New Tiger & Rory Master Stroke Goes Far Beyond What They're Saying about TMRW Sports

[@derekwhyle1884]

Best thing the Euro tour can do is strike a deal with LIV for world ranking points access and boost the quality of their fields.

[@alarmservicepros]

EU will gain great players

[@tonytitado6478]

PGA players, repeat after me....THANK YOU PHIL....YOU TOO GREG!!!!!!Couldn't have done it without you.

[@Mike-id7bh]

I understand what you are saying about Tiger. If Tiger had the players interests at heart he could have fixed the PGA along time ago. He ultimately had the power to tell PGA what to do but he didn't. It took Phil to stand up and put his legacy on the line to bring about change.

[@ThinkingManShow]

Good point Mike. Tiger in his prime had no interest in "the Tour" or how other players were doing financially. He was exclusively about winning. Fine. Now as his playing career comes to a close, his priorities have shifted. He is however the same person.

[@HTHAMMACK1]

LOL! Phil didn't go to LIV because he gave a damn about anyone but himself. He went to LIV because he's selfish and greedy, and he wanted the money, even if it was blood money, Phil didn't care about change. He cared about 200 million dollars. You people have to stop with this nonsense.

[@Mike-id7bh]

@@HTHAMMACK1 that's you opinion. I see a history of Phil wanting change in the PGA which leads me to believe his agenda was more than just the money.

[@ianniess4832]

The tour is a joke, jay made the changes only because liv came to fruition. Phil was right about everything! Tiger is the tour and bigger than the tour and none of this happens without Tiger, in 10 yrs the tour will file bankruptcy and the the public investment fund in Saudi Arabia is going to own all of worldwide golf to save it. That’s just my prediction of the end game here.

[@HTHAMMACK1]

@@ianniess4832 No, LIV Tour is a joke, with no competition, no decent tournaments, no incentive to win or be great, no TV partners, and piddly attendance. When oil prices keep dropping and the murdering dictator gets tired of losing money, he will drop LIV like a hot rock.

[@1362pc]

C'mon..simulator golf...you're kidding....OF COURSE its all about Tiger and him remaining in the spotlight...

[@futureofmoney5730]

Tht bit " We will commandeer your men" was a brilliant addition!!

[@ThinkingManShow]

Thank you FoM. We love that scene from Die Hard. Great writing!

[@holysmoker10]

Tiger n Tori’s idea not interesting at all. The big issue TW & Tory have, is they both aren’t Jack and Arnie. People trusted both of them, Arnie was easily the most loved and the players knew they had their best interest in mind. Both TW & Tory just proved with the Put Put game plan it’s all about themselves. As to what the PGA is now doing, I agree TW & Tory could care less about the other players on the tour. It’s all about what’s best for themselves and of course the king that being the pga. Phil thank you for taking the hits and having the guts for putting it all on the line for the other players and the advancement of pro golf.

[@1362pc]

100% correct...they all know Tiger is all about Tiger..

[@billmoyer3254]

Arnie was the same pos that Tiger was in his marriage. Nobody knew about it.

[@steveh4595]

Also about Tiger, he'll be able to compete in these skill challenges, getting the adoration he craves without physically breaking down, in addition to the behind the scenes stuff Darkstar and B-Teamed talked about.

[@ThinkingManShow]

Thx Steve - you and Darkstar make a super point about Tiger being able to compete in a skills challenge.

[@Mike-id7bh]

I agree with Tiger being able to play is a big deal. But not for Tiger as much as the PGA. PGA have been living off Tiger for the last 25yrs. I see this as a continuation of the same style of operation with a few modern tweaks by the PGA. I can't see Tiger has any interest in playing Top Golf, but he would agree if it meant helping save the PGA. The PGA knows if it can get Tiger in front of a TV camera it's a cash cow for them and also connects them to the younger generation. They make it look like it's Rory and Tiger's venture and that keeps the players happy because they can see the PGA giving the player ownership. But not to the tour just a side project. In saying all that I do think it's a good idea. I just have a different idea on the motives.

[@michaelyoung6725]

@@ThinkingManShow while it's fluff advertising, you can see in those Taylor Made skills videos Tiger wants to be 'the guy' who makes shots no one on earth can make -- similar to your local range guy who wants to show he's making the best ball contact...say what you will about Tiger (BTW I agree he wants to own the PGA tour) he's ULTRA competitive and skills challenges are where he is the king.....he can manipulate the ball like none other...so..does he have an aspiration to own the tour...? yes...but, I do think he's a kid at heart that wants to show the world he can hit a 4-iron 100 yards into a bucket two times in a row.

[@futureofmoney5730]

Monday nite Top Golf ...lol

[@commentsboardreferee7434]

Are you ready for some TOP GOOOOLF The jingle is already made.

