The Road to Avengers Secret Wars: ALL Incursions Doctor Strange’s FAULT?

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Avengers Secret Wars may be swapping Kang for Doctor Doom, based on the latest rumors about Doctor Strange 3 that may be adapting the Avengers Time Runs Out storyline. Erik Voss explains what it means that Marvel Studios may be redefining the Multiverse Saga crisis as a matter of magic rather than science.
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[@Dinoco-42]

hi

[@lt.langle]

Look at the traffic on your channel usually there's hundred of comments on this one you have 2

[@BiffcheeseSpinoccoli]

@newrockstars Think the direction change might have something to do with Jonathan Majors’ legal issues?

[@WadeInTheWater23]

Strange has been taking a backseat for far too long now . They took the time stone , destroyed the book of vishanti, destroyed the dark hold . Its time for Strange to get his moment in the spotlight

[@trystinlindsay5674]

I am in the small minority that has enjoyed most of the recent phases but it will be nice when we get back to having a clear destination like in the infinity saga

[@MrGeoff-iv6re]

I’m with you.

[@hootie420ify]

Same here I’ve enjoyed what we got

[@getnkosi]

Same

[@mmded781]

Same here

[@NycisTrash]

Same just want a movie which starts connecting the avengers

[@zeemyrdin]

like they said in Dr Strange 2, the most dangerous person is Dr Strange

[@aymerictshikangu4000]

Funny how it’s been practically foreshadowed

[@Mr_Death031]

As Reed mentioned, the greatest threat to the multiverse is Stephen. But the actions of The Council Of Kangs to destroy the Avengers could set off the Final Incursion, the one that’ll set earth 616 on a collision with earth 838 possibly. If dr strange 3 is adapting elements of the Time Runs Out story arc, it’ll definitely be an epic one. That story from Jonathan Hickman really set the tone for Secret Wars

[@TheMagicalScientist]

It definitely did set the tone…but that doesn’t mean the MCU will adapt it equally epically

[@abivalentin8331]

I personally think it's a little late to introduce Doctor Doom and then immediately make him the "big bad" of the Multiverse Saga, I'd love to see that but I also think it would be a bit strange honestly. I also think it would be cool if Secret Wars was an actual war between Doctor Doom and Kang with all the heroes caught in the middle of it all but I don't think that'll happen either.

[@toonasag]

That would've been good!

[@deemura]

Yeah it's too late

[@ElChris816]

I'm a fan of Doctor Strange in both comics and movies. I love the idea of Strange being the constant in in this phase, but I feel that they're dragging this out too far. How can no one know of the timelines being in this chaotic state with the death of He Who Remains?

[@z-dblu5772]

It was pretty clear to me after Dr strange got the third eye that there was no turning back. He will be a villain soon.

[@Hundun77]

I don’t see them moving away from Kang only if his legal issues don’t clear up

[@thepubknight6144]

He's gonna be cleared from what it looks like

[@burneyboys02]

I don't know how they'll adapt Dr. Doom before or when Fantastic Four arrives but I do hope they keep fleshing out Kang for the Kang Dynasty.

[@thesnanz3164]

majors is such a great actor and kang as the main villain could be great as well so i hope there will be no recasting

[@Scooter323]

If they move away from Kang….I’ll be devastated. I get everyone loves doom but come on.

[@pre4edgc]

I don't see a problem here. Why not make Dr. Doom another Kang variant? It'd maintain the current status Kang, and fit fairly well into the story. It'd also allow for a neat reveal when Doom removes his mask and it shows Kang underneath. Doom's knowledge would fit well with Kang's, and with the possibility of a 60s era F4, we may see him as a time traveler too. Another Kang specialty.

[@AChi__]

That damn third eye of Strange popping out of thin air @5:31 is just some epic cgi work 😂😂

[@bellcurve0]

Seriously. I also like how clea just “cuts” a portal by like tearing a green screen or whatever. So budget and prob a lastlast min reshoot.

[@AChi__]

@@bellcurve0 😂

[@RandomVideosEverytime]

I realized today that Thanos coming to the earth is an inevitable event in all universes and he had been saying that all throughout

[@LordOmniTha1st]

That's a dope way to put it.

[@cedricjohnsonjr]

Kang and Janet’s chemistry in quantumania was amazing.

[@jasonkable1462]

I really want Jonathan Majors to finish out this Kang Phase and get The Kang Dynasty. Just my opinion but he's being screwed over.

