How Much Do Touring Musicians Get Paid? Nashville

[@kevinmcgowanmusic2487]

This is such a crucial conversation that so many people in our industry are uncomfortable having. Alot of these averages are what I am aware of as well, having lived in Nashville for ten years myself. Hopefully the next generation of musicians can figure out a way to empower one another to ask for fair wages and to learn about basic financial concepts. Maybe alot has to change with management companies and business management as well, since these teams often recommend to an artist what they should pay their band and crew. Thank you for making this video!

[@NickyV]

You are spot on man. Appreciate the thoughtful comment and thank you for watching!

[@EarthWalkerOne]

quit working for major labels. quit using outdated distribution. That's what selling your soul to the devil really is.

[@wallbangersplace9873]

Amen Kdawg

[@alexanderseier]

Well said Kevin! Great video! Thank you.

[@lex3729]

rain

[@stevenheath741]

Who takes $10,000 worth of equipment in a $2000 car on a 150 mile trip to earn $150? Musicians and Scuba instructors

[@NickyV]

Haha I've never heard the Scuba added to that...have to put that in the repertoire.

[@CaptainCraigKWMRZ]

I'm both and a fishing guide too. Crap money but lots of girls!

[@DaveB-over]

😂​@@CaptainCraigKWMRZ

[@getmeouttatennessee4473]

Fishing groupies 😂 Groupers? ​@@CaptainCraigKWMRZ

[@951Dwdrummer]

😆

[@caleblopez1118]

I am honestly shocked. I did 62 weddings and private events last year in 2023 and never made less than $450 a show. Most of them were in the $600 range or up. It may not be Nashville, but combined with a teaching gig, I can support my family and that's the most important to me. Grateful to do what I love and make a living at it.

[@justingendreau1338]

Totally shocked too that musicians of that caliber are playing massive shows for as little as $150! I'm making that in my little city of 80,000! That's awesome you're supporting your family as a musician ✌️

[@kenbash2951]

I don't believe you.

[@bmphil3400]

In SE TN it is saturated with incredible musicians. Especially Nashville. The competition is insane. And many people take advantage of that.

[@lorenazure7116]

​@kenbash2951 what's so hard to believe? Bc there are several factors as to why he makes decent money. Demographics are one, size of his band, popularity of his band and also he mentions weddings and special events. Weddings are cash cows for a lot musicians. Up here in the ND, wd make on average 1800 for a weekend gig plus rooms, weddings and street dances, average around 2200 to 2500, casino gigs bring in 2800 or better etc...even more at times. Down south and bigger cities, musicians are a dime a dozen and competion for landing gigs is tough, which makes it hard to get paid what your worth!

[@SaltyDraws]

Hey man loan me 50 bucks. I know you got it.

[@howdyimhunner]

Best advice I got was from our bus driver back in 2016. I was up front with him one morning sitting co captain chewing fat. Turns out he was Alan Jackson’s guitar player in the early 90s top of the world until he quit in 96. I said quit?? In 96?? Why? He said “I was doing what you’re doing now and found out how much our bus driver was making vs what I was on stage and started driving buses the next week. 😂😂

[@NickyV]

Hahaha best paid seat on the bus

[@scottschmittmusic]

Ha! Nice

[@mikeh66]

🤯🤯🤯🤯

[@calvinlyonsmusic541]

@howdyimhunner can't knock a man for using his head.see,alot of musicians want it so bad,there willing to sell out to the machine, live miserable, loose good healthy relationships thinking fame and fortune is just a little up ahead.when they end up with Nothing but loneliness and debt.true it's for some.i was there.been a musician most of my 64 years. And I am so thankful I stepped away.i am a addicted Personalty man.nothing was enough.i got clean 22years ago. Never been happier.

[@Hardonfishing]

Hell, I make $300 a night playing in my small town in Mississippi, and I'm a single act

[@akasgsvirgil9503]

I played in a Country act in the late 90's and early 2000s'. We did about 300 shows a year. I got paid $300 a show. It didn't matter if we were playing a 10,000 seat venue or to bartenders at the Rusty Nail. I got $300 a show. Travel was taken care of. Hotels were taken care of. I was on my own for meals. $90,000/yr. I was in my mid 20's. No wife. No kids. No real responsibilities. It was fun. After that, I played on cruise ships for three years. That was really fun. The money was no where near as good, but the partying was insane! Now, I teach and do session work. Still beats working for a living!

[@NickyV]

Love it man. I did the cruise ship thing straight out of music school. It’s a literal paradise for a single guy in their 20s. Appreciate you checking the video out!

[@theunknown4570]

I was exactly like you for about 2 years. Didn't last long but I like to think I accomplished one of my small dreams anyways

[@theunknown4570]

I remember getting paid for my very first gig ever. I held the money in my hand and could not believe I just got paid to do that

[@pal4597]

Nice! I got paid $20 for a gig when I was a pup and was wondering why I just got paid. Lol I actually said "what is this for?" My Dad laughed at my pay( kind heartedly) I responded, Dad no one is paying me to play hockey, and they are definitely not clapping for me. He got that concept, especially being Canadian. 😂

[@beaumowery5610]

Rusty Nail in ardmore? I played there a month ago!

[@drender19]

You’re a good presenter. Concise, thorough, and articulate. Thanks much!

[@NickyV]

Thank you so much for the kind words. Really appreciate it and so glad you enjoyed the video!

[@muprock]

I agree. He has an authentic, real conversational quality. I feel like I just had an interesting conversation at a house party in Nashville, ha

[@BanjoBen]

Back in the day when I dreamed of being on a bus, I would've done it for any pay, at first. I made $325-400/show with artists that had #1 hits, Grand Ole Opry member, etc. We were busy with 100+ shows a year, which may not sound like a lot, but that's a ton of travel when you add 1-2 days on either side of gigs. But there I was, having invested many thousands of hours into my craft, making ~$40k/year and hardly ever home. Was it worth it? There were thousands of people waiting in line behind me for my gig that thought it was. Later I ended up getting the Taylor gig, and that was a different ballgame. She paid salary from the very beginning, with healthy bonuses when we were asked to go above and beyond. But even then, the compensation was in no way comparable to other lines of work, as your video accurately describes. After a while, I tired of the "thrill" of the big stages. Don't get me wrong, I'm super thankful for the experiences I had. I know there are thousands of pickers better than me that deserve them more than me, but the gig still lost its shine. I was away from home 300+ days/year with Taylor, and that was no way to start and lead a family. I opted to resign and find other ways to make money with a more stable home life. That was the right decision for me, and looking back I'm thankful for the direction I took. You're right, the biz has changed big time. I came to town in 2004 and things were different in both touring and publishing. I'm thankful to have experienced some of the old Nashville, and thankful for how the experiences grew me. I hope your new venture does well!

