New Steam Controller Deep Dive - Weight, Gyro Fix(?), and More

[@NoxNyctores427]

Walt screaming in a car: NO LANDEN, NO, DON'T USE GYRO TO JOYSTICK, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@LandenL]

😂 I've made a big mistake.

[@WeeGeeAS]

Oh no! He can’t hear us! He has his Sony WH-1000X5 wireless earbuds in! Oh the humanity

[@Berengal]

The way you're using the gyro isn't how it's meant to be used. It doesn't react to moving the controller, but to tilting and rotating it, like a steering wheel but in all three rotations... It's a bit of an issue with gyro, people new to gyro are split about 50/50 on which one is intuitive, some people naturally want to tilt the controller while others naturally want to move it around. Gyro to joystick is also very different from gyro to mouse. It's only meant to be used with games that don't allow simultaneous mouse and controller inputs (you either have to map gyro to joystick or the stick, triggers and buttons to keyboard keys) and it has lots of issues like contending with maximum stick deflection, built-in stick acceleration and added input delay. I don't know why gyro to mouse didn't show up this time but did in the previous video, but Valve have been working on a new gyro to mouse mode to replace their old one, so which one shows up depends on if you're in the steam beta program or not... As you can probably guess from all the settings, gyro input isn't as explored as other types of input and there's no fixed consensus on the best defaults yet, so you just get all the settings available to you.

[@PanoptesDreams]

People that don't understand gyroscopes are the ones that wave it around like a wand.

[@LandenL]

I need to work on my gyro tech. My muscle memory probably isn't there yet. But I agree, Gyro to joystick seems like trash. And yeah, gyro settings are scary 😨

[@InterstellarLord]

@@LandenL At first I thought the same, but Steam has so many possibilities, work on it and watch videos, if you get to understand the possibilities, it is very good, also gyro to mouse is good.

[@LandenL]

My movements are a little exaggerated for filming.

[@12me91]

How are people already getting this where y'all buying it

[@Moskeeto]

Thanks for the additional gyro tests! It answered a lot of my questions. Pro tip from a gyro user: you should avoid joystick emulation as much as possible. Unfortunately, Bethesda RPGs all lock input to controller so joystick was pretty much the only option for FNV. Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal are much better games for testing gyro (especially gyro to mouse). Another tip: for steady aim, we tend to rest the controller on our laps. Also, aiming isn't by moving the controller in space. It's more about rotation. Imagine its mounted like a turret and you're aiming it around a pivot point. Kinda like that carnival game where you squirt water into a clown's mouth lol.

[@InterstellarLord]

I dont know what you have gotten answered since he is using gyro wrong. Gyro is not waving the controller in the air (maintaining it basically pointing in the same direction), Gyro is tilting, rotating, yaw-ing and pitching.

[@LandenL]

"Kinda like that carnival game where you squirt water into a clown's mouth lol" Made me lol ty. I didn't realize how big the gyro controller community was.

[@RetroHellspawn]

@@LandenL We're not a huge group, but we're definitely dedicated. Admittedly, my skill on kb&m as well as standard controllers has dipped quite a bit in the last decade thanks to the Steam Controller getting me stuck in its ecosystem. It's comfy, yet enough versatile for shooters in a way that can still work on a competitive level if trained for it. Some good resources for learning about gyro and its community are: -Nerrel (probably my fav) -RambleCan (formerly RambleTan, formerly Existential Egg, been probably the most consistent SC creator) -TekGeekStar I made a few videos for the Steam Controller myself, but they're not very good. They're from when I was still trying to find my identity and passion. I started with tutorials, and I thought, "the Steam Controller has kind of a hole in the market for videos about it... And I'm absolutely in love with this controller, so why not?" My review has been outdated for a long time (the software and API has come a LONG way in the past decade, some changes for the better, some changes not so much.) I've been contemplating making an updated version but also feel like it's unnecessary because Nerrel covered most of the points I would cover, from how satisfying it feels to how wide the range of use is, to what I want Valve to fix.