[@ThinkingManShow]

We can foresee friction and push back from gamblers with their TGL "simulated" golf concept for the drive and iron shots. A simulator is programmed and may or may not produce an honest result from the ball strike. LIV has not announced any such virtual event. Perhaps LIV will get it right for the massive opportunity that is global gambling on golf.

[@mark2kero214]

TmrwSports… turn the M upside down and the W upside down and you get TWRMsport… which is to me TigerWoodRoryMcollroy sports

[@ThinkingManShow]

For sure Mark. It's Tiger and Rory's initials rearranged. Worked out nicely so whatever marketing person / creative came up with that did a good job.

[@mark2kero214]

@@ThinkingManShow well. I said that because they speak of legacy… if they took over the pro tour… that would be LEGENDARY STATUS

[@eddiecaroland1678]

You hit the nail on the head about Eldrick Woods. He wouldn't piss on these other players if they were on fire. Its all about HIM!! This is going to be "stadium golf", with players hitting into a screen or simulator. Legal betting with something that can be manipulated by computer, sounds like a train wreck in the making. You also forgot to mention JP McManus is involved in this venture.

[@Mike-id7bh]

Not sure it went down quite like that. Quite possible that it was thrown together over the last few months. It seems like a good product to me. Interestingly enough it is potentially more damaging to golf itself.

[@stefanmuller9653]

Its actually quite ironic. The players have been upset for years that the PGA tour only caters for the big guns, specifically Tiger. Tiger 10 shots behind, maybe not making the cut? No problem, we will just air every freaking shot of his 3 over par round. Guess what? Tiger and Rory want some stadium skill challenge shit on Mondays. Everyone is all in and it gets the stamp of approval. All that LIV has been accused of is basically getting copied by the PGA and worse...more money and "exhibition". Pretty much laughable.

[@edmoreno6926]

Stroke play is boring for the most part unless there is top players going real low, their is a rivalry of top players or some other drama. Majors are the exception because of the conditions and it would be even better to see tougher scoring conditions during the majors. I also would like to see with technology today as far as streaming goes the option to follow players that I prefer watching the whole round. Today I prefer watching KZbin golf like the guys from GOOD GOOD, it is so entertaining. You get so much more value for your time. Would the pga ever do something as fun as a best ball, scramble or 3 club challenge? How about a bringing back a big break type skills challenge for tour PROS?

[@ThinkingManShow]

Thx Ed. Good points. We def think the whole broadcast concept will move to following each shot of whatever player you choose. Robot cameras, drones, wireless feeds, shot trackers. All fit the gambling model perfectly so there's a huge payoff for going in that direction with video coverage. B-Team puts that idea at the core of the LIV revenue model which TMRW Sports would copy.

[@colnagosuper]

Once upon a time there was Big 3 golf. Nicklaus , Palmer, Player. It was round robin. Passed the microphone around to comment. No media types. Jetting around the world. So skinny production that One of the events was at a course in Hawaii that wasnt finished in time. That was fun. Black and white. Grainy. Really Fun.

[@evanmacwhorter3079]

Tiger being called a narcissist in this episode may anger Tiger fans but if he wasn’t a narcissist, he wouldn’t be Tiger Woods. Any person who is considered the GOAT of their sport, industry etc. requires some level of narcissism. Tiger woods (in his prime) prioritized his golf career over mentoring players, developing relationships and really doing anything for anyone else but himself. Which gave us the chance to see the greatest golfer whose ever lived. So any angry Tiger fans, as a huge Tiger fan myself, I agree he is a narcissist and curious why anyone can dispute that or feel that the need to other than their blind fandom to anything that may paint Tiger in a bad light.

[@matthewmp111]

It's only because Tiger has been such an ass to the LIV players who actually are helping the PGA to wake the 'F" up.

[@ShireTown1824]

Finally some good dialogue about what’s been going on, just subscribed! Thanks for the content🤙🏼

[@deanbayley6960]

So correct Tiger is all for himself

[@algernonwolfwhistle6351]

So this is growing the game worldwide? One of the main benefits of the LIV operation is that they make the effort to go to all parts of the world. I see this a US centric sideshow.

[@DoubleDoglegGolf]

Juicy conversation guys! Tiger is certainly the alpha in the room and I can see a scenario where the PGA Tour is eventually owned by the players if Tiger has any say. At some point down the road, I could also see the PGA tour players & LIV tour players coming together. Just not today.

[@NemoArtics]

Rory doesnt know what an alpha is, tiger is a poser and would run from any fist fight.

[@robertbrown7470]

Tiger is the "owner" of the PGA Tour. If he wants to play more, they'll let him use a golf cart and make an exception for him, one way or another. If I was the PGA, I would. If he went to the PGA Board and said he wanted to run the PGA, guess who would be the next CEO! Goodbye Jay!

[@liongolfacademy]

Completely agree! Would love to have a chat with you about this subject!

