New TINY HOUSE Wood Stove | Breaking In My Jotul 602

It's been a long time coming, but I finally got a new wood stove for my tiny house. The Jotul 602 isn't exactly an unknown quantity. I've used it many times in other people's houses and I love it. It's pretty much the smallest wood stove on the market so it's pretty popular for the small houses at Dancing Rabbit Ecovillage. And I'm pretty sure the Norwegians can be counted on for their expertise in heating a space with wood. If you are heating a small house or single room this is a reliable and attractive stove. You do have to break them in before you can use them to their full capacity, and that's what I'm up to in this video.
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[@ArcolaBridge]

A wood fire gives a home soul.

[@bridalveillodge]

Love our jotul and looking to add a smaller one in our cottage.

[@dianner6637]

Hi Dan, thanks for posting this video. In my opinion, the value of seeing the fire through the glass window has always been a huge plus. As simple as it may sound, just watching the flames through the window makes me feel warmer than just feeling the heat through the cast iron. You made a good choice and I hope you enjoy many hours in front of the fire.

[@HardcoreSustainable]

Thanks Dianne. I agree that the window makes the experience so much nicer.

[@OldSchoolPrepper]

being warm can save your life and your sanity, totally worth $1K!

[@HardcoreSustainable]

That's true. pretty key to survival, though most of my heating comes from passive solar.

[@samTollefson]

Back in the 70's I had a store selling and installing woodstoves, at that time I was the farthest West and South dealer for Jotul stoves. ( the distributer was in Portland, Maine) The Jotuls were so expensive they were a hard sell in my rural area, a very good copy of the 602 was made by an Irish company called Reginald and was priced so people could afford them, I sold a lot of them. I still heat my house with a Jotul combi-fire #4, one of the best stoves made, it still has the original gasket. By the way, the best glue for stove gasket material is plain egg white, weird to handle but holds great after a heat cycle. A little-known fact about Jotul stoves is the exterior surface stippling increases the radiant surface area up to 30% helping to give you more heat in the room and less loss up the flue, something the steel stoves can't do. Good luck with that great little stove!

[@HardcoreSustainable]

I didn't know those things. Thanks for the info!

[@mikelinniii1186]

Our main source of heat for 12 years was a jotul wood stove always was cozy inside

[@DanaMite]

We love our little Jotul 118 and it heats our small house in the Sierra Nevada mts. Bought it used off craigslist many years ago for a deal $140 and then we refurbished it and installed it ourselves.

[@HardcoreSustainable]

Wow, that's a great buy. They are so hard to find used. I love mine now years later.

[@carolynclark588]

Can't'wait to get a wood stove...nothing like the warmth of a fire and watching the embers glow .... love your home enjoyed the video.

[@HardcoreSustainable]

yes, it is a pleasant experience you can't get from central heating. Glad you liked the video.

[@johnambro7181]

Awesome little burner, you will find a lot less smoke upon lighting a fire by placing the larger pieces at the base, and watch the flame radiate to the bottom. A very efficient low smoke burn. Cheers. And enjoy the Jotul.

[@marketingcostablanca]

Thanks mate!

[@andersjakobsen9906]

Jøtul 602 is maybe the most sold oven in the world. Looks almost the same as in 1940. What you smell is the stuff they blackens the oven with and a tiny bit of oil. The next time you lit a fire with the oven standing outside. Just to burn it clean. I changed the price here in Norway. Just for fun, and there is a discount on it right now (in the middle of the summer) $1052 normal is $1450 So I think it was a good price.

[@markuspenttinen7097]

the smoke is only in the beginning when its new, they put oil on it from the faktory, proteckt from start roasting.

[@greenghopper]

we own a Jotul Oslo....been very please with it.

[@eddygoodwin7089]

I built a little 8x14 cabin and I found one of these for $500 that wasn't used, I was thrilled to put it in. They are great little stoves.

[@HardcoreSustainable]

That's a great deal!

[@tevisoo7]

Would the stove be overkill if it was installed in a Mercedes camper?

