NGC Open Box - Rainbow Toning - Straight Grade, or Artificial Toning / Questionable Color?

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[@christiangreene1734]

I think an educational video on the process of and how to tell nature toning from artificial toning (e.g. color pregression, pull away, etc) and how some Morgans end up "Monster Toned" while others end up black would be a great video for the channel! Love the channel!

[@firstcavcoins3554]

I absolutely love this channel. The best , most interesting and important topics for this hobby.A+++. Thanks Ben!

[@Ontario100]

Interesting group of coins. Glad you got straight grades. If I had seen the last two raw, I would have thought artificial toning too. Thanks 👍 ⭐

[@jameskerry3826]

Thank you for the Morgan videos. Fascinating. Beautiful.

[@beverwyck1]

Great video Ben! As a semi novice to collecting I have noticed something between real toning and artificial toning. It's not always so much about the color but rather the patterns. Most of the real toning i see starts at the edges and works towards the center and is usually darker at the edges with more colors towards the center. Sometimes they also have a mottled look to them often with bare spots from handling or possibly something else that was on the coin to prevent toning in those spots. Most of the artificial toning i have seen have haphazard patterns, the colors are often a bit more vibrant and usually don't have a mottle look or tiny bare spots from handling. They also usually don;t have those real dark blues that almost look black until you tip the coin around. In my opinion everything you have showed in this video is legit toning.

[@TheCoinGeek]

Thanks for that insight.

[@gtrlover7]

I wasn’t surprised. Those toners actually look natural to me 100%. A lot of times you can tell by the colors and the progressions.

[@667hodge]

When the design competition for the Peace dollar began,Herman MacNeil, Victor Brenner,and Adolph Weinman were part of that competition. de Francisco was the youngest at only 34 when his design was picked.Happy Thanksgiving.I really enjoy your vids

[@TheCoinGeek]

Great insight. Thanks.

[@TheQuickSilver101]

I agree with you, a subtle toning is very nice (especially a subtle blue or sea green). I know a lot of folks like the rainbow look, but I'm not really one of them. That said I own an old soapbox ANACS 1878 CC with rainbow toning, though it's not nearly as pronounced as many that I have seen for sale in recent years. I'm actually kinda shocked that you didn't get questionable color on the 1889. It's nice to have a little good luck for once. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, Ben!

[@flower2289]

It is frustrating. As Ben said, he thought it was artificial. I received two 1880s Morgans back from NGC last year that are in the MS66 range and they were graded AT. I completely disagree.

[@jeemalsoknownasjimhawkins1294]

Ben: As usual, a great video. I would have said the 1889 was Artificial toning and I think if you had sent it to PCGS it would have come back that way. I bought one at auction that was clearly marked, UNC Details--Artificial Toning, because it looked so spectacular, and it had very similar colors to the 1889--just more pronounced. Thanks, professor, for the continuing education. I really like your videos! Cheers.

[@IKnewMickey]

I have some toned walkers. The reverse of these walkers are mind blowing.

[@TiHerr74]

Happy Thanksgiving, Ben. I’m very thankful for your channel. Appreciate the crack outs, crossovers, open box and educational videos. My bid is in on that stunning 1888 Morgan.

[@donaldinnewmexico]

Hi, Ben. *Happy* *Thanksgiving* to you and yours. I am very thankful for your straight talk videos. I have learned a lot from you. I have gotten an eye-opening look at the grading companies from your videos. I also like your history content. And I enjoy your humor. Thanks for everything you do on this channel. In the spirit of the day: I love cranberry toning. May you never get a turkey from the grading companies. *TYU*

[@kevinhoock9742]

Hi Ben , I read the planchet's that were used for the Peace Dollars were treated to keep them from discoloring . I see the 1889 as natural toning for sure . Very rare to have it on both sides . If this was an MS 64-65 - $800 would not have been a problem . I have been collecting toners for over 25 years and EOR's are my favorite but your right prices are crazy and there is NO price guide . Happy Thanksgiving and keep up the great work...

[@don951]

Nice! All straight grades. Winning!!! :)

[@fifteenbyfive]

Wow that 1888 Philly could have pulled a Star grade. That's the most awesome toning on a Morgan I've ever seen in a holder. I was a bit surprised it got a grade but 62 seems a bit low. I froze frames and studied it carefully and even with the hits on the cheek it looks 63 to me.

[@TheCoinGeek]

Yes, but the money on that coin is all about the color. The color of money?

[@fifteenbyfive]

@@TheCoinGeek So true, maybe you could keep it in the shop, some candy for a display, don't put it up for sale but just entertain the occasional offer on it? It's like a "what would you give me for it?" coin. a WWYGMFI? That might not be a good idea, I'm just thinking out loud. I'm not sure what the customers would think of that but still, my gut tells me that coin will one day fetch a huge price. Like if it sold for $1,250 I'd say -- yeah but just look at it! It's so subjective a coin I think the true value is arbitrary -- and easily underestimated.

[@typeviic1]

that first Peace dollar with the "black mold" toning. I have a 1934-S, Au58 in a pcgs holder with the same look

[@Mister_T_from_Erie_P]

I'm warming up to toned coins. Those are really nice.