[@RetroHellspawn]

I know it's not *quite* a decade old, but it's just about there. Just over a year from now. 💀

[@caleasthetic]

it is not hte only option. you can remap the controller to keyboard keys to get gyro as mouse. also theire is one controller that makes joystick gyor great. the xim nexus. it has convigs for alot of games. the convig learns the game mechanics and then aplies filters to the aim curve to make it linear, it also mitigates the deadzones that each game has (Every game has different setting). the only thing the xim nexus cant change is the limited turn speed of the analog camera. if you turn the controller faster then the maximum turn speed the camera will slow down. so mouse gyro is prefered when available.

[@thatzaliasguy]

Press all the way, but squeeze the trigger. The analogue sensitivity is based on *PRESSURE* sensitivity. It's based on how hard you squeeze it after the digital button (reverse dual-stage). Read the dang manual lol, it's all in the brochure that comes with the controller.

[@bozydarswizepa5275]

The way gyro behaves on cable is how it should be. I have tested this, the reason it's bad wireless is the steam deck itself. Gyro is actually unusable on deck's internal Bluetooth, it seems a tiny bit better on extremal bluetooth adapter connected to a dock but is only really usable wired currently. Hopefully a steam deck update will fix this, or perhaps a hori firmware update if that's a thing. On PC the gyro is the same wired and wireless.

[@LandenL]

It's too bad the Steam Deck bluetooth isn't good enough. Seems like an oversight. But maybe the OLED model works better? But if the controller works fine on PC like you said, I think it will be a decent little controller. Triggers are still garbage imo.

[@didjidks]

@@LandenL Deck OLED has better bluetooth chip and extra antenna just for bluetooth, so probably should be better. Wake-on-bluetooth also works only on OLED, when you tried it in your previous video

[@cacaulaymulkin7724]

A cable with gyro destroys the whole point of gyro though lol

[@onimus93]

the bluetooth antenna on the lcd steam deck is in the bottom right behind the screen. So docks will interrupt the signal more.

[@katsuLucas]

glad to hear that since i wanna buy it to use on pc, but at the same time sad cuz i intend to also buy a steam deck soon lmao

[@banyanyas839]

that is the most interesting triggers i've seen in all of controller, bravo to Hori and steam willing to try new interesting stuff

[@ErikChendoTegon]

6:54 The accelerometer sensitivity increased there possibly not because of the cable, but because of the game that uses high mouse sensitivity in portal 2

[@ErikChendoTegon]

7:32 As expected, it was the previous game that had very low mouse sensitivity.

[@Jason-wr1jc]

Thanks for the update, super helpful to know the weight and that the issue was a BT one. Someone told me it's actually a SteamDeck BT issue, PC BT doesnt stutter apparently. The joystick gyro you used is not usually recommended unless theres no other option as it's limited on fast movements. Also the roll contribution should be set to 0, i thought that was default sorry. In terms of how you are using the gyro, a couple tips, the local space i told you to set, that is for twisting the controller right and left, the way you were moving the controller you would probably benefit more from either world space or laser space. Not asking for another update, just in case you wanted to try gyro to actually play a game, Hori controller or Steam Deck. This is one of the challenges with gyro, it has a barrier to entry, the options are needed, but its overwhelming for new people to look at and default options are not the best for new people. Appreciate the update 👍

[@WeeGeeAS]

I subscribed, and I think your review has tempered my expectations

[@LandenL]

Thanks for the sub!

[@kinginthenaught]

Thought it was a real steam controller... It's not

[@LandenL]

sry, a little clickbaity. But this is technically the only controller on the market licensed by Steam. I wish Valve would make a proper 1st party controller.

[@paulkelly4711]

​@LandenL The original Steam controller is great. Just took some getting used to. I wish I'd bought a few more of them when they were selling them cheap. If they release another one, I'll buy it for sure.

[@digitaldonovin1189]

It is the only controller using SteamInput by default. Xbox uses Xinput and Playstation uses DirectInput. Both Xinput and DirectInput use steam to translate to Steam Input for Steam games. Obviously, you dont have to translate and I believe there is a setting to turn off the steaminput but you wont be able to use any of the crazy macros and steam controller settings without it. Think steamdeck controls but on a normal controller. (Without Touchpads)

[@renn6699]

The US one is Steam OS branded. So it is. Sorry bub. Cry some more.

[@Leo08x]

For Gyro there are explanations in KZbin on how to use it, I have one sort of for Overwatch 2, but mine sucks so instead just look at Nerrel's guide on gyro.