[@NickyV]

Man, truly thank you for sharing this. This is absolutely dead on and fantastic for people to read. I’m glad you did what was best for you and your family. Love hearing that. Also thank you for the kind words.

[@JacksonDreyer]

This is very good to read. - a 28 y/o Nashville artist who’s also a sideman making $250 a show (+ half for travel days, that seems to be the growing norm). Corporate band work keeps me afloat, and I pump it all into my own music. Very strange life, but I love it right now.

[@superfunhappyslide]

I would love to be on the road (or at sea) for 300+ days a year. It’s hands down better than working one or more factory jobs.

[@jayteesgear]

Bro this is awesome! I never got the big stadium shows or tours but I played with some folks who started bands after they got off those. Just knowing i put my time in in some shape or form makes me happy now in my late 40’s. God bless

[@bunangst8415]

Banjo Ben, I wholeheartedly agree that it’s important to be thankful to have advanced into a top creative project, but isn’t there a part of you that feels like you got pimped out?

[@NickyV]

I really wasn’t expecting the video to get the amount of reach it did. Really appreciate you guys checking out the channel and thank you for the kind words. Also, those of you that found the Venmo link in the description…you guys are too kind really appreciate it and going to try to up the production/camera work with those funds.

[@jjohnson8977]

Wonder what motley crew pays John 5? $2000 per gig ? Just a guess. I mean he has no play on their catalog of music. So he is just hired gun.

[@Boss302Kirk]

@NickyV Thanks, brother. Good luck with the future!

[@OrbVroomer]

I’m a club sound dude in St. Louis and every Nashville artist I had the privilege to work with were the nicest performers. Plus super talented. Guy does a Christmas show every year in this little club and his father tips every employee $100.

[@Rider-hh9it]

In 1987 I met jazz guitar extraordinaire’s Herb Ellis and Johnny Smith in a bar following their show at the Paramount theater in Denver. It was a chance meeting when Herb was walking behind me without knowing I backed up into him. I turned and saw Herb and Johnny being seated in a booth near the bar. We talked for a few minutes, told him I was a broken hearted guitarist who knew he didn’t have it. He asked what I do and I told him I was an engineer with Martin-Marietta in Denver. Herb told me to be thankful for my skills because the guitar pool is so deep with talent that most guys will never see the top.

[@NickyV]

@@OrbVroomer Nice!

[@sirfultonbishop]

One of my favorite sayings is, “We play for free, they pay us to move the equipment around.”

[@NickyV]

Hahaa true that

[@geraldm7435]

Exactly 👌

[@Kornerstoneband]

Truth

[@gilguisler2215]

Yep

[@mariswolowitz2969]

I played in the 90's, and averaged $150.00 a night. Then I was in a house band and only made $75.00. But it was more money because we didn't have to move the equipment.

[@caryshields_inKY]

Thanks! Beat of luck. I am an aged successful businessman that never succeeded as I desired, which is as you have succeeded. I love music, I love playing, and so now I enjoy “living vicariously”. Fun video. Thank you.

[@NickyV]

Man this is very very kind of you. Much appreciated and glad you enjoyed the video!

[@tlb2732]

There are many important things that get missed by nearly all young, motivated, musicians pursuing success in the industry. And I was certainly among them in the mid to late 80's when my two brothers and me were in a regionally successful band under contract with a well known talent agency. We kept the roads hot playing clubs, festivals, race tracks, and sometimes colliseums and arenas opening for legacy artists as well as hot acts, some at their peak. I was intent on spending my life as a professional musician. Then I met a girl in my hometown, fell in love, got married, and we had our first daughter. Looking back now at 60, my daughter being born saved me from a direction that wasn't best for me. When I first held her on the day she was born, I knew that her wellbeing and her future depended upon me. I made the decision that day that I would not let her down. From that moment on, music would be my hobby. I still continued to perform on weekends. But I went about securing a future for my family which later became a family of five. I learned in my life that family and faith are more important than all the rest. Young musicians are so taken by the thrill of fame that it takes them many years to clearly see the real economy of their situation. They're typically getting ripped off in many ways and eventually realize it. They're living paycheck to paycheck with no health insurance, zero benefits, and no investment whatsoever toward retirement. They believe all that is so far off that they can worry with it then. But all too soon, the hot new hired guns become old news when the new crop of naive kids arrive on the scene. Then wrinkles start to show and the road becomes grueling. Then age 40 appears out of nowhere and brings along aches and pains. At age 50, your body slows down and starts telling you it's had enough of the road. And if you havn't taken it upon yourself to learn and prepare financially for your golden years, you suddenly realize you'll have to work until the day you die. Life in music is fun. But it is FAR more fun with a secure future for you and your family and with medical insurance, benefits, and a retirement fund. I'm thankful that God gave us children and blessed me with sense to make the right decision. I retired as a telephone lineman at age 57. I'm a much busier and far better musician now than I've ever been. I currently play in two 3 piece classic rock cover bands plus I have a solo acoustic act and I sing often at church. I enjoy live performing on MY terms. I stay as booked as I care to be. My grandchildren and family can come to my shows. I sleep in my own bed every night.

[@NickyV]

Thank you for sharing this story. Needs to be a TED Talk for young folks wanting to get into it. It’s all a giant game of chess. Right now just road life personal life balance is pretty good. Really looking forward to being in town full time though. Get some weekends back and start a family. Thank you again for sharing and really appreciate you watching the video. -Nicky

[@redghost3170]

Great post.