[@robertbrown7470]

I don't think Tiger would mis-manage. As far as I know, he has helped all kinds of kids. Even if it is only as a figure head, so what. He's one person that makes a tremendous difference.

[@coobay4786]

Wouldn't be surprised if Tiger's event gets world ranking points. What Tiger wants Tiger gets.

[@ThinkingManShow]

And history is replete with examples of it. Thanks CooBay as always.

[@MrGolferguy13]

I like the way you guys think…

[@ThinkingManShow]

Appreciate that Greg

[@wullieman]

Surely it won’t be tour earnings there making.so wont be classed as tour earnings .

[@oaneschriemer2724]

They used to have skills challenge on tv years ago,nobody cared or watched. So that’s not going to work

[@ericraut8574]

TMRW ... now all that remains...??

[@mrb43605]

Excellent show!

[@ThinkingManShow]

Thanks Robert!

[@seanwallace89]

The PGA tour has handled this so poorly, as has LIV Tour. The LIV tour is NOT compelling from a fans perspective. In fact, the most compelling aspect of it is just watching the PGA Tour's bizarre reaction to its existence. How the PGA Tour has not realized that LIV tour is just existing off of substantial, yet arbitrary money. Their backers are willing to throw tons of money at it for now, cuz that is what Saudis do. When they eventually get bored w the little to no profit on return they pull out and everything dries up and withers. Which is precisely what would have happened if the PGA tour would have just allowed the players to compete on both tours... their stance on ot is completely hypocritical. Even Rory mentioned they allow players on Euro, Asian, Japanese, Sunshine, and Latin American tours to play in dual leagues simultaneously, but what McIlroy didn't mention is that all of those leagues are members of the International Federation of PGA Tours... so they are all in association with or affiliates of the PGA Tour... effectively giving PGA Tour a complete monopoly over the professional golf industry aside from LIV Tour. IMO these are premature and irrational responses and actions by a league and corporation that is clearly desperate to avoid any legitimate competition or challenge to their monopoly on the industry. That authoritarian perspective annoys me by the PGA Tour, especially when it was nowhere near necessary. Honestly, what benefit does the PGA Tour gain by permanently banning players that leave from returning... outside of the (no longer valid) initial threat or deterrence of the ultimatum? Would the PGA Tour and say Dustin Johnson both not stand to benefit in a year if say DJ comes back and says "hey, I made a mistake in leaving. I thought it was best at the time... yadda yadda... Id like to come back full time?" Name recognition, deeper quality player fields, added prestige to the tournaments and league... I just don't understand that decision.

[@ThinkingManShow]

Thoughtful Sean; thanks for commenting. We think the Saudi investment model in LIV relies on new global golf gambling money. Gambling built on top of follow-every-shot streaming video coverage that LIV owns. The streaming video coverage will likely have a paid premium tier offering more shot-tracking data to gamblers. 18 holes with no referees to manipulate outcomes offers a unique betting experience in all of sport. $2-3 billion startup capital could seem like a bargain.

[@seanwallace89]

@@ThinkingManShow good points

[@waltvancourt5052]

Sounds ridiculous, diminishing the game even more. He wouldn't give an interview when he shot a bad round in his heydays.

[@garydavis8213]

Game nerds will love it. I can’t think of anything more boring.

[@robertbrown7470]

HOW DARE YOU question Tiger Woods!!! LOL

[@seanwallace89]

Are we going to ignore the pretentiousness of them just using TIger and Rory's initials to create TMRW? Literally just putting their names on it. Wonder what that cost, cuz they are effectively bought and paid for by the PGA Tour now in this partnership.

[@ThinkingManShow]

That's a good take Sean. Selling the TMRW idea to the rest of the star players (like Spieth) might be easier without using one's initials in the name. The other side one could argue is that the biggest stars are "committed to making it work" evidenced by "putting our name on it". Your theory is more probably correct however given that Tiger has no second thoughts about claiming dominance over all others. Probably never occurred to Tiger that his name could possibly be a negative (ever). Rory just along for the ride and continuing to star gaze at Tiger.

[@seanwallace89]

@@ThinkingManShowits just seeing moves like this that you let you know how desperate the PGA is feeling right now about LIV tour. I dont see this sideshow doing well. It also has to be live for there to be betting on it. Taylormade and others have tried skill challenges before. It's not compelling to watch. The best part of it is getting to see the players actual personality, but I'm not going to watch for that. The reason golf is compelling is cuz thr closer to the end it gets the harder each shot is to execute. Golf doesn't get more compelling than that. I dnt care what shots rory can hit on the range... I want to see him hit it for the win when it matters! I dont think the PGA has a clue about what makes golf compelling for the fans, or they wouldn't be doing this.

[@williamtaylor5193]

More top-down authoritarian behavior and greed. This has nothing to do with what the people/fans want. Golf is nothing without tradition and history. I'm about as interested in watching these guys hit pitch shots in an astroturf stadium as I am watching the WNBA.

