New York is Building a Skyscraper Jail

[@TheB1M]

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[@melsyoutube]

first it was ground news, now it’s straight arrow news?

[@alexanderf8451]

Unbiased reporting is not possible. Everyone has a perspective. Everyone has to choose to report on some things and not others. Any news sources claiming to be "unbiased" is either fooling themselves or lying to you.

[@estimatingonediscoveringthree]

@@TheB1M reminds me too much of 1984

[@ROBLOXGamingDavid]

@@alexanderf8451 its almost as if people want to believe "what they want to believe at". Obviously this is not a news reporting site, rather it's an aggregator site. But that's really down to whether if one really have their mental will to actually compare the article they are fascinated with.

[@DisinterestedParty]

Gee, it's almost like they are intentionally trying to chase the Chinese people out of Manhattan.

[@adoody28ify]

There's a distinct irony in building a prison taller than the Statue of Liberty 😂

[@marloscouting119]

They know what they’re doing lmao

[@alnone8726]

They seems want to make the prison as an belated society education center instead of making a better system for society as prevention. Or its just about money.. ..

[@rohitpv7676]

😅😅😅

[@InservioLetum]

Dev reply : Working as intended, ticket closed.

[@davidblanc458]

they sould move the statue onto manhattan and put the jail on the remote little island

[@mammothemil]

$2B to house 800 inmates? This is an insane waste of money.

[@joeshmoe4207]

Seems like it’s more than just to house inmates. No idea if it’s cost effective considering all the other function but it’s not just cells

[@DutchKing]

Private Prisons, reminds me of that movie where Rambo tries to break out of prisions. Then he got put in a private prision in middle of the ocean. I honestly think that's a realistic thing, some group of rich people prob. own a ship or a island and send their enemies there.

[@jordanphilipperris]

NYC' average rent for a bachelor pad is 3700 per month, and that is in US dollars to add an even nastier sting to that price tag🫥 So, to hear that they are doing something like this doesn't surprise me, well, okay, it kind of does😱 My question is thought, why would they want to do this when it is only going to remain empty given NYCs notorious catch and release?🤦🏼

[@Constantino619]

@@DutchKinglol 'Escape Plan' was just watching that last night and started part 2 this morning 😅

[@penultimateh766]

Well, real estate there is expensive and it's better than letting them roam free.

[@luk318]

The problems for old facility are human rights violations, brutality, lack of staff etc, so pretty much everything related to poor management. So solution for that is.......... new building??? Ok.

[@RabbiYitzchakBenForeskinowitz]

oyvey

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

To be fair, the facility is also falling apart and understaffed. A new facility addresses the maintenance issues and presumably includes features to make it easier to administer. But yes, a new building doesn't inherently solve the rest of that stuff.

[@alainportant6412]

​@@RabbiYitzchakBenForeskinowitz Rest assured that they're not going to turn bn people into lampshades, but what's most likely going to happen is that there will be a influx of bn people in Chinatown which will cause an exponential rise in attacks on Asians because bn people just love assaulting Asian people for like no reason, as in they just push them under subways and stuff. Exact same issues with bn people in France, it's almost like there's an anthropologic misfit of sorts between them and Asians. This is a well known phenomenon and whoever👃🏻 decided to build that thing in Chinatown 100% knew what they were doing yet they did it anyway, for the fun of it.

[@johannessamuelsson6578]

The US correctional system needs reform, but I'm afraid it's too big to reform

[@gertjanvandamme2068]

New yorkers are crazy like that. Most of their budget already goes to the nypd

[@Mefodon]

Jail-Scraper is a hell of a movie title 😂😂

[@paradox...]

Starring Dwayne Johnson no doubt 😆

[@pbjracing14yearsago49]

Sounds like a bad 90s movie 😂

[@Northstander]

Snakes in a jail?

[@Heyu7her3]

Chicago got it

[@A0A4ful]

Or a TV series, Episode I to X

[@WillWatches]

Not to be too cynical, but it also seems to me Rikers Island being that size would be a very valuable piece of land that they want to redevelop

[@AneudiD78]

They can't build tall because of the airport nearby, but you are correct, Rikers Island is very valuable real estate.

[@QueenetBowie]

They proposed extending La Guardia airport to Rikers but that got shut down. Honestly it’s right next to an airport so it would probably be an annoying place to live.

[@biggusy25]

@@QueenetBowie I don't know about that. They built the new Denver airport out in the middle of nowhere and now there are houses right up its @$$ hahaha

[@biggusy25]

I finally looked up Rikers on a map. Guaranteed SOMEONE wants that real-estate. Even if they can't build skyscrapers, that is still a LOT of room for low-rise apartments. Like that one island at the south tip of Miami Beach.

[@DutchKing]

It's got history lmafo, I think they will prob. convert it into some attraction like Alcatraz

[@Hortifox_the_gardener]

Oh. I didn't know New York actually still jails offenders.

[@Stonebrick]

Oh, have we already reached that point of the dystopian timeline?