[@tlb2732]

@@NickyV Enjoy yourself living the dream. But also educate yourself on investing for your financial future. I know I sound like the uncle at the family reunion that everyone avoids because he's talking a foreign language regarding this subject. But there are a number of good books out there you will be thankful one day that you read if you choose to. I read a few very good retirement investment books by Daniel R. Solin. Books about index funds were my best resource. Believe me when I say from personal life experience that with each passing year, the next one passes faster. Months go by like weeks. The day WILL come when you will have a deep desire for stability and companionship. I hope for you, friend and fellow musician, that you enjoy them both and much more when those years arrive. Break a leg!

[@riders.oregon4474]

I’m glad I made a career in the building trades. (Steady good money) I had a friend in 1980 that put himself through school and payed all the bills playing in a cover band at night . He made 400.00 a week. When adjusted for inflation that is probably about 1200.00

[@riders.oregon4474]

In 1980 there was live music all over. I guess nowadays everyone stays home and streams videos.

[@dzl8u2]

I'm in a cover band in Florida. We average $150 - $200 each. Tips can be another $20 - $100. Add in the setup and tear down time, and it isn't a lot. You have to love it and I do. I'm 60 and have a real job as well.

[@NestofWeasels]

Great advice. You have to do it because you love it. I’m much older than you but, when I was a teenager, I had a couple of accompished and commercially successful teachers. I was happy to have the opportunity to learn about music but I never had any illusions about becoming a professional musician. I was well aware how hard life was for the average pro. It seems like live performance is dead these days. Looking into the market, lately, it seems like little has changed as far as what musicians make in the last sixty years.

[@veltonmeade1057]

You are still doing this at 60? I am impressed and congrats. My last full-time band was in 1992. I left the band in January 1992, hit thirty years old on March 25 1992, graduated college on March 26 1992, and quit the music business. I got bored of the bar scenes, wanted more so I went to college for engineering. My true yearning was to be in an orchestra playing stand-up bass, but, competition for such a position is even harder than a bar band, but the money is fantastic. Stay strong and rock on!

[@ironmikehallowween]

Great video. Thanks

[@chillydoog]

What band do you cover?

[@THE_DRUMCAPELLA_10.0]

Thank for the tip, I'll message a note not to go to Florida, the pay here is 300-500

[@CampSwampy18]

"Choose your camp wisely" best professional advice on the internet I've heard.

[@NickyV]

Glad you caught that. Thanks for watching!

[@denniswilson6673]

@@NickyV Amazing wig

[@KenMac-ui2vb]

I gigged from '16 - '20 in my 50's. It was always a dream to play in a band and gig. I learned that being a gigging musician for a living would be insanely hard. I can see why doing it for the chicks might be a great young man's game but by the time of my gigging career, my wife never missed a show in over four years... yay. Making music for money is incredibly hard, humbling and so much harder than it looks. I learned having a Front Man that knew a ton of bar owners is the most important cog in that wheel. I learned playing in a studio is like walking into heaven. I learned that weddings definitely pay. I learned that four sets with a Les Paul is a workout. God Bless the Tele... Great post and thanks.

[@NickyV]

Appreciate you watching! So glad you enjoyed it and thank you for sharing!

[@hunterbobbyy]

God bless the tele!

[@toeknee5777]

Ur right about that les p aul...man thsts a workout

[@cju5150]

Preach!

[@JohnJohn-ir5hw]

@@toeknee5777 I lived and worked on Les Paul Ave in Waukesha, WI for a couple of years. THAT was work... traumatizing work... in the auto sales industry (and I sold really cool cars).

[@lennymartelli5150]

I hit a crossroad in 1989. Music full time or start my 1st business and do music part time. I chose the latter. This video just confirmed that I made the right choice.

[@Daniel-lm4zk]

Thanks for the reality check!! ... Average in town gig is still $100 .. hasn't changed since 1970... It's completely insane!! .. diversifiy diversify diversify if you want to make music and make some money!! Good info!

[@halfbakedmunky5566]

@@Daniel-lm4zk I dunno. I average $350 per 3hr gig.

[@danguee1]

0:04 I wouldn't not have understood that without the hand motion....

[@NickyV]

Signature move

[@Joel_Powell]

@@NickyV You have a great sense of humor - and you are a nice guy - thanks for doing all of this.

[@JayyVee41]

😂😂😂

[@bobbybush5030]

Thanks for sharing this! I've been in the business as a session and tour bassist for over 50 years now, and these numbers (as averages) are very accurate. Making more (or less in some cases) usually comes down to the artist and any tenure earned with them or with other artists. I've personally found that loyalty to tour players by artists can many times be tied to a commitment to the show & material by the player, how easy to work with they are, how prepared they are and how much of a team player they prove to be. I'm very grateful to all the artists and opportunities I've had the pleasure to work with over the years.

[@NickyV]

You are spot on man. Really appreciate you sharing that and checking the video out!

[@andrewgrant6612]

Those are soft skills that translate well to most careers and can never be taken for granted. Why would you want to work with anyone that causes grief for the rest of the group? Life is too short. lol

[@TylerRoyMusic]

Thank you for your openness to share and for our opportunity to learn. Great video brother

[@NickyV]

Man this is incredibly kind of you. Truly appreciate it and I’m so glad you found it helpful/interesting. Means a lot. -Nicky V

[@realSeanMcMahon]

Good video man. I stopped touring (give or take) when I had a family too. I’m a songwriter and player so I’ve found a nice balance playing dive bar gigs in the tourist area where I live, originals-heavy set lists, lots of tip jar hustling, put ourselves out there for private events, etc. It’s a far better living than when I toured, and it frees me up in so many ways to write and produce music. Naturally, the trade off is I’m not touring to promote that music - but most people will tell you that, until you can fill venues across the continent, you need to focus your promo on the internet anyway. My encouragement to you as you start your family, and to anyone here who wants to “make it work” (the musical life). IMO there’s no better time to do it your own way than now…great tools available etc, and in the right places, live music is more valuable than ever.

