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@01sentiiack13 сағат бұрын
This update revealed the actual good players from the garbage. More than half of the player base heavily relied on back dash to save them from almost anything
@kartikverma17497 сағат бұрын
backdashes is a garbade i agree. but the m1 fients deal WAY too much damage. I think they should reduce the true damage and increase the healable damage
@le__detective23 сағат бұрын
As a shotgun main that plays this game a lot, the dash nerf and feints make the game 1000 times more challenging for me 😭
@Vitemcpipe22 сағат бұрын
finally a person who's like me, I'll find myself having to predict m1 and feints since the dashes are bad, can't double dash because of the same reason, and counter now is so common you'd get an average of 5-10 per bar of health, that's crazy.
@carljohanson389522 сағат бұрын
@@Vitemcpipe it's good people can't rely on brainless double dashing to get out of dangerous situations.
@jack-azote277819 сағат бұрын
@carljohanson3895me when my opponent abuses backdash and double dash while I can't because of ping
@01sentiiack13 сағат бұрын
That just means you're garbage
@_Waluigi22 сағат бұрын
"In a feint-based meta"
@theonlym1kken17 сағат бұрын
yeah that's what he said in the video, what's the point of reiterating it? because this is just, stupid
@_Waluigi17 сағат бұрын
@@theonlym1kken he says it so many times in his tier videos
@asdf-pd1uj17 сағат бұрын
It's true, light feints are so obnoxiously powerful and spammable
@rizkyharry975514 сағат бұрын
@_Waluigi he says it all the time because it's completely true, the games combat has changed so much that trying to use PD's as your main damage output has been completely negated despite being the main source of damage in the past
@baddrtraybot499213 сағат бұрын
There’s 2 things I hate in this game feints and ghost
@cytrus_knight301723 сағат бұрын
Just met a shotgun player this morning, if you double barrage during pd apparently you can use your M1's and M2's with it... That was stronger than my ult as a whole dawg 😭😭😭
@waleter22 сағат бұрын
it does 90%
@IndifferentSpite21 сағат бұрын
I'll be sure to try this now (I don't have shotgun)
@koro39417 сағат бұрын
@waleter they know.
@ItsTrife16 сағат бұрын
that is bug abuse sir
@koro39414 сағат бұрын
@ 🤫
@thatguya96721 сағат бұрын
I can see peoples frustrations with the m1 feints, but having it gives you a chance against reaction/good ping gods. Now to be fair, last time I played was 5/6 months ago when wolf was considered good and Hawk around that time didn’t have a back dash, so I only remember how annoying it was fighting passive players and how impossible it was to fight reaction gods. I feel like M1 feints are good for the game. You can’t spam it cause it has a hidden cooldown. I get the frustration but it’s better than nothing in my opinion. Only time feints feel absolutely aids is when fighting against a counter style
@PlazaPlays43718 сағат бұрын
I fought a really cool player who could dodge all of my feints, so I think it might just be a skill disparity to predict feints and not double dash them for free. Net positives of the current state of the game are: The pace of the game is much faster, backdash isn’t a true escape option anymore, double dash is removed, perfect dodging is much more reliable on high ping, various cheese techs have been removed (R.I.P. Actionless Ghost Jab Guardbreak), separate perfect dodge timers so both players can dodge attacks. Bullet might be an issue at my level of play because of the high m1 feint counter bonus. I really think the game is in a better state than ever with the difficulty of perfectly balancing everything and not making the game too stale. The addition of feints means that players with better ping may not win every single interaction.
@ItsTrife16 сағат бұрын
you're just feinting too much
@PlazaPlays43714 сағат бұрын
Thanks Trife!
@pityfu20 сағат бұрын
The game's title should be changed to "untitled perfect dodge game"
@rhavols9 сағат бұрын
untitled guessing game
@thuantuyet780316 сағат бұрын
actually chronos’s base stat got a pretty high counter multiplier
@ItsTrife15 сағат бұрын
@@thuantuyet7803 only on m2s and its around as much as hands low
@thuantuyet780315 сағат бұрын
@ still pretty good for m1 feints tho :)
@ItsTrife15 сағат бұрын
@@thuantuyet7803 its capped
@thuantuyet780315 сағат бұрын
@ aw dang it
@londonfodor21 сағат бұрын
kimura in B?!?! thats wild -a kimura main
@IndifferentSpite21 сағат бұрын
LMAOOOO I hear you, I main corkscrew and kimura. But kimura is much more enjoyable
@rhavols9 сағат бұрын
@@IndifferentSpite thas js u cork is goated
@IndifferentSpite8 сағат бұрын
@rhavols I'm average at best man
@rhavols5 сағат бұрын
@@IndifferentSpite r u passive cz I main cork too
@thesmolboi784817 сағат бұрын
I mean, I feel like the buff to switch hit in terms of no perfect dodge works given that you're using static. Cause he's able to see everything coming like he did against Miyata.
