NEW Sub $69 Fanless 2.5GbE Switches with 10GbE

[@SeanHarlow]

I entirely agree with the frustration that major brands aren't offering something like this. I'll probably be ordering one of the 4x2.5+2x10G models soon as it's enough for my immediate needs but I wish someone would offer a switch with 8x 2.5G, 2x 10G, at least four ports of PoE, and basic VLANs. That'd be my perfect desktop switch for now.

[@andiszile]

MikroTik just announced 8 port 2.5G switch, with 2x SFP+

[@TA-mx3zm]

@@wojtek-33 The TP Link costs 450€, the ubiqiti is 480-500€, the netgear is 800€ those Aliexpress switches are 30-70€.. There is a massive price difference..

[@Rob2]

The MikroTik is $219 so it neatly fits inbetween. It is 8+2 ports. @@TA-mx3zm

[@Leet_JN]

@@andiszile Mikrotik CRS310-8G+2S+IN And it looks awesome!

[@RandomUser2401]

Does anyone know what SFP+ modules are compatible with these switches? Which of the regular compatibility options would fit best (Cisco, Dell etc. ?) given that these brands are obviously not an option?

[@x86FTW]

I've been running the Vimin variant for over a month now without any issues and its been flawless. That said, there were some small details that I think should be mentioned.. The included AC adapter was an extremely cheap phone style block with a USB type A ouput to barrel output that looked like a fire hazard. The Mokerlnk adapter (also purchased the 5x2.5 1x10G) was a little more reassuring looking. Also, when powered the Vimin has a blinking green LED on the interior that is bright enough to be seen through the chasis and the front ports, and has no relation to operation. Opened my unit and stuck a small piece of cardboard to minimize the light show.

[@Centurion13]

It's not uncommon for manufacturers to produce a product and then sell it under multiple brand names that compete against each other. Sometimes they will even go so far as to market them to different targets with significantly different prices. I suspect that is the case for some of these such as the Sodola and Mokerlink or the Yuanley and Davuaz.

[@anivicuno9473]

My most prescient example of this is steadler erasers. They've got two packs at the dollar store for 2 dollars, and single packs at the art store for 7.50

[@noredine]

They're doing the spiderman meme

[@AndersHass]

Or a manufacturer has a model that brands can license to attach their name to (so the brands aren’t necessarily owned by the same company as the manufacturer but they all basically release the same product).

[@wcr6121]

"The illusion of choice"

[@ihatesignupsgrrrrrrr]

How can you go about confirming if the switch was made by the same manufacturer? You seem to realize this, but how do you know this?

[@gh8447]

That TP-Link unit didn't even have shielded ports for the 2.5 Gb ports. Real bottom-of-the-barrel stuff right there.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Yea. That is why it is in the "not recommended list"

[@marcogenovesi8570]

That's kind of what you would expect from a TP-Link

[@sayanchx]

TP is in the name! 😅

[@TheExileFox]

Even so it can be really reliable.

[@-PORK-CHOP-]

@@TheExileFox Correct, TP Link have been around for years and is a "brand" name, unlike 90% of these ones you can't even pronounce, will they still be working in 3 months ?

[@cszulu2000]

Has anyone tested the Chinese switches for security reasons?

[@meikgeik]

This needs more upvotes.

[@Rob2]

It is not very likely that dumb switches like this have security issues. And if they had, they would just as likely have them when being American.

[@chuckholmes2075]

as long as you're behind NAT or a firewall and run a Smart Router then I think you'd be safe.

[@Meowbay]

Nonsense. You need to be way more scared of the NSA/CIA/FBI and the US NATO war machine.

[@CowCow-o5m]

@@chuckholmes2075 My opnsense firewall is running on Chinese hardware though 😅 lol. I am somewhat concered of firmware level malware when buying mini-pc's etc from AliExpress but I'm not smart enough to know how to check/prevent it. I think eventually I'll just assemble and old pc with standard parts from hopefully more reputable companies

[@shmehfleh3115]

Good to see prices coming down on 2.5gE switches. I've had motherboards with onboard 2.5gE nics for the better part of a decade now, and have never used them at their rates speed. The switches were always way too expensive to justify the upgrade.

[@TryHardNewsletter]

If your motherboards had Intel 2.5gE chips then it wouldn't have mattered anyways

[@drtbantha]

These 4+2 models are really promising - have been looking for a low wattage switch to handle just a router, APs, and a fast link to my separate home lab. These might just do the trick! Only thing that would make them better for that use case is PoE.

[@WhiteG60]

That's what I did. I got one of these + an 8 port 10Gbe SFP+ switch and just stuck a twinax cable as the ISL. For < $150 total I had both.