[@dougweingartz279]

One of the few videos I've watched that I'm bummed it ended so soon. I'm literally stunned that ANY huge stadium act pays less than $1,000... and it should be more. We, as simple fans that are now paying $50-$500 to see a huge act sell out an 18,000 seat stadium, and sometimes a 60,000 stadium always wonder about how much the take is.. along with expenses. All that money made for each show, and the musicians don't earn $1,000 - $2,000 each. Mind boggling tragedy. Thank you sir, for the humble, well stated info. Bravo.

[@NickyV]

Really appreciate the kind words and thank you for checking the video out! Couldn’t agree with you more, strange business.

[@leelafarlett3535]

I thought he said for those huge 18,000 seat stadium sell out shows they paid an averag of $200 a show. But why do you think its a tragety, I couldn't care less how little or how much they get paid. They would do those big shows damn near for food. They get their name in the credits, and get to meet a lot of people in show biz, contacts too, and its FUN.

[@timshea4592]

@@leelafarlett3535 yeah. last time I tried to pay for groceries with 200 exposures they threw me out of the store.

[@norcaldeemichaels]

I think one reason the young, enormous stadium acts pay so poorly is their still beholden to their label, who dictates who gets paid what. They may have given the artist a nice paycheck when they signed, but day to day aren’t making a lot in the grand scheme of things. The label finances the tour & logistics costs, which can cost many millions of dollars before the first ticket goes on sale. If The artist wants to pay the musicians more, that’ll come out of their own pocket, while the label, & management gets the lions share of promoters fees, merch & album sales. Once these bands reach legacy status & their contracts expire, they have more say & control how their organization is run. Shareholders of Live Nation & AEG can be more ruthless than an artists adoring fans.

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

@@leelafarlett3535 - FUN doesn't pay the bills.

[@mortonschmorton5249]

Thank you for making this. I am a 27 year old tour manager and monitor engineer for a legacy country/bluegrass act, and I make a salary, have insurance, and still have time to do outside work. 60-80 shows a year. It’s daunting trying to get into the industry and wondering if financial stability will ever be possible. But it is! Be encouraged!

[@NickyV]

Love this! Thanks for sharing man. I’ve been very fortunate as well. Off the road now and feel like I’m always getting away with something.

[@FirstToEleven]

Should we do one of these videos and explain how much cover bands on KZbin make?! I love that this info isn’t so closely guarded anymore. Thanks Nicky

[@NickyV]

I honestly am not sure what those bands are bringing in or I would try to break it down on here. Appreciate you checking the video out!

[@coreymanske]

Too few musicians speak openly and honestly about this sort of thing. People can't fathom a musician NOT ending up a big famous rockstar after grinding in bands for 35 years, but it happens all the time. More importantly, none of that should diminish the musician's love for what they do or the fan's appreciation for the music. Thanks for sharing dude. See you out there.

[@jmabs5096]

Sadly 95% of typical grinders that spend decades don't really grow much (unless they are exceptional and the right doors open) dont put all your chips in one pot. I would go learn a trade where they will pay you a livable wage and benefits, pension etc) or even be self employed gig to supplement your other musician career

[@coreymanske]

@@jmabs5096 Yeah, I don't know that I've grown as much as I've evolved over the decades, which can be both a positive and a negative. Having other revenue streams allows me to turn down gigs that don't appeal to me (whereas many musicians have to say yes to every crappy gig because they need every penny). I agree that all your eggs in one basket can be tricky, and with what the music industry has become it's tougher to make a living. NONE of that diminishes my approach to continue honing my craft. Do what you love.

[@toeknee5777]

Its like a lottery...

[@toeknee5777]

@@jmabs5096 on the other hand its like singing and/or songwriting in nashville. You might hit one..get noticed, or never make it period. But you got to love what you do, so as your in your elder years you can say you tried. Nothing worse than looking back and saying "i didnt even try"

[@RachelandDuluth]

This guy is the man. Once recorded parts for me way back when, maybe 2021, on a song I was working on called American Thanksgiving. Cannot believe he stumbled across my feed. Amazing player and amazing person!

[@NickyV]

Man thank you so much for the kind words. Means a lot and glad the paths crossed again this unexpected way!

[@geet77777]

2021 = "way back when". where the fuck is my life going.

[@dcool2u2]

​​@@geet77777 😂 ikr?? You can kinda guess how old someone is when they think 3 years is way back when 😂

[@andyschmid7259]

You’re laying out the facts in such an honest and transparent way, and I truly admire that. I have deep respect for all of you, traveling far and wide, away from your families and friends, to bring music to life. The years of dedication you’ve put into mastering your instruments and supporting the stars on stage do not go unnoticed. Without your talent and hard work, there wouldn’t be a single successful gig or a great record to enjoy. Your work is a testament to pure passion and dedication, and you have my deepest respect. Wishing you and all the incredible musicians in the studios and on tour around the world continued success! Warm regards from Switzerland, Andy

[@NickyV]

Andy thank you so much for the kindness and appreciate you taking the time to check the video out!

[@gregrudy8486]

Spot on. Had the pleasure of making some of that early 2000's money. The young guys are always telling me I'm out of my mind when I tell them guys playing the big stadiums are making a teachers salary. Not wrong. Enjoyed my couple of years on the bus, but don't miss it. The road is not a kind master. I'm thrilled that I have been able to find a way to make a good living for my family, and still play on weekends. Wouldn't take nothing for my life these days. Thanks Nicky. Well done and best of luck on the new endeavor!

[@NickyV]

Love hearing this and it’s cool that you got to experience it and are comfortable now. Appreciate you watching and thank you for sharing!

[@stewartlusk]

Appreciate the transparency here. I expected you'd be challenging a good ol' boy system. You literally gave potential numbers. Kudos.

[@NickyV]

Thanks man, appreciate you checking the video out

[@treynicholsmusic]

I’ll play my 100th gig of the year next weekend. 22, married, no kids. Teach privately during the week, playing regional acoustic shows 3-4 nights a week and guitar for hire sometimes. Making $250-350 on average per show including tips, $50/hr lessons weekly and biweekly with 10 students. I’m not selling out stadiums but I’m playing guitar for a living and absolutely love it.

