New Ships Devblog - These WILL Get Nerfed

[@Flamuu]

A stealthier Z-52 with better torps, faster speed, harugumo DPM, and short duration smokes? Seems_fine.jpg Twitter: twitter.com/flamuchz Discord: discord.gg/Flamu Stream: www.twitch.tv/flamuu Insta: instagram.com/flamugram/

[@Strato5]

Of course it goes 41kt, how else will it keep up with the submarines? 🤪🤪🤪

[@ugotznuked]

It's half of a Schlieffen lmfao

[@arnepietruszewski9255]

I refuse to believe they would let such an overpowered ship become a german ship. If it was soviet ok that would be expected.

[@Rob.DB.]

I wish Flamu would realize WG is playing him like a fiddle ! Every DevBlog he looks at it on twich &goes nuts ! He is triggered & so are his vans & rightly so the stats on new ships are absolutely ridiculous! Either dog crap or OP as hell it dont matter. Because all the hype,drama,outrage or disbelief it gets the word out on all platforms & people go nuts everywhere! Its simply free advertising through Flamu's outrage plus all uis fans doing the same! WH fired him a year & a half ago & he has been blindly working for free ever since !!! He is very smart but cant see the game being played on his forehead !! Somebody please fill him in on this & let him mull it over. ... either he figures it out as true, or its been the plan from the get go & he not only knows but is cooperating with them & acting his ass off !!! Mic drop !

[@user-jj2on8jy1e]

WG's aggressive marketing and sales techniques amuse me more and more. Buy, buy, buy ... and bye!

[@eze8970]

Gets released, players spend gold/buy gold to convert XP, play for a while, gets nerfed...money extracted, WG job done. Thanks Flamu 🙏🙏

[@NameCannotBeBlank24]

Yeah I can't believe a German ship would be this good. Once in a blue moon event LOL

[@craigalexander966]

Yeh but if you talk about it in game the whales r all like “no they won’t, your being salty” and then they nerf it 😅

[@TheExecutorr]

either that, or they just remove it from stores and never put it on sale again, like that solves anyhting.

[@rowinglove4ever]

you can't buy steel! You must sweat to get it!

[@fanatik2134]

Every Dev Blog with Flamu i need popcorn

[@Choukai_Chan]

I really wish the Z-42 will be good / not nerfed too hard. Kinda want a good German DD at TX. Edit: @Flamu You forgot to check the HMAS Brisbane + new Superships Devblog? Or will they be featured in a second video? ;)

[@skdKitsune]

Will never happen. It's WG's trademark move to make decent looking german ships and then nerf them into the ground before release

[@jonhg92]

nah man, devs hate german ships. specially german destroyers. smolensk made it to live because its russian, this ship will get nerfed simply because its german

[@zarlev9083]

Doing something about Z52 to make it better would be a "better" idea then releasing some busted DD xD and we know that people are gonna buy this DD, and they will nerf it )))

[@flashback0994]

Yea but it will get nerfed hard because its german. I hate to see everytime when they post something like this... they play with the sence of german ship fans.

[@gernhard.reinholdsen]

@@zarlev9083 yeah having Z52 have 10% bigger guns than Daring and then have Daring out-gimmick it at every turn - improved HE pen from outta nowhere and improved AP angles, it's just an insult.

[@stonii8385]

Z-35 also has short smoke and hydro, the only thing holding it back was it's 6km torps, other than that it's a strong boat, so I can only imagine Z-42

[@_TheOgre_]

I stumbled upon a historical video yesterday talking about the Surcouf, a French cruiser submarine armed with a twin 203mm gun and planes…. Then I went down the rabbit hole of M Class British submarines….and I’m just terrified on the path WG is on regarding subs… I was aware of I-400 Japanese subs before reading all of this and basically all of this info together makes me so alarmed for the premium subs we could perhaps get in the future and I just don’t know if I can handle being double cit’d from a submarine emerging on my broadside, sinking beneath after firing his shots, and then crying as his torps finish me off.

[@hardkur]

if game dont get killed by WG we will see hybrid submarine CVs for sure

[@madduckuk]

Rick, your talking about real submarines and getting worried. You cannot comprehend the nonsense they are going to invent for this game.