[@javaman2883]

During Prime day I saw a 2.5GbE switch, with 5 ports and 2 ports, thinking it was one like these here. When I looked at the specs, I saw that it was 5 gigabit ports, with 2 2.5GbE ports for $75 normally $110. Glad I watched this video to know that wasn't a good deal.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Happy to help! Enjoy.

[@ssokolow]

Depends on what you need. I'm considering setting up a little mini-cluster where I need to hook up five to eight hand-me-down devices with gigabit and one device with 2.5G that'll have the SSD they all pull their data from. Given that none of the gigabit devices are going to saturate their links when doing CPU-bound stuff like batch thumbnailing, the concern is a cost-effective way to avoid bottlenecking between them and the machine doubling as a storage server/task dispatcher as the I/O gets concentrated, so it makes sense to have at least ONE switch in the house that has a couple of 2.5Gbit ports, five to eight 1Gbit ports, and a backplane really only needs to be good enough to allow saturating the one 2.5Gbit port in both directions.

[@matthiaslange392]

I had problems with cheap switches in the past: because of delivery-shortage of network devices, an electrician installed a cheap poe-switch for security cameras. and it took me some hours to figure out that it injected bad frequencies in the buildings power-circuits that stopped working all of the customers powerline-adapters. the errors were gone seconds after i disconnected this cheap switch. I told the customer better get a d-link or tp-link.

[@jamb312]

I just got this “Davuaz 2.5G PoE Switch with 8 x 2.5G Base-T Ports and 1 x 10G SFP Uplink Port” as I needed 2.5 Gbe POE for wifi 6E AP, a Mikrotik router board, and a couple raspberry pi’s. Fit great in my rack, I need to power test though.

[@beyondearth6418]

Thanks for the video. It doesn't always just come down to the cheapest possible device. In the end, if you have specific requirements and need a managed switch, with proper vlan handling and configuration for example, most of what was shown here will be an immediate definitive no-go. Cheers :)

[@davidhettinger8873]

Thanks STH. Looking forward to tracking down a managed 4 port (2.5gb) 1 port sfp+ unit with PoE when the wifi 7 standard is finalized for APs. Cheers.

[@sparkyenergia]

These are perfect. I want a switch to connect up from my gateway to the wireless AP's on my network. I have 3 ubiquiti AP's they are 1gbe connection but future ones wont be. I also get a 10g link back to the gateway. And its fibre so electrical isolation for upstream devices.

[@Louis25495]

The VLAN switch separates the 2.5G ports from one another. Each one can only communicate with the SFP+ ports, but not with each other.

[@yunodiewtf]

Interestingly none of these models appear on taobao. On the contrary western market is being flooded by lots of variations of the same thing. I'd send some to top security researches for super-sophisticated chip-level rootkits.

[@einsteinx2]

Lol I just ordered the recommended QNAP 4 port 2.5gbe + 2 port 10gb sfp+ the other day for double the price of these new ones, it hasn’t even been delivered yet haha. Ultimately I think I’m going to keep it as it’s still relatively inexpensive and is a well known brand, but of course this video comes out 2 days after I put off buying the switch for months 😂

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

I think there is still value to getting a switch that has regulatory markings and such from a bigger brand like QNAP.

[@einsteinx2]

@@ServeTheHomeVideo yep agreed. If the QNAP was like $300 or something I’d probably return it and take the chance on one of these, but for $130 it’s already very reasonable and as you said there’s value in more “legit” products/companies.

[@qm3ster]

The VLAN switch looked interesting, wish you leaned into it.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

We are going to have the full review on the STH main site. It is written, my guess is that it goes live this week but it depends on if there is any big news. If not, the full review will go live next week.

[@Elkarlo77]

Very nice Switch. I have a Problem with the Daisy Chain 10gbit Switches, which are not the Switches but the Cores for the Network. They are Cheap enough but on a Daisy Chain you get only 2 10Gbit inputs and lot of 2.5Gbit and since they are unmanaged you have the problem of Cascading losses. Imo the Problem is that there are no Cheap 10Gb Switches out there which matches the 2x10 4x 2.5 GB Switches. The Hasivo S1100WP-8XGT-SE costs around 4 Times of the Smaller Switches. The TP-Link 5 Port TP-Link TL-SX105 is not much Cheaper. Something like the TP-Link with 5x 10Gbit or SFP+ for DAC Cables for 150-200$ would make those 70$ Switches very viable and Intresting. 3-4 Switches Some maybe even Daisychained so maybe 4 Switched 2 Daisychained. And the 5x 10GGbit for Server/Nas Uplink would result in a Cheap powerfull Network with 5x10Gbit Edge Connections and 20x 2.5Gbit Edge Connections. Alternativly a QNAP QSW-M408-4C one less 10Gbit Port but 8 1Gbit for Appliances. Nice for a small Office with 4 Rooms and two Desks per Room. Or Homelab. But ATM the 10Gbit Switch would costs as much as all the other Switches together. Search on Aliepxress and you will be helped. Maybe a Feature about the "ONTi 8 * 10G SFP+ Switch Desktop Unmanaged Ethernet Network Switch" for 150$ 8x SFP+ 10Gbit Port unmanaged or 250 USD managed would beat the Hasivo and be the perfect core for a small office/Homelab.

