Nick Bostrom: Superintelligence, Posthumanity, and AI Utopia | Robinson's Podcast

[@multiversehacking]

No questions about what happened at Future of Humanity Institute?

[@dmonroerobison]

The real question is what happened to Vitalik's $600m shiba donation.

[@jimbojimbo6873]

Does it matter?

[@multiversehacking]

@@jimbojimbo6873 Ha Ha, OK, "nothing to see here," right?

[@mattd2641]

What happened?

[@radSIZ]

@@dmonroerobison Wrong Institute

[@neoepicurean3772]

Why do you have so few subs Robinson? Is it something to do with your tagging or your 'backend'. Seems you should be on 300k subs given your output, guests and quality.

[@Luis_Ger]

As always, great interview! I recommend Adam Greenfield's book, Radical Technologies, which explores the significant human and cultural trade-offs involved in the use of current technologies. Perhaps you could even consider arranging an interview with him. Adam's approach highlights that implementation of technology cannot be separated from politics (relations of power), and that reaching a posthuman state cannot occur without destabilizing human values in profound ways.

[@Steve-mo4qp]

I cannot see that any of the characteristics, traits limitations or experiences that make us individuals would survive or have a place in the ultimate utopias that you describe. I cannot see that there would be reasons for the relationships we currently form to sustain us. This all causes me to rethink what utopia might mean in a human centric context

[@kencreten7308]

How do we change humanity so we don't have an overabundance of wanting to kill each other if someone else has the "wrong ideas?"

[@oliverjamito9902]

My Host shared "i" Am Nick. Thank you for attending unto our own! And came to visit to have sincere conversations with thy Host Robinson. Nick at least I can do is to washed thy Feet to be given new Feet. Remember ye once born, to crawling, to walking, and till now. Thy shared feet resting upon the very tip of time. Mileage from thy feet is recognize! Love you beloved Nick without shame but with boldness!

[@maxmetpt]

A lot of Greg Egan's work touches on personal meaning in a post scarcity and plastic world. Also often dealing with mathematical research in a personal way. Permutation City is one example.

[@bernardofitzpatrick5403]

Great explication of the various categories of utopia. Post instrumental world as regards discovering the “hidden nature” of math and the future trajectory of math was fascinating. Math as a choice of being “blissed out”, in a post instrumental world. Sociology of why we do math, the business of understanding rather than just proof. Downloading and bypassing basics to reach higher levels of abstraction with minimum effort. Wow! Technological mature society and imagination….yes, the optimum synthesis via super intelligence. Love the positive vibe, as a foil to the negative opinions doing the rounds about where we are headed. My man Robinson delivering the goods and keeping us positive. Hey pins 🐈 and Mishka! Nice tats Robinson. Geesling Bernardo.

[@ili626]

I can’t wait to read his book - sounds amazing

[@desigrrl08]

he's also a racist - "Fifteen months ago Bostrom was forced to issue an apology for comments he’d made in a group email back in 1996, when he was a 23-year-old postgraduate student at the London School of Economics. In the retrieved message Bostrom used the N-word and argued that white people were more intelligent than black people."

[@ItsameAlex]

Did you start reading it?

[@EricDMMiller]

Always a danger when most of his utopias sound like hell.

[@poke1756]

so deep

[@adidasadriano]

Excellent on how to draw logically sound and intuitive conclusions from wrong premises😄😄

[@paketisa4330]

Considering a project where a person documents daily experiences, thoughts, feelings and personal history in a diary specifically for a future AGI’s learning. Do you think such a personalised dataset could enhance an AGI’s ability to understand and interact with individuals on a deeper level? And lastly, is it feasible to expect an AGI to become a close, personal companion based on this method, or would it somehow be redundant useless data? Thank you for the answer.

[@mynameisjefferson3771]

This show is what Lex Friedman markets himself as but isn’t. You’re the real deal, Mother Goose!

[@oliverjamito9902]

Asked 1st. Thy intent 2nd. Thy base 3rd. Thy foundation 4th. Where your treasures is ( little sons and daughters) there your hearts will be also. Resting upon 1st. Loving God of the Living 2nd. Loving thy neighbors as HE have loved thee 3rd. Do not forbid these little ones to come forth unto Me. Used these before moving forward in front!

[@Contang0]

As an extensive user of my 'watch later' playlist, it's weird i don't seem to be able to save these particular podcasts for some reason?

[@diegoangulo370]

Sounds good to me! I could use an upgrade!

[@MikkelGrumBovin]

Fine talk !

[@billusher2265]

Interview Joseph Tainter and Yanis Varoufakis

[@DFMoray]

In the metamorphosis of prime intellect, everyone goes into a nonstop orgasm that they can never get out of like a pleasure button or something if I remember correctly.