[@eddygoodwin7089]

@@tevisoo7 yea it would run you out, theres a stove called cubic mini that would probably be better for that.

[@HardcoreSustainable]

@@tevisoo7 it's for 600 sq ft.

[@joshober2386]

I’m looking into a stove for my 11x12 cabin. How’d this one work out for your space? I’m kind of worried it would overheat my house, although the winters here in New Mexico at 8000ft get pretty frigid.

[@litchoutside9812]

Nice stove- I put one in a cabin bunk room a few years back at a camp I volunteer at. Super happy with the performance but watch long logs and the door glass. The kids using the cabin shut the door on wood and broke the glass. $$$. BTW- gotta keep the home brew warm and not better way!

[@HardcoreSustainable]

Yes, that happened to a friend of mine too. She didn't want to spend over $100 for a little piece of glass so she just covered it with metal. Kind of takes a lot away from it that way though. Just gotta be careful. You mean you were doing the initial heating of the wort on the wood stove?

[@davidt6849]

Great little stove, mine (602 eco) heats my 5 bedroom house in a north western European winter easily, consuming about 10kg of wood a day. Best stove I ever had

[@benrogers354]

This is winter has been a little rough, big swings in temp and lots of snow and ice here in NW MO. If you have any pallet shops nearby they have lots of waste including high grade sawdust and wood scraps they will usually give away.

[@HardcoreSustainable]

Yes. We have some mills near us that make pallets and we can get good cut off chunks and other waste wood for heating our houses. We also get the sawdust we use for our humanure system from these mills. You can also use waste pallets from grocery stores or other businesses that get a lot of shipments on one time use pallets. I process them for firewood as long as they aren't treated wood.

[@mickm5097]

Also check places that import marble. Marble slabs are shipped in big wood frames to keep them stable, which are usually cut apart and thrown into a dumpster. Some of this wood is hardwood, some of it is more similar to 2x4 quality.

[@stihl3826]

It’s the pain5 curing during 1st few burn8ngs

[@davejalenderki]

Thanks for an awesome video. I just puchased the 602v2 today and look forward to using it. How about a recipe for that wine you have there? Great video, thanks again.

[@HardcoreSustainable]

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. Good luck with the 602. They are fun and warm. I'll have to watch the vid again to see which wine it was.

[@anerioone]

the caulk will smell at first as well as any stove paint etc.

[@dalesworld1308]

You don't want your wine and beer carboys to get too warm - you may want to keep them away from the stove. When I put my Vermont Castings Intrepid in I would sit in front of it at night and peruse the Burpee catalog and listen to the radio. You can keep yourself happy without a lot of stuff.

[@michaelo1492]

I’ve been to Memphis MO. I live in southeast Iowa !

[@HardcoreSustainable]

Well, howdy neighbor! You should come visit Dancing Rabbit Ecovillage on one of our tour days during the season.

[@johnhill1629]

I'm gonna write a a Beatles knock-off song about your new heater. I'm going to call it "Norwegian Wood Stove".

[@HardcoreSustainable]

Nice! I never put that together.

[@lesleyharris3198]

Hi, I wanted a real fire for the living room but hubby said no, just because of my disability i wouldn't be able to get a fire going myself or cleaan up after, i know he's right but i like real fires

[@AStanton1966]

I don't know if this is too late. I would go for the stove. If you live in a cold climate and lose power during winter, a wood stove can be a life/house saver--no frozen pipes to worry about.

[@maryrock9136]

Did you buy this stove from the Amish store you visited on the road trip you filmed a while back?

[@HardcoreSustainable]

You mean the one where I went to Lehman's? No, I got this stove in September. But Lehman's has tons of different wood stove models.

[@mickm5097]

The Waterford you had is a copy of the earlier, pre-epa Jotul stoves, without the secondary burn tubes. Jotul inspired a number of companies to make almost exact knock offs of the 602 some decades back with varying quality of cast iron, and the Waterford (made in Ireland) was one of the best examples. I'd imagine it was pretty much the equal of the old 602. The new 602s are more efficient because of the burn tubes that reburn what might otherwise be wasted smoke, but there is less room inside the firebox. They say the older models were easy to overheat to the point of the metal glowing if you didn't watch how open the damper was, whereas the new epa models are much more controlable. I really like these small wood stoves, wish we had the selection that they offer in the UK. Some are like functional works of art. But with the availability of wood in the US, most people want large and big heat output over small and efficient.