[@alphenit]

Good to see prices are coming down but without the most simple of things like management and VLANs they are not of much use I think.

[@TheSolidSnakeOil]

I am so glad I held off getting a new switch. I going grab that 8-port one. All I need now is a 6E access point that won't break my wallet.

[@bhcompy188]

If you've got Frontier, they just gave me an Archer AXE300 router/6e AP for free

[@someoneoutthere1866]

Should do a thorough test on these... wonder if these cheap switches drop packets?!?

[@niksuto]

something like the sodola would be great if it had a POE-in port to power the device.

[@braddeicide]

At these prices I don't need vlans, I can just run a stack of real lans

[@Shadoweee]

Awesome stuff I just wish there would be an open protocol for SDN that manufacturers actually use :)

[@DEEFRAG]

i ordered the tp-link switch for 60 bucks a month ago. i regret it now. it is now offered for 25 bucks and the SFP+ versions are also cheaper than what i paid.

[@tonicipriani]

Horaco is also one of the brands it seems, they have this same switch under "New Arrivals". I was so close to pulling the trigger on their 8x2.5GbE+1x10G-SFP model, looks just like the Yuanley model but was also available L2 managed.

[@giuseppearbia]

I have two horaco 2.5gb, I am planning to use the 10G SFP to connect them together

[@sshvulnerability]

The issue is actually reliability - something very difficult to test in these short videos.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

We usually have these running with iperf3 traffic flowing for weeks before we do the video. I guess the question is that if these cost half or a quarter of the price, is it something you self-warranty

[@Ghennesph]

fyi though on cost, 1Gb is actually 1.28Gb bidirectional, 1.5Gb is 2.56Gb and not bidirectional. one of the reasons 2.5g chips are so flaky is probably that they're cheap hacks of standard 1Gbe chips. It's actually the same bandwidth, just with the normally bidirectional bandwidth now switching between send and receive instead of being dedicated to it, so you're a lot more likely to actually saturate the link. So, basically, we're still really only in the gigabit generation in consumer hardware.

[@guidath2486]

Great segment, all of your explanations are very easy to follow. When you brought up Port Mirroring, a security question came to mind. There are so many manufacturers or Network switches, some appear to be USA companies, and others we have no idea where they are from. I have seen videos where the same electronics appears to be in different packaging with different company names. Question: How secure are Network switches, and how can we know if any of our network traffic (personal data) is being “forwarded” without our knowledge to a person or company to be used for nefarious purposes. Is there a way to determine if this is being done?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

On unmanaged switches it is hard. If you tried forwarding all traffic people will see 2.5Gbps+ streams easily. These do not have enough CPU power to do deep packet inspection and select which packets to send.

[@sjoervanderploeg4340]

With that VLAN button you can likely address the ports based on VLAN ID?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

It is more for port isolation.

[@fps_purple9556]

Did you ever make a completion video on the fiber upgrades you did to the lab?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

No! I was thinking about doing that after the move to Scottsdale. Not sure if folks want that kind of content

[@ziozzot]

I think the "vlan" switch is port isolation for the 2.5 gbit ports no ?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

It is. Still, like 95% of folks who watch these videos will be freaked out by it when they flip the switch. The 5% of folks who get port isolation that watches will figure it out instantly.

[@jennerate1206]

00:11 - hang on a second. If it’s so small how can a NUC make it look gargantuan?

[@shApYT]

Thank you, Mr.Xi.

[@WooShell]

It's just ridiculous at this point.. dozens of brands copying the default schematic from the Realtek chip datasheet.. I'm a bit surprised that they even made slight variations in the case layout, if only it's moving the SFP slot around half an inch. Could STH maybe put pics of the boards up on the website, just to compare their inside design choices..? I'm still annoyed that Dell discontinued the X1200 switch.. managed 12x 10G SFP+ in half-rack size for under 500$ was such a fantastic deal.. there's nothing in sight that even gets close to that.

[@patrickhanft]

Anything similar to any of these with basic smart managed features (VLAN, 802.1X, etc.) and I'd be really happy!

[@blitzegron4848]

Amazon has smart Trendnet 8 ports that allow all of goodies of a smart switch for under $50.