[@donaldinnewmexico]

Pastel toning on Buffalos is the best.

[@arianduran1725]

I have natural dark tone eagles first generation proof 🦅. I accidentally left them for 2 years on my rack , all was supposed air seal , i guess not . They are beautiful ❤️.

[@alfredparsons6811]

We spend more time looking at the ‘88 then the NGC graders spent looking at the whole group. Some beautiful coins.

[@TheSteveBoyd]

I just bought a couple of raw 188x-O Morgans with heavy blue-ish toning on eBay this week, (where's the fun in buying them pre-slabbed?) and I'm anxiously awaiting their delivery. I'm not a fan of these dark coins, but apparently they're quite popular so hopefully they'll grade and sell!!

[@martin-fc4kk]

I love toned coins, if NGC says these are natural tones, well, great result! Maybe the old lady kept those coins in a kitchen . What is interesting is that the coins are toned on both sides.

[@coreynagle804]

I am 90% sure I read that in the 3rd edition of the Red book official guide to peace dollars!!

[@forbesrec]

Found you through VM. Awesome content!

[@hughjass1835]

Check that 1887 again, there are 4 VAMs on those, alligator eye, double date, partial E reverse(big money) and doubled stars, that's in addition to the 1887/6.

[@TheCoinGeek]

Thanks for pointing those out.

[@jrduke45]

Good video Ben! I called everyone natural toning but I know how NGC and PCGS can be...

[@tom_morgandealer_pgh1648]

the 1889 graded au58 was a slap in the face very little scratches got some cartwheels going still, oh well still sold at great price

[@tom_morgandealer_pgh1648]

looks way darker in the ebay listing but still great price

[@philipjaffe8788]

I sent a toned Morgan (similar to the last coin in this video) that was a 66 in an ANACS soapbox to NGC, they called it AT. Cracked it and sent it to PCGS, they called it a 66. Just shows you how silly TPG is.

[@joshpointoh]

I think they are mostly consistent with grades, 66 is a 66 usually, but with color or cleaning, is like they don't want to get "tricked" so they use a lot of circumstantial evidence to assume.

[@alwaysseekingsilver]

Happy Thanksgiving, Ben. As you know, I prefer the blast white coins. If I had guessed before your grade reveals, I would have guessed those last couple dark/rainbow colored coins would have come back QC or AT.

[@TheSteveBoyd]

I have 3 Morgans I bought on eBay that are practically identical to those 3 in appearance. I'm almost afraid to send them to PCGS. Since I'm not a member of NGC (and I'm running outta money!), I'm tempted to submit to ANACS first and then cross them over. Kinda sneak in the back door, so to speak. What do you think?

[@federicosanchez9516]

Coins that have color have character . I think some were soaked in grease though i like the dirty look anyway😱

[@coinmvp6735]

Happy Thanksgiving

[@tucsonbubba1574]

Happy Thanksgiving Ben.

[@johnwachter6369]

I don't understand how a coin with big fat fingerprints ( 87 ) can get a 64....

[@coreynagle804]

I read peace dollars dont tone the same due to the acid bath that was used on the planchet

[@flower2289]

Hey Ben. Sure enjoy your videos. So where do I need to go to acquire a doctorate in coin grading? And I am specifically talking about knowing exactly what it is the graders at PCGS and NGC are looking for. It seems to me that would be far more profitable than any PHD in other fields such as medicine, engineering, physics, etc. Thanks.

[@TheSteveBoyd]

Metallurgy?

[@flower2289]

@@TheSteveBoyd That would certainly be a great start Steve.

[@tylonnplatinumthe3rd659]

Man those toners are 50/50 whether they are natural or not. Perhaps they have switched from leaning artificial to giving the benefit of the doubt

[@jasonhastings5538]

Those are nice!! I cant see paying more for a toned coin!! If its graded at 62 you pay 62 money for it + or - afew dollars!!

[@bryansim4143]

Just asking, what was the 1887 variety that was mentioned, can you give more details?

[@typeviic1]

Never had schmutz on any of mine, but I had schmaltz on a coin one time...........

[@michaelm7843]

That Peace dollar at the beginning was really ugly. "Overall very pleasing coin." - No, Sir. I like how you jammed NGC by making them put the high grade reverse of the 1884-O front facing under that MS3 label. Nicely played. So, what's deal on the "artificial toning" ? We you revise your thinking on the topic?

[@daniell.granddaddyslivehab6124]

🔥 high. Sun. Warm hot..

[@KimberlyStires-p8j]

Nice😍

[@tridentstacking]

The last coin looks natural to me. The colors are broken up and it is not a straight line of transition

[@gilbertojesusferrazferraz315]

Hello Ben.💯💯💯

[@TheCoinGeek]

hey!

[@Car1Sagan]

Does looks "questionable" toning

[@sidneyosborne947]

I thought toned coins are trendy on pcgs....

[@tonybytnar2560]

This whole video is questionable color!!! Happy Thanksgiving Ben!

[@frankchase9297]

I dislike smuts on a coin.

[@platinumskies7968]

First

[@KimberlyStires-p8j]

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