New Trek Madone gets an Engineering Roasting

[@fissionchips8840]

fabulous line I'd love hear or see on GCN or in cycling weekly... "irrespective of what ballbag size you have" 😆 made my day that 🤣

[@galenkehler]

Reminds me of that video of the guy who had to wear a hoodie as pants...

[@glennoc8585]

Utter filth shame on him😂

[@brettneale]

"If you're a fat fucker you probably don't need the IsoSpeed decoupler" 🤣

[@andyeunson270]

When I listen to Hambini, so do my neighbours.

[@event4216]

I could stick fishing pole through hole under seat post and fix under top tube. Ingenious design, I must admit.

[@michaelcarroll7997]

The previous generation Madone does have adjustable Isospeed so you can tune it to your preference. It's hard to explain how it works without pictures but it is adjustable

[@ragethomas]

Composite leaf spring with sliding adjuster to change the length of the spring.

[@ivarbrouwer197]

@@ragethomas yep, they should have tried to put all of that in the seatpost itself as an optional feature. This monstrosity seems designed by the graphics department. (It looks cool but seems pointless)

[@ragethomas]

@@ivarbrouwer197 I have the current madone and really enjoy it. I do love the design of the new one, but hambini points out exactly what I thought. Plus there wis no technical update alike t47

[@Alex-md6bu]

@@ragethomas it also has a small damper to control the movement of the leafspring too a well thought out solution just has a weight penalty

[@smartie450]

It's so shits. It comes lose at almost all frames I had in the shop

[@andrewfrancis3591]

You just don't understand the science. That is a venturi, the rider has to consume masses of baked beans. The chuff gasses are ducted through the seat and post being ignited in the venturi/vagina area. Trek argues that as it is entirely human powered it will contravene no regulations.

[@atmywitsend1984]

Wow! That's science. I feel so dumb for not knowing this.

[@glennoc8585]

A crude afterburner

[@patthewoodboy]

thanks for that :-)

[@andrewfrancis3591]

@@glennoc8585 Yes this can be a danger with blue flamers. Bonking on a steep climb could cause this!!!!

[@andrewfrancis3591]

@RollinRat It's already a SCRANjet what more do you want?

[@FatGrev1]

if that seat post snaps, it’s snapping in one of the most vulnerable areas of the body. Ouchie!

[@victorhuang5516]

Hey, I just wanted to say, I received your BSA SRAM Bottom Bracket and as a very novice rider, I actually noticed a difference in power transfer to the pedals. Thank you for an amazing product.

[@charlestoast4051]

It's unbelievable how a desire to "innovate", i.e. make this year's model look different from the "old" one, results in such massive engineering compromises and tortuous and tenuous explanations of what could at best only be marginal aero gains. Why don't bike manufacturers just defer to their engineers instead of their fashion department?

[@Mebartos]

Because people guzzle up the marketing and it sells bikes for them?

[@turtleneck369]

because it sells

[@thebrowns5337]

Until people stop falling for guff, whether from people on social media or bike manufacturers, we are all going to be saturated with pointless bs.

[@AmazingChinaToday]

Trek is one of the worst offenders in creating proprietary, nonsensical "innovations" to sell more bikes. Their bikes are indeed nice, in the end, but the amount of BS surrounding their products is staggering. I own a Trek, by the way. 😄

[@AG-el6vt]

I guess it's because it's quite easier to quantify how much dough you make for the company if you work in sales than if you work in the core technology that makes that company viable in the first place. That and the wonderful world of product development, where the snake oil salesmen draw up a shopping list of features, performance etc. they say customers want. No they don't, what usually happens is that said salespeople are always trying to one-up the competition in specs, so there's a sort of specs arms race going on. Anyway, with the product specs pretty much decided *without* input from R&D, the big shots then descend to the company's dungeons, where they then tell you lowly engineer what the next product is supposed to be able to do, because competition. Ah, and they want it done by last Tuesday, thank you very much.

[@17cream]

Oooh brill, I was waiting for this, the new Madone looks like a GT Zaskar from the 80s

[@altern8tive]

.... from the 80s utilising a Fred Hellens design from 1923

[@sandy_knight]

At least the GT was a 'triple triangle' with a non interrupted seat tube. Not strictly necessary but at least it was structurally sound.