[@Adam33067]

How is Majors being screwed over?

[@thepubknight6144]

Hes coming back he's been proven to be innocent, Marvel isn't like Warner Bros

[@lordvika2526]

was he cleared of the charges against him? if not then no he isn't being screwed over.

[@anthonybonura8021]

@@lordvika2526He hasn’t been proven guilty. Why punish someone until the truth comes out? This whole guilty until proven innocent is a dangerous game

[@lordvika2526]

@@anthonybonura8021 thing is why should a billion dollar company risk the bad reputation they can get for keeping someone like that employeed

[@AgentsingleO]

Wish I had someone like iman to talk to and nerd out about marvel theories. Must be awesome to have so many mcu secrets

[@shaquilleurie2281]

They won’t move on from Kang, but the more we speculate that they are, and start to “move” away from Kang, it’s going to be that much more bad ass when he comes in and wipes the avengers. 🤯 it’s going to be a fun next few years in marvel I believe.

[@aaronkrafft1839]

Would make Zero sense at this point moving away from him. With or without majors kang will stay

[@user-iy8nh3xj4j]

I think that they should keep Kang as the big bad of the Multiverse Saga. And yes, I do think Dr. D Doom could be the biggest bad in an upcoming saga, (Doom Saga) but Kang is the absolute perfect villain for the multiverse saga.

[@delmarfrazier2727]

Save Doom for secret wars and make him absorb The Beyonder’s powers and become ultimate Doom!

[@heisenberg8077]

​@@delmarfrazier2727they are going to save doom as the villan for the next saga and make Kang the main villan of both Kang Dynasty and secret wars

[@RomeoDimba-zi7ic]

Exactly

[@dawildmoose3062]

You know what would be cool? If we all went into king dynasty at the cinema and when the title card came up it glitches out and changed the name to something doctor doom related. Like a timeline or reality break that just gets dropped on us at the cinema

[@zaky4127]

Doctor Strange been my favorite avenger since the first movie. He’s gonna have such a big impact in kang dynasty and secret wars

[@5lim.0]

Wouldn’t it all be Sylvie/Loki’s fault?

[@MaxedOutReels]

have you read the comics?

[@Mr.Mackeyy]

@@MaxedOutReelsno

[@sinteleon]

Technically the whole "get tony to discover time travel to stop thanos" is originally Strange's plan, so yes, Strange is the cause of everything. (even if Kang paved the way, Strange is the road which the way is built on)

[@thepubknight6144]

​​@@sinteleon It's a domino affect but him messing with Time and time looping to "defeat" Dormammu in the first was the first domino that fell

[@grahamd7664]

I’m most excited for the point in the multi-verse saga where the avengers have to make the decision about destroying another universe to prevent an incursion. I think that is going to be a really compelling story line, and I can totally see that causing riffs in the team.

[@tannendellinger]

Everyone is is helping out with incursions. Deadpool, miles morales, Doctor Strange, Peter Parker, Carol Danvers, everyone is playing there part.

[@jendaar]

All good points. I think in many ways the jury is still out until Loki season 2 is done

[@helianthusphoton1178]

it'd be great to have a refresh on the whole incursion thing. from my current understanding there were several things that had to happen in order for timelines to start crossing over throughout time. as in, although the cause is in the present, it affected the whole of time which is why things have been going awry even in the past. i'd just like to see a newer video explaining the causes and all the wibbly wobbly timey wimey.. stuff.

[@virtualrealityfitness283]

Hyperion and The Squadron Supreme needs to be part of the multiverse!

[@Dinoco-42]

Keep Krazinski as Mr. Fantastic

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

The Key To ANYTHING Marvel is for them to hire some decent writers

[@Davefromdabend5]

Fax

[@ImmortalAbsol]

Strange is likely to do it by accident, Kang is likely to to do it on purpose. But Kang will bide his time or wait to do it until he wants to spite another Kang, thus it's biased to Strange.