[@NickyV]

Amen to that man. I have about ten students a week and track 50-60 tunes a month at the house. Definitely multiple ways of doing it if you are organized, have the skills, and personality. Thanks for checking the video out!

[@ronaldberman3596]

Very real and grounded with no ego. Fantastic, may I say again, no ego. Just real talk from a veteran. Very educational

[@scout005]

Great info, man! A lot of folks keep the money details close to the vest and are reluctant to get into what an individual musician can expect to be paid. You are doing a real service to any musician seeking to make a living at it. Thanks for this!

[@musicalgear1024]

Dont believe everything you hear on the internet brother

[@dsh0066]

Well, Nicky is entirely accurate here and I’ve got the resume and bank statements to prove it.

[@billknudson7895]

I was fortunate enough to be doing lots of well-paying private stuff on weekends with my friends, while working a very satisfying day job. One day something in me said, “I’ve had enough. I’d rather be home on weekend nights having pizza and watching TV with my wife.” I gave my notice. Parting ways with my buddies was not an easy thing, but I never regretted my decision to leave that life behind. We had a great 13 year run. We had a ball and made great money, but something in me just had enough. After that last gig, I parked my truck, unloaded my gear, and didn’t play a note for almost 2 years. Once I got the itch to pick up my guitar again, my playing really took off. That was in 2003. Since then, not a day goes by where I spend at least a couple of hours with my guitar. I’ve lost all desire to be out playing on the weekends. I don’t miss it one bit. I’m 70 now and fully retired. I got to sow my musical wild oats for a good many years. Now I’m enjoying the fruits of my labor. I’m a very lucky old man.

[@NickyV]

This is fantastic. Thank you for sharing. I get it, I’ve been off the road for two months now doing studio work full time. Income went up and love being home with my wife as well. Thanks for checking the video out

[@AaronPlowman-du3br]

Sounds like you lived your dreams and got to enjoy your life on top of it!!!

[@billknudson7895]

⁠You’re absolutely right. I couldn’t have asked for a better life. The best part was meeting my future wife at a bar we used to pack every time we played there. That was 40 years ago. When I hit 40, the economy took a downturn and took away all my weeknight work. At that point I had to bite the bullet and consider another career. I had no clue where to start. My wife was suggesting I go back to school, but there was nothing outside of music that I had a passion for. She had been suggesting other fields to explore, but nothing grabbed me. Then one day she said that I might enjoy becoming an interpreter for the Deaf, odd because we knew no Deaf people. There was something compelling enough about it to lead me to find out more about the field. One thing led to another, and I found myself starting college at 40. I loved it, and carried a 4.0 GPA all the way through. It seemed I had a knack for the language. About 8 months later I found a situation that required a male interpreter. I left school, and continued my education on the job. Six years later I passed my national certification. This past January will mark 30 years since I started that journey. I just formally announced my retirement. I met scores of incredible people and experienced things that I probably would have otherwise missed. I continued playing clubs and private affairs until 2001. I love playing at home, and put in at least 2 hours a day. Truly a blessed life.

[@AaronPlowman-du3br]

@billknudson7895 incredible story. Thanks for sharing. I was a nurse and have been struggling to find a new purpose with a new career, and it has definitely been a journey .

[@michaeltuttle3702]

Played the road for 4 years, landed house gig in west palm bch. and played Florida for 10 years, and moved to Columbus Ohio played there for 12 years. After that got a job with a big company and now have a very nice retirement. Every now and then go to Florida and play with some old friends and love it

[@mikeoxley4458]

I know a Bass player that has 40 students a month, that each pay $100 per month - all lessons on Zoom. So, $4,000/month for him, plus the gigs he does. Smart guy, and great player!

[@NotoriousFunk]

100$ per month, I suppose 4 lessons are 25$ per lesson. That's not good, I mean it's good because of the 40 students but definitely he is not getting paid a lot for all the efforts. Without sounding arrogant but I know people, who makes way more than 25$ per hour (me included)

[@jelambertson]

I would not pay $100 to watch a music teacher on a computer. In person yeah maybe, no way on a monitor.

[@NotoriousFunk]

@@jelambertson there are teacher who ask more than 100$ per lesson and many of them are full of students

[@highsocietysongchannel]

A wise musician once told me the music biz is 90% business. Thanks, Nicky, for laying this out and sharing in plain, concise English. Much appreciated.

[@NickyV]

You got it! Thanks for watching

[@spiretheband]

Nicky V, thanks for shedding light on a topic that's often overlooked. Understanding the financial realities of touring musicians in Nashville is crucial, and your breakdown provides valuable insight into the industry. Your transparency is appreciated, and I'm sure many aspiring musicians will find this information enlightening. Keep up the great work with your informative content!

[@NickyV]

Absolutely! Thank you for the kind words and watching!

[@claudehopper9813]

I know a great jazz guitarist . He only plays private events has minimum rate around $500. He always wears a tuxedo , plays an L-5 , using a small Evans amp w/ a short cord and a stool . He told me he spent 10 years practicing 8 hours a day and gave guitar lessons at night and played gigs on the weekends . I'm far from a jazz player but we've become good friends . You could call out any jazz standard and he could transpose it into any key effortlessly. I guess everyone has their wheelhouse some are just a little bit fancier .

[@AlexDainese]

We want his name.

[@MikeDonovanDrums]

Great, informative video Nicky and you seem like a real stand up guy. Stumbled across this by accident. I was lucky enough to land a legacy artist gig years back and it also paid really well, with salary and per diems. Got to play the Opry, the Ryman, Las Vegas Casinos, TV shows and more. It was a dream come true. I would later come off the road to raise my family. In my opinion, the best takeaway for musicians is to recognize the industry's financial limitations and position yourself to diversify and find other income streams like you're doing. - Continued success to you!

[@NickyV]

This comment right here sums it all up. Really appreciate your feedback and thanks for watching the video man!

[@CraigFranklinmusic]

Nicky, nice video. The first I saw from you. Yes, the Nashville Trackkng website sounds like a good move.