[@HardcoreSustainable]

Thanks for all the great info! I didn't know all that though I knew the new Jotul had the reburner. Everything in the US is about being wasteful and big, which is I think why we are falling behind the rest of the world in so many areas. In many ways, making things more sustainable makes them better, such as with the new Jotul design being superior to the old overheating version. Some people who used to live here had a squirrel stove and that seemed like kind of a work of art.

[@mickm5097]

@@HardcoreSustainable Yes, I agree. Smaller and more efficient just works better. Usually, particularly in the US, we only embrace that efficiency when it gets prohibitively expensive to continue to be wasteful, as was the case in the mid 70s, when oil prices surged and insulation, wood stoves and space heaters became popular, instead of using gallons and gallons of heating oil daily to heat a whole house, and 30 mpg small cars became more popular than the previous 12 mpg models. Morso, which I believe is also a Norwegian company, makes the squirrel stoves, and they really are neat looking. A lot more rare in the US than Jotul for some reason. Someone locally has a Morso 2B listed for $700- I don't have a need for it nor the extra $ to buy it, but it is a really nice looking stove w a small fire window,

[@mickm5097]

Morso stoves are made in Denmark- knew it was somewhere in Scandinavia .

[@petergriffin1546]

Thanks for the video. Is that the adapter that came with stove and is it a no drip version?

[@HardcoreSustainable]

Do you mean the stove pipe connector?

[@petergriffin1546]

@@HardcoreSustainable yes . Some i see go inside so creosote drips in..but not sure.

[@HardcoreSustainable]

@@petergriffin1546 To clean it out I take the pipe off and vacuum out all the ash because it will just collect in the top there.

[@petergriffin1546]

Some Jotul dont have a gasket at top of the glass door to help with air wash maybe?

[@paulkube5338]

Indeed our new purchased 2021 Jotul F 602 V2 manual says: "The top of the glass is not gasketed. This allows a small amount of air to enter through that area to help keep the glass clean."

[@JeffreyHarrington]

How did you locate the stove? I'm interested but don't see a dealer near me.

[@HardcoreSustainable]

If you go to the Jotul site they should have a tool for finding a dealer near you. I actually don't remember where I found this place. Probably was from their website. Maybe that's where you looked.

[@wobdee1]

Have any updates on your stove? Hows it working out? Burn times?

[@HardcoreSustainable]

I really like the stove, especially being able to see through the window. It works really well for heating my house.

[@woodspirit98]

What about burn time? Will it still have coals in the morning after 8 hours?

[@j.hanleysmith8333]

I'm curious why you went for the wood stove over rocket mass? Cool stove!

[@HardcoreSustainable]

I like that it's small, and it really effectively heats my house quickly. I don't have to keep wood burning in it for a while because it heats the space and I'm sure some of the heat is absorbed by my earthen walls and floor. I've not been super impressed with the rocket mass stoves I've seen because they tend to take a long time to heat the mass and the space is not heated quickly. I've even seen some poorly designed ones that you have to feed for hours before the heat even reaches the space in the house through all the thermal mass. You can design one to be more efficient, but they will likely take up a lot of space. I only have to light my wood stove and keep wood in it for an hour or so to heat up my whole house. Then I don't have to light it again for 6 hrs or so if it's a really cold night, and during the day on a sunny day I don't need to light it at all. I think an efficient house can hold heat for a long time so there is less likelihood of huge temperature swings. I guess it helps to have a passive solar house too during the day. In my experience, sometimes heating up mass is overhyped and bordering on pseudoscience in the rocket stove enthusiast community. If the heat in the mass is not reaching the living space to heat it or it takes a lot of fuel to heat the mass, it can waste more fuel than just heating the air in the space directly. The mass has to be heated before it can reach the living space, but part of the mass surrounds the stove pipe or the outlet for the heat, so you are still losing a lot of that heat to the outside. And thermal mass prevents heat from reaching the inside of the house during the time you are heating it. It can take a while for the heat (which is coming from the stovepipe side of the thermal mass) to reach the living space, and if it never does, essentially all your heat is going up the chimney. Also, according to the second law of thermodynamics heat will flow more to the colder side of the thermal mass, so unless the stove is kept fed and hot, it will likely be sending more heat out from the thermal mass to the outside, or the side the stove pipe is on. I think the flywheel effect of rocket mass heaters is potentially useful in regulating the temperature in the space and especially overnight, but I'm not convinced rocket mass heaters are more efficient in many ways. I'm going to be posting a video soon about a rebuild of the Skyhouse rocket mass heater that should be interesting. Skyhouse is a huge house, so I think it makes sense for them. And the new build has an exposed metal drum to allow some immediate heating of the space.