[@jameswright7189]

"Cede" power to tiger, not "secede." Sorry, I can't help myself.

[@skipcampbell239]

I LIV golf....

[@jtillison]

You have no idea what you are talking about. Who really cares what you guys think.

[@ThinkingManShow]

Thanks for watching Jim. Please point out where we are wrong and we'll address those points.

[@triathlete954]

I don’t think the players of the PGA really understand what the pros jumping to LIV really did for them. All these changes are because the PGA’s hand was forced.

[@ThinkingManShow]

100% Ian.

[@anthonyrobinson2292]

Thank you Phil

[@bobbys4327]

Yup, their hand was forced by a guy (Phil) that pretty much the rest of them threw under the bus. Now they are all happy the tour pulled million upon millions of $$$$ out of their arse for better prize money. Fools out to be thinking: why did the tour have all this money (player's money basically) available? Why weren't the purses larger before the bruhaha?

[@yami4277]

Remember Rory never cared about the money LOL

[@ThinkingManShow]

: )

[@matthewmp111]

legacy and pride for him only

[@matthewmp111]

For real--the low tier players who will now be guaranteed 500k/year plus travel expenses should build a shrine to Phil and Greg. Can you even fathom how much all the heat they took/take has benefited the low-rung guys? Forget that goofball Rory who is really only out for himself and his bank account, Phil and Greg have actually changed the game for the players who aren't household names, and they are changing the game for good, just like they said they would.

[@ThinkingManShow]

Well said MatthewDean.

[@holysmoker10]

Not sure how that 500K pays out, sounds good but how do the guys qualify for that money? If every player in the top 150 -200 guaranteed $500k that’s 75-100 million where’s that money coming from? Jay says a lot of things, but never gives specific information on just what he’s saying.

[@matthewmp111]

@@holysmoker10 Well he put it out there so let’s hope he makes good on it. It sure is a lot of money to be paid every year that they supposedly didn’t have before lol

[@dan_2584]

Isn’t it ironic that all of these things are happening within the last month?

[@ThinkingManShow]

For sure Dan. LIV handed Mike McCarley and the TMRW crew a once in a lifetime opportunity. Without LIV grabbing players, TMRW is just a side business.

[@dan_2584]

@@ThinkingManShow Phil mickelson’s stock has gone up over the last couple days. He has been talking about this for years

[@SiLoMixMaster]

It honestly sounded like the idea was half baked at best and thrown together in the past 2 months, that press conference with Rory and his marketing buddy was a total disaster, Rory didn't have a clue what the details were and the marketing guy was bluffing most of the answers for the questions that the press were asking. Jan 2024 is still a long way off, so it wouldn't even surprise me if this ended up not happening at all, it could mainly just be a ploy to get less players to jump ship to LIV. Rory has been lying all year and flip flopping, so why would that change now? The lesser known PGA Tour players shouldn't trust him IMO.

[@ThinkingManShow]

Yep SiLo, LIV accelerated the plan so the details got rushed; agreed. Also the launch got moved up to 18 months which really isn't long in corporate start-up world. We think it's been percolating for 2 years or so considering they have announced investors - who would need a pitch deck and offering. But the revenue share with the PGA Tour has been changed 180 degrees. Link to TMRW press conf on what the first product looks like: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYDalZl9epKNmJo

[@alanmarais7313]

Sorry guys the horse 🐎 has bolted already and it's called Liv golf.

[@futureofmoney5730]

Tiger Woods can't wait to replace Monahan and get a plant for tht position before he buys it!!

[@simonbagel]

I wonder if Rory and Tiger will team up again to remove all the knives they jammed into Phil's back.

[@steveh4595]

One of Pat Perez's comments about Jordan Spieth when he went to LIV was that his long game is nothing special relative to PGA Tour averages. It reminded me of a stat Spieth maintained during his Majors winning streak during the first several years on Tour. He could make 25-30% of his putts outside of 15 feet, a freak achievement even among the best in the world.. That's a 99th percentile type statistic which means his Major winning days are most likely more behind than in front of him.

[@ThinkingManShow]

Right on Steve. His long putting may never be seen again in all of golf. His long iron game at that time was also top of Tour. Lethal combination.

[@billmoyer3254]

@@ThinkingManShow Cue Cam Smith!

[@NemoArtics]

monday night clown golf and tiger will be wearing a big red nose, and rory the jester will be hailing tw with the word alpha every now and then...

[@JeffW2000]

Will Tiger teach us how to drive a car?

[@matthewmp111]

Tiger should never be allowed to get behind the wheel of a car again.

[@jimmyculp8756]

Why cannot the PGA Tour yust say thank you to Liv Golf for opening out wide-closed eyes?