[@Djamonja]

Escape from New York? ;)

[@PROVOCATEURSK]

Dystopian would be Little USA and Frenchtown in Beijing. Countries shouldn´t allow this nonsense. You are American now, are you not happy? Why do you indentify yourself as something else?

[@woth-th9gi]

Utopia

[@MrAbraxus666]

So what would you suggest as an alternative?

[@sandwich2473]

@@MrAbraxus666 building one outside of Manhattan maybe

[@BENKYism]

"justice hubs" sounds pretty dystopian

[@jeremylawson6648]

it is.

[@jimthar17]

Also woke. Like changing Christmas to “holidays”.

[@makinawake9178]

No more than 'Homeland Security'

[@makinawake9178]

​@jimthar17 What does racism have to do with this I mean other than adjacent

[@stansifer70]

Not surprised a woke leftist came up with that term.

[@bigvig209]

There is already a federal prison skyscraper in downtown Chicago

[@JayRiches]

Yep. Spent a yr in it.

[@adambahe9309]

Not only that, but a few years ago a prisoner escaped from the 17th floor by tying a bunch of BEDSHEETS together into a rope.

[@jordyb57]

6:38

[@wiesejay]

There’s one in Miami too

[@DJ_Kartier]

@@JayRiches How was it

[@Constantin_91]

Looks dystopian

[@conor7154]

Good. There’s not nearly enough prison space in the US. Criminals in the US can steal everything from a store, run out, quickly sell it, get caught, and then be back on the streets in hours in prosecutors just let them off. The excuse is that “there isn’t enough jail space.” Let’s stop giving them excuses.

[@conor7154]

What’s dystopian is criminals having free rein over a city and being allowed to do multiple smash and grabs every day to the point that businesses all start fleeing because the criminals are just let out hours later. But I’m sure you don’t have any problem with that, just something actually being done about it, right?

[@cloroxbleach2520]

Land of the free, y'all

[@conor7154]

@@cloroxbleach2520Free to break into stores and get away with it

[@Alex-cw3rz]

​​​​@@conor7154 1. They never said build no prisons, the prison doesn't have to be built in the city 2. crime is on the downward trend 3. The USA has the highest prisoner population in the world, because of a lack of focus on rehabilitation meaning there is a very high recidivism rate. Focus on that would help out more than making a dystopian prison that your only excuse for being built is an emotional strawman.

[@Tyrell_Corp2019]

This is the new version of "affordable housing" in NYC.

[@richardadams6988]

NYC is already like a jail !!

[@namrehh]

Mega jail before affordable housing exposes their priorities

[@smallcube-zn2mm]

@@richardadams6988 it's the most technology advanced city in the world

[@zenithperigee7442]

@@smallcube-zn2mm , lol is that why in some areas, crime is rampant, there are piles of trash and infestations of rats where also a "shoebox" apartment costs two to three thousand dollars or more per month to rent.... Absolutely insane! I'd much rather live in a "less technologically advanced city" in that case where criminals are actually prosecuted, streets are kept clean, housing is NOT "in crisis" but is abundant, affordable and doesn't look like "China's stacked, multi-unit gov't housing facilities"....

[@sandrajones8245]

To be fair, these inmates are going to be living the life. A manhatten apartment, with views of the trade centre and central park, free living, free food, free clothes. The cells are probably going to be bigger then some of the apartments I've seen in NYC

[@boreduser1583]

Look into “for profit” jails…. These should banned. No one should profit from jails!

[@DalerMehndiDeekSheik]

That's not what these are. You're talking about private prisons. They only make up something like 8% of total state and federal inmates. They should represent 0%, but still, it's not as prevalent as people insinuate.

[@cliveashleyhamilton]

Why?

[@davidgreen5994]

@@cliveashleyhamilton Many reasons. When you have profits involved, there is an incentive for the system to jail people for lesser crimes and longer sentences to satisfy the demand of those with financial interests. There is also the problem that jail should rehabilitate convicts, not just punish them. But private prisons are essentially labor camps, that use convicts as very cheap labor, or even unpaid. The other problem is that often times, those private entities that are supposed to be more efficient and cost effective for the state, end up costing the state more money than the state doing it themselves, as the private sector sees the state as a cow to milk with bloated prices. Additionally, the profit/business-oriented style of private companies, let's a lot of space for poor conditions and abuse. And finally is the moral problem. The state can use legitimate violence against the citizens, according to the social contract, for the greater good and benefit of the society. That under no circumstances should be outsourced to an entity that does it for profit.

[@deltafire12]

Hey. Can’t you argue that it’s a violation of your 6th amendment right if you ever get sent to a “for profit” prison?

[@ghostferatu6241]

Cool it with the anti-Semitic remarks.

[@davebartosh5]

Thanks B1M for making the distinction between jails and prisons...The media often uses those terms interchangably, incorrectly.

[@matthewbarabas3052]

they are the same thing.

[@Steven-le5oc]

No they aren't by a long shot but keep being wrong​@@matthewbarabas3052

[@GodTierComments]

What if I told you the B1M is the media

[@lukefrahn8538]

and yet failed to make the distinction between epstein's suicide and "suicide"

[@shaunooi2551]

No, I'm pretty sure jails are meant to house people before they are convicted of a crime. Prisons are after. So, like, before and after the court case. ​@@matthewbarabas3052

[@sc3pt1c4L]

"suicide". Sure....