[@atmywitsend1984]

I thought that was the 90's

[@sandy_knight]

@@atmywitsend1984 According to Google 1991. They used the triple triangle design for their whole MTB range though so there might have been a different model in the 80s?

[@mikekarena]

That Zaskar was super popular in 1992

[@Sills71]

Almost all the major bike companies are now at least partly owned by private equity or corporations. So just like in every market they don't care if what they produce is actually good so they add any nonsense or crap if makes people buy it.

[@MicheleGardini]

You have to consider the target of the product. It's 99% about appearance, not about efficiency. People who spend that much want to be recognized by the look of their stuff.

[@patrickeigenmann138]

Did he just call me a fat fuck? Bad Hambini!

[@jeffcarrol4263]

We're living in the postmodern era of cycling where there are no absolute truths. Nowadays, disks on road bikes are better, fatter frames and tires are more aero, so is cutting off the tip of a naca foil, quality control isn't necessary, on and on.

[@WilliamMightyRed]

Well, there has to be new reasons to make our old bikes obsolete and need "better" ones...

[@desertrainfrog1691]

@RollinRat Is it a good time to become a bike mechanic? I figured that with the internet at hand, almost anyone could sort out how to conduct their own maintenance at home, provided they purchase the correct tools.

[@julmeissonnier]

You can achieve exactly the same effect with much less weight with a compact frame with a sloping top tube that creates a much longer seat tube and staying with a not too big diameter seat tube (like a 27.2mm) and even go to a D-shape if you want to be more up to date and by definitely staying away from any deep aero seat tube. But that's pretty much the breakthrough design of the 1997 Giant TCR so hard to justify as the new super-duper $12000 2023 model...

[@benjaminauer]

have your neighbours every complained about some screaming 5 year old engineer?

[@actionmethod]

TREK added the hole by popular demand from their fanboys whom love their bikes, perhaps too much!

[@orlandoalejandro8940]

As it looks, my mate Mowgli hasn't visited the hairdresser recently

[@JogBird]

how else will they sell $20k bikes (CDN)

[@kris4645]

If Trek or any major company is watching this,just hire this dude,and your bikes will all be perfectly aero,and fast as lightning! Hehehe!Sarc! Internet experts! 😊🤣

[@z33r0now3]

I am no engineer, what I see is bridgebuilder and my predictions on how the design would load certain paths was astonishingly spot on.

[@the.communist]

That innovate design is the perfect excuse to increase the sale price by 5k.

[@leeharding8306]

Looking forward to seeing the Trek spin on these done in a wind tunnel without a rider. To try and make aero gains where a pair of legs are thrashing up and down creating turbulence seems like a waste of time to me. The top tube over hang is going to be under huge stress especially with a heavy rider. I can see Trek making big claims about the rear wheel aero gains as it hugs the frame much more than the outgoing model. All this aero gain’s bikes selling strategy has gone to far. A light weight all round road bike with deep wheels and hidden cables and hose’s is all you need. Specialized think so 🤔

[@VIEultimate]

Cervelo certainly disagrees, with how... radical(?) the S5's design is.

[@leeharding8306]

@@VIEultimate have you heard about the trouble with the fork’s on the S5? If you have even a small crash on one the forks spin round and hit the frame and right off the whole thing 🤔 it’s a very well documented design fault.

[@TinkleAssify]

@@VIEultimate Colnago is the opposite. Really it comes down to how strong the rider is. I reckon this full aero stuff is just looks really. A design exercise.

[@VIEultimate]

@@leeharding8306 Honestly haven't heard about that one yet, but that's not exactly my problem. My pockets aren't deep enough (and body not strong enough) for such caliber of bikes 🥲

[@VIEultimate]

@@TinkleAssify Yeah, no one's gonna dispute that it's still highly dependent on the rider. I still believe, though, that aero bikes do have their benefits, especially on more downhill and flat courses.

[@carlesduran5590]

This made me think if you put a hole that creates turbulence noise at certain speeds, it would be great! I would try to keep the hole screaming.

[@pierrex3226]

It's a feature designed to make resale value lower, because it's a gamble to buy bikes with much limited seatpost height adjustability. So you pay more in order to get less. Also, you'll get more road spray on your legs, which is so nice.