[@garydavis8213]

Tiger will demand these “tournaments” be classified as majors so he’s still got a chance to surpass Jack’s record. Lol

[@gh4121-b5n]

Well the WGC’s and their No Cuts enabled him to get past the magic number of 132 straight cuts made if I remember correctly

[@ThinkingManShow]

Nice call Gary. lol

[@samharoon3988]

Guys I can’t believe Rory is the spoken for the PGA, instead he should be supporting the ravaged European tour after all he is from Ireland the goes for all European born players.

[@matthewmp111]

Rory has always ran towards the big money. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but he is a phony. How he has become the mouthpiece and some sort of moral compass for the PGA is beyond me.

[@ThinkingManShow]

Yes Sam.........we hear that from Euro based golf fans. They say Rory has abandoned the people who brought him up into pro golf.

[@raindogred]

the writings on the wall. young players don't care about pga or liv, they especially don't care about Tiger and Rory..they barely know who they are. they care about Good Good, Bob does sports, Rick Shiels etc, The pga greed with their exclusive ppv have made themselves redundant with younger generation..they don't have ppv money and big screens..they have youtube and phones and small attention spans. As if old school tv exectives are your go to guys..aern't they redundant too

[@jcmoye1]

Young players don’t buy expensive golf equipment, they are not the consumers of all the sponsors and commercials of the PGA. They are after middle aged older demographics.

[@scrout]

TMRW is grasping at straws, forced innovation is usually poor. Tiger and Rory's ability to be likeable and have chemistry is zero. But watching a screen that has another screen on it sounds great..🤡

[@ThinkingManShow]

Good one Scrout. "screen watching a screen" appeals to video gamers but not sure how many of them care about golf.

[@pastafazoule]

What gets me sick people are starving in this country,they can’t even unionize by companies that advertise on golf channel,networks,pga and we are worried about millionaire golfers making more money,it’s disgraceful. Wake up people because eventually we will pay for this with more expensive cable bills

[@waynehughes8824]

Golf is now in a very unique spot in history, The Technology exists to have Simulated Golf courses in every school in America. The School just needs a 12 x 12 x 12 room and a GCQuad, or a Trackman or any of the other half dozen golf simulators that are on the market now, that are getting cheaper and better every year. I can only imagine how that would grow the game of golf… it could be a major advantage for mining Golf Talent, from elementary school all the way up to high school and even at the college level. It would be wonderful if we had a collaboration between the PGA and other Golf Lovers to help create and fund the initiative to get golf in every school district or .... Every School. We have the technology to do this now. Imagine if during gym class you take the kids to the simulator, two or three at a time, have them hit 10 to 12 golf balls, and see who naturally can hit the sweet spot, who naturally has very good distance, etc. You could identify natural golf talent at a early age, just like we do with other sports like basketball, football etc. I could also imagine that golf club companies like Titleist, Cobra and Mizuno might want to say that the school district uses our clubs it can produce the same kind of buzz and passion that happen with basketball shoes back in the late 70s and early 80s

[@ThinkingManShow]

Good thinking Wayne. If they're fun enough, simulator facilities would also dramatically lower the cost of playing golf and at the same time cut the total time to play by 50% or more.

[@whenmullet2674]

@@ThinkingManShow For sure, lets keep those kids indoors and keep all physical exertion out of the process. Why not just make all sports sim games so kids can keep getting fatter and less healthy.

[@bobbygoodman2875]

Eldrick is superhuman, super bright, super nice, super generous, super personable, super moral, super loyal. Hell, he should take over the US and become President of the United States. When WEF succeeds, Eldrick can become the Leader of all mankind. Then, when he passes away...make him a Saint. Now we're talk'n! Oh, do the same for another beautiful person, Michael Jordan. He's flzwless and a perfect role model too.

[@tonydee3978]

Wether rory or tiger are involved in whatever they think, it's not going to change much as to if players want to go play somewhere else, nobody wanted to listen a lot of players concerns, I also don't see rory or tiger promoting golf when they only play the tournaments they want to play in 🤔🤔

[@coobay4786]

I might watch IF I have absolutely nothing else to do. I'd rather trim my toe nails, mow my grass, etc. before wasting my time watching that crap.

[@alanshott9587]

Don't even care to watch them on TV anymore why would I watch them play in a simulator or a skill challenge talk about boring

[@billskelton3701]

PGA did not die, it committed suicide by acting like Gods and trying to smite LIV rather than listening and behaving like gentlemen

[@stephenzok7652]

T = Tiger, M = McIlroy, R = Rory, W = Woods…….Just noticed someone else commented the same.

[@marklewis9875]

Rory has a big mouth. hes so immature and full of himself.

[@henniebogan1966]

What fascinates me about the pro-Liv supporters is how most of them spend more of their time criticizing the PGA Tour instead of promoting their product in positive ways. Logic would dictate that IF you have a truly groundbreaking, and innovative product that the bulk of your time (if not all of it) would be spent promoting your own product.