[@KanameYuuki]

Thank you for the videos, I was looking forward to the control, that bt + gyro situation looks rough because it seemed perfect with cable, also as many have said with gyro you want it to emulate a cursor, many games have awful gyro implementation because they emulate joysticks.

[@SweetTodd]

Damn I was really betting on better triggers for racing games.

[@LandenL]

If you want to place racing games, DO NOT buy this controller. The triggers are really bad.

[@NinjaAnonim]

Thanks for the tests :)

[@LandenL]

No problem 🫡

[@aboveaveragebayleaf9216]

For gyro specifically, short travel is actually a good thing. It means you move less before shooting and throws your aim off less.

[@LandenL]

Don't some gyro players use high sense? I watch the TF2 controller video by Solarlight and he seems to like high sense. I think.

[@aboveaveragebayleaf9216]

@LandenL yeah, so the standard measurement of sensitivity for gyro is rws(real world sensitivity) which is the multiplier added to the actual angle you turn the controller. I would recommend starting with a rws of 4, so 45°=180° in game. Then put the vertical sensitivity scale at 50%. This will give you good range of motion, but that vertical sensitivity reduction will help with steadiness. People do absolutely use higher sensitivities though. I think up to something like rws 20. A lot of people also use acceleration so it gives them a more slow and steady sensitivity for the slow precision aiming, but they also get the wide range of motion for the high sensitivity. There's a channel call Bjgobbledix that plays cod and other popular shooters on ps5 with acceleration. He pretty much never uses the right stick anymore. For a newcomer, you might want to try gyro activation when you touch the capacitive right stick. To me it transfers pretty smoothly as if you are setting a mouse down and lifting it up to reset. Try not to fight the gyro with the right stick, use it as the primary aiming method and use the stick just for general looking around.

[@AwkwaBear]

I think you’re gonna get roasted for the way you tested gyro but thank you so much for attempting to try it out as best you can. I recently just got into gyro a bunch so I have a lot of questions about it as well. I just ordered one now on eBay cause I am curious since this is basically the only other controller to support capacitive sticks for a gyro on/off input. I wanna run some benchmarks to see what the polling rate is as well. Great vid thanks for putting some info out right away

[@LandenL]

Thank you sharing! There seems to be a secret society of gyro gamers that I was unaware of lol. You are right, someone with more gyro knowledge needs to make a better review of this controller.

[@AwkwaBear]

@@LandenL yeah I’ve heard evangelists from the church of gyro sing its praises for a while and I thought it was just a gimmick. I follow a KZbin channel where the guy uses gyro on steam deck. I hated playing shooters on deck cause I usually prefer mouse and keyboard. My mind changed when I saw a video of a guy wrecking a mouse and keyboard using gyro playing in a counterstrike 1v1. I decided I would take the plunge and watch a bunch of tutorials and learn it by playing Selaco on admiral difficulty. After the 2-3 hours it takes to get used to, there is no going back. Gyro is dramatically better for shooting once you stop fighting it and take the time to learn it. It’s easy to learn too cause you still can use the stick for large movements then use the gyro for headshot adjustments. It’s much closer to mouse and keyboard level aim that I thought. I highly recommend you take a sip of the gyro koolaid

[@tonkahanah5890]

gyro to joystick almost never works right and I pretty much never use it in anything. Gyro to mouse is really the only setting worth using 99% of the time. you're also moving it in a weird way. it really works better with smaller tilting movements, primarily tilting up and down. analog sticks are fine for the horizontal movement but they struggle with the vertical movements. Its why so many console shooters redesigned everything to remove a lot of verticality in their map/game play design. The gyro help compensate for this by making the up and down movements very fluid. Nintendo has been trying to sell this idea to their users for years now but some of their games hard restrict the gyro movement to only up and down. Gyro usage via the steam controller settings is a bit more free so when shifting to up and down you also move a little left and right so it doesnt feel so locked and restricted but you wouldnt usually use left and right heavily for large movements.