[@NoahStephens]

Anyone who can afford this bike doesn’t give a shiiite about its resale value. That’s a poor person thought.

[@pierrex3226]

@@NoahStephens sure, because the dentists who buy the new specialized every two years never sell the old one, they instead have fifteen road bikes on top of the other bikes they have

[@darojos]

I'm not fat, I just have a mass damper....

[@brendonmadden-smith]

If you're not treating the head tube as a "side" of a parallelogram then its inconsistent to treat the similarly small juncture between the stays and top tube as a "side". Apart from that, I agree the cantilevered seat arrangement is bonkers. Madone frames were already well over weight, but this will just make it worse

[@helldorado1489]

Scoundrel!! You will not question The Hambini!! You will respect The Hambini!!

[@jacobatherton8339]

I had the same thoughts

[@brendonmadden-smith]

@@helldorado1489 yeah, nah

[@Quantick]

How relevant though is it in terms of the structural integrity and composition, more specifically to his argument? It could be argued the rigidity of that section in any axis may not be as complicated or an issue in terms of force transfer throughout the frame.

[@alkoma4586]

its actually lighter

[@alastairs3727]

😂😂😂 always the best laughs and science rolled up in one small headed child

[@TheraPi]

Add huge amount of complexity to the manufacturing process for pretty much no advantage, and for pretty likely structural problems down the line. Well done Trek

[@ClarkBark14]

Guaranteed disproportional mark-up for the complexity, passed on to the customer as well...

[@murmuriiii]

Thats how they charge more money

[@glennoc8585]

When frames have become so arse buckling the manufacturer has to resort to bad art in an attempt to soften the ride.

[@carlpentney290]

It's inconceivable Trek would go to market with a bike that on the face of it is likely to incur numerous warranty claims from 'heavier' riders. Surely they have tested this system to death first? But the main issue is, who the hell is going to risk buying it?

[@PaddleDogC5]

Person who wants different

[@retroonhisbikes]

So we are making the frame lighter by adding a hole. But to compensate well add a length of seat tube and increase wall thickness.

[@PaulJacksonOttawa]

Great presentation! Keep them coming. Love your work and great advice.

[@red00tl]

Why is everyone so happy to jump the gun and call it a failure when the bike is not even released yet? If the double triangle is broken and the seat post on a cantilever, the whole frame might just work as a huge mass damper sitting between the head tube and the rear axle. Whatever shortcomings the structural design has, Trek might have found a way to counter that, either with a clever layering of carbon fibre or a novel wonder material. If they didn't, then it would go down the history as a great laughing stock. Either way, the audience can't lose unless you have already put down a deposit for this radical bike. We'll see. ;)

[@valk5045]

I think a lot of people are tired of the constant innovation hype. Every year we are told that a new revolutionary way has been discovered to make bikes faster. And every year average prices go up. And every year new, non compatible, innovations are launched, making older gear and bikes quasi obsolete. At a certain point, especially when you have a modest budget, it just becomes irritating.

[@VIEultimate]

As I'm watching the Structural Considerations slide, I'm curious what's your take on the frame design of Lapierre road bikes, particularly with the seat stays connected with the top tube instead of the seat tube or intersection between tt and st. I think GT bikes also have the similar design. Is there really a benefit to it or is it done just to be unique, but has its disadvantages?

[@fraserdavidson6900]

I can vouch for it working on the GT Grade. Take a lot of the buzz out of chunky gravel. The bike is super comfortable. If you look at the seat tube profile it’s a fancy leaf spring essentially.

[@dtmateo]

The lapierre design has a continuous seat tube all the way to the bottom bracket. The top tube holds it in place which is fine because carbon fiber is strong when the force is parallel to the strands. Carbon breaks when the force is perpendicular to the strands and this is NOT happening on the lapierre design

[@glennoc8585]

GT had it for years and others. Looked cool

[@the.communist]

More compliance

[@thebrowns5337]

The one I don't like thelook of is the Ribble carbon gravel bike - really odd seat stays.

[@richardpowell7530]

Thanks I rebuild bikes from parts I come across. Your content has helped to make me a better builder. Thru understanding what. Really going on. Thanks again

[@simonalexandercritchley439]

Mad one ! haha like it. Your comments agree with Peak Torque,that hole where the seat tube should be=likelyhood of cracks. Loss of stiffness and hole in the wrong place,not a good combo imho.