[@FormulaZR]

25:50 that delivery of "that's...that's fair" is one of the funniest things I've heard in a very long time.

[@hundep2180]

it took 15 seconds to find a meme name for a ship. Flamu is number one in this speedrunning category

[@TheScania1991]

Imagine sailing into a cap in your Shima or something and this Z42 pops up guns blazing 🤯

[@Andi-ex2bk]

And you cant even smoke up against the 6km hydro

[@Choukai_Chan]

@@Andi-ex2bk Well to be fare, Z-52 can do the same, because Shima is quite useless in a gunfight. But I agree, this thing is miles better.

[@gregoryfolsom7882]

@@Choukai_Chan at least you have a couple hundred meters to outspot them and start your turn. Z42 spots you just as you're reacting to even spotting them, and your smoke is now useless, PLUS you can't outrun them before you melt. As currently specced, this thing is a cap contesting monster on par with Ragnar, Småland and Daring.

[@destructorzz7197]

Imagine being dumb enough to try and cap with a shima

[@TheScania1991]

@@destructorzz7197 don't need to tell me, never really did that lol

[@aznfoo]

admiral ushakov is also going to hit live with that armor scheme eh

[@JustSomeGuyWithNoMaidens]

The armor scheme is fine for what the ship is meant to do, which is basically be an unkillable brick (unless there's carriers around in which case go fuck yourself). And it has Kremlin's abysmal guns for 75% of the time until it can use its F key, so I think the ship is fine as far as superships go.

[@danh7411]

Ushakov is fine

[@waffle3632]

This is the first broken German ship I have seen and I want it lol

[@illegalopinions4082]

Your post explains why they release broken ships

[@waffle3632]

@@illegalopinions4082 glad I helped

[@Choukai_Chan]

@@waffle3632 Cheers.

[@JD-kl8hz]

nah before they nerfed it Weimar had Minotaur AP dpm at t7, Agir was a monster(thanks for the nerf Flamu), and Odin was really strong. Then they got hit with nerf hammer. They always make the german ships OP to start.

[@fanatik2134]

I think they will add Repair too because this ship maybe looks to weak

[@Straswa]

Great vid Flamu, about time we got one of the historical Suffren class cruisers. Thanks for the updates.

[@raven_5180]

finally a ship that we can really say yes this is German Made in German quality.

[@TheSaberra]

Is this German haiku?

[@johannesjrgensen440]

“German quality” as if WWII Germany had the resources to facilitate high quality standard production.

[@kerotomas1]

@@johannesjrgensen440 They had until they got bombed in 1943 and 44. For example ships like the Bismarcks, Scharnhorst, Hippers were state of the art, same with the Panther and early Tigers, FW190s, Bf109s until the later G series, their MP40 and MP43 smgs, MG42s etc etc. It’s all gone to crap when the americans and british bombed the crap out of german facilities in 43 and 44. Until that point i would say their production quality was top notch especially comparing to the USSR during the whole war or early war american production quality. Also didn’t help that people doing forced labor in germany were happy sabotaging the goods when they could.

[@Gunni1972]

Well they took the Saying "42 is the answer to everything" a little too far.

[@supravlieg]

So that German DD seems designed to draw me back into the game...

[@Lancista]

_Z-42 is better than Z-52 on paper so be ready to pay with Steel for having such Destroyer in your possesion - A LOT of Steel!!_ _I am happy to see an Actual Existed French Cruiser!! Suffren-class was very much missing for so long!! Washington Naval Treaty Heavy Cruiser is warmly welcome in the game!!_ ^^ _HMAS Brisbane have rare camo colour - similar to the IJN MS-21 and some US Battleships that actually confusing the people where is the actual waterline! Nice one WeeGee!_

[@channelcreatedtoallowmetoc4150]

Of course it can "go live", Flamu........as part of the "WOWS Final Cash-Grab before it closes down" event.

[@BulletMagnet1337]

Uhm... Engine boost on the Z-42 doesn't have "Charges" (The Durex had 3 charges listed)... Infinite charges of speed boost?