[@GreenLeefMusic]

For some reason I seem to have the best results from Gyro as Joysfick on my handheld PCs, tho it may be coincidental. Both my Steam Deck and ROG Ally have had pretty good Gyro as joystick, but I had noticeably worse results when using my DualSense for gyro as joystick. I also should probably specify that I managed my ROG Ally gyro via Armoury Crate (not Steam Input) but Steam Deck & Dualsense were via Steam Input I wonder if the wider layout plays a role in making Gyro as Joystick better on handheld PCs? Gyro as mouse does seem to be much more consistent in working more evenly with all 3 controllers just as you excellently explained. I would like to see how this Hori Steam controller gyro compares to the dualsense as it seems to be similar to my dualsense experience via gyro as a joystick specifically.

[@ErikChendoTegon]

5:44 you can increase the sensitivity of the accelerometer try increasing it.

[@mintyemerald3935]

You can probably adjust the deadzone of the triggers

[@LandenL]

The problem is that there is no travel distance. The feedback just isn't there.

[@mintyemerald3935]

@LandenL right I get that but at the very least you could turn down the dead zone so it's a little more precise

[@maratnugmanov]

Asked to test gyro to mouse. Tests gyro to joystick instead, complains about stick axial deadzones 😁 Thanks for the video 👍 This is why people buy things like Xim Matrix - this thing corrects all of it. For example if a game has forced deadzone of 20% and you are moving 1% then Xim translates it to 21%. Same with axial deadzones that will ignore slight vertical movements when you move mostly horizontally - Xim just adds the threshold needed for the exact small movement. So most people buy these to use their mouse and benefit from aim assists. Honestly Fallout 4 is not the worst experience with raw gyro to stick. Another problem would be the low cap of turn speed because you can only go as fast as the stick itself unlike the mouse that no matter how low your sensitivity is, as long as you have a big enough desk to slide you can move it at absurdly gast speeds, you just need to travel more. Some games even add acceleration to the input so the longer you hold a stick in a specific position the faster it goes. This is just cringe.

[@LandenL]

Yeah, showing gyro to stick as the first clip was a mistake 😭. I've never heard of the xim matrix before. Seems like a magic black box for controller compatibility. I don't think I am ready to dive into that niche... Yet. But I will definitely try to use gyro more (with proper settings)

[@maratnugmanov]

@@LandenL just keep in mind that when emulating stick all kind of developer tweaks may apply. In the best case scenario like say The Finals or Fortnite you can set stick deadzone to 0, axial deadzones x/y to 0, apply linear acceleration curve etc. But it's very rare.

[@pauligoa4053]

Thank you for testing tf2, I’ve been looking for this controller since it has touch sensitive gyro controls and Xbox button layout but looking at your footage with wireless input… yeah that lag is a dealbreaker for me. Hope they patch it up and maybe I’ll consider buying one. Thanks for the video though, very helpful.

[@LandenL]

Thanks for watching!

[@CandarianGaming]

I have the controller and the gyro functions the same as a playstation controller does on PC. I'm going to assume it's the settings he has in steam input for his gyro that's making it bad.

[@yorkshireplumbing]

You can set the actuation point of triggers in Steam settings too, so you should be able to tune them. Switching them from analogue to digital triggers with the switch on the back is pretty cool though. I thought this controller was completely pointless from your first video, but looks like it has some potential if you don't mind digging into the settings! Yeah, wireless gyro looks.. ummm. There's probably a lot about this controller tied up in Steam input settings to get the most out of it, just like the original Steam controller, which is a love/hate thing.

[@LandenL]

Sadly, I feel the triggers travel is so short and mushy that Steam settings can't save it. But I agree, I might have been too harsh on it in the first video. They have some potential. "Yeah, wireless gyro looks.. ummm" - that made me lol. Ty for sharing your thoughts.

[@thetargos]

The gyro issue is present in the Steam Controller, as well when using Bluetooth, not present with the dongle or wired. The Dual Shock 4 and Dual Sense also have differences with the gyro wired Vs wireless, alas much better than the SC in BT, seems these controllers may be suffering from the same issue, without a dedicated RF dongle... seems BT's limited bandwidth plays against this feature.

[@LandenL]

The other annoying thing about the bluetooth is that only the OLED Steam Deck can do wake on Bluetooth. The OG Steam Deck bluetooth can't do it without a dongle or something. I wasn't able to get it to work with the hori dongle, but it might be possible.