[@arturdabrowski5994]

*This is a really great **Latest.Bike** . I love the gears and very easy to ride on roads. Mine came with a broken part, but I contacted customer service and they were on top of it. I liked that.*

[@andersnilsson973]

Hambini is my neighbours favourite YT channel, whether they want it or not.

[@sylvainmichaud2262]

BTW This is some sort of a reincarnation of the old Trek Y Foil triathlon bike (late '90s, early '00s) but with a much shorter top tube suspended weight.

[@Reanimator999]

HIstory repeats itself again at Trek...LOL

[@olo398]

damn, that was a good hello, the last few were pretty weak, glad to see you still got it old man :-)

[@ThunderousProduction]

"sorry I gotta stop laughing at my own jokes" No you don't that was hilarious!

[@HK-yo4se]

You made my day, because when I saw the Madone 2 weeks ago I was like, you're kidding me. Aerodynamic improvements....haha

[@Technotranceism]

To try to brace the cantilever effect, they tied the seat tube into the rear section, which ties into the left over bottom tube, and they tied into the top tube also. I still suspect that cracking will develop in time, but the way they tied it all together, will extend it, than if it were truly free floating.

[@DavidJones-sc6jc]

I never understood the Trek appeal at all. Their bikes are mediocre to crap and the “Lance Armstrong” effect that sold them originally is long gone. I hope to hell Time comes back as they IMO made the only production frames worth buying/riding. And all the amateur clowns talking a few watts while dealing with motorcycle brakes (dork disc) and insanely complicated cable routing are just crazy as hell. Dudes were riding faster than you 40 years ago on steel bikes with rim brakes. Manufacturers have made dork discs and invisible cable routing so 95% will have to see their “stealer-ship” for a 10mm headset height adjustment. Clowns.

[@Reanimator999]

When Trek's design and engineering sense aren't bad enough, just look at their "Project One" luxury custom bike to lure in some wealthy suckers. For me, I'm happy with my used Time Izon which I got for less than $2000 USD.

[@okantichrist]

I used to think it was cool and desirable when they started making brake hoods with concealed cables. 30 years down the line I don’t give a damn as long as it’s reliable and doesn’t cost stupid sums of money.

[@M3CoupeC50]

@@okantichrist Very true on cable routing. When Shimano’s hood designed from external to internal, the shifters started eating cables.

[@jzcapets]

Hardly the first "beam bike" but there's an entire decade worth of data on the subject from early 2000's TT bikes and it's much ado about nothing unless Trek has taken an even greater step backwards in time from a design and QC standpoint. They can't/won't fumble the bag that hard. Look no further than the Titanflex and Softride powerwing bikes. 5x larger cantilevered span (if not more) and no widespread failures to speak of. Is the new Madone's cantilevered design new? No. Is it the first time it has been applied to a UCI-legal road bike? Probably...at least on this scale/level of prominence. Hambini is probably right about the disc brake parasitic losses outweighing the aero "gains" which are probably at-best a watt.

[@borano2031]

The Softrides were hinged with a spring to lessen "bumps" to the beam. Rgr

[@jzcapets]

@@borano2031 The "Rocket" models may have, but the Powerwing edition just had an elastomer sandwiched between two layers of carbon beam (and the hinge was strictly for seat height adjustment). For non-hinged beam bike designs you can look even further back to the late 90's and the Trek Y- series bikes. There were both MTB and Road versions of this frame pattern.

[@jzcapets]

@@borano2031 Titanflex had no hinge or elastomer, just Titanium tubing slid into a frame. Point being, there is an extensive history of lessons learned (within Trek no less) on how to correctly execute a beam bike design.