[@raspas99]

Quite literally the second he said that I stopped the video disliked it and went to comments :D

[@oa1017]

He was definitely mossad

[@ishotuknok]

Same

[@esesininkas]

@@raspas99 Maybe time to touch some grass?

[@remnant-hearts]

B1M should do a video on the interesting architecture on Little Saint James island.

[@samurai_jack_1]

So. They wont arrest criminals. Yet they are building a jail. Right.

[@AlexDaigleTV]

For the comments on cost-effectiveness: The average jail time in New York State is around 30-40 days, so it would host anywhere from 7000 to 10,000 inmates per year. As the video explains, a jail houses inmates that are awaiting trial/sentencing; Convicts serving sentences are in prisons.

[@FREEFROMITALL]

Typical Democrat money laundering to special interests. 2000 million dollars and an eyesore.

[@Ruffy009]

Isnt still way too expensive? The cost is supposed to be 2.000.000.000$ lets say the building lasts 100 years (which is generous i'd say). That would mean 20.000.000$ per year or 2000$ per Inmate. (Not including Operating costs). That sounds like way too much.

[@AlexDaigleTV]

The average jail construction cost is $500,000 - $1 million per bed in NYC, so that makes this new facility quite expensive, yes. But for a 29-story specialized building in Manhattan, that’s to be expected. Also, to put things into perspective, NYC jails, including Rikers Island (set to close in 2027), average a cost of $1,524 per day for every inmate, and that does not include the cost to build or renovate the facilities. That means it will likely cost another $445 million a year to operate this jail. The real questions we should be asking are: Why does the U.S. have a higher incarceration rate than any other developed country? And how can we fix the justice system to make it more effective and sustainable?

[@mustang8206]

@@Ruffy009 The jail is also supposed to have space for the community, so the budget isn't just being spent on the prisoners. Also, if we want jails to be more humane, then don't we want the government to make sure its built to a high standard?

[@nonyafkinbznes1420]

@@AlexDaigleTV The US is also the most diverse developed country. Why aren't other countries welcoming diversity?

[@blakecampbell-taylor2865]

@12:26 these people are so insanely out of touch with reality. Who is going to willingly hang out at a prison? How can a prison be a “community space”

[@i-love-comountains3850]

This is a great example of the Doublespeak that will continue to ramp up until yooth-an-eye-zation and/or forced sterilization of all inmates is referred to as "community safety protocols."

[@lukeh2440]

Why are they complaining so hard tho…there was a prison tower in the exact spot before. They’re building a bigger one on the same site. It’s their prerogative

[@TheNorminalHuman]

yeah, who is crazy enough to go buy food below a jail, also a huge security risk.

[@TheNorminalHuman]

Instead they could just make a hospital in its place.

[@TheNorminalHuman]

But then I guess it's a jail you can't put it in a remote location like a prison.

[@oboealto]

The often overlooked music, sound effect, and mixing work in this video is absolutely brilliant.

[@aaronwood1184]

You're my new favourite person 😘

[@WBTravels]

Actually it isnt: Seattle has a very large at least 30 story high tower on 3rd avenue, that is in fact a jail: It is directly connected to the Seattle courthouse via a skybridge

[@grilledwaffle]

Chicago has a jailscraper too

[@altabq4880]

San Diego as well

[@mustang8206]

watch the video bruh

[@BetterWorse-ge6ci]

You are also sentenced to jail for crimes with convictions of up to 1 year. There is wiggle room, if the judge allows it and DOC accepts but it's a 1 year limit. Jail isn't only for those waiting to be tried.

[@conor7154]

It’s harder to actually go to jail than get out in the US. You would have to actually murder someone to be sentenced to prison in NY and even then there’s a good chance you’ll be out in about a year depending on what your skin color is…

[@kevinz.9785]

I was just going to comment this, prisons are sentences over a year in the US at least.

[@XandateOfHeaven]

That is correct, however it's about 70% of the jail population is unconvicted.

[@BetterWorse-ge6ci]

@@XandateOfHeaven And I care why? They shouldn't be repulsive criminals. They need to go back.

[@philipcox5041]

​@@kevinz.9785two years in some states.

[@Pihsrow421]

CECOT, El Salvador's largest prison and one of the world's largest, cost $115 million to house 40,000 inmates. Those mismanaging such funds are the ones who should be jailed.

[@willythemailboy2]

If you've seen anything about HOW those inmates are housed you'd understand why that's not possible in the US. Not one aspect of that prison would pass the "cruel and unusual punishment" standard US courts apply.

[@nicovandyk3856]

The demoncrats are pocketing again…

[@Dkural55]

ohh yeah ???What are the living conditions like in el salvador prison??

[@MaseraSteve]

Everything priced in america is a joke! Especially a spacious home in my country with 12X30 square meter or 3875 square feet of land is costing us $30,000 brand new!!