[@robertbrown7470]

It isn't their product. If that were correct, I'd be the first to agree. Problem is it is the PGA that is doing really stupid but understandable at an animalistic level (I'm threated, I'm going to lash out, etc.). That's what these guys are talking about. I have nothing against the PGA but they are shooting themselves in their feet and probably other body parts. At least the PGA hasn't shot itself in the head ..... yet!

[@alistairtaylor3077]

Sounds like something the mob might be interested in

[@holysmoker10]

Merge LIV & PGA Just like NFL and AFL Play head to head, top 30-40 at the end of the year play elimination golf. Maybe 5-6 tournaments. Whittle it down to say 12 on each side then play a Ryder Cup event to prove which side is best. Then the team that wins , players go head to head to see who’s the best. No made up drama, best of the best playing it out to prove who actually is. No BS handicap score as I. The FedX Cup. Straight up golf with rules we all understand.

[@alanshott9587]

Don't even care to watch them on TV anymore why would I watch them play in a simulator or a skill challenge talk about boring

[@ThinkingManShow]

Nice point Alan.

[@gh4121-b5n]

Interesting the Big players meeting just happened to be the one that Cam Smith just happened to skip. As for TW’s new gig I can’t imagine Nike Not having anything to do with it. Imagine those poor Nike slave laborers in China now having to do Extra duty. As for the younger generation getting involved that won’t last long. The attention span is very short to say the least when the programming gets stale, and it will.

[@ThinkingManShow]

Thanks Guy. Note in the photo opp TMRW put out (and we used in our thumbnail), all three men are wearing Nike logo. Tiger and Rory are their guys so easy to imagine Nike ventures being one of the early or earliest investors.

[@mineshjogia9945]

@@ThinkingManShow A Sneaky Nike take over of the PGAT maybe?

[@tko9624]

Couldn't agree more.

[@henniebogan1966]

Sometimes I get the sense this show is more parody than serious commentary. LoL

[@robertbrown7470]

Why? Are you just saying that for effect?

[@robertbrown7470]

TMRW is piggybacking on the LIV and all the publicity from the PGA war against the LIV and all of that fallout, good and bad. It's the most exciting thing I've seen in Golf since Tiger Woods hit the scene. And it is about money. Personally, anytime I see a pro golfer and I'm curious, like he wins a tournament, the first thing I do is to look up the tournament payouts. No question about it, and why not? I see these young players, like Cameron Champ, a long ball hitter, only been on the tour for four years I think now. He is only 2nd in Driving Distance to Rory McIlroy in 2019 and 2020 and I think he's in the top 10 in 2021 and 2022. He's also the pro at a local golf course where he helps kids that can't afford golf, to get the opportunity. If I'm a teenager and looking at the career winnings of the young players on the PGA Tour, I'd be looking for a way to get in on it. Translates to more young people playing Golf. Then you see upcoming players like Micah Morris, 5 foot 8 inches and hits the ball as far as Rory and Cameron Champ. Gives me hope! I've been 5' 8" for a long time. I'd like to hit anywhere close to 300'. Used to hit my longest drive around 210. Now at 65 I think I could hit it 250 yards plus with all the great instruction out there that was not accessible decades ago. The amount of money these young PGA pros are making is fantastic. Imagine a guy in his mid to late twenties making $7.5 Million in just four years! Wow!

[@holysmoker10]

Can’t imagine golf fans watching others play miniature golf!🤣😅

[@gh4121-b5n]

Believe or not years ago there used to be Tourneys on tv at Putt Putt courses.

[@ThinkingManShow]

The virtual elements may not align with gambling. That is a real risk. A simulator is programmed so not trustworthy. One would think that Mike McCarley is busy setting up product tests with focus groups. Would not surprise us at all if their idea gets changed or replaced entirely by Jan 2024.

[@holysmoker10]

Yes and due to ratings they no longer covers them.

[@mineshjogia9945]

@@ThinkingManShow Yep, absolutely ripe for rigging.

[@robertbrown7470]

Tiger's nearly a billionaire and is as big as Golf and the PGA and the LIV. I'm interested to see if Tiger incorporates golfers from around the world and not just the U.S. but.... who knows?

[@robertbrown7470]

Tiger is 1st in tour wins at 82, tied with Sam Sneed. Most likely he will break that in the next year or two. I can't believe how Tiger was swinging and hitting his drives, like a kid in his twenties. Amazing with all of his injuries. That was in July.

[@viking00777777]

You bozo’s seem to forget Tiger has built a eduction foundation since day one of his pro career. Tell your verbal vomit to all his kids who he helped and all his employees who teach and administrate there. Open your minds before you open you month maybe.