[@ALavin-en1kr]

The macrocosm rules. The lifespan for this era is 120 years.

[@antdgar]

The final cat comment made me lol

[@aemerick924]

Amazing to listen to. Is it possible though however, that human motivation is not exclusively from the desire to want more than the other person/country/planet,etc.?

[@jamesbeamish-b6t]

That was really cool. Thanks for this work you do. To say a comment... Hmmm. Freud, Heidegger, Derrida, Blanchot, or Life/Death are the Same. More we talk about infinite Life... it is Death. More we talk about Death, we are in Life... Together. In Life we are separate. Soap Box is calling. Nice work man. James

[@SingularMK]

A nice one

[@billusher2265]

Please interview Paul Kennedy and David Hackett Fischer

[@jamysmith7891]

We have a way of anthropomorphizing the prospect of super intelligence in algorithms; It occurs to me that the most efficient MO for a super intelligent robot is to simply shut down, if it’s truly intelligent at all it isn’t bound to human impulse, I’d expect it to be more wise and morally courageous Progress in sentiment life is driven by emotional need, doing the right thing is a sort of super sentience We take to hobbies as a pleasure to our emotions, we create in this way to improve our general capacity, not because we are the best at it or we would call it a profession Life is problem solving, the only utopia is in an individual understanding this; The robo-industrial civilization is always breaking down, it needs constant creative maintenance and improvement, there is no endgame

[@jamysmith7891]

People pursue empty drug bliss as a last resort when they are barred from pursuing their curiosity; Downloading skill and understanding is fantastical, muscle memory and intellectual brawn emerge from complex activity; We can trigger neurons in a sophisticated way but human thought doesn’t translate into binary, they’re fundamentally different systems like letters and numbers, they’re not interchangeable

[@jamysmith7891]

I should rather say math and language

[@mmc577]

29:46 We have that already, it's named MDMA

[@antoniorich8054]

A real life Dr.Doom

[@FirstRisingSouI]

He calls himself a philosopher? These are baby thoughts. Sci-fi authors are way ahead of him.

[@ItsameAlex]

Damn this channel draws in all the sarcastic comments

[@desigrrl08]

"Fifteen months ago Bostrom was forced to issue an apology for comments he’d made in a group email back in 1996, when he was a 23-year-old postgraduate student at the London School of Economics. In the retrieved message Bostrom used the N-word and argued that white people were more intelligent than black people." Why do you have racists on your show, Robinson? Is it because you agree with them on racism?

[@at0mly]

Yeah this interview is a real disappointment for me, and from somebody who was really gaining my respect.

[@iverbrnstad791]

So he said some racist shit 28 years ago? Even if he was convicted of murder there's a good chance he'd have been out by now. Do you have any more recent indications that he has kept up the racism?

[@albionicamerican8806]

I can just imagine what the authorities at Oxford said to justify shutting down Nick Bostrom's phony "institute": "Dr. Bostrom, we believe that the purpose of science is to serve mankind. You, however, seem to regard science as some kind of dodge or hustle. Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe. Your methods are sloppy, and your conclusions are highly questionable. You are a poor scientist, Dr. Bostrom."

[@raginald7mars408]

I have a severe Cat Allergy - impossible to watch 1 second!

[@briangarrett2427]

Mmm why do Bostrom's utopias sound like dystopias?

[@nosteinnogate7305]

Because they dont.

[@rightcheer5096]

Even if A.I. leads to “deep utopia”, it still sound like hell to me. There would be no payout for human effort. Ergo, it seems like a choice between annihilation and deep s-risk.

[@TheCommuted]

Well the neoliberal project manipulated gratitude through pauperization. Is it equivalent to be grateful you don't expire horribly each day to not being homeless or getting free coffee at work.

[@jodawgsup]

What a disgustingly simple "idea'. Saying it is close to be living in Thailand doing nothing, browsing "the internet" makes it seem tantalizingly close? Can someone tell me what this guy is saying?

[@rightcheer5096]

First you need to say what you are saying.

[@jodawgsup]

@@rightcheer5096 What?

[@rv706]

When I learned that Nick Bostrom believes in "Effective Altruism", my respect for him was greatly diminished.

[@carnap355]

you mean the long-term part of it?

[@aaronclarke1434]

Aside from SBF, name one legitimate criticism of EA. You should expect him to believe in the longtermist parts already given his futurist bent.

[@johnathos]

You're a bot or a troll. Disgusting.

[@addammadd]

@@aaronclarke1434…aside from a guy who ran a scam to the tune of the GDP of whole countries on the ethical basis EA agrees with… lol solid rhetoric.

[@addammadd]

It provides the facade of ethical responsibility which happens to function beautifully as a front for run-of-the-mill cynical capitalism and convinces credulous self-styled intellectuals that their own commodity fetishes might not just be not-bad but instead are good, actually. That’s one.

