New Tyranid Codex Battle Report vs Chaos Space Marines With Special Guest Matthew from Miniwargaming

[@Gnalistair]

This Matthew guy isn't too bad, maybe with a little more practice he could start his own channel one day

[@miniwargaming]

That's my dream! ;)

[@editor2766]

Maybe you'd fancy doing some narrative gaming?@@miniwargaming

[@lilboiekin781]

Feature more Matthew please! Good to see him on the channel. Keep it up

[@DarkPrinceRaven99]

The Warriors in a Warrior unit with an attached Winged Prime cannot Fly, because while the unit has the Fly keyword, the Warriors do not, and Fly movement is by model not by unit.

[@kryzys5385]

Its if unit's datasheet has fly keyword but it doesn't change that they cannot fly :)

[@MountainMiniatures]

@@kryzys5385 ill copy and paste again. "Some units can contain models that have different keywords. While this is the case, such a unit is considered to have all of the keywords of all of its models, and so is affected by any rule that applies to units with any of those keywords." A Prime with wings attached to Tyranids warriors are a single unit. Not 2 units. Ill copy and past from page 12 ofthe rule book too for you. "Some Character units have the Leader ability (pg 39), which lets them merge with other units (known as Bodyguard units) to form an Attached unit." ill keep saying this, its dumb, i highly doubt this is the intent. im just pointing out its Rules as written. no matter how much you and i dislike it. its RAW.

[@MarkAndTerra]

​​@@MountainMiniatures ​ That's true, but the subtle difference is that the Unit as a whole has all those Keywords, each individual MODEL in the unit doesn’t. So then you have to look at where the rule takes effect. Most of those rules will say "each MODEL" or "if ALL Models in the unit..." For example, a Character with Scout joining a Unit does give that Unit Scout but not every Model has the Keyword. The rule for Scout says, "If every model..." Similarly, when a Datasmith joins Robots it gives the Unit the Infantry keyword, models can move through..." Now the rules for Fly are written a bit inconsistent as it does say "the unit can fly" but later it says "when such a Model..." or "If a Model can fly, then when it makes a Normal or Advance move..." What joining a Character to the Unit does do is trigger other (mostly negative) rules interactions. Putting the Winged Prime with Fly in the Warrior unit doesn't make it so that the Warriors can Fly but it DOES make them vulnerable to Anti-Fly weapons, because the Unit has the Keyword and Wound rolls trigger off of Unit Keywords. Basically, Characters giving Keywords gives the Unit all the downsides of the Keyword but none of the advantages.

[@Leangareh]

That's a beautiful IW army! Totally love it! Iron within, iron without!

[@BentJacket]

Enjoyed. Subbed. Hope to see more of matt, its cool to see you guys just gaming and having a great time.

[@FellowsOfAlliance]

Verry cool Coloursceme on the Tyranids!!!

[@markorosz7571]

Very cool looking nid army with all the lictors.

[@DinoCopRulezTheWORLD]

Matt was totally like South Park character in this video :D Awesome Tyranid list. :)

[@malikm7620]

Love the Armies ans Matt's new Nid Colors

[@jaketheglutenphreakharris6620]

Awwww yay! Thanks Steve

[@thetherapist53]

2:25 "They fly now?" 'THEY FLY NOW"

[@soksok-jb9ks]

Just to note , They cannot fly due to how movement work, when making a move you check the base datasheet of each individual model so they would not have the fly keyword for movement. Same reason why Hive Tyrant can't walk through buildings when with tyrant guard

[@MountainMiniatures]

rule book page number?

[@soksok-jb9ks]

@@MountainMiniatures I don't have the rulebook on me atm but it's the flying rule. It states if a model can fly so when a rule checks model not unit its what ever is on their datasheets

[@dcy5410]

He is correct, movement is by model so the winged prime moves with fly but the warriors move without it. Keyword sharing only applies to rules that affect units (ie targetting the unit with anti-fly guns). They do benefit from the vanguard detachment adv+charge bonus though because it specifically affects units.

[@MountainMiniatures]

@@soksok-jb9ks look at the rules commentary, Third bullet point under "Keywords"

[@MountainMiniatures]

@@dcy5410 look at the rules commentary, Third bullet point under "Keywords"

[@shanethepain13]

I sware that used to be a rule where you could redraw a card if there was no possible way you could complete it, like kill a pysker and no one had one you could redraw it. Was that in the 7th ed malestorm of war rules or am i going crazy?

[@sheyrd7778]

You can redraw for a 1 CP I believe, I could be wrong.

[@bengriffiths2665]

genestealrs have two wounds matthew!!! you were plucking them off the table like they only have one!!!

[@ObjectiveSecured]

Where is the lictor getting a 4+ invul from? 23.47mins?

[@Grazias]

Matt got them lemon and lime flavoured Tyranids

[@terminaro]

The command reroll exists for guys like me who fails 2+ rolls to have a chance at the game. It is the main reason I gave it a shot in 8th edition.

[@codyheally9566]

Don't forget that your havocs ignore modifiers to BS in the future due to their stabilizing talons rule :) Only at the 32min mark, so not sure if you catch it in the future.

