … no literally, this is the first sentence, so prepare for a music deep dive. Mal insists Wayne has no classic albums, and Rory and Demaris, as always, disagree with him, and ask him to give an example of a classic album to him, and he insists most “classics” are overhyped. This leads into a conversation about The Weeknd’s Dawn FX release, where the guys try to decipher what kind of woman and situation inspired this album (11:44). They comment on Timbaland’s ‘Thriller’ comparison, and then segue into a conversation about Gunna’s new album, and if he’s a better artist than Lil Baby (36:42). Gunna has all the kids saying “P”… so of course we had to figure out what that meant, and got into some emotional rapper discussions, including a ‘Deuces (Remix)’ breakdown (43:22). Of course we had to battle it out and debate who would win the Jaheim Vs. Usher Verzuz, as well as debate who could actually beat Usher (1:06:27). We also get into some sad sh*t (RIP Bob Saget), some bullsh*t (Did you too have a fake G-Shock?) + more!
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[@flyjon]

“Wayne had y’all Roc-A-Fella boys shakin in your button downs” 😂😂😂😂😂😂💀💀💀

[@richbabe7836]

“Shaking in ya Chains” 🤣🤣🤣

[@flyjon]

@@richbabe7836 hilarious 😂

[@roddiboi87]

Lmaoooo dead

[@humblebragger500]

Once wayne started taking off rocafella was over with and jayz was retired. And YE was technically on his A-game so this was bad take

[@sonoisrael4660]

@@humblebragger500 Yeah but everyone was not banging Wayne like that. Just because he had 4-5 tracks on the radio. Jeezy Yo Gotti and Gucci Mane were all better than Wayne at his peak and they weren't at theirs lol

[@gorgeous64ify]

Oh my god Mal starting with “WEE OHH WEE OHH WEE” had me fucken dying 😂😂😂

[@lordfinesse1225]

Mal got them living room curtain drawstrings on his sweats 🤦🏾‍♂️😂

[@ThaLocOne]

Fam I seen that during JD and Bow wow episode I was like tf him and Rory got going on 😂😂😂😂

[@fatxbull6259]

Dog idk why I laughed as hard as I did

[@paultaylor3841]

Hilarious 😂

[@PardonMyPresence]

Nah nah that's his belly chain it's looser than a mug since he went vegan 😂😂😂

[@lordfinesse1225]

Shout out to y’all 😂😂 thought y’all was gonna leave my hanging

[@thecolormahogany2000]

Understanding more and more why Mal was so quiet on Joe shit 😂😂 he really be having outlandish takes

[@hittz2581]

I thought the same shit since like 3 episodes ago lol super wild takes

[@kjones4900]

Now he trying to take Joe's sauce and jus say wild shit...boy a lame ...n I'm almost 100% he gay

[@hittz2581]

@@kjones4900 idk man lol I just think he was "too cool for school " on JBP... but now he is literally the 2nd mic, he can't really just get away with just saying "that's crazy" and chiming in whenever .

[@jp05598]

Wildly accurate though lol

[@russellsimmons2198]

Brand damaging takes Lmaoo

[@lesegoleso4918]

Mal doing the siren of Mrs. Officer is nastyy 😂😂😭

[@ThaLocOne]

Carter 3 is def a classic I remember at my school dance when Lollipop came on Nd Brianna started dancing on me I was looking for her the next morning embarrassing myself thinking we was together 😂😂😂😂

[@ariesraine4]

The way I hollered when I read this comment 🤣🤣

[@ThaLocOne]

@@ariesraine4 aye chill lmaoo she turned a lil nigga out 😂😂😂ina cafeteria

[@shenellrichardson4936]

😭😭😭😭 naw this took me back

[@Tinfoiltomcat]

Bro had her name still lmao

[@damarimoland1613]

Facts 2008 that was a goat year. Senior Grad then the next day Was my bday and the homegirl bought me that Carter 3 joint. Straight bumpin from front to back. And I wouldn’t start off with Mrs officer, but A Millie and Comfortable, misunderstood, phone home, the joint with Betty Wright all classics

[@ShayBre227]

Rory is hilarious to me, even on the other pod he always was hilarious. I followed them over here because Rory has always been hilarious 😂😂. He so fucking dark yet humorous 😂😂😭

[@W2Tymes]

Rory has definitely been the personality of both pods.