@Kenshin-099 сағат бұрын
Yoo trife what hair did you used for mashiba avatar? Just asking thanks broo
@CopeandSeethe8008522 сағат бұрын
My only problem is that im really bad at fighting against m2 and m1 feint spamming iron fist but thats my skill issue
@МаксимЕжов-ы7р11 сағат бұрын
shotgun really went from "prodigy" to "expire" 😭😭😭
@enigmatic-wg8vq9 сағат бұрын
Its a canon event
@МаксимЕжов-ы7р9 сағат бұрын
@enigmatic-wg8vq ☠️☠️😭😭 but still, it's my fav style, and i will be with him. Whatever happens to him, I will be a man about whom they will write a legend 🥶🥶🏆
@waleter22 сағат бұрын
wolf's main playstyle atm is very counter-centered in terms of actually going for wins he does have the "rush in and slam your head on the keyboard" which is somewhat reliable, but my friend who uses counter can easily read me and just.. counter everything the more methodical way of using wolf is going for m2 counters- which let you land your m1 chain for free (and also your wf at the end, on your decision depending your opponent reads it)
@furplayzpg3d33323 сағат бұрын
I feel like shotgun should be in a or b tier atleast didn't think it would be the worst style in the game because i almost haven't lost a SINGLE match with shotgun except like 2 or 3 and mind u these people most of the time had higher kills than me so i would likely put it in b tier the least and let me tell u i also haven't lost a single time since its nerf so i kinda got confused with it being bad and i can deal with these nerfs most of the time
@brandonliu-wh6ih12 сағат бұрын
I think most of this is spot on, it’s just that, hands low’s base m1 damage is really uhm, disappointing to say the least. I agree with counter, I feel like hawk should be S, because usually they don’t need to back dash unless it’s like a shotgun double barrage.
@IndifferentSpite21 сағат бұрын
Its hard to nerf something, without making it utter garbage
@Different560-g1r22 сағат бұрын
Freedom the "worst style" in the game. No just no. freedom is arguably the best style in the game feints make freedom just the most unpredictable style in the game its only weakness is the fact that iron fist annilates freedom
@friedfish218022 сағат бұрын
Freedom just aint built for M1 feints.
@johncamargo970119 сағат бұрын
Eh kinda with double dashing getting eliminated males whirlwind pretty much useless aside from the swayback
@theonlym1kken18 сағат бұрын
Counter exists, mate. Freedom m1 feints? EASY reads and now you get countered, wanna know smth else that's funny? Freedom takes so much counter dmg.
@noobium533316 сағат бұрын
npc argument
@NimBlanc12 сағат бұрын
The best style to get your fragile guard shredded, agreed
@Kasekaizi9 сағат бұрын
Why you put the Freedom in tier C? And the smash is in tier A?? Freedom have 3 style have the SMASH too, isn't same??
@khmasterva69199 сағат бұрын
Freedom is Flexible. Smash is just a one style Meanwhile Freedom is basically 3 Styles but you have to actually master between when to switch and how to use them.
@ItsTrife9 сағат бұрын
80 hp + smash mode has worse dashes + less raw m1 damage + you wont have constant access to smash + worst block in the game on freedom mode + 80 hp
@Kasekaizi8 сағат бұрын
@@khmasterva6919 i mastered the switching style, it depends to the player who playing good at the game even using the worst style
@arcadedd22 сағат бұрын
Broski underrated chronos tbh
@duckank8 сағат бұрын
hands low is a little bit above counter because having greater dash, speed, attack speed is just better for me than thicker block and better damge. i would just dance around and take over my opponent and its so fun ( but the ult is trash ngl )
@maxwellboop17 сағат бұрын
This list is kinda of a joke on some styles due to the win rates and use rates, freedom at C tier? Bruh, say that to it's extremely high win rate for just spam dashing and people are not switching in freedom and just using hitman or smash mode and never change, freedom is A tier, but for shotgun... Got nerfed a lot but due to its ability to spam dash, B. And wolf and turtle in A? Is this some joke? They nerfed wolf to the ground that they removed all it's combos and have end lag on everything and turtle got nuked to C tier as they rework it to a Nerf, old turtle is A tier but now it's C, and wolf is B, and choros at B... Do you need a quick look at rank to know why even if choros is stats wise bad but has a lot of people using it... Cuz it can spam dash, basically all spam dashing styles are meta in the game, A tier, and the last one... Charge.... Excuse me what? The style that suffers from a bad ability and has a one side M2 and can't back dash or spam dash anymore? Do i say more? B tier
@No_enemieschai23 сағат бұрын
Why did you delete the other vid???
@ItsTrife23 сағат бұрын
processing errors
@No_enemieschai23 сағат бұрын
@@ItsTrifeoh i was hyped about the vid and then it says ( deleted) 😅
@einvious21 сағат бұрын
im getting used to dodging the m1 feints its fun
@ginabansales304014 сағат бұрын
Idk if i should use my style slot or trade it idk how to use it!
@bruuhguyy913014 сағат бұрын
DDLC mentioned in trife vids. Now my life is complete
@ItsTrife14 сағат бұрын
what?