[@keyboard_g]

@9:45 for these switches where the 5 2.5gbps ports are organized 4+1 with the one going through a realtech chip. What is the reason for that extra chip on that one port? If that is supposed to be the uplink, why doesn’t the 10Gbps port go to that extra little chip?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Usually that is cheaper to use as a PHY since they are only a few cents.

[@keyboard_g]

Thanks!

[@LiLBitsDK]

and the other chips does 4 ports + connection on to other chips afaik, so it is a cheap way to add 1 more port instead of going up to 8 ports

[@keyboard_g]

@@LiLBitsDK Makes sense. Thanks for the explanation. These things are getting simple enough, that if someone got ahold of the chips a batch could be manufactured at like a PCB Way or the likes.

[@vmoutsop]

It’s about friking time for the price cuts

[@headlibrarian1996]

So which of these switches does VLAN passthrough? Many cheap switches do not. Also, did any bandwidth testing get done? One favorite way of cheating out multi-speed switches is to have the internal link from the slow ports to the 10G be limited to at most the speed of a single port, or more likely just 1G total.

[@sethfreund5007]

Great reviews! Have you come across any 2.5GBe switches that are POE powered?

[@kcgunesq]

As soon as 8 port 2.5 (don't care about 10gig) switches get into the $50 range, I'll buy several. But even at these improved prices, I'm not interested.

[@jeremymathis6906]

I wonder if the VLAN switch on the Vimin switch changes the interfaces from Access to Trunk ports without native, where you would need to tag everything.

[@ferrari2k]

"only"... ;) 1GBit switches cost about 10-15€, to upgrade this hardware in my home I would have to change several of these, so... no thanks? The new switches need to become a lot cheaper to be this kind of like "yeah, I'll take one with me" unit. Maybe 30€ or something. At least manufacturers start to produce these so maybe prices will drop in a couple of months.

[@markbifferos2765]

I have 24-port in my home, and I'm moving to 2.5GB but there's no way I'm doing all 24-ports there's just no point, so I considered for a fairly modest investment I can have the machines that need it on the higher speed. I got a fanless proxmox server which comes with 6x 2.5GB NICs, you get those sort-of for free, a couple of the cheap amazon 2.5 cards for £13, and the MokerLink for £47. Not as cheap as you'd like but not breaking the bank either.

[@TheHalo294]

I love that swtich content.

[@svetlinzarev3453]

Please make a review of the KeepLink cheap 5/8 ports 2.5Gbps switch from Aliexpress

[@r3dhorse]

The guy making of good brand names must have had the day off.

[@kojakdurham]

With these no-name brands, I would have major security reservations.

[@SP_99999]

Hi, just a question, did anyone have found 10gbaseT transceiver that doesn't get ugly hot ? I've bought 4 from a couple of different brand but they become burning hot and I don't feel much confident to keep them plugged in on small switches mostly passively cooled. Both in Mikrotik cr305-1g-4s+in and in Horaco switch they become so hot that cannot be touched.

[@alvallac2171]

*question: has anyone found *hot? *brands, but *very confident

[@VFPn96kQT]

Are there any such switches that are not made in China?

[@OldLordSpeedy]

If do you can found electronic devices how are not "Made in P.R.C." - good luck! Only some microprocessors and small computers are produced in Taiwan, Europe and U.S.A. 😂 We give off the producing of these products before 30 years for "save money" and for "produce cheaper in neighbor countries" - mostly Asia ...

[@alvallac2171]

@@OldLordSpeedy *If you can find *We gave up producing *products 30 years ago to "save *and to *neighboring countries,"

[@Fudge01010]

Bit of a newbie to SFP+ and 10gig, this might finally push me over the edge. In terms of transcievers / DAC cables, lots of stores list different "models" for different brands. What should I be selecting for the best chance at this working? Or will these generic switches work with pretty much anything? I don't think any transcievers are going to be listed as compatible with "Davuaz" 😅

[@alexandre.leites]

I really wish STH also make a video for people how are just moving to SPF+, DACs and stuff and need a basic knowhow

[@Fudge01010]

If anyone finds this comment and had a similar question: I purchased two "Hisource" 6 port (4x 2.5gb and 2x10gb) units from Aliexpress. I also bought a 10Gtek 30M DAC cable. I reached out to 10Gtek and asked what "model" for the cable / transcievers they recommend, and they suggested trying Cisco, so that's what I got. Works perfectly! 10Gb backbone, 5x 2.5Gb clients across two switches, works without issue! 😁 Thanks for the great video, and shedding light on these switches! Finally pushed me over the edge to upgrade my home network

[@ram64man]

Please do a managed and router 2.5 switch units as well and what os is like to manage

[@cmuller1441]

Just having 2.5G is not a boost high enough. You can buy second hand gigabit switches for a few $. Basically just paying shipping fees.