[@NickyV]

Much appreciated! Thanks for the kind words and checking the video out

[@STUDIOS-yv2py]

This info is wild. I make around $500 a gig and I go out solo. I’m actually really encouraged by this. Haha

[@zoomzoom3950]

music is like a fast food franchise where the hired musicians are like the minimum wage fast food workers, the household name star musicians are the franchise owners; the venue owners, record companies, etc. are like the franchising corporation.

[@awakentotruthmichaelsmith4698]

Good analogy

[@ChrisCadenhead]

brilliant comparison!!

[@russellstewart5414]

Very insightful

[@DrJ-hx7wv]

Nice avatar

[@craigstergriffin2097]

Wow, I what an education I got here. Surprised by the minimal wage earnings! Shocking. Show those musicians the money! Thanks!

[@NickyV]

Thank you so much. Very kind of you and appreciated. It’s a strange business we live in, thank you for checking out the video.

[@rtb1960]

I have a brother who has played all his life. never had any other job. Played for a TON of big acts and even has a grammy to show for it (along with a lot of nominations). His favorite saying is "I used to be a musician......till I got a JOB!"

[@thebruckners]

I am not in the business but recently watched the documentary 'Hired Gun' here on KZbin which depicts similar experiences in the Rock/Metal genres. I was shocked how these few elite players are constantly poached by the top artists and then paid so minimally. Perhaps more sadly, how they are treated as outsiders and not essential members of the band who can be replaced so easily. Really shines a light on how you have to do it for the love of music. Thank you for you video and candid information.

[@NickyV]

You are more than welcome. Thank you for checking the video out!

[@user-xt7rs8md7p]

Thx for this honest assessment. I’m 50 yrs old and wow I’m so glad I didn’t pursue a music career when I was young. I would be broke. Now im thankfully retired early… but I still wouldn’t do that work for that pay. You are better off being the artist… I was once offered $10 an hour (when I was free… like Saturdays) to be a studio musician via a studio… kind of a first call for the studio but paid by the studio… this was almost 20 yrs ago… I said thank you and declined… folks time with family is WAY more important.

[@dantheguitarman6839]

I always regretted quitting the band and focusing on a solid career in information technology and raising a family. Now, after hearing this, I don’t regret it at all. I had no idea, professional musicians that work so hard at their craft makes so little.

[@Firewalz]

I did the same, no regrets. I have a good salary from IT and can afford the gear I want and play what I want on the weekends. Home every night in my own bed.

[@donwoodward7944]

Ditto. You have to truly love music and music only with your heart and soul to try and make it professionally. The odds are stacked against you. I make a ton of money in IT have a great home, car, wife, kids, stability. I still love music and play a ton, and I do envy those who get to experience it at a high level. But I have no regrets.

[@FireFly14801]

Exactly how I feel! I have a comfortable income and I'm set for life. I can afford a small private plane, a boat, a couple of houses, etc. If I had stayed in music, I'd probably be flat broke--or worse, dead like some of my former bandmates. What a shame the music industry has become what it is today. And thank God for getting me out of it when he did.

[@oldgoat6423]

Same here. Even a failed programmer can make 80k a year easily. But a failed guitar player is busing tables.

[@ConradFisher]

Great video. Thanks!

[@NickyV]

Thanks for watching!

[@lawrencegoldman1823]

I had watched the video last week and was shocked by the numbers. Today, my brother and musician son were talking about one of my son's friends touring with a Frank Zappa tribute band. My brother said the guy must be making $5,000.00 a show since they were playing at the Meadowlands. When I showed them this video, they were shocked also. It's nice to get a dose of reality even if the truth hurts. My son said that after college, if he was offered to tour for $50.00 a show, he would take it. Travel when you're young I told him because you never know what may happen. Thanks Nicky.

[@rhesreeves5339]

If it's a Zappa tribute band they deserve the "degree of difficulty" pay.

[@TobyPlaysBass]

Studio Musician here. I'm in Film and TV your pay scale is pretty much dead on... I make $500 for 3 hrs. and it's very fast paced. Covid changed things but the standard is still there if you can't play a piece of music at 98% or above you will lose that gig fast. A bit cutthroat but that's how it is. We also have to write lines ourselves at times on the fly. Best part is I'm home. Great Video! Glad I found your channel. 🤘🤘🤘🎸🎸🎸

[@NickyV]

Man, thank you for the insight into that side of things. I might do a video on studio work sometime soon. That's on par for master scale here in Nashville. Demo rates and limited pressing is $250ish. We kind of use the union rates as a starting/reference point but varies a bit. I do 40-60 tracks a month at the house and its great but I definitely prefer the tracking sessions just to feed off of everybody's energy...and the immediate feedback from the producer is nice. Everything here is numbers with very little actual notation so we are constantly in the hotseat writing part being a guitarist...the whole coming up with signature intros and turns thing. Appreciate you watching!

[@TobyPlaysBass]

@@NickyV Almost all on my work is done at home now as well. I'm in NC and I couldn't agree more about playing with other musicians. I go into the studio very rarely and to give you an idea on our speed we usually complete an entire season score in one maybe two sessions, basically figure one day. The wild part is it takes them a year to film and it takes is 6hrs to Score it. So true about the big shows I have a few friends that has done the whole Europe tour thing and yeah it's brutal...

[@WyMustIGo]

That is low, I made more than that from home.

[@RyanConroyMusic]

@@TobyPlaysBass That's great though for the aspect that the energy is fresh and not wasted\stagnant. Really helps push the visuals along, and is probably more cohesive sounding. Thanks for the insight.