[@j.hanleysmith8333]

@@HardcoreSustainable Thanks for such an in-depth reply! It seems obvious to me that the bottom of the mass be insulated from the ground and outside walls, but I rarely see this in design. I was wondering if the metal barrel design addresses the issue of heating the air immediately, but I see that it does. Thanks for posting these videos! I am still a few years away from an off grid situation (renting and going to school in a city) but am always trying to be more sustainable and look forward to heating with wood someday!

[@SaintCoemgen]

@@HardcoreSustainable Actually, there are plenty or sources that show that mass heaters are more efficient than iron stoves (a simple Google search). And by efficient, this includes the fact that the higher heat means not only a cleaner burn of the wood (ego more environmentally "friendly"), but also more recovery of released heat due to the capture of heat from the hot gas along the path in the stove; captured heat which can be released in to the living space rather than up the chimney. But, yes, they take time to "charge" the space. They do not provide quick heat. The burn cycle is different, starting with by charging them, and the house, in the fall. And they need to be designed properly to allow the mass to release the heat into the living space, including adding and controlling dampers that keep the heat in the mass, not let it go up the chimney (home made rocket mass heaters may not be properly built for best efficiency). I live now in Europe, where mass heaters are more the norm (the "rocket stove idea" is not new at all). Centuries of experiences let people to build mass heaters over other types of heating when wood heating. But mass heaters do require a mass and large surface area. And in small houses, that mass (and surface area) often can take up a lot of living space to reach the required efficiency. Thus, mass heaters can consume too much living space in some cases. Ergo, may not be an ideal solution in all cases. When renovating our small house, we talked to a lot of local experts on mass heaters here, and they all said the size we needed would be so large I started to realize a great deal of our living space would be used up by the stoves. So decided to go with more modern stoves. Yes, they do use more wood (compared to people I know here who do have mass heaters), but our house is made of stone, and so it, itself, acts as a mass heater to some extent. So it was a compromise. Or in short.... I think you have the right stove for wood heating in a tiny house.

[@HardcoreSustainable]

@@SaintCoemgen Thanks for your in depth explanation. I think the dampers strategically located are a great way to prevent the heat from the thermal mass escaping out the chimney. I've never seen them on rocket mass heaters here in the US. I only just saw your comment for some reason, so that's why the late response.

[@sgorneau]

What is smoking outside of the stove at 6:22 ? Is that sealant burning off?

[@HardcoreSustainable]

I don't know what it is for sure, but if you watch the entire video I actually talk about that and part of the video is me explaining the off-gassing process. It could have been the sealant burning, or it could have been smoke from the fire coming out of a gap in the stove.

[@jeffducklow3002]

Hi, I'm wondering what the overall length of your stove pipe is? I have the same stove with 15 feet of total pipe and I'm not getting a great draft when I light my fire which smokes out my cabin. I'm wondering if I need another section of pipe on the roof. Thanks.

[@HardcoreSustainable]

That seems like it would be enough to create draft needed to move the smoke out. Not sure what it could be. Do you have a strong wind in your location? or some obstruction in the pipe? A higher pipe could work. Is your pipe insulated at any point? Insulated pipe can make a better draft.