[@drapetomaniack]

Good analysis... except Hambini's knowledge of the factors around vibration loses (not just a comfort thing, but a speed thing) seem to be SEVERELY lacking! What's odd is that he seems to acknowledge that dampening of vibration can be bad since bleeding off speed by converting vibrations to heat.. acknowledge that human body (a big, floppy, vibration dampening meat bag) is a huge dampener, but then doesn't make the logical conclusion that isolating that massively dampening, speed losing body from vibrations with as little loses as possible will reduce energy loses and make you go faster 🤷🏾‍♂ Hambini, letting tires and a carbon fibre leaf spring (effectively) take care of the vibrations bleeds off WAAAAY less heat/speed than would happen you allowed those vibrations into body... what you want to do is deflect and return energy back to the tire/road with as little dampening (absorbing/losing energy) as possible.. that means as much as possible not allowing vibration into your body.. and not necessarily, just for comfort which IS important, but for speed!

[@KekusMagnus]

Was going to say that. Unless the road is perfectly flat you need some damping to absorb vibrations which would otherwise slow you down. Choosing the right tires typically does the job but for the occasional larger bump (ie pothole) additional damping is beneficial and not only for your ass

[@thebrowns5337]

Look at car wheel sizes (more specifically the given sidewall height) - a car will achieve better mpg and comfort with 16 inch wheels than with 18 inch wheels essentially due to the absorbtion of vibrations from an imperfect road surface.

[@fhowland]

Yeah he’s out of his depth here

[@lookinforanick]

I have a question about the concept of "fat dampening" that you mention in the video. I am assuming vibrations propagate a bit like ripple waves, and given the three contact points we have on the bike (feet, hands and most importantly ass) isn't it fair to assume that by the time the vibration reaches the fat deposits (be it breasts, or on the belly/waist) it would have already reached the spine and so the damage is already done so to speak?

[@TalonMerlin777]

nah bro...

[@justhecuke]

I've always wondered why the bikes don't include aero guards of some sort to move the air around the biker like what sport motorcycles do. Surely, the extra weight would be offset by the reduction in drag, especially if they use lightweight materials. The bikes can only become so much more aero and the biker is the main source of drag. It makes sense to focus on reducing rider drag rather than bike drag.

[@justhecuke]

@RollinRat personally, I don't like them. I like the higher head height of an upright. Let's me see what is going on rather than having my vision totally blocked by cars or pedestrians or newspaper boxes.

[@justhecuke]

@RollinRat Ya. No offense, but the bike business is more of a steal than the car business. I juts can't fathom how people can be happy to spend so many thousands of dollars on a few metal pipes welded together, sometimes very poorly. At least with an e-bike you can rationalize that the motor and batteries are high tech. But a crank, pedals, a chain, and a basic manual gearing system? It's ridiculous how much more expensive they are than car parts rated for much more extreme forces with much tighter manufacturing tolerances. I'm happy that you've got such great job security. Wrenching on bikes in an amateur fashion on my own in my living room is actually quite fun, but I wouldn't want to do it as a job.

[@KekusMagnus]

UCI rules would probably make them illegal and therefore all the wannabe racers who usually buy expensive bikes won't want them. If you want maximum aero get an enclosed recumbent bike, these can reach over 100km/h

[@ANTPS32CREWCHIEF]

3Rensho Creator: I make my chainstays long because when a track racer smashes the pedal I want the bike to move forward.

[@leedsunited007]

this video came up straight after the 'Bike Radar' [impartial ] review commecial. Hilarious contrast. Trek call it isoflo. Hammy says aerodynamics in a hurricane. you broke my heart , 🚽

[@neilbathe]

I got a Colnago ad before the show started - either very brave, or very poor product placement 🤣🤣🤣

[@karlailin]

This lad is so excited when his pen is working - no wonder he makes all bottom bracket.

[@george83815]

From a design perspective does the tririg Omni make sense? Not asking for specifics on the numbers as this will depend on the execution but as far as the principle goes of removing the down tube should it be more aero?

[@maddoc68]

Big bottom bracket area for the hidden electrical drive system. 🤣

[@Glenn7536]

Oi you child. Im 108kg. Its not fat. Its muscle. And big bones.

[@alkoma4586]

year later and people are loving their madones

[@sylvainmichaud2262]

I thought that the UCI rules required that the seatpost was supposed to extend from the seat tube. That's not the case in this bike. I know that the UCI are about to change the rules but in the meantime, this frame seems illegal, to the best of my knowledge and interpretation of the UCI rule book. But then again, it wouldn't be the first time that they bend the rules.

[@iancuk]

Bet the Trek guys found a HOLE in the UCI rules.