[@Stephen.Salamunovich]

@@NickyV $250 per song is typically what I get for recording these days too. And even when I've been on the same tracks as guys like Pat Coil and Tom Hemby from your neck of the woods and Bill Champlin who's in the RRHOF, we all got the same favored-nations rate. I'm in the PNW now and am almost never in a professional studio any more as the pirated music recording realities of today won't support that expenditure so you have to have your own home studio if you want to join in any reindeer games. So you really miss the advantage of tracking with the other guys and knowing what they're going to play to orchestrate your part. Since I play drums, I always put my part on first and that dictates things like what rhythms the bass players is going to play as my kick pattern is already a fixed entity by the time they get the files. Anyway, I grew up in the heart of the studio player zone of Los Angeles during the glory/analog days when bringing it, on-demand and without the backstop of any turd-polishing software was standard or you didn't get asked to the dance. I truly wish there was some way of bridging the understanding gap with the consumer/public who ultimately supports what we do, that even though we may not be there in person to play when you're thinking of pirating that recorded music, (so what's the harm?)......that it diminishes what we make because of the lack of overhead support for all that's required to do it at that level. It's the same for actors as they're being ripped off on residuals and the uses of their recorded performances and images too and for the same reason. The digital revolution in both music and film has broken the stability down that USED to allow for a standard working/livable wage for musicians. And I say that as a second-generation professional musician as my dad was a conductor and a studio vocalist before that. Anyway, that's my viewpoint from access to the last 70 years counting his experience and my own....

[@adbmusicify]

Thank you for sharing this! We need to continue sharing this info so people CAN discover the realities of being a professional musician. As with most of us, I was over a decade in, and started to realize these things 😅

[@NickyV]

Exactly why I made this video. Off the road now and doing studio work full time once I was there and realized what the ceiling was.

[@ZackSeifMusic]

Good to know that my wedding band pays the same as a high-level touring artist would pay. The cover scene on the East Coast pays $200-300/person/night on average and weddings here are $500-700/person/night. Appreciate this insight man!!! Cheers from a fellow Music KZbinr :)

[@NickyV]

That’s great man. Wedding bands take it in. Thanks for reaching out and checking the video out

[@MattMendians]

I moved to Nashville in 1995 in hopes of being a studio drummer. I ended up spending a lot of my time with one band called Leslie Road. I think we should have been able do full time but It never happened. I did get to play the biggest shows in my lifetime with another band, Progressive Rock Band out of Chattanooga, Glass Hammer. I have never been out on a tour bus so I’m glad I found your video. I found it through a page on Facebook Nashville Rock. Great video!

[@NickyV]

Thank you so much for sharing that and appreciate you checking out the video! Love that you got to play some big stages

[@MattMendians]

@@NickyV Thanks for commenting back. My biggest show I ever played was Nearfest in 2003 with Glass Hammer. Progressive Rock festival at War Memorial Theater in Trenton New Jersey. Rich Williams who is the guitarist for Kansas came on stage with us and we played the Kansas song Portrait He Knew. About 2000 people. I actually started to get tired of signing autographs almost. Following week I was back to valet parking cars and thought I was a star for a weekend! I think I only made $250.00. I wasn’t on tour just one long drive there and back in a van!

[@NickyV]

@@MattMendians Absolutely man, sounds like a great experience. So glad you got to do that. Take care.

[@MattMendians]

@@NickyV Thanks so much!

[@quijahn8369]

I’m not a pro, but I do occasional hired gun work in the New England area, in addition gigging with my own groups. I’ll make between $200-300 for fill-in with a few artists from the area at clubs and festivals when their guitar players can’t make the gig. I always thought this was “amateur” pay. I love playing recording sessions and festivals, but it unfortunately reaffirms my decision to skip Berkley and get a more traditional job. 😓 I always wondered what life would be like had I followed the guys I came up with on the road. Sounds like it would have been tough. Great video thank you.

[@aronkelley8634]

Getting paid to play music is my dream job. My love for music is priceless!! Great video!! 😎

[@NickyV]

Love that man.

[@dakotaholdenmusic8390]

Finally somebody covers this! Great video Nicky!

[@NickyV]

Thanks man! Appreciate you watching. Trying to pull back the curtain a bit here on the channel for those interested.

[@mrgreen4688]

been seeing a bunch of shows in vegas the last few months and always interested in this part of the business. not in the biz but find your videos fascinating! thanks

[@NickyV]

Appreciate you checking them out!

[@synonyx]

I remember when I was in High School how excited friends would be if they got a gig that paid $150-$200 for the whole band. These days, I don't think most of our local musicians are getting by just gigging. Most of them do 3-4 different things just to keep a steady income. Some friends of mine just sit in here and there because they enjoy playing live. They've given up trying to full-time gig/play live. You are spot on, you have to do it because you love it first. Thanks for sharing!

[@NickyV]

Spot on. Best feeling in the world for a strange pay scale. Appreciate you watching!

[@ehiggins7476]

The irony is that ticket prices for these shows have tripled in the last decade and musicians get paid journeyman wages for a show that makes a lot of money.

[@artpena72]

I used to want to be a travelling musician, decided to keep being an architect and just play for fun and after watching this video i see i made the right decision

[@mearkitek3773]

Me too!

[@MikeMaselli-p6y]

Great vid! Exemplifies why people like Nicky V are special! His passion for music is blaring! It's a tough gig! My humble opinion is that the gig musicians are the unsung heroes of this industry! Well done Sir!

[@NickyV]

Appreciate you! Thanks for watching and the kind words

[@tdav225]

Videos like this raise my respect for the professional musicians out there. Thanks for the insight. 👏

[@NickyV]

You got it. Appreciate you

[@SyntheticPoetry-fc8vv]

This may sound strange, but thanks for saying all of this out loud, Nicky. And more than anything else, best wishes for you, your family, and your family to be. God bless, my friend.

[@NickyV]

Truly appreciate the kindness. Been off the road for a few months now tracking full time. Feels great to be home and not in a dusty town somewhere haha

[@romeorobles226]

I’m a curious person and not a musician, and I found this informative and interesting. Thank you for your candor.

[@NickyV]

Nice! Thank you for checking the video out!

[@RidgeDogRoxx]

I was blown away by how little the current popular artists are paying - but then, the artist has the upper hand, I suppose. That's truly a bummer. On the other hand, I'm a musician that FINALLY visited Nashville earlier this year. In addition to paying my respects at the Ryman (and chatting with Nick Cave's road crew), I was blown away by the music scene on Broadway. Every honky tonk had amazing players plying their craft. Now I understand why so many non-country musicians (like Peter Frampton) are settling there. It's a player's paradise. Much love!

[@tattoofthesun]

You didn’t meet Los Straitjackets did you?