[@Cyberkatt_]

I really hope he does the dark thoughts thing again. Idk how it was received but I thought it was hilarious.

[@Waters..]

People for Rory fucked up. He has ALWAYS been funny and I’m never changing my stance

[@BigOtakuGamerSHAWNY]

"Tell me how you guys broke up first?" "Whats his name" "Your boyfriend not the baby" I'm dead 💀

[@pmd1027]

Just like the baby he was referring to

[@flyjon]

@@pmd1027 damn you beat me to this joke 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@curtisg2727]

Yoooo! That's crazy 🤣😂⚰️

[@lungelobaba9942]

That was crazy 😂😂😂😁

[@quilluntouchableentity2034]

Rory wild af 💀

[@eddiemurray3978]

Haven’t watched the whole episode yet, but that first bar from Mal is wild!!!

[@YoungTooks]

@Corrupted Moor carter 3 a classic easily

[@turnthonkee]

@Corrupted Moor look at Carter III's numbers and tracklist again. I don't even like the whole thing and there's no denying

[@ClayMiAOniTunes]

@Corrupted Moor Carter 3 is indeed a classic album

[@WhatUpDoePhresh]

I just listened to it. It's just ok honestly.

[@muhfkajones]

@@WhatUpDoePhresh but no one asked you

[@pleaseexcusemeimavirgo7126]

This episode started off with straight disrespect! 🤣🤣🤣

[@GottaTGIF]

I swear you can always count on Mal for a “I live in a snowglobe” take.

[@figo007tv]

He’s right though, subjectively. Carter 3 ain’t no classic.

[@fl7978]

He's sniffing the snow at this point. Smh

[@GottaTGIF]

@@figo007tv objectively*

[@figo007tv]

@@GottaTGIF 🎯 . True

[@aatiti2011]

😂😂😂😂

[@quxncy9492]

Lmao Mal obviously never heard Carter 2, literally one of the greatest rap albums ever.

[@impactovernumbers5157]

Bruh people forget most of Carter 3 leaked. The version that came out wasn’t the best version. Charter 2 is easily Wayne best album.

[@StinceVaples]

BRO LITERALLY 😂 He’s tripping.

[@kevinmajette2945]

I revisited Carter 2 last week...legit one of his best albums

[@chadski100]

@@kevinmajette2945 shit is pure fire.

[@brzyho]

No lies Carter 2 and 3 are classics to me. But Carter 2 is definitely my favorite!

[@630zazou]

I L❤VE Rorys sense of humor. Funny, twisted, inappropriately appropriate yet hilarious.

[@KatoOnTheTrack1]

Yeah, he might be the coolest white guy in hip hop podcasting.

[@jeffreyterrell3593]

Mal diffenlty on his NY bias ish, with that Carter 2 take, that was classic

[@thecunninlynguist]

Nowhere near a weezy fan but c3 is a classic and by mal's own definition of classic, it is a classic.

[@christianfontenot4980]

Literally he defined what a classic is & carter 3 is that 😂

[@dankestranch8738]

Mal argues for no reason like his "kardashians arent messy" take

[@mrj5695]

“The Kardashian aren't messy “ Mal NY bias

[@WeTheFaithful]

Good Kid Mad City is a instant classic. Very highly anticipated debut album that lived up to expectations

[@FlipStar26]

SUPERFACTS

[@TripSquad]

Kendrick Good Kid Maad City instant classic for most ppl. It's still in the top Billboard charts and the most sold physical rap album of 2021. 10+ years later 🐐

[@TheDominiqueBallou]

TPAB and DAMN are mid albums imo. TPAB was well perceived due to climate of social injustice but has no replay value. DAMN he was hit chasing... IMO.

[@THEsoulquarian]

Def a classic for me

[@sashennaidoo8892]

Definite classic.