[@sylvainmichaud2262]

@@iancuk Using the back door !

[@mantelles]

The UCI has already cashed the check

[@wiseoldman5841]

So Trek went into their dusty warehouse and found a 1990s vintage Y Foil, thought it would be cool to rebrand and slightly modify! Too funny! Not even my Hairdresser fell for that one!

[@TqmmPl]

Hambini - what you think about Marin bikes? Just got 2 of Gestalt X10, they are (in my amateur opinion) good (no creaks :D). They drive nicely, but I wonder if you had chance to get your hands on this brand.

[@Zzyyxx22]

I’ve not watched the video yet but I was looking forward to this as soon as I saw the bike.

[@gravelcyclingcanada]

Trek Engineer #1: Did you guys see the Cervelo S5 cockpit? - Trek Engineer #2: Great Idea! - Trek Engineer #3: Just do not put it on the cockpit! - Trek Engineer 4: Hold my beer!

[@kevinyao6672]

I'm pretty sure Trek engineers have done tons of strength simulations and the results must be promising enough before they actually decide to put this design into manufacturing. In addition, fluid flow needs to be simulated to actually say if it's turbulent or laminar as it's clearly not a simple foil that you can easily tell the results. benefits of doing so would probably be 1) shorter seat tube for less weights? maybe? 2) a great reduction to the chunky triangle part If they put more carbon to make up the deficiency of stiffness for the missing triangle, my guess is that even with more carbon the new frame is still lighter.

[@TheMrZizer]

Hambini opens his mouth Trek head designer : sweet's coldly

[@Ultegra10SPD]

Alonso's old Renault got a good run at the F1 title with a mass damper before it was banned. -U10

[@richardharker2775]

I've got an old steel bike. The salesman said it had compliance and stiffness at the same time. All I know is I'm still slow and still get a sore r's.

[@wazzup105]

Hell yeah, I was prepared for the intro for once :-)

[@borano2031]

Did you press the like button BEFORE the intro, as we addicts do?? If not, you´re not prepared. Shape up. Rgr

[@waynosfotos]

Yeah, and worse the parrallel gram is broken by those to little fins connecting to the seat tubes. So both triangles have been broken. It might be comfy, but will ride like a noodle!

[@mrcstb7479]

Just after they proclaim this hole as aero benefit… we will be asked to start cycling with our asses pointing to the front.

[@co7013]

Does the principle of the higher stiffness of a triangle equally apply to a carbon frame? I can see how it would apply to a steel frame, or any frame where tubes are connected. But a carbon monocoque frame is a very different construction.

[@alan-sk7ky]

Yes...

[@whunderwhoiam2489]

I think the portion about the moment of inertia isnt the best representation cuz your diagram makes the seat post look like it extends out a lot more than it actually does. The seat post looks like it’s right next to the axis of rotation looking at 4:03.

[@sytsedijkstra]

Very interesting video as most are. Question. In terms of aerodynamic cleverness, what do you think of the Orbea Orca Aero? It would be super interesting to hear your opinion about the frame and storage box. Cheers!

[@basengelblik5199]

I was waiting for this. Pretty light on the roasting, more an honest analysis with an emphasis on your hairdresser.

[@john-r-edge]

Do cover the science of the effects of weight - why 2 kg of overweight rider vs 2 kg on the bike frame is diff. And moving weight (eg in cranks, pedals etc) more significant than on frame. Cheers.

[@jzcapets]

There really isn't (at least between rider and frame). Exchanging 2kg from one to the other will have zero effect on performance unless it affects aerodynamics substantially. The rotating mass bit is a crock too. Ever just spin up your rear wheel with your bike hung in a repair stand? My toddler can spin a cheap aluminum wheel to 20mph with almost zero effort, and half of that zero is drivetrain losses and aero drag on the spokes/rim. At some point it's ok to admit you want the nice things bc they are nice :)

[@thatguy9051]

Creating a Hole and Stiffening the bottom bracket?? Gotta be an ebike convertible machine?? Hole in the seat tube--water?? Ball bag?? Bike bag?? Battery Hole.... Anyone's guess...

[@tweed0929]

I'm shocked feminists didn't jump on the Madone-bashing bandwagon yet. The new Madone is the Edsel of cycling industry.