[@severinevans346]

I want one of these controllers for the native Steam input functionality gyro and touch capacitive joysticks but I think it's being released in Japan only which I'm sure you can import it but that's probably going to be expensive though.

[@LandenL]

IDK if they will ship internationally but anything is possible. Some people mentioned them being on ebay, but I would NOT spend more than $60 USD on this controller. Just buy a PS4/PS5 controller instead.

[@apolopena]

Great follow up I'm really interested in this controller of Gyro works and it looks like it does gyro to Mouse will probably work wirelessly

[@LandenL]

If you use the cable, gyro works no problem. Bluetooth has a small amount of lag/stutter. I haven't tested with the dongle. But I assume the dongle is just a USB to bluetooth dongle. The controller didn't auto connect when I tried using the dongle.

[@apolopena]

Can you try bluetooth on a PC rather than steam deck? I have had lag on the steamdeck with bluetooth before.

[@brayanantoniolesprongarza4217]

Use "gyro as joystick" then select the right joystick, remeber not to select "gyro to joystick (beta)" Now for mouse: select "use gyroscope as mouse (beta)" that worked for my nintendo switch pro controller and joycons.

[@tonkahanah5890]

those triggers seem better to me than xbox or ps5 triggers. having a lot of travel on a controller intended for a lot of PC games ends up being a pain, especially if you're using gyro a lot. Driving games seem to be the primary reason any one really wants/needs analog triggers. One of the reasons I typically use the bumper buttons on ps4/5 controller for things like primary fire in a first person shooter is to avoid the analog nature and all the extra travel of the triggers. The extra travel on the triggers tends to result in additional unwanted gyro movement. This was something valve found to be the case and even has a setting in the software for gyro dampening when pressing the triggers. I find this software too restrictive to serve its purpose though so I dont use it and just choose to set the bumper to primary fire than the trigger. I still miss the original steam controllers bumpers and triggers, they were the the best of both worlds, travel and clicking.

[@LandenL]

I like controllers that have physical locks on the triggers for FPS games. Then you can unlock them for the full movement for racing. But this probably adds cost.

[@GuyManley]

Got mine yesterday. My main PC motherboard has BT5 and the deck has BT5.3 on the oled. So I think that is the issue. On the OLED deck gyro is as good as I would want it to be. Gyro aim tested in the Quake 1 remaster at 90fps and it felt very smooth and responsive with no drops or jitters to the gyro input. I also tried the included BT dongle that came with the controller on my main PC and it felt better than my on board BT. I have some other random BT receivers around so I might test more but seems like the included one is the way to go.

[@LandenL]

I almost want to buy an OLED Steam Deck just for the Bluetooth. Better connection and wake from sleep. But I guess a primitive dongle is good enough.

[@GuyManley]

@@LandenL If you play on the deck everyday on lunch break. Very worth the upgrade. If you only take the deck on trips. LCD is still solid. It's all the little upgrades and the screen of course that made it so enticing for me.

[@tremelo8508]

Can you say where you got these, as they don't seem to be officially available in Japan until November. I can't find a place to pre-order them either.

[@LilRenlor]

They came out in Japan on the 28th, if you go to the Japanese Hori Store it shows that release date

[@tremelo8508]

@@LilRenlor Oh wow!!! I could have sworn it was around Halloween. Thanks!!!

[@Ricolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

@@LilRenlor how to get in US? lol

[@LilRenlor]

@@Ricolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa there are some importing services you can use

[@Ricolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

@@LilRenlor Any recommendations?

[@Mennenth]

I've been working on a video series better explaining how to use gyro havent released it yet, but will soon. lots of editing needs to be done.

[@TheBeepMann]

Still a bit salty that its not an official steam controller but a partnership, but they still seem decent though, might pick one up

[@LandenL]

Valve should just license the OG Steam Deck controller design. I think it would have more market appeal with the Steam Deck than a generic PC controller. (Technically they were also trying to make Steam Machines then too).

[@StriderX117]

No vibration? Thanks for the info and videos, btw!

[@LandenL]

No vibration. Glad you enjoyed!