[@jeffducklow3002]

I'm using double wall pipe the entire run. No obstructions in pipe and very little wind. How tall is your pipe? From what I've read, 15 feet is the minimum height so taller should be better. Once the stove heats up the draft is fine. Thanks for the reply. @@HardcoreSustainable

[@greenghopper]

Looks like it's off gasing. You will get this for about 5-6 burns and will die off once you get to 500-600 degrees. If you had a hole in it, it would be overly hot even when you cut off the air and go beyond 600 degrees. Seams are intended to be tight with no holes, filled with gasket seal (hardens like brick) which makes it air tight.

[@HardcoreSustainable]

Yep, I had the windows and door opened up to let the gases go out. As advised in the directions I did several burns gradually working up to a hotter longer fire. You can see the solder or whatever it is that filled up the seams. I was still seeing a little smoke puffing out from a seam at the back.

[@greenghopper]

yep....you'll have off gassing for at least 5 burns as you gradually break it in. The solder is called wood stove or furnace cement. It's meant to cover the seams and prevent air leaks.

[@AdrianaGalue]

OK informative video if you begin watching it at minute 2:35.

[@ronaldfranck6960]

Wouldn't it be wise to initially "cure" the stove out-of-doors rather than filling the home with those fumes? My daughter is about to install this same stove in her home but she does not yet have the reducer that matches the 6 inch stovepipe to the stoves chimney outlet. Did your dealer provide you with the reducer or did you have to locate and buy your own reducer?

[@HardcoreSustainable]

It could have been cured outside initially. I just opened everything up and allowed ventilation and didn't hang out in there while it was curing. I guess I would have had to install a temporary stove pipe to create draw that just went up to the open air. I think it worked out fine the way I did it. I don't remember about the reducer. I think it came with the stove.

[@ovlasburning6605]

hi try a parlor stove wood stove ... it's exceptional. it is much more warm than jotul

[@HardcoreSustainable]

You mean the style of stove called parlor stove? Why do you think they are warmer? They are definitely usually prettier.

[@stefangeernaert1970]

smoke is coming out of the panels at the back right! These are not glued properly!(time video 8:49)🔥🔥🔥🔥 So you also have a chance of co-poisoning!

[@HardcoreSustainable]

I think that was offgassing from the sealant.

[@RVBadlands2015]

How many sq ft will it heat. Well worth the money.

[@HardcoreSustainable]

This stove is for 600 sq ft

[@SaintCoemgen]

Is that beer or wine fermenting next to your stove?

[@HardcoreSustainable]

It's wine, but it's not fermenting. It's sitting there temporarily.

[@frankdamelio1351]

I have 300 sq ft wood shop, poor insulation. What stove do you recommend

[@HardcoreSustainable]

Well, I think this one would be good. It's for 600 sq ft I believe, so it would be better in a smaller less insulated building. But it depends on how little insulated your building is. If it's not insulated much at all, you should probably insulate it.

[@jimsteele7108]

Think of it as an engine in a car. Power is good when you need it.

[@hopefulvoyage]

Would this work for a 130 foot shed used as a work shop. Walls are insulated. Ceiling and floor are not. Would it produce too much heat for such a small space?

[@Jakelol1980]

How would this stove warm up a log cabin thats 300 sqaure feet big in the winter?

[@HardcoreSustainable]

That would probably be perfect, maybe a little oversized. It's for up to 800 sq ft according to jotul. But you can always burn smaller fires for shorter duration, and it really all depends on the insulation of the cabin. If it's not well insulated you will be losing heat fast. If it's tight, and well insulated you won't have to fire it much. My house has passive solar and is fairly well insulated, and not quite 500 sq ft. It works well for me at night.

[@Jakelol1980]

@@HardcoreSustainable its 8inch logs with No insulation but the roof is low inside at only 7 feet.

[@HardcoreSustainable]

@@Jakelol1980 Sounds like it's not insulated then so I would guess this stove would be fine for heating it. You are likely losing a lot of heat out through the walls.