[@willythemailboy2]

@@Dkural55 First, every person in that prison is there for life. No exceptions. Second, they're kept in bunkroom style open 80-bunk cells with 2 toilets for the generally 100+ prisoners in each (and that's with the prison at about 1/3 designed capacity). Each prisoner has about 0.6 square meters of floor space in the cell, and they're kept in those cells 23.5 hours a day. The other half hour is "exercise" time during which they remain shackled. Third, no contact is allowed in or out of the prison. That includes no visitors, no calls, no legal council, nothing. It's intended as a form of soft execution much like the Soviet Gulags, as so far as the outside world can tell you may already be dead and they'd never know.

[@pyramidacid]

The European mind cannot comprehend this

[@daybyday3840]

America has black people thats why.

[@ThisWeekInStupid]

Mexico, and blacks, black men are 13% of america and commit 70% percent of murders. thats who does the most prison time, not many white gang members, never seen a swastika tattoo in real life. thats the farthest south, we had cartel running wild becaue of kamala.

[@sciteceng2hedz358]

Because you Europeans are so far superior... LOL.

[@leonardodalongisland]

I'll bet there's a LOT about my country you guys have trouble with-after all we do a lot of stupid sh*t.

[@Akimbo411]

Europe doesn't have enough blacks to require prisons like these but you all are getting there.

[@erasmus_locke]

Or they could have fixed Rikers Island...

[@FastFerrari82]

That's too sensible. Gotta make it more complicated.

[@WYO_Dirtbag]

Yeah, if they could start building higher rise facilities there... though people hate Rikers because the history and name of it, and some people object to the "idea of pushing inmates off to an island out of sight", however, they also don't like the idea of housing inmates down the road from them. So idk what to tell people like that. Reform can be had, especially for treating mental illness, but end of the day, a jail or prison is like a landfill, we don't like them but we have to have them.

[@miker6570]

To add to making that plan more complicated. It could cost more money than than the plan they already have.

[@dennis2376]

@@WYO_Dirtbag They can not build a high rise there do to the airport. The airport has height restriction.

[@misterclayton8]

@@WYO_Dirtbagyou really can’t build higher LaGuardia airport is right next to it. Secondly this city is spending tens of millions just to transport prisoners to the 4 different courthouses in the city. Each borough has its own court system. I still think rikers should be part of the system the system can be more efficient if we spread the prisoners out more.

[@ariescustom]

People in NYC are complaining that the authorities are too lenient on criminals and now they're complaining about the building of a facility to help alleviate that problem? Make up your mind, people. 🤣

[@Seang-um8lk]

NIMBY 101

[@liamwinter4512]

This is exactly what MegaCity one needs.

[@hitthedeck4115]

Damn right!

[@TheFailLord72]

Exactly what I thought of when I saw the thumbnail. Had to check the reference, but I assumed it could only be one thing.

[@flippert0]

Beat me to it!

[@BaDArxz]

The absolute lack of prosecution in that city is justification enough for Judge Dredd to make his debut

[@user-ee9cz6mc1x]

First iso block

[@estimatingonediscoveringthree]

3:55 only 886 inmates! For $500 million building!

[@JVN800]

Prison barges Prison barges are floating jails that have been used to house inmates in various places around the world. For example, the Vernon C. Bain Correctional Center was a prison barge that operated in New York City from 1992 to 2023. The barge was built to temporarily relieve overcrowding at Rikers Island, the city's main jail complex. We should have continued to use and upgrade prison barges.

[@tonyducks1121]

0:43 Actually 2 billion USD.

[@WYO_Dirtbag]

At 500 mil, 566k per inmate, at 2 billion, it's 2.2 million per space. Honestly though, that's really not too much, I am sure they have it planned for use for like a 40 or 50 year building and as we know, they would keep using it for 90 years until it's literally crumbling. The cost of incarceration is astronomical. Low estimates I'm seeing is at least $168,000 per jail inmate per in NYC and that was in 2013.

[@FerociousPancake888]

Putting people in jail and prison is WAY more expensive than investing in the community to ensure they are happy and feel fulfilled (which statistically leads to far less crime.) I mean every inmate in America, on average, costs the taxpayer $160,000 PER YEAR. That’s just the average, think about how expensive high profile inmates, high security inmates, disabled inmates, and elderly inmates are. Our prison system doesn’t work and it’s the biggest drain on taxpayer money in modern American history.

[@namrehh]

incarceration is a big business

[@DarthHater100]

A compromise we've used in Canada before, is to have the builder invest several million in the surrounding community, repaving their streets, building parks and swimming pools, adding landscaping and trimming overgrown trees and bushes, or other improvements that the city isn't really doing. Builders get to solve a problem, people in community are happy, and the politician who brokered the deal looks good. Win-win!

[@straightouttheshed]

Chicago has had a skysccraper jail for DECADES

[@ChrisD72]

Skyscrapers are usually 150 meters tall the jail in chicago is not a skyscraper at only 80 meters tall. It would not be considered a skyscraper.