[@eustacequinlank7418]

The triggers seem someway between a force sensor, where the button remains fixed and only pressure is recorded, and a traditional one. Coming from simming this is akin to a FSSB stick, though there no fineness over the input here I guess? Though I'm not giving Valve or the controller manufacturer such credit so far. Does it feel good is the question, there's no way it should feel in the slightest bit plasticky or mushy with the user feeling like you'll break something internally when you apply more pressure. I used the mechanical fixed trigger for breaking in Redout 2 on a Gulikit KK3 for example, it didn't last long at all. I've repaired it with replacements, but it wasn't made for constant pressure to be applied as there were latches made of plastic. I'll have to look for a teardown, aye.

[@LandenL]

I am not a controller connoisseur, but I really don't like the triggers. Basically no travel, and I have no physical feedback when using the force sensor. And I guarantee its a force sensor.

[@eustacequinlank7418]

@@LandenL Cheers, great reviews btw!

[@nostalgianinja]

Waitwait, are you using the dongle or are you using the bluetooth? Maybe it needs a driver update for better responsiveness, and if you're not using the dongle, try the gyro sensitivity there.

[@LandenL]

In this video, all wireless was tested using the Steam Deck Bluetooth. I believe the manual said to do so (Maybe I didn't translate it correctly).

[@ToxicStatistic]

Are you able to test this using the dongle with the steam deck? I recall that even with the official Steam controller by Valve, it was recommended to use the included dongle over Bluetooth. It would be interesting to see if it's more responsive.

[@mintyemerald3935]

you have to use mouse gyro for a smooth experience, Not Joystick gyro. The reason portal works relatively better is because it has native gyro support

[@LandenL]

In my original video, I tried mouse gyro in The Outer Worlds and I was still having the square-like movement. But that might have been a problem with The Outer Worlds. But gyro was definitely better in Portal 2 and TF2.

[@Olrih]

With updates they can fix all gyro issues and other bugs, it’s not problem I guess

[@johnnymeansii]

"Kitchen scale", yeah.

[@LandenL]

oml it's a kitchen scale 😂 I use it to measure my coffee during a brew.

[@veerkillerx]

Still using the original Steam Controller for couch Deck gaming. I have no idea how that thing is still running strong.

[@Gr3yCard1nal]

I really wish this gamepad was good but it's not. It looks so great though.

[@justchan2443]

I was just wondering, how did you buy this? I could only see this controller on Ebay for 100 bucks, and honestly, it's probably worth half that price.

[@LandenL]

I live in Japan so I was able to buy direct from the manufacturer's website (horistore.com/shop/g/gHPC-055/). It sells for about 8k yen which is roughly $56 USD as of typing this comment.

[@borrellipatrick]

Like that the controller looks like their horipad+ controller for switch.

[@LandenL]

Yeah, the obviously reused the designs from their existing controllers. It also looks like their xbox controller. If you look at the bottom of the controller, there is a covered port. It looks like a slot for a 3.5mm headphone jack. Like the ones you see on xbox or playstation(?) controllers.

[@mikeymayhem_]

W video ! i wonder if wired still works when the battery is removed... sounds dumb but ps5 controllers dont

[@LandenL]

It's so light that I feel the weight of a cable is more noticeable than potential removed battery weight savings.

[@LandenL]

Also, ty for saying W video. W viewer.

[@psp4gamer]

I think everyone expected a premium because of valve name slapped on it. But people are forgetting that HORI makes good quality but cheap accesories, basically the generic licensed brand that is okay, but not super good quality. Those steam controllers are basically a cashgrab for someone wanting the whole setup with licensed non valve controllers.

[@Deli5150]

Please tell me where you got the controller I want to get one 😭

[@LilRenlor]

There are some import shops on eBay that have it

[@severinevans346]

@@LilRenlor Yeah but it's not officially released until October 31st on Halloween. So how did he get it when it's not released yet?

[@LilRenlor]

@@severinevans346 it already released on the 28th as per the Hori site itself

[@LilRenlor]

​@@severinevans346it was released the 28th of this month

[@LilRenlor]

@@severinevans346 KZbin keeps removing my reply that it already released lol

[@Coccyx69]

I'm gonna get it to give my steam controllers a break in shooters. I'm really curious about how long you think the sticks will last before getting stick drift?