[@thepubknight6144]

In the first Dr Strange movie, Mordo warns Steven about messing with time and time loops as did Wong Steven messed with time loops to bargain with Dormammu, and dark magic , Mordo told him that he's gonna have to deal with that down the road And they've continued that in What if, No way home ,MOM and will in the third film Stephen's whole story is "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" arc Stephen has to go to the abyss in his hero's journey arc still

[@PunchSuccaa]

I really hope they keep majors as kang in avengers 5

[@JoMFTado]

My worry with doctor doom is having less set up for him than we’ve had for kang

[@nuvjoti]

I wonder if the Kang Dynasty will play the role of the Beyonders and is defeated by Doom and the Avengers in Avengers 4, setting up God Emperor Doom for Secret Wars.

[@VitaPlenaReactionVideos]

I thought the dark dimension was the space between universes. If so then it makes sense that Strange could walk through it and cause incursions

[@stevetayler9518]

I know this would throw established lore out of the window completely but:- What if…they changed it so that Doctor Doom actually IS Doctor Strange, as in, Doom is a multiversal variant of Strange. Possibly played by Cumberbatch himself in a dual role or more likely by another actor.

[@johnsterizer]

No.

[@stevetayler9518]

@@johnsterizer lol. Fair enough 🤣

[@Mr.Marvelous.Media.]

Thor and Shang-Chi: “am I a joke to you?” 8:42

[@RayMon504]

Sorry EV but you're probably gonna have to wait awhile for Dr. Doom. With Loki season 2 still showing Kang that tells me Kang is no where near out of the picture yet

[@delmarfrazier2727]

Exactly

[@jerrylharbin]

I feel like Doom is going to be a Kang variant

[@Pilot646]

Sike kangs out and can be erased put off easily

[@aretnap3653]

DoctorStrange3 *COULD* Be TheMARVEL Film, That "Fixes" EveryThing...or Continues Loki's "Multiverse of Madness".🤔

[@xhsgoessicko7524]

I agree

[@lovetodrawstufff3644]

Love the vids

[@m1ss1ngnumb3r]

I guess my biggest question for the MCU is that if glitching only happens to those who travel using science without a proper stabilizer, do incursions only occur to those who mess with the multiverse with magic?

[@RyanHaney55]

I like Jay Washington's idea that these non-connected MCU stories are in different time lines and will eventually meet up later.

[@mikeedwards9984]

That's what I was saying to a friend phase 4 is picking up the pieces from endgame but in different timelines.its rumored shang chi was set in 2026 why u see a older looking Bruce and cap marvel.

[@_XVIII_]

Can't wait for the Blue Beetle video when you guys get to it! Just got out of the theater and some of the attack references are KILLING ME because I can't remember them all. All I got was Cloud Strife's Blade Beam attack. 😅

[@waleedsharif618]

Shouldnt Dr Strange know about Kang or someone interfering with things ? He is supposed to be “protector of reality”

[@ohialehua2918]

Any movie with Dr Strange in it sounds good to me!

[@brianhall1977]

God I hope Marvel does not make Dr. Doom a variant of Doctor Strange .,,,, Also if their any marvel villain that should get an MCU origin movie. It has to be DOOM!

[@christopherchurch4028]

Definitely keep dr strange and Loki as the leaders of the multiverse saga

[@samanthamaclean1430]

I would want that

[@TIGER-xk4gk]

I don't understand why you think the MCU needs to reboot or that Kang should be replaced. I loved the overarching narrative of the Multiverse saga so far and Kang Dynasty will still happen

[@mattyboyb523]

If this is the case I wonder if this could be the true reason Adam Driver hasn’t signed as Reed Richards ?? Could they all be thinking he’s be a better Doom ??

[@eianblosch3341]

Nah I think Cillian Murphy would make a bad ass Dr. Doom. Can you imagine seeing the Doctor Doom suit and then he takes off his mask and it's Cillian Murphy and his eyes are green and his face is heavily scarred and he says to Mr. Fantastic "look what you did to me......LOOK WHAT YOU DID TO ME!!!!!"

[@Capybara_Productions]

@@eianblosch3341holy shit, this is the best idea I’ve seen from anyone.

[@ayarashid4883]

i cant wait for the upcoming movies so we can see wut will happen

[@stephanie154]

Past loki s1, i firmly believed that loki and sylvie would be at the epicenter of this multiverse conflict (they literally are!) But yeah battle world opens up so many other possibilities.

[@SuperCeleste007]

I know there’s that D 23 thing next month that isn’t really like the same D23 that as usual, but I think to make it bigger I feel like there should be for sure some announcement about marvels future slate and announcing some of these projects that have been reported upon that Marvel themselves have not announced

[@TheArk519]

Maybe Kang could somehow work with Doctor Doom. Kang Dynasty could end with Kang losing, but sending out Doctor Doom or another villain like Galactus to just hit the reset button.