[@Giovanni-gp2wl]

Hey dude are you saying these sticks are good enough?

[@HardcoreSustainable]

Good enough for what?

[@justthink5854]

@@HardcoreSustainable heating your house

[@HardcoreSustainable]

@@justthink5854 I was just breaking in the stove in this video, so it's not enough to heat the house. I light a fire in my stove using these sticks as kindling and then add bigger wood, but depending on the temps outside and if it's sunny, I can heat my house with a fire that burns maybe 30-45 minutes and then not light a fire for 6 or more hours. On a sunny winter day, I don't need a fire during the day at all.

[@justthink5854]

@@HardcoreSustainable wow. nice!

[@paulviola4582]

What is the burn time?

[@HardcoreSustainable]

I guess I haven't really timed it myself, but I would guess it's about 5-6 hours. I find that I can light a fire late at night when my house starts to cool of the day's solar gain, and then I might have to put a little more wood in when I inevitably wake up at 5 or 6 am. It depends on the dryness and type of wood you put in it. But I find I can load a big log in there and turn the air vent way down to burn slowly over many hours. I burn all kinds of wood though. Whatever waste wood I can get, so it's not necessarily the best for a long burn.

[@SD10001]

its called being human enjoy your fire

[@erics8757]

Wet dog comes in from outside, fixes up bed right under electrical outlet..... Banjo plays his last tune.

[@HardcoreSustainable]

Yeah, that's not going to happen.

[@jimsteele7108]

The 602 is supposed to be the world's top selling wood stove. I have the grandad model.

[@HardcoreSustainable]

didn't know that.

[@iaindennis3321]

Looking in from England - a real flame in the home is so welcoming - I burn coal in an original Victorian fireplace in my home that dates back to 1852.

[@HardcoreSustainable]

Wow, coal! I'm surprised you can find any in England.

[@iaindennis3321]

Hardcore Sustainable I’m based in Bristol, England and there are a couple of coal merchants that serve the city - we burn Oxbow coal

[@gensherman2984]

So you're saying it is better your tenant, who may be unaware of the "potential" fire hazard, burn the other stove. Hope your beer didn't get hot. You will enjoy the stove. And that is metal, paint and oils cooking off. Best that you did open your windows.

[@HardcoreSustainable]

I don't know if I know what you are talking about with the fire hazard. I put my old waterford stove in the rental property and took out the stove that was the potential safety hazard.

[@RVBadlands2015]

Why not put a rocket stove in.

[@HardcoreSustainable]

I like that the wood stove doesn't take up much space. A rocket mass heater like the one in one of my other videos is big, and needs a large thermal mass. I've not been impressed with them because they require so much fuel just to heat the mass and the ones I've seen are slow to heat the space immediately. You can check out that other video to see more on my opinions on them. I think they can be built better, but they still take up a lot of space. I haven't ever seen a rocket stove without the mass heater in a house, but i think that could work. I only have to burn a fire for about an hour to heat my house, and then it's another 6 hours or so before I have to light another, unless it's a sunny day when my passive solar design heats the house.

[@MhUser]

the stove should be white inside after the burn; it means that it does not burn efficiently if it's black and you are polluting and wasting fuel

[@langtidsminne]

It's funny how americans pronounce Jøtul.

[@HardcoreSustainable]

Can you phonetically explain how it's supposed to be pronounced?

[@langtidsminne]

​@@HardcoreSustainable This is the best recorded pronounciation I found: forvo.com/word/jøtul/ This is my explanation: J - like the Y in "yes" Ø - like in the U in "burn" (in british) T - Hard T like in "task" U - as in "supreme" (in british) L - as in "love" This is how it is pronounced in Norwegian. Jøtul is also Norwegian.

[@debartellomartinez7214]

As many times as I block tiny house videos they keep pushing them on me. Shoe box living should not be normalized.

[@HardcoreSustainable]

Great comment! Good luck dealing with population and resource depletion. Also, commenting on videos, even if complaining, will tell KZbin you like that video and want to see more. So maybe, resist the urge to complain.