[@MM-mq9xj]

First one I thought of when they brought up instant classics

[@LovethyNeighbour1011]

I was screaming GKMC when they were talking about instant classics

[@B.Phrase06]

Rory angles in his topics or banter is very good podcast talk. He killing it

[@fiknbeyo]

“I don’t think Wayne has a classic album” I thought Ice been tripping with his music takes damn mal 😂😂😂😂

[@demitribell6189]

36:30 “Your boyfriend… not the baby” Rory is going straight to hell 😭😭😭😭

[@doublev2958]

I go back to Carter 3 for comfortable, Mr Carter, got money, Mrs officer, shoot me down lollipop and DEFINITELY let the beat build

[@PapiFrancos]

Mal starting off the pod saying Wayne has no classic album is nasty behavior

[@cruzanassassin]

He is right, tho

[@mrtllove]

i completely agree

[@Bendoingit]

@@cruzanassassin who does have a classic album then?

[@cruzanassassin]

@@Bendoingit Dre...snoop...em has several...jay has several...kanye...50...kendrick...nothing shifted in the culture when Wayne dropped it...it was a REALLY good album and it has classic songs, but its not a classic album...it just dropped when Wayne was in the middle of his run, so all ppl remember was how dominant he was at the time, so they attribute it to the album...but his mixtapes were making more waves than the album was...

[@FlexRogers]

@@cruzanassassin Wayne's R&B influences and melodic singing on Carter 3 shifted the culture for artists like Drake to break out and be accepted, it's a classic for that reason

[@jamaicagarris7943]

I LOVE Demaris!!! Glad y’all added a females touch!!

[@BertoIsGucci]

Mal really put those sweats on and said to himself " Imma kill em wit these".

[@vanhooza]

Them strings disturbing me, need to tuck em

[@jdabo]

🤣🤣🤣

[@4theculturegaming740]

@@vanhooza that'd defeat the purpose

[@thankyou6610]

And did

[@naught330]

Yo I didn’t even notice these until you said that now I can’t unsee it

[@jalizahnicole]

rory really made me go back and listen to the dueces remix & he ain't lie!! 💀

[@dewweed]

Carter 3 is definitely a classic for my generation

[@shugarae1]

A classic spans generations.

[@TheJozuki]

@@shugarae1 it’s a classic

[@joshuaalexander8327]

I'm not even a Wayne fan and I know Carter3 is a classic.

[@IknowMoreThanYou]

nah

[@WeTheFaithful]

For what it did numbers wise yes but Carter 2 is a better "Hip-hop" album

[@muhfkajones]

Carter 2 is a classic and The Carter terribly slept on

[@IknowMoreThanYou]

@@muhfkajones nah, but it's better than 3 fa sho

[@lopassociate]

Thug motivation 101 was an instant classic

[@babufits1584]

Thaaaat's riiiight, haha!...⛄

[@bigken96]

Facts

[@gdelacruzjr]

That was the first one that came to mind when they asked

[@biffskywalker4589]

Nah

[@bigken96]

@@biffskywalker4589 I need whatever you smoking

[@MrShai96]

Carter 3 for sure a classic. Still got songs from it in my rotation today

[@faizondenby196]

Fax

[@Willie_Stark]

Maybe some songs...but you skipping about 65% of the album for sure

[@MrShai96]

@@Willie_Stark Personally I’m not. I have 11 of 16 off the tape I go back to.

[@oostealth]

Wayne ending the roc dynasty is mad funny

[@manny8042]

Mals Tripping over that classic comment. The C3 is a fo sho classic I still go it and jam it HEAVY!

[@thecunninlynguist]

That part was the funniest, cause he was saying a classic is one people go back to, then rory and Damaris say they go back to c3, and he still was trying to dispute it isn't classic

[@icebergdl757]

Mal not rocking with Wayne like that.

[@babufits1584]

It's appropriate that Mal is bugging with Spider-Rors sitting next to him.

[@thecunninlynguist]

@@icebergdl757 neither do I, but you can't deny its a classic and changed the game (for better or worse)

[@kitzburg]

Yeah he was on some BS. Carter 3 has little to to skips

[@rastkosehovic3294]

To Pimp a Butterfly is an instant classic

[@Adj1157]

Let's go baby! Morning off to a good start!

[@Strawberryfearsforever]

Carter 3 is definitely his classic. Mal is tripping. That whole era was classic.

[@Willie_Stark]

Ok so you still playing Carter 3 randomly top to bottom no skips?