[@churchofsatan2041]

Did you know u can make a basic controller have turbo features in steam settings. Like rapid fire etc

[@LandenL]

I did not. I usually stay away from macro features because it seems like cheating sometimes.

[@StriderX117]

Hey man, got one of this as well! Really like it, but I can't seem to connect it to the dongle on PC. Have you tried it?

[@roninstormYT]

are they haul effect sticks ?

[@LandenL]

At this price point, I doubt it.

[@MarvinV180]

How many controllers can you connect to the steam deck at once?

[@LandenL]

Google claims seven. In this video, I did 2. It's basically a Linux PC so you would either run into limitations with Linux or Steam input.

[@MarvinV180]

@@LandenL ok wicked, thanks for replying keep up the great work 👍🏾

[@thegreatbum2446]

They have digital triggers, that's why it's so light (and the lack of rumble). It's like the Switch Pro Controller. There is no travel to the triggers because it's literally a simple button.

[@holopengin]

The triggers seem to act like PS2 and OG Xbox controller buttons, where it's a standard digital button assembly (and most games just use them as digital buttons) but can actually detect how hard you press the button

[@SuperTort0ise]

The triggers remind me of ps2/3 pressure sensitivity, they use convex rubber domes for all the buttons, rather than just triggers like in PS4/5, it's a weird kind of sense because it's very easy to get 130~/255 but takes way more to get 255/255. Xbox one +(ms is bad at names) uses hall effect, just not for the analog sticks ಠ⁠ಗ⁠ಠ💢💢

[@phi86]

is this BT only or 2,4ghz? HE sticks yes or no?

[@LandenL]

I used Bluetooth but it includes a dongle. But I don't know if the dongle is regular Bluetooth or 2.4gz. if HE means Hall effect, I doubt it but I couldn't find specs on the product page.

[@gameslayer2940]

Have a question, the horipad Steam controller has vibration rumble?

[@Moskeeto]

It has no rumble at all, sadly.

[@LandenL]

Horipad does not have rumble.

[@muharremsuz]

Actually these controllers not that bad. I dont like the wireless gyro. maybe they fix it with an update if they can. And i didnt like colours either. Maybe white or black be better. Other than that design is not ugly and on the steam software they even add controllers shape layout. With steam input i think its ok. I still prefer original steam controller btw i still using it

[@LandenL]

Using a cable the gyro is great! And they have white and black colors on their website. I just green because it was funny. I picked purple because I thought it would look like the gamecube. But the purple is a little too bright. I've never used the OG steam controller, but I have a brand new one in box back in the U.S.

[@ELTT1]

Did you check if the controller has a desktop app to update?

[@LandenL]

They do have a desktop app. I don't know if there are any updates.

[@Robbiered1]

Hey does yours work outside of steam for xinput? I have it set to gamepad in steam desktop but i cant get it to work in playnite.

[@death-by-ego]

Real shame about the triggers. I was thinking about getting this due to the native steam input support for the extra buttons. Oh well. I have an actual steam controller anyway plus several other controllers for different use cases

[@plastikloser]

I saw some people say the dpad was mushy and unresponsive. Any thoughts?

[@CandarianGaming]

Those comments are Absolute garbage. The D-pad is excellent

[@tontitontito]

Try gyro as a mouse, that would be most accurate

[@ELTT1]

You should try the ultimate wireless controller by 8bitdo and comparing it with the hori one

[@LandenL]

The 8bitdo controllers do look nice. They should make a Steam Controller 2 tbh.

[@ELTT1]

@@LandenL i own the first version of the ultimate wired for xbox about a year 0 problems mi first party controller got drift first

[@rolandexclusive6306]

7,980 円 converts to a measly £40 so don't expect much in terms of quality with a 40 quid controller.

[@8HeartNCM]

Gyro work like that bcs of its emulating stick in Bethesda game and that's mean it's complete garbage where stick can't "draw" circle. It's not controller fault.

[@ryozaki96]

Really sad to know that trigger buttons are terrible.

[@allenlark]

you're calling it gyro but you're using it like it's only accelerometers

[@LandenL]

I know I am horrible with gyro, but isn't the TF2 and Portal gameplay gyro? If not, I truly don't understand how gyro works.