[@santiagoego1825]

I am not going to watch golfers play video games

[@santiagoego1825]

Or maybe i will 🤣

[@ThinkingManShow]

Thx SantiagoE............we too are a bit skeptical of a virtual golf product. However, it is worth testing. No need to guess. LIV has not said anything about virtual (thus far) and that is interesting. We also suspect virtual golf won't do well with gamblers in general because it's a computer that can be manipulated to produce a certain result. If virtual golf fails TMRW can simply change to another format. They didn't create the company to make a couple of extra dollars. They're doing it to take over the PGA Tour over time.

[@mauricemoore6679]

MONAHAN WON'T LIKE THAT MUCH ESPECIALLY IF HE'S NOT IN CHARGE OF THE MONEY

[@DE6enAp3]

Would be awesome if the tech partner was Inrange Golf!

[@ShireTown1824]

I bet TMRW golf starts a Jr. League for kids aswell

[@wullieman]

So what about players that won’t be invited . Mmm

[@henniebogan1966]

Open Champions are exempt until age 60. U.S. Open Champions receive a 10 year exemption. Masters Champions receive exemptions until the tournament informs them. (60? 65?)

[@robertbrown7470]

What is the answer and why are you asking this question? If you are over 60 and want to qualify for the Senior Open, I'm with you 100%!

[@travishimself1973]

Not sure I agree with your views on Speith. He's not much of a marketing machine. Very vanilla like JT. The Vijays of current golf. No way 1/4 bill for Speith at Liv. 60 tops

[@ThinkingManShow]

Thx Travis.........appreciate your take. We think Spieth is the most popular PGA Tour player with the older TV demographic; without which there is no TV revenue; without which there is no PGA Tour. So if LIV had gotten Spieth, it would have meaningfully damaged the core TV appeal of the PGA Tour while elevating the appeal of LIV to the older demo.

[@garylucas7050]

Sounds like a borefest

[@seang3538]

the sarcasm is not flattering, gets old quickly after multiple examples per minute!

[@ThinkingManShow]

Thanks Sean. Can you give us a couple of time stamp examples? We do use some sarcasm for sure but not our core style. Pointing out stupidity, dishonesty or harmful intent is more our wheelhouse.

[@stefanmuller9653]

On the point of just letting the John Deere, 3M etc events go and have 15 or 20 big events...what about creating a second tier league for the rest which would basically be a much elevated Korn Ferry? Like 1st Division football. Have a bigger promotion/relegation between the two

[@HTHAMMACK1]

By the way, Greg Norman is one of the most self-centered people on the planet. Did Phil Mickelson need another 200 million when he already had 400 million? No. Did Dustin Johnson? No!

[@gerryswaim5650]

What these two NON THINKING MEN seem to completely discount is that this venture is in NO WAY in competition with the PGA. They sound as if they want the PGA to fold and LIV to be the only golf around. WHAT DO THEY WANT, AN END TO CHARITY? And who the hell are they?

[@ThinkingManShow]

Gerry Swaim.............thank you for adding your thoughts. How do you figure TMRW is not competition for the PGA Tour? It is not competing for tournaments (true if that's your angle), it's going to compete for control of the PGA Tour itself (that's our point). Think of TMRW as a couple of new board members on the PGA Tour's board of directors. With success and profitability, TMRW will have support and loyalty from the top players. With that support and loyalty, a friendly or hostile takeover (if needed) of the Tour becomes an option for TMRW. The PGA Tour is helpless without the support of the top players. That is why the Tour folded so quickly in its fight against LIV and added hundreds of millions of dollars to tournament purses - in a blink.

[@gerryswaim5650]

@@ThinkingManShow That money added to the players, who already make a great living, just means less for the charities the PGA HELPS. Yes, if all any of the golfers are about is more and more money, then destroy the PGA and all hail the Saudi's. I've been watching golf since Arnold Palmer was a you man and have loved the charity aspect. I just think that anything that has been that great for that long should not have to die simply because the Saudis have money to throw away. And I also think it is extremely cynical to believe Tiger and Rory are just out for money at the expense of the tour. They could be just helping the PGA survive.

[@ThinkingManShow]

Gerry S..........understood. Tiger has no track record of helping anyone but Tiger. We are making a business observation that he is not doing TMRW to help anyone other than himself. That's just who he is; good or bad is in the eye of the beholder. Business interests and charity do not have to be at odds. Arnold Palmer started the PGA Tour for money; specifically to take money away from the PGA of America and deliver it to the players. You know this as it sounds as if you watched it happen in 1968. Why does pro golf need to have only one "league" in all the world? Why didn't the PGA Tour welcome competition from LIV Golf and rise to the occasion? It could have but it folded almost immediately when LIV had staged only 2 tournament; ever. Why did the Tour feel it needed to do that? If the Tour was an ideal place to work, no one would leave or elect to play with a competitive league.

[@Kevin-l4]

Tiger using Rory to leverage everyone. Rory has PGAT and DPWT and Ryder Cup over a barrel . He is driving it in the direction that benefits him and ultimately tiger. In the 90s AP done exactly the same when he killed the world tour and benefited thru his own intrests.