[@om3667]

@@Willie_Stark literally was just listening to Carter 3 before this pod dropped

[@2Muchpjp]

I respectfully disagree. I was in high school during that era and even with my nostalgic goggles on I remember it as week. Wayne carried the genre on hus back untill Drake, Kendrick, Cole, Curren$y etc. Could carry the torch.

[@flyjon]

He said it’s a difference between “HIS classic” and “A classic”. I think it’s a classic overall though tbh. Mal is trippin

[@yourboytorres7071]

Carter two was better to me🤷🏾‍♂️

[@DripGawdTV]

Mal said Wayne was a Goat. Then he said Carter 3 was his best Album. Then he said it wasn’t a Classic. Which one is it Mal? 🤣

[@CS-wn2sz]

Weak logic in this question. Wayne can be one of the goats with no classic album considering his ability when he’s at his best, his impact on the culture, and even if mal feels like he doesn’t have a classic album he has undeniably classic mixtapes

[@queenzbred26]

We know he doesn’t make the best takes

[@Enigmajestic1]

All 3 can exist in the same space

[@hansjean-gilles603]

You cant be a GOAT with no classic album. Its just like saying you are a GOAT in basketball with no rings, makes no damn sense

[@12121212293]

All three can be true. You can be fire and have dope music and not have a classic.

[@chadski100]

Carter 3 is 100% a classic. Mal buggin. I think Mal got a lil but hurt when ppl was saying Wayne would smoke Jay in a verzus.

[@TheJozuki]

Yea he don’t fw Wayne fr clearly

[@ballonboy10]

I was watching a jbp moments, and it was mal saying he’s so glad zoovie isn’t a word anymore😂 weirdest shit that’s the name of the episode I’m too high this day off

[@xFarce]

Baader meinhof phenomenon

[@ryanshepard8625]

Rory got different internet than me. All I saw was people talking about the album and Gunna's project. They didn't really listen to Demaris. She said more than 50% of his 'After Hours' sales were pure album sales and he didn't ship any physical products for his album. That's a big reason why its down by more than half.

[@nysutmesuptahamenra474]

Rory just broke down Futures whole life I'm looking at man's completely different now

[@fardawavey]

He kinda cut mal off on that one wanted to hear mals take on bad bitches being subjective

[@dwhite8997]

I love how they just slid Damaris in on B mic!🥰👏🏾👌🏾

[@2LITCR3W]

Mal tweaking C3 is a classic!!! 🔥🔥🔥

[@RoadRunnerENT.]

Fasho

[@Maine_87]

Carter 2 was Wayne best album. C1, 2, and 3 classic imo. Also Good Kid Maad City was an instant classic.

[@ryankrispy]

Damn near in that order too c1 or c2 either or is in 1st damn near a toin coss but c3 is always getting that 3rd slot

[@AGholst502]

Facts bruh. I used to go back and forth on which is better between C1 and C2 but 'The Mobb' is the tie breaker for me. C2, C1, C3....in that order

[@Gcode609]

80s was a very special time for music , hands down...💯🤔🎶

[@raemiller2752]

Baybey.... You ain't never lied.

[@slushie-kun]

Dawn FM is gonna ring off in Kohl's while i'm waiting in the check-out line with mad sweatpants.

[@drewgriffith1808]

How is an album that was heard everywhere and had everyone talking at the time, aged well, and is still in a lot of peoples rotation not a classic Mal? Make it make sense

[@raemiller2752]

Because everyone wasn't talking about it. Just your circle.

[@om3667]

Everyone was talking about it

[@kierrickedmond]

@@raemiller2752 shit sold a million the first week.. real sells, not streaming lol.. the shit is a classic hip hop album. Mal is for sure tripping

[@lamarco18]

It didn't age well. At all.

[@biffskywalker4589]

Eh it’s probably not a classic

[@lxywaste]

Kendrick Damn. and TPAB felt like an instant classic, DAMN. Felt like there wasnt any skips on DAMN.

[@shenellrichardson4936]

I feel that way about Good Kid MAAd city

[@mattaerloyaol]

@@shenellrichardson4936 💯💯💯

[@reggieb5324]

2014 forest hill drive is the same way

[@TheDominiqueBallou]

Boy TPAB and D is not a classic

[@dro9803]

i swear mal needs to apologize about the carter 3 in the next episode

[@budsnvines]

Larry June *been* keeping it P in all his music! Numbers! 🍊🍊🍊

[@bigblunts9802]

Numbers!