[@ИванБрагин]

Nice :) honest 10 Gbe, but 8ports*2.5gbe=20 and 2*10gbe=20gbe ;))

[@TheChemicalWorkshop]

ordering soon, just need 10gbe/2.5gbe cards...

[@HannesZietsman]

i wish one can get one with 10-BaseT not SFP+

[@bitkahuna]

nice to have the faster switches but what about nic's to use that speed?

[@CytotoxicTCell]

I don't understand the fixation on power consumption on such an insignificant piece of hardware operating in single digit watts. The electrical cost of operating the hardware for 25+ years wouldn't come to even half the cost of the switch. Also, I do not see many situations where this would be scaled.

[@Mopar3.6LV6]

Just got the Davuaz Da-K6402W. Looking for suggestions on which 10Gb SFPs to use? Will Cisco work?

[@deano1699]

Why are there STILL no budget routers with this port lineup on the back? :)

[@rebootcomputa]

I had nothing but issues with brandless cheap switches, bought 2 in amazon and straight up stopped working in 2 weeks. I went with TP link next and no issues

[@CraigAndersen-d6j]

Using Yuanley 6 port ys25-0402, when I connect the 2 switches by cat6 cable it seems to be 1Gbps not 2.5Gbps, expected behavior ?

[@joshuaspires9252]

you keep pitching sfp as a good thing. Sadly i find all of them to be very pricy, may be good for a shorter film to help us find these cheaper ones.. In short i wat no fibre optic as i have no need for it.

[@alvallac2171]

Fiber and DAC are significantly more power efficient than RJ45 (copper) and produce less heat.

[@joshuaspires9252]

@@alvallac2171 I found some newer stuff that brought. The cost down. And bought in after all. Lol.

[@ronwatkins5775]

Is there a review on a 4-8port POE 1G switch somewhere no your site?

[@JP-zd8hm]

Will any of these switches forward VLAN tagged frames in tact?

[@unmanaged]

ok now where are the liux compatiable 2.5 and 10gbe cards?

[@alvallac2171]

*compatible

[@chuckholmes2075]

whats your opinion with 10gbt vs SFP 10gb

[@UNVIRUSLETALE]

Just give me a 30€ 4 port 2.5, I just got 5gbps epon but the router only has 1 2.5g port so it's either my pc or the repeater, all the fancy features are nice but all my other devices are 1g so it'd be a waste to have sfp+ and everything else that I'll probably never use in the next 5 years

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

If you have been following the series on the STH main site one of the 4+2 switches recently hit $35-38

[@UNVIRUSLETALE]

@@ServeTheHomeVideo oh, I haven't followed it lately, I'll check it out, thanks 😮

[@Tredok]

Sorry, i'm not sure i'm understanding the Davuaz performance graphic correctly. Even though it has 2x10Gb SPF ports the only do 2.5Gb? or is it reasonable to think that two devices connected through SPF would be able to reach 10Gb speeds, am i missing something? am i to sleepy to understand this? hahahaha sorry and thanks if anyone answers.

[@hyperspeed1313]

What’s the point of making the 10 Gbit port SFP when it could just be a 10 Gbit RJ45 port?

[@Rob2]

10 Gbit RJ45 is not very popular. For connection to a router you can use a SFP-SFP cable instead (DAC cable).

[@alvallac2171]

From what I've read, 10 Gbit RJ45 consumes a lot more power and generates more heat, compared to fiber or DAC. SFP and SFP+ provide more flexibility, because they can be used with different types of transceiver modules.

[@maverickbna]

Which network chipset do ya'll recommend for 2.5Gbps NICs? Realtek 8125 or Intel I225V, which would you prefer?

[@howardfukuda7565]

I was wondering what NIC is in the NAS and the test computer? I've heard of problems with both the Realtek and the Intel chips. Maybe the switches have Realtek chips in them, so might be ok with a Realtek NIC.

[@GetFitEatRight]

Ohh China... 100 product names and brands for the same item.

[@michaelschmid2311]

can you suggest a cheap managed router with 2.5 gbe and 2 sfp+ ports? i need a way to seperate my home server from the rest of my network so vlans from a managed router would be a solution

[@tim3172]

The most affordable, good, managed, VLAN-capable, wired switch with 2.5 (2 ports) plus SFP+ (2 ports, 10GB) is the XGS1210-12 at $180. If you need a router, specifically, then that's going to be hundreds of dollars. I'm not aware of anything that combines router + 2.5 + SFP+. If you drop the 2.5 there are MikroTik options which are SFP+ and gigabit ports in... well, switches running in router mode via RouterOS. I would question why you'd need a router if your only goal is VLAN isolation, though.