[@PNathaniel]

Facts

[@PNathaniel]

And it is max security

[@matt5721]

​@@ChrisD72Skyscrapers are 10 stories and always have been Your can take your pretend euro clarifications where they belong, your continent didn't build anything that tall before you had color television

[@michaellaval-lindley4482]

@@ChrisD72This jail is scheduled to be only 90 meters high so it is not technically a skyscraper. But both are high rises.

[@blender_tom]

1:59 I believe you meant "allegedly died by suicide"

[@Kodakcompactdisc]

I knew the tinfoil hats would pull him on that, I’m just surprised there isn’t more 😂

[@adime8073]

All that skepticism reserved for “tinfoil” ideas. You present as less than literate in the field of media uptake. It’s fine , Morning Joe will break it down for you one day….right? (No)

[@princehotbuns658]

Bro did not kill himself sorry but you’d have to be uncommonly gullible to believe he did

[@Kodakcompactdisc]

@ I don’t care if he did or not.

[@adime8073]

@@Kodakcompactdisc better than risking “doing too much”

[@kevenclinton4970]

Why not put it on Rikers Island ,no that makes to much sense .

[@jck7986]

A jail on a prime location…. Unbelievable

[@PROVOCATEURSK]

A prime location? It´s full of people that don´t consider themselves American.

[@JeffBilkins]

At least it is not a surface parking lot so there is that.

[@MrWarrenRB]

The jail must be in the city. They don't have much choice, if they want to close rikers island.

[@nedludd7622]

@@MrWarrenRB There are 5 boroughs in NYC, four of which have lots of empty land.

[@david91lvb]

@@JeffBilkins This would be the only time where a parking lot would be better

[@celestinevalan7566]

New jail rises above the height of the Statue of Liberty.... This can't be real

[@i-love-comountains3850]

To quote one Childish Gambino... _"This is America."_

[@jonothankaplan]

@@i-love-comountains3850 Yeah he is such an austere philosophical scholar. My fav philosopher frfr.

[@PROVOCATEURSK]

USA hasn´t had any liberty since the two party tyranny.

[@AL-lh2ht]

Statue of Liberty isnt thatt tall compared to modern buildings.

[@FilmscoreMetaler]

Statue of liberty fits exactly into that jail, kinda ironic.

[@matthewbernard4152]

New York is already full of them you just think they’re called apartment and office buildings 😂

[@paanjang16]

Looking at the site at google maps, it is just a stones throw away from the new York supreme courthouse and other smaller courthouses. So it makes sense to build it nearby. However I do think making it a jailscaper and the tallest jail makes it an eyesore. If the had made it blend with the surroundings there won't be so much backlash.

[@ArefRichardForster-mr2qj]

Why not build in the deep? Earthscraper

[@XandateOfHeaven]

See that's the thing, there always was a jail on that site. The issue is the giant eye sore that apparently can only house a thousand prisoners.

[@neckpain111]

There was a jail on that site . They could have rehabbed it. But so many palms greased....

[@chihchang1139]

Maybe move the courthouses to Rikers then instead of moving Rikers into Chinatown.

[@misterclayton8]

@@chihchang1139the issue is each borough has its own court system DA and court house…they operate similar to counties and used rikers as a central jail location for these jurisdictions. Also when they pool juries for the trial they are only pulled from the specified borough not the city as a whole. Hope this gives some more insight.

[@GreatLordEli]

We in The Netherlands already had this, it was called "Bijlmerbajes" but it closed in 2016 and was demolished in 2018-2020

[@MartijnPennings]

Well, there are some differences. It was a prison (i'm not sure we even have jails?) for about 600 inmates divided among 6 towers of about 12-14 stories high. 2 towers were allocated to psychiatric patients. They were built in the outskirts of Amsterdam, far from the center.

[@BettyNelson-z5d]

urbanplanadvisor AI fixes this. New York skyscraper jail controversy.

[@Stuntman175]

In 30 years time, real estate sellers will be talking about Rikers Island being "such a peaceful and idyllic place to live and to raise family in" and the prison will be nothing more than a memorial site buried in some obscure corner of the island. They could have very well slowly tear it down and rebuilt it upwards to be more space efficient, but with such close proximity with LaGuardia Airport, it's bound to be turned into a series of either luxury high rise condos or single lot mansions with private yacht docks, sorta like those man made islands in Biscayne Bay, Miami.

[@bendybus5165]

watch it develop into luxury apartments, right next door to la guardia, and then have the new homeowners complain about the noise.

[@jayhpaq]

They should expand the airport onto the island so as to double its size.

[@red_skies80]

@@bendybus5165shut down the airport over noise concerns

[@nonyafkinbznes1420]

@@bendybus5165 But not to worry, there will be a portion of "affordable housing" that your tax dollars will pay for too.

[@RogerFairthorne]

If the real estate developers could get their hands on Riker's Island, they'd need only a year or two.

[@Leeroy49]

As long as the US goes on like it is today Jan Lee is right. Every new jail is going to be overcrowded in no time. Did people really believe it was ok to breath in dust? ...

[@cashewnuttel9054]

Ever considered exe... you know... the really bad ones?