[@JurajGrossmann]

your lyrics are different from AvE's, but obviously nobody could deny his and yours verbal progression

[@petelok9969]

Hambini, if you can please review a Look 486? That'd be interesting. Think you were building up a 386 from the charity shop a little while back 👌

[@wayneblake-hedges416]

The previous generation Madone had a lot of structural failures in the iso speed decoupler, not a very good solution to resolve this. Plus all the current Trek road bikes can't be mounted in a standard bike repair stand. Thanks for making things worse Trek!

[@AlistairLattimore]

Why can’t they be mounted, seems very odd?

[@bramlamberts-alambramusic1591]

They can be mounted in every standard bike stand. As easily as any aero bike…

[@barbermack2980]

Do you have a recommended carbon bike frame or manufacturer list that's close to acceptable QA? Looking to build one.

[@humblesamb9920]

Look, time, winspace. Pretty sure he only rides either look or time.

[@drdjmatthews]

How long before a seat post snaps off the "top tube"? Mind you, the frame/wheel spacing/sculpting looks fairly aero.

[@colinhession40]

I would absolutely love to hear your take on the Boardman SLR 8.9, or Boardman/Halfords bikes in general and how they compare to the big brands

[@panchoxbrr301]

Hey Frenchie, laughing at your own jokes is indeed a sign of well above average intelligence as well as a sign that you know you are well above average intelligence. Laughing at your own jokes when no-one else does is a step above that. Tell Tyrone I said hi.

[@Hambini]

he sends his thanks

[@hazepheno925]

The opening looks like it was inspired by a Paddlefish feeding.

[@4nz-nl]

Right below the seat tube is a second point where there's torque as the weight of the rider presses on the seat.

[@liquidSpin]

You know how they could sell more bikes? Decrease their logo size 😂

[@DavidJones-sc6jc]

Lolz . . Yes, another strike against them. Their bikes are classic American design like the cars; they are ugly as shit. I can say that as I’m an American.

[@16vdavid]

Trek did a full sus mountain bike (Top Fuel) back in ~2010 which had something similar regarding the seat post. I think they had issues with carbon cracking.

[@Reanimator999]

They never learn...

[@aenako193]

Gives full sus a new meaning now

[@jimlakiss]

Awesome. I’ve finally got somewhere aesthetically pleasing to stick my spare tube.

[@SalsaAmigoMG]

I think it’s funny that you can continually bash bike companies while also using the term “dampening”, as opposed to the proper term, “damping”. Actually, you used both terms interchangeably as I was typing this message, so clearly you’re confused. Great show, however.

[@kevingilhooley2064]

Another great roasting sir......just got a lovely new buffont hairstyle from my hairdresser,how he manages to glue it down and make it look so real is amazing,but his very limp wrist is magical,showed him a pic of the bike and Gaylord said it looks like a rampant stallion....... just before he fainted.

[@samevans515]

I was gonna buy the Mad one but now I'd rather like to be your padawan.

[@a1yallop]

From herein I shall refer to you as 'the great hambini'. Brilliant video.

[@YtseHWSW]

What are the pros and cons of dropped seat stays?

[@helldorado1489]

All that bending over to pick them up might cause back problems eventually…

[@DirtCraftMTB]

HELLOOOOOO ..... and the dog is losing his shit again.

[@DaleswayTherapies2020]

You’re the best Hambini. Your cutting humour is backed by an obvious knowledge of your subject. Keep the roastings going. Hero.

[@quaqstar]

I now own 10 winspace bikes to prepare for the shipping apocalypse

[@rogerhonacki5610]

I own the previous generation, and love it. I can’t imagine this is better. I ride in SoCal, so no need for disc brakes, because there’s rarely rain. I think Trek must have laid off their aero guys and their comfort guys, and hired some cheap high school students. Either that or marketing was allowed to design it.

[@RossTheNinja]

My favourite 5 year old. Hambiniiiiiiii

[@Chunky246]

Soon to be found bimbling around Richmond Park, then talked about loudly at the cafe.

[@thebrowns5337]

The only reason for this is to sell seatposts of varying lengths to folk that fall for the hype and buy one of these.

[@Fixingeverthingwithaengine567]

The marlin 7 mtb frame has also moved their seat stays down.