[@Lindwurm_Nx]

Random french cruiser outranges warspite, sounds fine

[@Lancista]

_"Random French Cruiser"?_ O.o _MNF Dupleix is an Suffren-class Heavy Cruiser - one of the best examples builded uppon Washington Naval Treaty Restrictions! USS Pensacola and IJN Myoko are her direct foreign counterparts!_

[@skdKitsune]

@@Lancista Yeah, random french cruiser?

[@Lancista]

@@skdKitsune_Yeah! Yamato is just another Random Battleship..._ 🤦‍♂️

[@Axel23410]

You know, Warspite was already outranged by both Nurnberg and Budyonny before Dupleix.

[@skdKitsune]

@@Lancista So what exactly did the Durex do? Anything noteworthy? Did it see some huge military success? Was it a state-of-the-art design, that greatly influenced shipbuilding ever after? Did it achieve a great gunnery feat like the Scharnhorst? Did it take an excessive pounding before sinking against a far superior enemy force? No? Yeah, random ASS frog cruiser

[@sirnigel4332]

As someone who has grinned all the way to kitakaze and is almost at harugomo, I am pretty pissed it’s just gonna get powercrept by a pretty much completely made up ship that’s a clone but better

[@BdischarY]

Honestly, Kita is way better than the harugumo kek

[@cemborembo]

harugumo is already a bit powercrept and actually pretty hard to play. i like to think it's a more of a smolensk with bad ballistics because its so clumsy and big. kitakaze is the gem.

[@Con9359]

This is still Wargaming, the last time I saw a WG employee ingame, he stood still in his vallejo and got farmed by a kita from 3km away, didnt notice it until he was on 700hp. They will add it anyway, they never care if something is balanced or not, aslong as they can shove it into the armory for $100 .

[@adubs365]

I think in need a Duplex to protect me from the Z-52 oh good lord he coming 😂

[@k.b.4057]

Wait, considering these are only 105 mm guns... does it mean it will easily arm its AP on 19 mm plating?

[@yourmamom]

On Z-42, I was actually wondering when this would happen. For a long time I was expecting a random german destroyer premium to get battleship secondaries as it's main guns. They could probably balance it by just giving Z-42 regular 1/6th pen and some scuffed Italian torps.

[@yourmamom]

​@@elmateo77 If they nerf the pen than it will be like old Harugumo or Daring which needed IFHE to pen other destroyers. Thus stealing captain points for a designated build and ruining the performance against other ships. There's a reason why they gave Haru/Daring increased pen to function without it. But Z-42 would function alright like that as a meme ship because it has the hydro range. As long as they don't give it those stupidly strong torpedoes that other german DDs wish they had.

[@philippos5547]

So sticky situations with Durex?

[@bob-qb9gw]

did the def that decidet tose z 42 stats by rolling dice

[@highping100]

Let's guess: Is Z-42 gonna in RB, or is it gonna in bundle that more expensive than 3A games

[@rowinglove4ever]

They said it's going to be steel

[@rowinglove4ever]

Any idea about the price of z42 for steel?

[@jhaller90]

5.8 conceal you can outspot most DDs and with gunther lutjens you can activate the spot heal talent everyday

[@Sober_Alcoholic]

wheres the swimming meme of the kids struggling to swim. most US/IJN cruisers are the skeleton at the bottom.

[@Amaotohuo]

Z-42 should be tier XI. It would fit

[@r.is.c9402]

For real I thought it was then I saw it was X and I got scared

[@grim8420000]

French Cruiser at tier 6 has to be that fast. How else is it going to run away from subs! LOL

[@MH-ip5sm]

When the Dev Blog says that the stats are taking the best Modules in consideration, doesn't that mean that the concealment module is already calculated? Or how does that work?

[@Flamuu]

Modules are the stuff you unlock in the tech tree when you level a ship. Concealment, rudder, reload etc is called upgrades.

[@Choukai_Chan]

@@Flamuu Kinda confusing to be fair. WG doesn't seem to language-check these bad boys.

[@MH-ip5sm]

@@Flamuu Thought so but wasn't sure. Thanks man and keep up the good work! Greetings from Switzerland

[@drmajalis1583]

Ok I havent played serious wows in awhile but how the hell does Dupleix have a longer firing range then WARSPITE

[@hardkur]

tier 6 clan battles incomming

[@donaldfarquar]

Can't believe Flamu didn't know durex were actually condoms, he even missed the strong protection joke. Silly Flamu.