[@mgut17]

mesuring the power usegae just by plaugging in a cable isnt corrent, should be checked by transfering a 10gb file then measure the power consumption

[@alvallac2171]

*Measuring *usage *plugging *isn't *correct. It *transferring *file and then *consumption.

[@marcello4258]

Do we trust this manufacturer? No edgy stuff behind the scenes?

[@RHODEZ]

Now if unifi would clone this and sell it in mass

[@6581punk]

Shame it's not 10GB over copper. I use a Netgear with that, it's fanless but runs hot.

[@nathangrennan4804]

What model of Netgear? Is it multi-gigabit? How much was it? What else do you have to say about it?

[@LiLBitsDK]

it is 10gig over copper when you use a 10bate-t module in the sfp+ slots ;-)

[@Qyngali]

Whatever happened to 5Gb...

[@gershon9600]

Does the spf+ ports support sub 10g speeds like 5g and 2.5g?

[@alvallac2171]

*Do (because "ports" is plural)

[@bingliu2932]

Can we get 10Gb rj45 instead of sfp?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

We have a few of those already in the Buyer's Guide on the main site. That just costs more/ uses more power so it is less popular.

[@jonathanbuzzard1376]

Why? They consume gobs of power and 99% of 10Gbps ports are SFP+. I have hundreds of 10Gbps ports at work and not a single RJ45 port in sight. I would rather change the NIC than have to deal with 10GBaseT.

[@yuuki-yuuki]

​@@jonathanbuzzard1376I got fiber internet at home and the ONT hands off at 10g rj45. People don't always have choice.

[@tim3172]

@@jonathanbuzzard1376 Because people run RJ45 in their homes.

[@jonathanbuzzard1376]

@@tim3172If you absolutely need an 10GBaseT connection then use a suitable SFP+ module. Even in the home most people using a couple of 10Gbps ports are going to connect at least one to the NAS and it will most likely be near enough the switch to use a DAC cable. Another reason a cheap switch is going to be SFP+ is that 10GBaseT phys costs money which would increase the price of the switch.

[@PMPerformance]

What are you guys doing in your home that you actually need and can confirm you are getting using 2.5gb per port? Being I do this on an enterprise level, I can assure you it is NOT in the slightest bit common to even see 100mbps speeds on a port, let alone gigabit speeds. Then there is throughput of the ACTUAL aggregated bandwidth the device can support with channels driven

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

I mean modern NASes can use SMB3 multichannel and easily aggregate 2.5GbE ports on these unmanaged switches. It is very easy to get speeds like that there. We also have aggregate throughput for each switch in the video

[@PMPerformance]

@@ServeTheHomeVideo I got further in the video and saw the 60gb/s aggregate. Has this been tested? This seems quite inflated. Yea for running a NAS I can see using higher bandwidth. For normal work though nothing is really using those speeds. The only thing I ever see using any real bandwidth is storage and highly used databases.

[@Phathom0]

The YuanLey YS25-0402 dropped to like $40 with coupon. It's nuts!

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Very

[@knownportal2516]

Almost thought it was too good to be true, it seems low port count 2.5/10 gigabit switches are very cheap on Aliexpress

[@balls2bone]

I've not long got my house to 1Gbps. Not planning on upgrading any time soon. TBH, 2.5Gbps being the new hotness means I can get gigabit stuff cheap 2nd hand.

[@igfoobar]

If they all have the same chip, probably all the different companies followed the same reference design.

[@be-kind00]

Thanks for what you do! Can you please start doing a regular session on managed switches with 2.5, 10, and poe++? I think a lot of us need these for dual 10g nas ports and powering those power hungry 6e AP's. Anyone else agree?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

WOW! THANK YOU! We are going to start working on more of those soon. As in, Bryan did photos/ B-Roll for them yesterday. Maybe in an October update we will have more of them.

[@egerlachca]

Yes please! I'm not running WiFi 6e APs yet, but I'm just done with unmanaged devices. I've done the UniFi thing for a while, and I'm looking for the next thing.

[@tabbertmj]

I'm interested in the managed switches, too. I run multiple vlans at home.

[@TheRbray]

Yes! Especially because searching poe++ is always saturated with 802.3af/at units and not bt. Then when you find something that does do poe++, it's gigabit only.

[@sashag1547]

Yes! 2.5/10 managed would be great.

[@SweBeach2023]

It's crazy how long 1Gb has been the standard.

[@viljosavolainen2286]

There havent been many regular consumers needing anything faster. Its rare to use fast home server and who has internet connection faster than 1 gig? Most people are also lazy so they go with wifi. Prosumer level seems to have gotten big enough and technology gotten cheap enough that there is enough demand now.

[@OceansideCASailing]

My house has used the same 1gb switches since 2007. I'll upgrade once my PCs start supporting 2.5g

[@viljosavolainen2286]

@@OceansideCASailing I dont need to transfer files between my comps and i have only slow nas so no need to upgrade currently. At some point it will happen but then prices might have gone down.