[@wizardmari3497]

Nice video

[@jamesmorrow2112]

I always thought since spiderman no way home that dr strange very well could make decisions to kill other realities to save this one. The same way he wasn't hesitant in trying to send back the spiderman villains even if it was to their death

[@lakshithr]

AMAZING 😍

[@robbiep4456]

You know who?!? "Victor von $$$$ing DOOM! That's who!" Is the best line in this whole thing. Solid landing.

[@mutungiedmund2355]

Am looking for it

[@TylerSkylionChilders]

Kang is the reason the current incursions are happening. Yes, the current ones....

[@astronut1728]

Let F4 have Galactus, let Dr Doom be Dr Stranges enemy beginning in his trilogy

[@JitendraSingh-qd7jk]

dr doom's arch nemesis is scarlet witch and not strange.

[@astronut1728]

@@JitendraSingh-qd7jk oh like Antmans arch nemesis is Kang

[@JitendraSingh-qd7jk]

@@astronut1728 Its fantastic 4 and they're gonna pitch him against them.

[@jamelinkoom1926]

The story of Kang is much more better than Dr doom

[@VictorVonDOOOOM]

Lmao I like Kang but get real. DOOM is THE marvel villain and his back story is one of the very best in all of comics. Attempting to do Secret Wars with Kang instead of DOOM is like doing Infinity Wars with Red Skull instead of Thanos lol. (Unless of course DOOM rolls up after Kang Dynasty and takes Kang out per usual)

[@heisenberg8077]

​@@VictorVonDOOOOMthey are going to make Kang the main villan of secret wars and they can make secret wars without doom they absolutely your analogy of infinity war with thanos is also does not make sense as there are two secret wars with beyonder as the main villan and second as doom as the main villan first both different from each other si they can make their own secret wars with Kang as the main villan

[@liamfrr]

nah doom > kang

[@BookofCommonTerror]

@@heisenberg8077Well, Doom is the villain of both and kills and steals the power of the Beyonder/Beyonders in both

[@heisenberg8077]

@@BookofCommonTerror first of all doom does not kill the beyonder in the first one he only steals his power in the jim shooter secret wars which beyonder gets back in the end and in thr first one beyonder is the main villan yes doom steals beyonders power and fights the heroes towards the end but beyonder was the overarching main antagonist and yes in Jonathan hickmans secret wars doom was the main villan but hickmans story was sort of like a doom vs Reed story culmination of their tumultuous relationship that why the movie was so great which they cannot do in Avengers secret wars and they are only introducing the fantastic four in 2025 so it is to early for that so it is better to give Kang the spotlight in kang Dynasty and secret wars and reserve doom for the next saga and that way you can fully develop both Kang and doom and they both get their equal time to shine and can also develop reed and doom rivalry as feige has fantastic four is very important going forward so

[@detree.]

Doctor Doom is a bigger threat than kang it would make sense for him to be the Secret villain in secret Wars

[@heisenberg8077]

Kang is going to be the main villan of secret wars

[@samanthamaclean1430]

I’m a little open to that that is the direction marvel wants to go to, but I really don’t want Doctor Strange to go evil he’s my favorite hero and then the hint at his movie that not every version Strange then had to end up in a downwards path

[@felipef1nn40]

let's keep in mind that the besides the magic portals, we seen a robot(Aida) creating a portal with the help of the darkholdk(agents of shield), and then Ghost rider also opened a similar portal... now in spiderman across the spider verse, I guess we've seen similar tech... 🤔

[@SaBastian_DeKrabbe]

Idk why, I kept thinking the studios would do some weird thing where they ended up making Mordo turn into Dr. Doom. Probably not even close to feesible, but I've seen the studio do stranger things...lol

[@OldHenryLee]

I have no real idea, but it at least seems like the less sudden changes to things the better off they'll be.

[@GhostlyPhantom]

We need another interview with Iman so badly

[@Will_kid_cortez]

Doctor strange and guardians of the galaxy are the only characters i really care about. Hope that sinister strange comes back lol

[@shantanukulkarni7487]

I think it is very simple, the Avengers need to fight Loki and ultron threats before the big bad Thanos comes... And yes Dr Strange has been disrespected enough in prev movies like NWH, and deserves much more than that so yeah he can lead the Avengers and be an anchor point....