[@colmcorbec7031]

Ah yes. Our weekly weegee dev lootbox BS podcast!

[@angelapolinar5343]

Remember when Zed-42 wasn't the trashy ship that you just use to farm hits in Co-Op? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[@theatlantafisherman6913]

That DD will go into the game as-is and go for steel so only the best players and cheaters will get it.

[@bias9440]

cheaters? dont forget whales like myself

[@NCISCherno]

Z-52 is already my favorite DD at TX, and that thing just does everything it does, better. Uh, yes please?

[@BasJon]

Hm I want the Z42 I love my german DDs, what do we think it will be steel or sucky Res Bur

[@ジョン·スペクター]

Stealth hydro? We've been doing that in WoWs Legends with the Loyang lol

[@steeltrap3800]

I think the devs were drunk for a change and they thought the page they were looking at in the reference book "Hardware of WW2" was titled "Z-42". It was in fact "MG-42". Explains everything. 🤣

[@FinlayDaG33k]

>WG when they say French cruiser has "mediocre concealment": "Not good but not bad". >WG when they say Soviet submarine has "mediocre concealment": Absolutely fucking ridiculously good.

[@SallinKari]

Not going to lie, of all the things Wargaming has done, the Z-42 is the closest to bringing me back to the game, because I really love the german DDs... and miss when they were new. So much fun back then.

[@Sneaky_69]

"German" and "good ship" doesint belong in the same sentence KEKW

[@ExSpoonman]

Have you even played the game?

[@skdKitsune]

@@ExSpoonman Obviously he has, he knows that every german ship is dogshit lol

[@ExSpoonman]

@@skdKitsune T-61, Mainz, Schlieffen, Immelman... Obviously he just fuckin sucks at the game then, because there are 4 ships that dominate their tiers when in the hands of someone who isn't cognitively handicapped.

[@leisureshoot]

That's it, I've reached a tipping point. It happened in WoTs with the super TDs and the Formula 1 light tanks. I can't take it anymore. I have been playing since alpha, never let my premium laps, bought a couple gold ships every year, plus doubloons. I suspect they see the game as dying and there is an all out rush to milk it for every cent possible before they turn off the servers in a couple years. Sad.

[@CMDRFandragon]

sizeable hit point pool but a vulnerable citadel. Or, in plain speak, this ship is made out of butter.

[@2fat4airborne44]

Whats next - Off Screen V2 Rockets? Rods from god - satelite weapon? beaming ships over the map with scotty as a captain?

[@JbZeta]

Z-42 is part of a new WG initiative to add more alternative ways to interact with submarines - shit on as many ships as possible before the submarine player can find the buttons to shotgun you back to port

[@jaqenhghar9758]

Z-42: no improved pen angles = under powered^^

[@gilileo8732]

Flamu: no f****** way... WG: hold my beer... Kappa

[@AdalbertSchneider_]

20:53 somebody needs to clip this sentence, with some time it will be legendary 😎 Cause yeah, this is THE BIGGEST COMBINATION OF COMPRESSED BULLSHIT (also) I have ever seen.

[@saltefan5925]

"Stealth radar isn't okay" - WG devs who had their Nevsky and Petro concealment nerfed: what about stealth hydro? The less counterplay, the better, right?

[@Axel23410]

Dupleix has a 89k HE dpm, that's litteraly the 2nd lowest at tier VI behind Graf spee. Just as a comparison, La galissoniere, the tech tree french cruiser at the same tier has 132k HE dpm and she also comes with both a speed boost and a main battery reload booster. This ship doesnt look OP tbh, maybe the range or the hp are a bit overtuned but you gotta give her something to compensate this dreadful DPM.

[@NachtStern-u]

Come on! Destroyers in balance, and this one too) I will definitely try to take this machine for the destruction of all living things 😁👍

[@sssveden]

Love when new t6 HEAVY cruiser has better speed, concealment and range than HIGH range and concealment japanese LIGHT cruiser.... Wegee hates japanese (and not premium ships in general)

[@joseg9372]

I like how it has better torps then Farragut and smashes Pensacola 😂

[@Myomer104]

Based on her historical armor, her citadel protection is two 60mm belts.