[@raystewart3648]

1993 Back then whilst at college, studying design and art, I predicted that the future would see Prisons in skyscrapers, as it would stop us from bulldozing trees and creating a more harmful env for all animals. Yet it did not take.

[@EB-yu2ok]

Maybe this is just me being Dutch, but how about doubling the size of Rikers Island and building a respectable jail next to it?

[@xdxdsheep]

The money to build new land and new buildings may even be cheaper

[@EvilThunderB0lt]

New Yorkers are not skilled in reclaiming land from the sea! But also, the land around Manhattan is likely much deeper than the polder systems you are used to.

[@neckpain111]

Correct. And plenty of unused land on rikers island rather than tearing down a fortified jail in middle of residential area!

[@namrehh]

its because they want to develop housing on rikers, land is more valuable than buildings in NYC

[@BoliceOccifer]

exactly

[@AliasA1]

That monstrosity is absolutely cartoonishly dystopian, my god

[@ExtremeObservations]

Why are the people protesting when there was already a large prison in the same spot before?

[@feller6766]

Would make for an epic jailbreak

[@blakecampbell-taylor2865]

Easy to escape from. NYC is a very easy place to disappear in.

[@Dius765RS]

Judge Dredd - approves of this vital infrastructure... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@SamTimelapseMan]

New yorkers: "We need more prisons." The State: "Here you go." New yorkers: "Not in my neighborhood pal."

[@rykbrown1893]

This is the dumbest idea I've ever heard of! You've got a fucking island! Rebuild there!

[@matthewbarabas3052]

plot twist: that island is gonna be reveloped as low income housing. that looks like a prison.

[@technicalmuffin]

@@matthewbarabas3052 thats the real kicker

[@jimjonesbyrdgang3610]

Zero space left without demolition and or major terrain changes. Too much money.

[@namrehh]

@@matthewbarabas3052 either that or luxury waterfront property.

[@namrehh]

@@jimjonesbyrdgang3610 less space than what's available in Manhattan? Why does the currently flat terrain need changing?

[@andromedach]

So the real reason is to free up the land of Rikers Island for expensive development? That is a lot of land which just happens to have that little old airport nearby that could expand into it. Amazing

[@cjspyker]

laguardia already has a 5-year plan

[@Tavish333]

This is so stupid. NYC is already crowded enough. There’s so much country just ten miles outside of NYC lmfao. And it only houses 900 inmates… that’s nothing for a city of millions… 😂 such a waste of tax money!

[@asdfqwerty-u9n]

they are like children - the court demands the inmates here in 2 minutes .... 10 miles are a 5min ride so its to much and long

[@Getyurfactsstrait]

"Suicide"....🤣🤣🤣

[@Mojo545]

Came to the comments to look for this

[@BihaanDash]

How is that funny?

[@cahesar]

@@BihaanDash more like "he was suicided"

[@lesliehardy1843]

@@BihaanDash Epstein didn't kill himself.

[@KidKingdomHearts]

Because we all know Epstein didn't kill himself lol

[@auroreleva7785]

A criminal will have a better view of Nyc than me 😂😂🙃

[@So_Meh]

INSANE.

[@yazansaleh1306]

Another great video from the B1M

[@TheB1M]

Thank you!! 🙌

[@Prosperous.Intuition]

All your videos are so well made every upload is a gem and has me in anticipation definitely my favorite

[@dogstar7]

You may be unfamiar with the Federal Metropolitan Correction Facility in Chicago. It is a highrise tower in the South Loop district, just a quarter-mile from the Art Institute

[@XandateOfHeaven]

Technically it's not a skyscraper because it's only 80 meters tall, and not 150 meters usually used to define skyscrapers.

[@evlee1295]

It’s literally in the fucking video are you people really this dense

[@MathsGameArt]

6:34 did you watch the video

[@seanmurphy3753]

And they should move that to Indiana and get it out of Chicago too. Get this crap out of the city so the city can be beautiful and for the local people who contribute tot he community, not these arrested people.

[@XandateOfHeaven]

@seanmurphy3753 I don't think you can move people in city/county jail out of state

[@stbrian1861]

I believe that, in the future, Rikers Island will be absorbed by LGA .

[@jaxz4986]

Instead of fixing Rikers Island, they've decided to build a monstrous jail in the middle of the city

[@yukyuk22]

When the movie "Escape from New York" becomes real life

[@morlamweb]

In that movie, the whole of Manhattanwas walled off from NJ and the other boroughs. This isn't that.

[@DokisKalin1]

or the exact opposite?

[@blademasterzero]

Spider-man would never of wanted this

[@tylerkochman1007]

First? There’s a skyscraper jail in Chicago already, for those pending trial at the federal courthouse.

[@XandateOfHeaven]

Skyscrapers are usually over 150 meters tall, and the one in Chicago is only 80 meters.

[@Gravitics]

This isnt the first jail skyscraper. There are multiple in USA.

[@psyffee3755]

No there are not. A skyscraper is defined as usually being at least 100 meters tall. This would be the first.