[@ThinkingManShow]

Kevin 14.............that is right on. Arnold destroyed Greg's idea when he strategically chose to walk out of the meeting. We wonder why Greg didn't expect that to happen (Arnold would never go along with a threat to what he created).

[@Kevin-l4]

@@ThinkingManShow that's in part true . He also had motive as he went and started the Golf Channel . Tiger and Rory are doing the same to promote there own interests. When players like Rory are giving you sound bites so caustic so often someone is feeding it in there ear . It's hard nowadays to get a unbiased opinion on anything . LIV is passed the tipping point its here to stay and players will choose sides depending on how it benefits there own personal wealth . More are going . It 6 months we could be looking at a different golfing landscape. Sponsors and money decide most .

[@ThinkingManShow]

Kevin............agree with your thinking. Do message us as often as you can. www.ThinkingManShow.com has a form you can use to join our "Conversations" via email.

[@edmoreno6926]

I also prefer the comments from the players and caddies while golfing. The commentators in golf are a distraction and offer very little to the entertainment.

[@lindapowell117]

You dudes do a lot of complaining. Just fools.

[@ThinkingManShow]

How about a couple of time stamp examples Linda? Here's one for you: 15:28 TMRW Might Be a Brilliant Move

[@iflgames3245]

Master stroke? more like a gimmick.

[@ThinkingManShow]

Thank you iFL Games...............the show format may be a gimmick, sure, but we think using TMRW Sports as step 1 of taking over the PGA Tour is the master stroke. If TMRW has more top players loyal to it than does the PGA Tour, it takes over the Tour.

[@jimmerhardy]

This kind of deep golf business talk is unique, heady and a kick.

[@ThinkingManShow]

Thx Jimmer Hardy - appreciate that.

[@kevinmcguire1049]

You guys need to go for a long walk in the daylight😁 and not let your imaginations run wild. You asked a question - why did Jack and Arnie setup the structure to run the PGA Tour? It's very simple - it's a lot of hard, time consuming, boring work to run the Tour, and the players would rather focus on playing golf, designing courses, building their legacies etc. That's why Jay Monahan and the rest exist to take the day to day work of running the business on behalf of the players so they can focus on their priorities. Golf needs to evolve so that it remains relevant to existing and future golfers and viewers while retaining and protecting its history and traditions. If professional golf descends into 'Hit and giggle golf ' then Tigers and every players legacy becomes worthless and its simply about the money and just another niche sport. The game would then become less attractive to sponsors, and without them professional Tour Golf would not survives as we know it.

[@ThinkingManShow]

Thanks Kevin. In our view, not "hard or time consuming" to be a shareholder. The owners hire a team to run the company day-to-day. The move by Arnie and Jack back in 1968 is very interesting to us. We'll do more research and report back to you in a new episode.

[@sarelvanderwalt5219]

As Alan Shipnick mentioned, its highly likely that the financial & commercial backers for TMRW Sports is private equity & sports mngt companies.

[@ThinkingManShow]

And Nike perhaps. Others may invest as the product matures or it could just fall apart. We'll be watching it for signals.

[@Ddelsasso]

It’s about spectator numbers. PGA has done a very good job with that. The PGA will adapt.

[@ThinkingManShow]

Thanks for commenting DD.....very possible the PGA Tour stays on top of pro golf. We'll see. No question the only reason they've done a 180 on the wraparound season and now much bigger money to the players - including travel expense reimbursement - is LIV. Perhaps effective defense but they need proactive offense as well. This TMRW Sports separate company that investors and players own is likely the bigger threat to the PGA Tour continuing to exist as-is.

[@perryseehoe590]

Didnt they try that 30 years ago

[@stephencwilson8151]

Is this going to be on TV or computer?

[@ThinkingManShow]

Good question Stephen. TMRW has said they have no broadcast partner yet and they're working on it. We think they will partner with NBC Sports / Golf Channel to broadcast their virtual golf team competition events. Remember, Mike McCarley is from NBC Sports and ran the Golf Channel until one year ago so he knows everyone there.

[@FRVELA]

One of the most boring, depressing podcasts. I tuned in 3 times and I’m out. Tiger hating and PGA hating is disproportionate.

[@ThinkingManShow]

Fernando - disproportionate to what? We're looking at the facts and logic of how this saga is playing out and then giving you that viewpoint.

[@6-4-3gaming3]

LIV players take your free money and leaves. Stay gone and don’t try to sue your way back on the much better competition golf the pga tour!

[@JeffW2000]

Make sure you don't watch one stroke of LIV golf. We don't want close minded PGA ball washers as fans anyway.

[@dickdavidson3616]

The Angry Man Show.

[@ThinkingManShow]

Thanks DD. We can't agree with you on that one. This is a show about the merits.