[@Myomer104]

And I'm referring to Dupleix.

[@Artem_Shepelev]

Dupleix is pretty much La Gallisoniere with Algerie guns and more HP. Strong but I don't think it's anywhere close to being OP. Z-42 though, oh boy. As if Harugumo is not toxic enough

[@willhagen9456]

In the words of Flolo "Fun is cancelled, just like a German ship in development", so therefore this will be nerfed to hell and back

[@taramallison]

41+ knot WWII destroyers...historical accuracy much?? ***eye roll***

[@kimmikxgaming5010]

Kamikazi on Console has 4.7km concealment what are they smokin I want some

[@jdm5497]

I think it will be "misscomunication" and suddenly it gonna become premium t11 destroyer

[@BloodHawk31]

Well, smolensk is in the game, maybe this will happen...

[@Swarm509]

While I hope German Z-42 will be better balanced but it following the trend the devs seem to have for high tier (10/11) of just power creeping everything else with each premium/new ship released. They know this ship will make money and bring back players. If anyone wants to be "meta" they will need to get this for ranked/clan battles.

[@jwolf4948]

Z-42 is a Japanese built DD for the Kreigsmarine.

[@impartingsea429]

we have smaland, ragnar, sherman, etc., so I wont be complaining if germany gets their own op dd. lets evenly spread this powercreep pretty please.

[@cemborembo]

Because of the low caliber, the Z-42 AP will arm on 19mm as well, like Daring and Harugumo. Z-42 is gonna clap DDs for 5-7k a salvo if they show broadside at close range. Hahaha.

[@matko350]

Looks like Z was made on some pot smoking session in their office xD Mix of Haru, Daring and Z-52. Tbh it is not the worst thing we would have in game so and yes I would like to helm it. And 90 percent of durex players won't cross more then 2 lines from spawn like Makarovs or things like that. Just being pain in the rear end and you will not be able to get rid of them. Worse then hemorrhoids.

[@zarlev9083]

Z 52 crying in the corner while being send to irrelevancy.... thanks weegee xD

[@CORV3TT33]

Idk, if this DD goes live, in this state ill probably grab it, id happily have this be a bit too powerful than yet more broken subs.

[@skcdav410]

"There is no ****ing way a 7.2km base conceal with Harugumo dpm and short burst smoke makes it to live" **turns around to see most of the CVs, Smolensk and other aberrations that are into the game** reeeeeeaaaaally....... no way......

[@rowinglove4ever]

I play mostly dd in this game nowadays! So I can get away from subs , cvs I play mostly kleber - Groningen - kitakaze! Z42 will be my first steel ship and I also wait for the super kleber t11! Somehow we must deal the old broken dds, like Smaland

[@Crabawizky]

If i didnt already know it was a t6 I would say it was at least a t9

[@Thomas-lq1jw]

Small HP-pool? Well, considering those minor damage sub torps, that’s not a lot of health 😉

[@shadowfox8748]

They been making subs so much recently they forgot to make “historical accuracy” back in the ships

[@ME262MKI]

Is low HP pool compared to other German DDs

[@MrHydenSeek]

Oh their definately dented enough. SUBMARINES

[@thepiratemongoose8965]

Re: the Z-42 - doesn't matter, will still get devstruck by CVs and subs

[@boansy1]

That's total OP god tier filth. What's the odds of that🙄

[@CoL_Drake]

i like how wargaming is in 0.11.11 not even in 1.0 so we still in beta ? xD

[@alaxandergw3245]

Im guessing Z42 is gonna have a citadel to offset all that awesomeness then.

[@vasiliyt8600]

I bet this Z-42 will be a the next "reward ship" for the coming Christmas grind for the super whales. 🤑💸💳

[@rowinglove4ever]

Steel ship

[@Rolkatsuki]

Z-42: the abonimation created when Haragumo, Z-52 & a Shima had a threesome.

[@EgyptOverseerbb]

De Grasse cries in the corner with no MBR or gimmicks...

[@egillis214]

Leave it the way it is... about time DD had a fight back against CA and BB buffs, CV spotting and radars everywhere.

[@icbluscrn]

“The thing the French do adding letters and not pronouncing them” meanwhile flamu adds “ed “ to the Z 42 .