[@solandri69]

Bear in mind that the speed increase going from 10 Mbps to 100 Mbps, is equivalent to going from 100 Mbps to 190 Mbps, not from 100 Mbps to 1 Gbps. So you should expect going from 100 Mbps to 1 Gbps to take longer than going from 10 Mbps to 100 mbps. And 1 Gbps to 10 Gbps should take even longer. We're also running into limitations of the speed of light. If you're varying a signal at 312 MHz like the Cat6 sec says, a wavelength is only 96 cm long. Meaning a 10 meter cable is actually "storing" 10 waves in transit along it at any moment. Reminds me of the old days of racetrack memory.

[@joemann7971]

@@OceansideCASailing If your PC has empty PCI-E slots, it's just a matter of buying a NIC for 2.5g or even 10G.

[@agizm0]

I, too, keep hearing the argument that 2.5G shouldn't exist. But as someone who manages networks, 2.5G is awesome because I don't have to rip out 400+ Cat5e cables in multiple buildings.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Exactly.

[@Wingnut353]

It still shouldn't exist because its an underperforming spec.... like 1G networks are potato class hardware these days its cents for a 1G nic, 10G even was only advanced 20 years ago... now it should be ubiquitous. What is even crazier is most AMD CPUs of the past few hears ahve an integrated 10G nic that is never routed out on but except maybe a single EPYC embedded board but they all have it. It's even worse that $250+ motherboards ship with shitty 1 or 2.5G nics... instead of 10G... if I were selling mobo's I'd be embarassed to sell anything over that price with a 1G nic completely embarrassed.

[@michaelprescott387]

I love 2.5 honestly and to be honest other than accessing on-site hardware. It's useless going any higher unless in a large buisness building. Since your prob not gonna saturate all those links and have websites that will even supply that much bandwidth too you. IMO

[@TheHuesSciTech]

What's the argument for 2.5G in the remotely normal home, though? I can't contrive a situation that even a hobbyist would engage in that would meaningfully benefit from going beyond gigabit? Genuinely curious.

[@zackkoukios8123]

@@TheHuesSciTechFile transfers to a NAS for one thing. Networked storage is a pretty mainstream use case and even a single HDD can far exceed gigabit. Cutting the transfer time to a little under half is a big improvement that just about anyone can readily notice

[@jjones2582]

I've been hoping for a couple years now that 2.5G would hurry up and become the new low end entry point like 1G has been for almost a decade now. This looks like that ball has finally started rolling. Now if the big names will start replacing all their 1G switches with 2.5G equivalents.

[@mastroitek]

So true, at the time internet was slow and same was for HDDs, but rn we have cheap SSDs that can push 3-6GBps and even entry level NASes start having multiple 2.5 or 5Gb ports with NVMe support, we need at the very least 2.5GbE to become the new standard

[@javaman2883]

I used to think 1G was standard, as my desktop in 2007 had it. But once my internet got upgraded, I realized the Gigabit routers I bought in 2016 through 2020 did not have any gigabit ports on them, only gigabit WiFI. Between 2015 and 2021 I lived in a mountain town, so the fasted interent was 15Mbps, and thunderstorms were rought on ethernet ports. I learned to unplug everything, the ethernet going from one room to another picked up enough inductive charge to fry ethernet ports even when power strips ion both rooms were unpoluged from the wall. So i kept a router on spare, as ordering one would take a few days or any hour drive to buy a way overpriced one.

[@jjones2582]

@@javaman2883 - That is pretty interesting. I've never heard of the Ethernet indoors getting enough static buildup to fry ports. On outdoor Wifi access points a static build up is more common and they make shielded Ethernet cable with a electrostatic drain-wire to help siphon that off. It requires special shielded plugs with a drain-wire connection, and of course a switch with shielded ports that is also grounded through a three wire power cable or else a separate ground wire.

[@The_Think3r]

Vimin Switch: The VLan switch ensures that Ports 1-4 cannot communicate with each other but with ports 5&6 (to separate networks).

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

This is correct.

[@s.i.m.c.a]

its not really vlan, but port isolation

[@magfal]

I'd love this feature on more low port count switches (properly labeled)

[@arandomguy4478]

​@@magfalloads of aliexpress poe switches have that featire

[@magfal]

@@arandomguy4478 I'd like to see it on switches that I can trust.

[@hipantcii]

Do you have jitter measurements in your test data? In my experience this can be a problem with cheap switches with latency sensitive applications. Like in home game streaming for example.