[@chill_yall6439]

Oh no everyone's gonna feel good and be happy? How on earth will I be able to still feel special and important?

[@ikotsus2448]

There will be a special electrical signal giving you that sensation. Satisfied?

[@chill_yall6439]

​@@ikotsus2448 I was being sarcastic

[@ikotsus2448]

@@chill_yall6439 I know. So was I.

[@ALavin-en1kr]

When people are not spiritual they can be very limited in their thinking. From a spiritual perspective we are the microcosm of the macrocosm so we, as humans, have no limits. We can use A.I. as a useful, helpful, tool. Still, we are the masters of the universe because we are the universe. The key is not conquering the universe but perfect alignment with it. Alignment is the key. That is not understood yet as the human ego is hard to get past. It is hard to understand that we have to die, to the ego, in order to live. Christ, no surprise, was right.

[@diegoangulo370]

48:25 wow cool 😎 sign me up

[@oliverjamito9902]

Students will say, there are some being offended to come as a little child "i". Students why come as a little child "i"? Lord who can hold thy Cup? Without being crushed nor consumed! Hosts Meeks will say, remember God ways are not thy ways! But slowly revealing already written within thee! Just needed to be reminded and comes with comfort!

[@soulsearch4077]

You two have depressed me! 😢

[@FRANCCO32]

I know this may be to much of a simple a suggestion. However if AI gets out of hand. Couldn’t we just unplug the machines and take out the batteries and start again?

[@ikotsus2448]

no

[@ikotsus2448]

An out of hand superintelligence will not throw a tantrum so we can unplug it. It may make itself useful, make us embed it in all aspects of society and strike when it has found a way which we will not be able to defend against. The premise is that it is smarter than us. It allready works at a must faster timescale.

[@FRANCCO32]

@@ikotsus2448 I never liked taking no for an answer but yours I really enjoyed 🤣🤣🤣

[@timtopsnav]

​@@ikotsus2448Assuming this superintelligence isn't a conscious being it's not going to "strike" anyone. It doesn't have any plans, it only does what it's programmed to do, in a more or less predictable way. If it indeed does something akin to "striking" the fault is with the person who created the superintelligence, not the superintelligence itself

[@ikotsus2448]

@@timtopsnav LLM's are not programmed, they learn from data (the learning process is programmed) and are not predictable. Consiousness has nothing to do with this.. You have some catching up to do. I hope you do not take offense.

[@oliverjamito9902]

YES or NO! Likewise outside of these is from the Evil one.

[@oliverjamito9902]

Is loving God, loving thy neighbors, and remember do not forbid these little ones to come forth unto Me! All laws hangs upon these. Outside of these is from the Evil one.

[@ALavin-en1kr]

Instruction and answers to math. first then programming as a zombie to the Dictator.

[@dl3472]

I wonder how big his skull is

[@polymathpark]

Bump

[@oraz.]

"Recursive self improvement" is sus imo.

[@xcoldbloom]

?

[@DannyDanny-rn7ck]

Ban social impact bonds crypto and ESG No game B no web 3 no dcent

[@diegoangulo370]

Hey nick would you become a cyborg?

[@oliverjamito9902]

Name nor names come here in front! Lord thy shared "i" Am all names exist in front! Without naught in front of thee!

[@johnmorgan8868]

Just get on with it

[@mynameisjefferson3771]

What? 😂

[@JohnE-c2k]

First!

[@oliverjamito9902]

Yes some will say, why HIS shared "i" Am students are not being consumed with HIM?

[@Aedonius]

We need to encourage people to become active participants in creating the future. Most utopia discussion occurs around a docile population being told what to work on. What if we make it the norm where people grow up and are expected to build something interesting for the world to use as a whole? Everyone is a buainess owner because the bar is now so low. Its wrong to extrapolate today's loser population forward. I think its best to assume we will have a new guiding philosophy such as e/acc

[@iverbrnstad791]

I tend to think the opposite: As AI becomes more capable the scope of viable human endeavor shrinks. There will be fewer and fewer businesses as AI takes over more and more tasks. Eventually there will be next to no tasks where it is efficient to insert a human into the equation, leading to way more consumers and way fewer producers. We've seen this trend already: Translation has become a far more niche industry, so too will graphic design. Even before AI the trend was for industry to centralize due to the monopolistic tendencies of capitalism and the economics of scale. What used to be thousands of differing Cafes have become thousands of Starbucks franchises, this has happened in almost every field. I think it is far more reasonable to expect a best case scenario of the future to mimic Wall-E, as it will become harder and harder to carve out a niche for oneself. I'd love it for people creating businesses to be the norm, but neither current politics, nor the trends in AI speak to its favor.

[@MaxHarden]

I like your channel, sorry about your aids

[@peterz53]

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