[@csh1986]

Good job!

[@krisseanroundtree8209]

🍊🍊🍊

[@zacharymedeiros8045]

Good kid, MAAD city is an instant classic. You could make the argument for TPAB too

[@literallyeuphoria]

The boys have been providing. I’ll happily sit through these ads

[@XantoS771]

I agree on the Future crying for help take. When he said "the way she did me it destroyed me, I kept it real with lil shorty" I knew he was miserable with that life 😂😂

[@Inkie.Apparition]

Mal you think a rapper can be a goat without a classic album? Yall should have a call-in segment bro we need to talk about this..

[@freshflyy1]

Carter 3 is my favorite Wayne album, but Carter 2 is his best album.

[@bengolart9469]

Nobody is talking about The Weeknd's album because his singles were misses and the album just sounds exactly like the singles

[@___sinqobile1373]

Rory said “this is the BEFORE HOURS” and it went over their heads 33:16 😫😂

[@DRDOMINICO]

Crazy they didn’t mention Kendrick in terms of instant classics

[@12121212293]

Good kid madd city is easily as classic, from front to back no skips and flowed so damn perfectly

[@sashennaidoo8892]

I agree that Carter 3 is debatable though I would give it classic status for its impact but Carter 2 is an undeniable classic.

[@Mac_Raymond]

agreed

[@MagzUpBr33zy]

Good kid mad city was an instant classic

[@mybizness247]

I agree with Mal, being the sober one in the club in my twenties was still fun because everyone still danced so I had a good time now being 36 and being the sober one in the club with everybody on their phone I definitely pay more attention to the BS that's going on. 😂

[@flyeagle1751]

Victory lap is definitely a instant classic 💯🏁

[@marclethal3277]

Say that! 🏁

[@churchhide]

L you just saying that cuz he died

[@anatejada1100]

Thank you! All the real hip hop heads, hip hop radio, publications gave it its praise soon as, not when he died, and called it rap album of the year. Can listen to it straight no skips

[@roostatube7258]

Thank you for not doing a Dawn FM review based off of 30sec snippets

[@sarahmathieu6122]

Rory being the gem from a pod with a celebrity and a too cool Harlem dude with Hov ties is the origin story I like to see. Or maybe Rory is just my yt boy spirit animal.

[@Zerrific]

I like the music talk; I am a huge fans of 80s Pop, Funk, and R&B! Those genres in the 80s created some of the best music of the 20th Century.

[@treyday5200]

Carter 2 is a classic

[@flowykjay4656]

Those "One Blood" remix jokes were hilarious.🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@travionpatterson9776]

Carter 1 and 2 classic I don’t skip many songs if any 3 is just good to me

[@marcoervin7324]

Carter 1-2 has no skips.. Hell the Carter 1 interludes were even 🔥

[@jrmop0965]

808s and heart breaks is definitely a classic to me

[@Misterdeeh3000]

Illmatic comes to mind when thinking of classic. Recently I’d say Victory Lap was a classic. And I thought that before the tragedy.

[@tjmaxdon7702]

Victory Lap is the album of the decade

[@christianfontenot4980]

Good Kid, Maad City is the last rap classic to me

[@tjmaxdon7702]

@@christianfontenot4980 top 3 of the decade with my beautiful dark twisted fantasy being the third

[@babufits1584]

@@christianfontenot4980 I got same artist but different album (Damn)

[@churchhide]

Victory lap is NOT a classic it’s barely a mid album people just say that cuz he got killed

[@Joe-xo4qp]

Y’all talked about music and real music conversations for the first 20 minutes! THANK YOU!!! We need more fr lol.

[@r.porter1300]

Mal on one out the gate 😂🤣😂 Tha Carters 1-3 are certified classics

[@f3arnot149]

He was rapping his ass on C4 but everybody sleep on that one

[@r.porter1300]

@@f3arnot149 Mega Man is my favorite track off that one

[@f3arnot149]

@@r.porter1300 hell yea that and president carter

[@r.porter1300]

@@f3arnot149 🔥🔥🔥

[@AGholst502]

@@f3arnot149 rapping like a mf. And it went platinum in one week as well

[@frankalmanzar3492]

The internet isn’t buzzing about the weeknd’s album because the single take my breath away wasn’t successful I think but now people are talking about it because it’s actually a good album. And take my breath away album version is better too. So I think the album is just growing on people.