[@warsmitholgir5440]

Lascannons are also Str 12 now instead of Str 9 on that same 32min mark

[@xankaisehri5353]

How do you get to 4 units genestealers? as they are not battleline as far as im aware?

[@nicklindberg90]

How'd yall make that water? Very cool

[@purestrain3099]

Necro thread, Matt forgot about deathblow on the winged prime :P

[@eskhaphey2873]

You didn't make a leadership test on your Venomcrawler for going Dark Pact in turn 1...

[@Olòranden]

Where do you get the movement trays

[@obsidi2]

Neruolictor is on your own command phase, not the enemy command phase. Neurolictor does not have fight first.

[@carlboyd6392]

Great game and ending 😂😂😂😂😂

[@noobzoar]

I want the endless swarm BR!

[@SolNacht]

Woo! 4 Bat reports! I'm so keen. Iguess that's my Fathers day sorted. (Sorry kids)

[@Upyours99xs]

Wait i thought Matt picked fixed Objectives on turn one. Why did he start drawing new objectives afterwards?

[@cango8415]

Venomcrawler killed 2 units. Missed second +1 attack. Awesome game to watch.

[@phenirr]

That redeploy on the neurolichters, shouldn't they have wound up back in Mathew's deployment zone? Infiltrate is specific to the Deploy Phase. If your rolling to rolling to see who goes first your already two phases past Deploy Phase.

[@ayamenakiri9589]

The neuronode enhancement specifically says after first turn is determined

[@ayamenakiri9589]

Also, I think it means by redeploying, it’s following all the deployment phase rule?

[@ayamenakiri9589]

Just checked, the infiltrator keyword never said during deployment phase, it says during deployment, which is different from during deployment phase, as during deployment just means when you’re setting the model up, so when you redeploy with neuronode, you can still use the infiltrator rule.😊

[@effindave6909]

I'm 100% with Matt on the CP reroll strat. It needs to go. I play MCP on the side and that game is loaded with feels bad stuff like that and I just end up irritated every time I play it. 40k isn't as bad with all that stuff but I hope it doesn't head that way.

[@Ethanjayc]

Ahhh more MWG dudes doing stuff. Love it!

[@Jon-rk9fm]

You tell him Steve 😂

[@bigfluff73]

The iron warriors army looks amazing

[@kevinjanok]

warriors can have flesh hooks so ya they do fly over terrain

[@TheJasonDragonsbane]

That I believe was in 9th edition. Flesh hooks aren’t part of 10th.

[@ayamenakiri9589]

I’m more inclined to think that they just sees a prime and gets so excited that their metabolism goes up to a insane level and just straight up turns into shrikes

[@johnnyohm4579]

Rules concerning keywords targeting models affect models. Rules concerning keywords targeting units affect units. Attacks target units and not models which is why Anti-fly would affect the warriors. The warriors cannot fly bc the warrior models do not have fly and Fly/movement affects the model.

[@MountainMiniatures]

Yeah no. Look the the 3 bullet point under "key words", in the rules commentary. its clear as day that the warriors gain the fly keyword. i dont think this is intended tho. and as of the day i type this (sept6th) i expect it getting addressed

[@johnnyohm4579]

@@MountainMiniatures Bullet one: If a rule specifies that it applies to a model/unit with a Keyword, it only applies to a model/unit with that keyword on its datasheet. The unit of warriors gains the fly keyword, and thus are affected by Anti-fly since attacks target UNITS. This is true due to Bullet three and the example under bullet three. Movement is a model by model basis, thus rules affecting models, the model must have the keyword. This is why you cannot score Bring it Down on neurogants attached to a NeuroTyrant. Hive Tyrants cannot walk through Walls even if attached to Tyrant guard as the Hive Tyrant MODEL does not have infantry.

[@johnnyohm4579]

Further more in the rules commentary the rule for Fly is as follows “If a units data sheet has fly, that unit is said to be able to fly” the warrior data sheet does not have fly, thus they cannot fly.

[@MountainMiniatures]

​@@johnnyohm4579 but the warriors data sheet does have the fly key word. they gain it when the prime with wings joined them. i dont like it, its dumb. but it is currently RAW

[@johnnyohm4579]

@@MountainMiniatures no, the data sheet doesn’t have the fly keyword, otherwise they could fly irregardless of the issue at hand. When a rule concerning a keyword targets a model/unit the model/unit must have the keyword. A stand-alone unit of warriors does not have the fly keyword, they can’t fly. When a character joins a unit, the unit gains the keywords, the units data sheet does not gain the keyword.

[@Aaron-hn9hv]

Ymargls grapes 😊

[@AllbinP]

Comment for comment god xD

[@shadeling6717]

i do really like that detachment are playstyle and not this specific faction of an army. i still think it will make balance more out of whack for the tournie people.

[@vaettra1589]

These Tyranid glass cannon units doesn't seem to have much play even in the Vanguard detachment. Just push some Maleceptors/Haruspexes/Carnifexes in there for fall back + charge.