[@clovisursa497]

Thats because Europeans have a weird obsession with blowing the British when speaking English lmaoo.

[@fanis1414]

He's not adding them, the americans are removing them.

[@Sathzur]

He's European, which means he doesn't drop letters like Americans do

[@jabaited]

Werhboo finally get a good DD

[@Axel23410]

ZF-6 is a great DD (ironically enough it's a captured french hull)

[@balli7836]

They do this deliberately, especially with german ships. They put them in with hilarious stats, so more people buy them and then they nerf the crap out of them.

[@tomsmithie3917]

German Quality means it falls to pieces the day the warranty runs out.

[@김형섭-b9t]

Thats gonna be the german superdestroyer lol

[@j.n.572]

The Dupliex is pretty much has tier 8 stats at tier 6.

[@Axel23410]

89k HE dpm is definitely not a tier 8 stat. It's not even a tier 6 stat but more a tier 5 or 4. La galissoniere has litteraly the exact same toolkit (MBRB+hydro+15% speed bbost) at tier 6 except she has 132k HE DPM Would be great if people looked at the greater picture before overreacting.

[@j.n.572]

@@Axel23410 Prince Eugen only has 92k HE DPM without MBRB.

[@danh7411]

@@j.n.572 Eugen has 51mm HE pen, plus she's shit so

[@Axel23410]

@@j.n.572 just because she has comparable DPM to one of the worse damage output at tier VIII doesnt mean she has "Tier VIII stats". You're nitpicking. I can also do that: Exeter at tier V has 68k HE DPM, thats as much as Cherbourg, so Exeter has tier VIII Stats! Please WG nerf! See? again, you have to look at ther greater picture. Sure Eugen has 92k HE DPM.... Except she has a backed in IFHE which allows her to pen up to 51mm of plating and her AP DPM isnt bad. She also has a heal which is huge for a tier VIII cruiser.

[@j.n.572]

La Glass has 152mm guns, so not really a great compare as light cruisers generally have higher DPM than heavy cruisers. For example, Cleveland has 243k HE DPM vs 126-151K for all the American tier 8 heavy cruisers. San Diego, with its 127mm guns, has 274k SAP DPM. Dupliex would be a bad tier 8 as she exists, but only really needs about 4k HP and a 2-2.5 sec reload buff to be a viable tier 8. She needs a lot of balancing to be a not massively overpowered tier 6. Compare Dupliex to Pensa, Devonshire, London, or Aoba and watch them all cry. Dupiex vs Martel is really not all that far off. Martel has .7 km better range and much better dpm (137.5k HE), but 1.2 km worse detectability. Martel is .5 knots faster. Martel only has 38k HP vs 34.9k for Dupliex. Martel has .3 sec worse rudder shift but 10m better turning radius. Torps are identical for range, reload, damage, and compliment. So really not significant differences that could not easily be made up by tweaking a few stats.

[@pyalot]

Ah the good-ol WG bait&switch.

[@CoL_Drake]

well good its for guns because Z means its a gunboat and T its a torpedoboat xD

[@Omegawerewolfx]

I really hope WG fcks up and puts THAT DD in the game. (I'm a DD main)

[@BdischarY]

WG : we have created the ultimate dd

[@Callidous]

Consider this my goodbye-message to the game (I assume it's pointless to post one on the forums). I've previously uninstalled it, but in those previous cases I've always had the intention to check in back later. Not this time. Last year I already made the decision to stop spending money on the game and lately I've basically been logging in only for the reward and back out again. At some point I had to ask myself the question, what exactly it is that I'm waiting for. The things that I don't like are never going to go away, so what's the point in waiting for it. Probably going to still watch it from time to time, to enjoy the suffering of others, but I'm not going to subject myself to it anymore.

[@lubossoltes321]

Hmm ... since the model is final and they cannot delete a turret, I bet the Z-42 will end with 6.2km concealment and something like 4sec gun reload ...

[@josynaemikohler6572]

That is literally an asset recycling though. So minimal effort for WG to make a Tier 10 premium. It is Z35/Z 44 hull with some high tier 105mm AA turrets.

[@Myomer104]

Z-42 will receive its nerf when it casually guns down a sub or carrier.