[@redlinejoes]

I have witnessed the same issues when testing performance for the same application, game streaming. Cheap switches can have up to 5ms latency, but a higher grade switch should be

[@cmoullasnet]

We do a lot of VoIP work and this is exactly why we don’t touch these.

[@joansparky4439]

I also got the 2x 10Gb SFP+ 4x 2.5GbE ( 3:17 ) for being the middle node with having two 1x 10Gb SFP+ 8x 2.5GbE ( 7:42 ) connected to the node via 850nm fiber. Should be good enough for a simple home network without a need for several VLANS and other gimmicks I have no use nor interest in maintaining.

[@leonidy745]

Thank you for your work Patrick, and team! You are always so enthusiastic, keep it that way! I moved my home network to 2.5Gbe thanks to your video I randomly came across, now subscribed and looking forward to each new one :-)

[@wiedapp]

Regarding the Vimin switch: Recently the German KZbinr Raspberry Pi Cloud did a review on it and did elaborate a bit on the VLAN switch. If active it seperates all 2.5G ports from each other, but clients plugged in there could still make a connection to the 10G ports...well, at least one of them. If to both I dont know, didn't get an answer to my question about that. He's a busy man and I'm one of many, so no hard feelings. Another point I do wonder about is how the IP addresses are handled when that switch is enabled. Or how this seperation is handled at all. From what I know right now you better use one of the 10G ports for uplink.

[@Bawlk]

Hope to see some managed stuff

[@davidfarning8246]

While not the fanciest switches on the market, they are going to start disrupting the market for users like me with only a few devices that need the higher connectivity. Really hoping the Flex line of Unifi switches need to drop in price to become a bit more comparable. I can't imagine the BOM cost is 10X higher for a 10G switch which sells for $299 than a 1G switch which sells for $29.

[@stb-pk1fs]

Unifi still thinks 2.5G switches are "enterprise".

[@jolness1]

The Vimin joke, and especially Patrick’s happiness after was amazing. Great video, finally may get my server hooked up over 10 gig

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

I was a bit surprised that this made the cut

[@TheHuesSciTech]

What are you doing on your server that can saturate a 10 gig link? I'm genuinely curious if there's any point to this beyond-1-gigabit stuff that isn't just "ooh shiny big numbers" -- not trolling -- genuinely don't understand?

[@JP-zd8hm]

@@TheHuesSciTechespecially useful for uplinks where a single 1Gbps stream, for example a backup or big download, can saturate the link

[@joansparky4439]

Who cares about the cardboard box and how it looks like after transport? It's only job is to protect the content during transport - afterwards it will be thrown out anyway.

[@jolness1]

Easily looks like that box may not protect it depending on how shipping goes though so worth mentioning imo.

[@DementiaAcerbus]

Because it’s the primary indicator of how well it did that only job. If it no longer has structural integrity then it likely failed at fully protecting the content during transport.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

because if the box sucks it's possible you can get a crushed item. Aliexpress should cover this, but it's a hassle

[@joansparky4439]

if the box is roughed up it's done it's job, it's absorbed the shocks by crumpling, protecting the stuff on the inside.. just like your car does when it crumples to protect you from being exposed to accelerations/shocks that would harm you if your car wouldn't dampen them for you. A crumpled box is no indication of how well or bad it's done it's job actually, it's just a tell tale sign of the package being exposed to rough handling. An unharmed box is no sign of your device not having been thrown around and exposed to shocks if the box itself isn't designed to crumple and instead will pass on everything that it experiences on the outside straight to your device on the inside and all the heavier parts that make it up that can come loose being exposed to shocks/accelerations.

[@pointleshero]

The best part is this comment started as who cares about the box then moved towards a small peak into overall cardboard box engineering

[@jeremyjedynak]

Thanks for covering these devices! The PCBs appear small enough that a manufacturer could make Ethernet Switch Card in PCIe form factor, where the host could have a dedicated port via the PCIe connection and even a second management over PCIe for managed variants of such cards.

[@camialeh]

but... u could buy a 4port nic and use ur pc as a switch lmao, bought a cisco c240 m3 for homelabbing, i has 3x4Gb Nics, so theres all my vms and also serves as switch, my isp router is the Home network and from there i got 2 uplink for my cisco where all MY things connect, so i dont fck up my home's internet if i start doing anything lol

[@nickpage221]

The 8-port version of the Sodola SL-SWTG015AS (called 8X2.5G+10G SFP on AZ) is currently only $99, I bought one about five months ago and it has been working fine so far. I think it's worth mentioning because you posted the Sodola SL-SGT108-P which is currently around $95 and for about the same price, you can get the same switch but with an added 10GbE SFP+. If people "don't need" the SFP+ then just save the $4 but, with a .5m DAC cable only like $9, it's a great way to uplink switches like these together.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

I think we reviewed that one in the last video and showed it quickly here.