[@jamesalexhowlett]

A lot of people get a hard on for Hori. Most of the products I’ve tried from them always feel really cheaply made. The only product I’ve loved that they’ve made was my MH: Double Cross N3DS grip they made.

[@LandenL]

This being my first product, I didn't hate it. I feel like they did an OK job of implementing the Steam Decks control scheme. But you can definitely tell where they cut corners to keep the price down. (no rumble, no trackpads, awkward triggers)

[@jamesalexhowlett]

@@LandenL technically speaking, the original steam controller and steam deck don’t have rumble. They have haptic feedback. I’m surprised the new controllers don’t.

[@Ricolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

How do I buy one in US?

[@LandenL]

sry idk.

[@ToxicStatistic]

Play-Asia will start shipping them worldwide on Oct 31st.

[@Ricolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

@@ToxicStatistic hell yeah thanks dude!

[@ErikChendoTegon]

actually, there is better sensitivity with cable

[@LandenL]

Better sensitivity, but the included cable adds soooo much weight to the front. Messes with the center of gravity.

[@BuzzingGoober]

No vibration.... LOOOOL

[@No7_Maika]

Meh, its wierd controller. I know the original was too crazy for 10s people. But you know, i bought original controller and i know it's not perfect 10/10 gamepad (like Dualshock4, Xbox), but it's good like 7/10. Yeah one stick, wierd crossbuttons, but hey, do you remember the sound of connection? Its so electric and quite. And after all original have trackpad, like Steam Deck. With this guys i completed Doom3. Its strange controller, but sometimes very good. And this one new controller? Just a gamepad with gyro(like original btw), and what?

[@zacnyss]

I have the impression that you are negative about this pad from the very beginning. In addition, you criticize steam input without knowing how to use it, the way you tested the gyroscope I won't even mention. You can also adjust the sensitivity of the triggers, this pad has the ability to switch between analog and digital triggers, the sensitivity and trigger activation threshold can be adjusted in steam input. Remember that this pad was created just to make 100% use of the possibilities that steam input provides.

[@LandenL]

My opinion: User's shouldn't have to fix the controller in settings, especially in the Japanese market, where the Nintendo Switch/PlayStation is king. Those two console are "it just works" systems. But I am sure most PC users can find uses for this controller. I am mostly negative about this controller because you can get better value by just buying a PS5 controller.

[@zacnyss]

@@LandenL btw, how did you get this controller? The scheduled release is set for October 31th

[@LandenL]

I live in Japan right now. So I was able to simply buy it from their website. Other people mention buying it secondhand on ebay, but I wouldn't spend more than retail price imo.

[@chizbreds1717]

​​@@LandenLthe problem with this is that you really can't make it work straight out of box because of the nuances in controls that every game has. Steam, and the PC platform as a whole, has mostly one unified control scheme for FPS, which is WASD + Mouse. Most games when made for steam only really take account the keyboard and mouse control scheme. By using steam input, you can modify the controls how much you want, allowing you to have a personal and unified control scheme for almost all games. Steam Input also allows you to play controller on keyboard/mouse only games. The "modifiable" aspect of PC gaming in general, and PC culture really revolves around the use of modifications to make games and applications as modifiable as possible to make a personalized control scheme and environment.

[@chizbreds1717]

I personally use a modified flickstick control scheme for my FPS games. It is a mix of gyro and joystick for aiming. Not everyone would like that control scheme, but it would be impossible for me to use flick stick without the use of Steam Input and other controller drivers.

[@Fleshlight_Reviewer]

Bruh those triggers are so shallow...

[@LandenL]

They are pretty bad 😔

[@Fleshlight_Reviewer]

@@LandenL i bought the hori split pad for my switch. they felt pretty cheap compared to joycons... imma keep my expectations low for this controller.

[@Vaasref]

Calling Hiropads "New Steam Controller" is offensive to real Steam Controllers. Mine just changed its happy welcome music to the shitty one in protest.

[@LandenL]

It has welcome music? That's pretty neat.

[@DaMu24]

This kid needs more research

[@LandenL]

Could you tell me what I should research more? Sometimes I cut things from the video for time, but sometimes I truly don't know.

[@karibaevulan]

Hori_ble😅

[@LandenL]

😂