[@Gravitics]

@@psyffee3755 there is no universally accepted definition, other than being very tall high-rise buildings. Which there are definitely a few in USA.

[@maxheadrom3088]

Thanks for making the distinction between Prisons and Jail! A jail is really bad for the region.

[@boredphysicist]

Literally why, just create a ferry to a jail outside Manhattan.

[@ROBLOXGamingDavid]

Undeveloped land in islands that are far out from the restricted areas (like airports or highly sensitive sites) may work best. Otherwise, they would have just put the planned closure of Rikers Island on hold if they say it's becoming a priority to hold defendants in detention.

[@jtgd]

“No more jails” Complains about the bad conditions of old jails We can be NIMBYs, but we do have criminals who should not be back on the streets So it’s either old and bad conditions, or a new jail.

[@Robespierre-lI]

Agreed .... But in this particular case, it might be worth questioning whether the location may actually be worthy of criticism. There are much less expensive plots of land in New York City, for example. Whatever happened to the old New York habit of putting everything they don't want to see on the border with NJ in Staten Island, for example? (I say this as someone who was born on the Jersey side of the border.) I can think of four big plots of land over there which would be great to hide a prison out of view.

[@chihchang1139]

Can we invest $15B on rebuilding Rikers instead? This "community center" is a waste of money. And putting Rikers in Chinatown is realistically going to endanger the public.

[@willythemailboy2]

Someone should inform NYC about the whole "not let criminals back on the streets" idea. Their most recent "bail reform" has gone WAY too far in the wrong direction.

[@Game_Hero]

Or the option lacking on your choices : fixing the old jail.

[@zcorpalpha2462]

Need this cause the older jail was permanently closed due to massive age decay 🔥

[@djemergency512]

New York out here building Arkham Asylum

[@dudermcdudeface3674]

Big developers really do Machiavellian with real estate strategies. If that jail drives people out of the surrounding area, they'll buy it and build large. And when Rikers finally closes, the island is a substantial plot of undeveloped land in the middle of Manhattan.

[@ethanarch]

There’s already a large jail there, why would property values change?

[@red2977]

Rikers Island is part of the Bronx. It isn't in the middle of Manhattan. Its connected to Queens.

[@dudermcdudeface3674]

@@red2977 Meant to say the city.

[@MrBarrageman]

Rikers Island will NEVER be developed again. No one will EVER want to live there

[@dudermcdudeface3674]

@@MrBarrageman They'll rename it and people will forget. It's inevitable.

[@AnonyMous-nl7ig]

During a life threatening emergency how and where would inmates in a tower-jail be evacuated. This scenario could create safety concerns for local residents

[@markpfeifer1402]

If only there was an island close by where we could put a jail. Hmm. Oh yeah, there IS.

[@pelasion5099]

Staten Island? 😂

[@DragonsAndDragons777]

JUDGE DREDD REFERENCE?!?!

[@ConnorEduard]

JEFFERY EPSTEIN REFERENCE!

[@A2Z2REAL]

Diddeadit

[@flippert0]

Pretty much!

[@maxtryme1508]

Whats wrong with jails. Build it outside of towns.

[@parkerflorence5332]

Jailscraper? Call it a Sky Jail

[@malkomalkavian]

There's no crime in the sky

[@hamstersmash]

Probably cheaper to live in for New York

[@ExtremeObservations]

That borough-based jail plan actually sounds really good. Better access to the justice system, better spread through the city… smaller too!

[@danielforrest2952]

Thumbnail is wrong Chicago already has a skyscraper jail so nyc can’t make the first one

[@XandateOfHeaven]

It's technically not a skyscraper, it's only 80 meters tall

[@danielforrest2952]

@ errrrm technically it’s a proof of concept of a vertical stacking system in an urban environment that brings the undesirables closer to god 😂😂😂(I am joking and I did actually expect someone to point out that is only 28 stories tall but it is a building that is much taller than it is wide in the centre of Chicago)

[@XandateOfHeaven]

@@danielforrest2952 You're not wrong in the sense that they're the same in concept, this is probably just why the video said it was the first.

[@FATHOLLYWOODB123]

As a NYC resident, you cant really build horizontally, you have to build vertically. There's not enough space haha

[@Stetsტn]

“Worlds first” there’s been one in Chicago for decades

[@szj3255]

truly a symbol of American culture

[@SpaceDust_vr]

Another banger from Fred 🔥

[@m.c4210]

That’s a really depressing building.

[@DarylSolis]

Do you think criminals are gonna hang around outside a jail?

[@st0rmchild]

It scrapes…jails?

[@FoxOnFilm2209]

The name doesn’t make sense

[@mymaingoal......3440]

Sky-jail

[@CaptainM792]

Jailscraper Undesirable No.1

[@magicstarfish]

Jail or prison should be next to the supreme court, efficiency. Walk through the corridor instead of vehicle transfer.

[@donchaput8278]

For those saying it will "Only" house 850+, this is a short term Jail with high turnover, not a long term stay prison. So you handle way more people than 850. Also can you fathom what it costs to build anything in NYC? Unfortunately no matter where it's built people will complain, I just hope that they spend the little bit extra and build it right rather than cutting corners. It costs a lot more to fix stuff than to do it right the first time.