[@curtisg2727]

"Keep it P" and "Keeping it P" is Old slang on the West Coast. Loved the episode tho. Both of y'all had wild takes!💰🍊😂

[@DesKnotty]

Good Kid MAAD City was an instant classic!

[@geekedstoner4209]

Best pod out right now!! Let's go!!!💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

[@mauricethompson1154]

You can’t call Wayne one of the goats and turn around and say he doesn’t have a classic…. That was a bad take Mal we forgive u 👍🏾..

[@SirStaffG]

ong. like bruh, just admit u bias and more forward . it's mad annoying

[@BigCocoEnergy]

Mal buggin😂😂The audio quality had a drop for a lil bit in this episode, but otherwise good shit

[@Tray4nothin]

GOOD KID MADD CITY WAS AN INSTANT CLASSIC. PUT SOME RESPECT ON THE WEST

[@divineacefrmdafo5708]

C3 definitely classic mal wildin with that take Wayne was talkin his shit on misunderstood

[@dr.strawberry5773]

43:40 mal started screaming outta nowhere. that came from the heart LMAO

[@thapeloyona7817]

The original "A Milli" did in fact have a Cory Gunz verse they removed and that's how he ended up on 6 Foot 7 Foot because of the removal. And "Fuckin' Problem" is more of a song than Monster is so saying the latter is not a posse cut is wrong, Rory.

[@IndigoUchiha26]

Another fire episode 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@BilliondollaJones]

Good kid mad city was a instant classic

[@mjshooter1]

Another 🔥 pod. This is the second time Mal mentions the pistol dance😂 sounds like he fed up

[@ericsmith3782]

Carter 3 to the world. Carter 2 is one of the best albums ever if you a hip hop fan

[@ogmarko4111]

Wayne not having a classic album is crazy

[@marylove482]

They had me rolling🤣🤣 on this pod. Love these guys

[@mrvictor89]

Rory relates to the first episode of the second season of Euphoria

[@PointyJabs]

Feel like To Pimp A Butterfly was recognized as instant classic

[@tippmeriwether5221]

I kinda agree with Mal. I go back to Wayne mixtape songs more than his album cuts. Wayne got classic mixtapes.

[@valquanrush5728]

After the Wayne comment Mal solidified himself as an old head

[@5324man1]

This the one

[@markgray5059]

I was excited about listening this morning. But Mal starting off on some bs wayne is the goat Carter 2 and 3 are classics period. I personally loved Carter 4 the most. (Unpopular opinion). Mal New York bias is gross.

[@JalenPowe9]

Nah carter 4 might be the best carter

[@jamessmith-xl8ls]

Whoever ole girl is. Her voice is something I can listen to all day

[@RatedKwong1]

20 sec in and Mal starts off saying TC3 isnt a classic, if this wasnt R&M, i woulda cut the pod off LOL

[@faizondenby196]

Dead ass ☠️😂😂

[@michelangelooliver2590]

Facts

[@markgray5059]

🎯🎯🎯 I almost cut this shit off so fast.

[@dawildestnigga23]

FRFR

[@5324man1]

Dooooog I’m saying

[@teesauz8195]

Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation now that’s a classic album

[@Enigmajestic1]

Most definitely and Kanye first Album

[@Tr1ppsahoy]

Huge Wayne fan and I think he has a few great albums but classic mixtapes

[@jtgx3]

"What's his name? .... not the baby" lmfaoo

[@civilenggggg]

Mal you cant argue that Harlem World is a classic and not say Carter 3 is

[@christianfontenot4980]

THATS WILDDDDDD 😂😂😂 anybody outside of New York feels like Harlem world is trash, Carter 3 is loved globally, it’s not even an argument honestly it’s just his opinion & I can respect that

[@joanlissa]

"You gotta be player.. at the same time you keeping it pure and pimpin"😂..-Mal... the kicks are 🔥 too..😍

[@wrnr_mn]

To pimp a butterfly was definitely an instant classic