@xxxphantom448623 сағат бұрын
Ur a real good youtuber keep up the good work
@thatguya96721 сағат бұрын
Hey off topic can someone explain to me the forward momentum that was removed for m1 feints? I keep hearing people complain on how they removed it but I just came back recently
@ercacone9 сағат бұрын
Basically a week or so before m1 feints got added drowning added this game mechanic called momentum. Essentially, when you dashed you could attack straight away without endlag; alongside to not having the endlag of the dash, your attacks were slightly faster than your normal attacks. The downsides of these momentum attacks are that you would've gotten extra endlag if you missed and you dealt slightly less damage (I don't remember if you got a bit more counter damage if you messed up though)
@thatguya9679 сағат бұрын
@ would’ve loved to have played before they removed it. That would make catching passive players so much easier.
@koro39417 сағат бұрын
sigma sigma
@Sans_1953 сағат бұрын
Bro.. Backdash degration buff is the best blessing i ahve received BRO EVERY AND I MEAN EVERYONE THAT I FIGHT ABUSE BACKDASHES
@Henibeeno12 сағат бұрын
Trife touched me brutally
@raymondcruz550723 сағат бұрын
Ty for this video I appreciate it
@randomvids314018 сағат бұрын
Idk if im happy or pissed my main (counter) is considered meta cause the whole point for me using counter is so im not called a meta slave ToT Edit: feints don't really help with counters if your opponent is smart enough to not throw a punch after dodging. Speaking from experience after fighting multiple passive corkscrews in the new update
@Stillnotaustrian17 сағат бұрын
i'm honestly glad backdash got nerfed, i swear i've lost to much elo to passive diamonds / world champs its not even funny, can't even catch up to them if they have a style with good dashes
@OGYREC19997 сағат бұрын
I am happy -Counter main
@Offendingeveryonerebooted17 сағат бұрын
Charge better than ippo? im not sure i can agree with u on that one
@dr.doctor487817 сағат бұрын
Well as an Ippo main When you do a m1 chain then suddenly use m2, some of my opponents can perfect dodge the m2 For some reason, they have a struggle doing the same when I use Charge. Another point is that Charge have slightly faster punches, making it easier to catch opponents in an m1 chain than Ippo
@ItzphantoMARTmc15 сағат бұрын
@@dr.doctor4878 plus you can hit Chagre's ability Way more consistently than ippo's
@SnowflakeTheProtogen11 сағат бұрын
Charge can whiff punish with stampede and you will be put in a situation where you can’t immediately counter attack nor dash spam
@galletaeditz6 сағат бұрын
Charge got slightly better stats than ippo
@AdTe22 сағат бұрын
5:32 LTG? 🤣😂
@Pabloelement13 сағат бұрын
Brush I'm a shotgun and freedom main and it's so difficult with this meta
@MarvenDante15 сағат бұрын
I think the heavy feint m1 was better than m1 heavy feint
@marycrisconos14 сағат бұрын
idk why i like to use counter and ippo
@Dedicated-23 сағат бұрын
holy guacamole
@NaoyaEvan15 сағат бұрын
Only 0.0001% to find Turtle user
@ItzphantoMARTmc15 сағат бұрын
Cuh I don't think they even exist
@MathisCallesen12 сағат бұрын
Never met a specimen of this almost extinct species.
@SenzuB3an14 сағат бұрын
is Freedom really that bad? Still like it
@SnowflakeTheProtogen11 сағат бұрын
This update gave people easy access to any mode at any time But it is slower than before to act immediately because i think the mode switch have cool down where you are actionable but can’t actually attack(or maybe it is just my fingers not moving fast enough)
@No_enemieschai23 сағат бұрын
UNDER MIN GANG
@MrCoolKidCross14 сағат бұрын
Hitman easily the best style , always win if u play at range and good at the game .
@wudez20 сағат бұрын
You put Chronos in B tier, whole list invalid.
@kalmluhkay13 сағат бұрын
ngl i quit this game i suck at rank i cant seem to get any better im at a 6200 rating it js sucks
@ByAGoooba15 сағат бұрын
Kimura S tier bro why? cuz its kimura its the best style it beats hand low cuz its kimura
@raymondcruz550723 сағат бұрын
Ur a rlly good KZbinr keep going
@Aslambzhik20 сағат бұрын
Can't agree with trickster placement it's too high I just finished farming its last title I never missed double dashing so much in my life
@cadenfeldman948415 сағат бұрын
I feel like you are over-generalizing the tier list categories, like that is a LOT in S tier.
@ItsTrife14 сағат бұрын
maybe, might consider B+ A A+ and S
@OnyxRBLX1021 сағат бұрын
No way freedom is C Tier
@curlyhead_keno447513 сағат бұрын
Another L tierlist please never make tier lists anymore dawg im begging you.
@michaelkissi-ys3xd22 сағат бұрын
Hawk nerf :/
@ThisGuyIsAnL14 сағат бұрын
i would really appreciate if bro stopped dancing in his videos (i cant focus cause its making me cringe sometimes idfk)