[@namrehh]

jails should be built away from densely populated areas. they could easily spend that amount to overhaul rikers but i'm sure they want that waterfront property for something "better"

[@gregorymalchuk272]

How many people did the recently demolished Tombs hold?

[@donchaput8278]

@@gregorymalchuk272 Basically the same amount

[@donchaput8278]

@@namrehh all of NYC through Poughkeepsie is densely populated? Where would you put them? Then you have to transport them back and forth to the court district they were arrested in plus pay some other county to house them. Adds an insane amount of overhead to have them somewhere else

[@cashewnuttel9054]

In SimCity games, residential and commercial don't like having prisons nearby.

[@jrisner6535]

"Art Deco" is a very generous description 😂

[@TheHersonCastillo]

I wonder why not Tribeca, SoHo, The Upper East Side, The Upper West Side, etc...🤔

[@Ray03595]

Around the rich people? How would they survive!

[@elliotbaines2100]

1. The city already owns the land 2. The land was already used as a jail so no change in land use. 3. All of the Manhattan court houses are in the neighborhood 4. Great subway access for visitors

[@CHRISPYakaKON]

Mayor Eric Adam’s forcing a megajail into Chinatown despite campaigning on NOT building one there is wild.

[@SuperValue350]

Eric is a clown.

[@will8831]

He's ruined your city and hates asians

[@DewtbArenatsiz]

That's called being a politician

[@JiHu-d8c]

She wants to call jail “justice hubs”. Cop arresting person “YOURE GOING TO JUSTICE” 🤦🏽‍♀️😂

[@BadYogiAGB]

Absolutely idiotic idea. There are millions of acres beyond the city limits for a fraction of the cost.

[@razzle1964]

Yes, but THIS one appears to be sending some kind of message to a particular economic rival!🤔😉✌️

[@red_skies80]

I think transportation costs are part of the reason for this location

[@LazyJared69]

You clearly didn't watch the whole video and you must not know the difference between jail and prison. They covered this in the video. Inmates need to go from jail to court. Transportation already costs $30 million a year, IN the city. Inmates miss court dates because the jail bus sits in NYC traffic for too long. Jails need easy access to their local courthouses in order for the trials to take place. Prisons can be built outside city limits and they are. Too many people don't know the difference between jail and prison. Building a jail for NYC outside of NYC is the absolutely idiotic idea.

[@SnoofyAir]

First Jail Skyscraper? We have one in Chicago, MCC lol

[@johnallenbailey1103]

Tallest. Not 1st

[@tobias-steinert]

Why are they wasting this expensive land for jail space in New York? Can't they just build jails somewhere outside the city?

[@qaulwart]

Literally explained in the video

[@kovy689]

How does this affect Lebron’s legacy?

[@conor7154]

He’s still working on that Malcom X biography…

[@DC9848]

Just have video calls to courts like in El Salvador. No need to transport the inmates at all and save tens of millions per year and reduce congestion. You can use that money to make rikers a better place

[@conor7154]

I don’t know if it needs to be a “better place.” They can certainly make it much larger though.

[@Bite-Size-Tech]

Why can’t they just a bus to one built in upstate in middle of nowhere rather than NYC?

[@jbrudert]

Makes sense. Build a modern, safe, jail. Mixed use, and have inmates working in a Whole foods, Starbucks, and Riteaid on first floor.

[@kaizhang5811]

pretty good deal considering people pay thousands of dollars and you get to live in new york for free

[@WYO_Dirtbag]

And you get food and free basic healthcare.

[@nacoran]

Remote prisons cause their own problems. One of the most effective ways to lower recidivism rates is to keep inmates integrated with their families. That means things like making it easy for family members to visit. By putting prisons far away from the population centers makes that financially difficult for family members to visit. There is also a weird thing in NYS where prisoners, who aren't allowed to vote, are counted on the census in the county the prison is located. This gives remote small counties higher voting population. Since they are reliant on the prisons for their economy they tend to vote for more laws that encourage high incarceration rates because the prisons are such a large percent of their economic activity. Moving jails closer to population centers could make it easier to keep people close to their families, lowering recidivism rates. Also, it would be a smaller percentage of the local economy, making it less likely people are going to vote for higher incarceration rates just to pump up the economy. I'm fine with finding other ways to help poor and remote counties with their budgets besides prisons and garbage dumps. Rural colleges, tourism investment and things like that to help keep them solvent, but there are too many side effects of putting some things out in the wilderness.

[@CulturedThugPoster]

Epstein .. 'suicide' ?? No-one actually believes that narrative. Also the jail reminds me of Judge Dredd comics .. the 'cubes', massive monolithic retention blocks.

[@ikGREENY]

“No more jail” what a stupid message.

[@northeast8215]

It's always hilarious when "community rooms", "galleries", and "parks" are drawn into the artistic renderings of these horrible buildings. As if any human being wants to hang out near a 40-storey jail!

[@Fuckedreflection]

There’s a Starbucks too