[@Sunset13118]

Meanwhile Mr Awesome is chilling watching all this events

[@59rlmccormack]

The saga is getting bigger and crazier.

[@IDKproductions69420]

I’m just hoping we get to see Dormamu in dr strange 3

[@eliechaya9690]

Love from Belgium 🇧🇪 ❤

[@eltonarthur1233]

Love from the Netherlands 🇳🇱 💕 ♥

[@lorenzonapolitano7223]

I think if Doctor Strange 3 comes out before Secret Wars, he’s definitely dying

[@lovetodrawstufff3644]

I commented on the deep dive...I would love to see you break down the first the amazing Spiderman film on the deep dive channel I think you would do it amazing 🤞

[@christopherchurch4028]

I could rewatch multiverse of madness over and over again and not get sick of it. It’s not my favorite mcu film but it’s a fun time.

[@tammycramer3451]

I kind of feel like "what if" set the idea for strange being the center up.

[@BaudixLp]

I think that they should stick to Kang. Especially when we consider the only connected set ups in the recent phases…

[@andreigurandaofficial]

Also, in What If... Dr Strange the most dangerous being in the end... and if What If is part of the multiverse, than it could make sense that Dr Strange is the central being to this incursion issue

[@matthewschulerofficial4038]

Eric’s got the best theories no questions asked 🙅🏾‍♂️

[@wavydonjuan]

I hope they keep Kang , did all that in phase 4 just to change the villain ehh idk bout that

[@bill930505]

How many Flerkens/pocket dimensions are we talking about for a possible incursion?

[@jim6170]

i think we are gonna watch some heros slip into the ideologies that agree with kang... Making a civil war like scenario..

[@khreon27]

at first I really dislike the thought of mixing insane otherworldly magic into the equation, hence, the winter soldier being my favorite marvel movie so far. but the sheer scale of this incursion storyline is just insanely captivating. I used to think that they couldn't top endgame but I really hope they can pull this one out because if they can, we will watch the best superhero movie we will ever have watched

[@SirsasthNigam.]

The Marvels director finds incursion concept stressful

[@aaronkrafft1839]

Moving away from Kang would be a big mistake

[@PupOrionSirius26]

Dr Doom and Kang have paired off as well, so lots of options.

[@mollyseay]

And how do the celestials, eternals, Thanos’ brother etc fit into all this?

[@albertorivera9305]

I am really cautiously optimistic on the trajectory of the MCU. I am truly hoping after “The Marvels” we get some friggen answers!

[@peterskorec8246]

How About the Rhode (ha ha, Rhode, cause… Rhodey, do you get it? I’ll see myself out 😂) to the pleasant moment when Rhodey is gonna say “Booom looking for this?!”? 😂

[@podcastbard]

Through the Darkhold could you possess yourself? The third eye Dr Strange and 616 Dr Strange are one.

[@docdaytona108]

If Sue Storm is supposed to be the focal character of (at least) the first FF movie, what are the odds that Doom in the MCU is VICTORIA Von Doom? I’d say higher than you probably want to think.

[@TheKnightArgent]

I mean... Doom Dynasty has a ring to it. :)

I have a feeling that Dr Doom of the Fox Universe will somehow escape during the events of Deadpool 3 and plan his own agenda.

[@nothappyboi9453]

This Dr. Reed can carry the Mcu he’s a slept on actor

[@VICtolic817]

Doom has one of the best story lines in marvel villain history. If don’t right he could be the best villain yet.

[@bizzybrown8372]

They don’t know about Kang so maybe they don’t really understand incursions like they think. Kang visualizes the multiverse via 5D and they have yet to transcend 3D .

[@MiloMurphysLaw]

So it’s gonna be “Doom Dynasty” now?

[@blahblah-ez6cr]

Guess Dr Strange is now Tony Stark of Multiverse Saga and Loki is now Dr Strange of the Saga.

[@Denimsmith2023]

So… when in Infinity War Strange used the Time Stone to ‘look’ into the future at all the ~14.000605M ‘timelines’ he must have been dream walking, no? The Time Stone doesn’t let you jump timelines?

[@YFMPodcast]

Everything in this video make sense he cracked the next 5 years of the MCU

[@freddyfaerie3499]

Pretty sure "we" just meant them