[@DrewBentley]

In Pittsburgh, a good solo gig is $350-$400, weddings pay $275 to $425 and you get to sleep in your own bed at night. Most of my Nashville guitar buddies are doing what I’m doing, making KZbin videos. (you as well) teaching, etc. I noticed that most of them are not on the road very often and obviously for good reason. That’s really a shame that the young country artists don’t value the pros. I have this conversation all the time with one of my longtime students. Musicians don’t get paid appropriately. Shanandoah Gig is sweet. That’s great!

[@briankehew579]

Solo gigs don't split the money - imagine splitting that in 2. Weddings and corporate gigs do covers, not original music. If you're doing original music and splitting it between four musicians and a tour manager, with hotels and gas etc that only leaves about 200,300 per person.

[@wecanonlywish9194]

$200,300 a man, is good money. 😂

[@calvinlyonsmusic541]

@DrewBentley yes.my son works Nashville and had a conversation with Marty ..and my son said he was one of the most sincere men he ever had a conversation with..

[@stanesposito2664]

I'm lucky if I make $100 a gig in Pittsburgh. Some clubs will only pay $400 for the whole band. Some want you to play for tips!!! There are a few bands doing good and special gigs, festivals pay more, but club gigs nope.

[@newsoundacoustics7973]

I really like this guy's honesty. Glad people like him are willing to help others with their gifting

[@NickyV]

That’s very kind of you. Appreciate you watching the video

[@mikelawrence4849]

Guys do remember that as we age brain workouts are just as important as diet and working out with weights and running. music seems to give me that at 73. playing with friends at about the same level of play. This has nothing to do with money but is an important aspect of music that does not leave me staring at a crossword puzzle. Great content Nick. You seem to be on top of what works for you and yours. Stay safe.

[@NickyV]

Thanks for checking the video out and your kind words Mike. No doubt that music is nothing but healthy for us all mentally...I feel very fortunate I get to do it everyday and not break my body down with physical labor (usually just bust knuckles working on my car haha).

[@HolidayWayLLC]

It's true... Mick Jagger works out every day.

[@mathtrixmusiclix4248]

I’m a longtime musician and have seen hundreds (more like thousands ) of shows. When my non-musician friends ask me what I think the band makes, they’re usually shocked. I like your style. Subscribed.

[@NickyV]

Thanks man! Appreciate you watching!

[@DerekFlores69420]

Super insightful! I'm a musician. I do fill in/hired gun work on multiple instruments, cover gigs, original gigs, and solo gigs. A lot of them requiring travel. Not all of them have great pay, but I've used that to build up some socials and do hosting gigs and be the face on videos for local bars video announcements/updates. It's a business. You get what you put into it.

[@NickyV]

That’s great! Appreciate you watching and thanks for sharing!

[@jlionz]

NIky, exellent content and well presented; that said the numbers you posited are shockingly low. I would have guessed giging Tier II-level musicians would be in the $800 to $1200 per show, your video disabused me of those numbers. When I think of what ticket prices are today I would have thought band members would be making more. You've started a really good thread; now, I would love to know what are the aggregated costs for not just the musicians, but the all the related tour costs, ( I.e. Promoters, Venue Owners, Management, Marketing & Promo, Hotel, Travel Costs, Insurance, Healthcare, etc.). A real world breakdown of these expenses by genre would make for sobering data when someone is contemplating making a livelihood as a professional musician. This topic deserves a lot more analysis and disussion.

[@sheilasmith8844]

As a touring live sound engineer for 25 years I can tell you that the numbers are very low for a reason....The reason is PASSION, and REPUTATION. When people are willing to play just because it is their passion, they will accept lower money just to be able to be paid for doing their passion. The other thing that goes hand in hand with this, is REPUTATION....As a musician it gives you a big reputation boost and a career boost to work with a famous or up and coming artist. Most musicians are so desperate to build their reputation, and add to their roster/resume that they will often accept much less money to add an artist onto their resume. They know that there is 1000 other players that would give their 1st born to be in their shoes. So they accept a lot less. I work with A List artists a lot and often times see the same players working with various different artists just to be able to stay working.

[@NickyV]

It’s crazy what people will do for reputation and prestige.

[@Jeffklinck_AnthemSinger]

Shenandoah is one of my favorite bands that I have never seen live. I sing their songs with my band (cover), but have never seen them live.

[@rik112]

Not a musician but am a huge live music fan. Thank you for sharing this as I've always wondered what musicians make out on the road. And my thanks go to you and all the other artists who fill the air with the songs that make life so much better.

[@NickyV]

You are too kind. So happy you enjoyed the video!

[@tonyrogers5709]

A friend of mine just finished a world tour as Porcupine Tree's touring guitarist. They played some HUGE shows...I've always wondered how well he was paid, but never would ask.

[@lisapochecalhoun]

What an excellent video! Your transparency goes much deeper than putting numbers out there. I appreciate you discussing your entire train of thought and how it affects your decisions. This is my first time seeing one of your videos on my fyp. I subscribed!

[@NickyV]

I appreciate that! Thanks for stopping by

[@srfokay]

we opened for y'all at Ketner's Mill last month (Chase Baker), was great to meet you! Great vid

[@NickyV]

Hey man! Was a pleasure. Appreciate you checking the video out!

[@craigtittsworth9440]

Really enjoyed your insight, your integrity & honesty! ... as a semi professional musician, singer and writer it's nice to see real numbers instead of the BS. Thank you for sharing this and " Keep those strings hot."

[@NickyV]

You rock man. Appreciate the kind words and thank you for watching!

[@kronosse]

Being on a retainer helped a lot especially through the quiet months, then comes the crazy months where you working your ass off. Lucky we had a bonus incentive, communication is key. Great channel.

[@farmboy6218]

Good info. As a rock musician the most I ever made, (in the 90s- I don't tour anymore), was $200 a show. I starved, which is why I will not tour.

[@rhesreeves5339]

I decided I wanted to play music AND sleep at home while raising my kids. I'm from about an hour outside Augusta GA so I got house gigs, eventually became the name on the sign and was able to make as much as 52K (once) but usually more like 27k. I played 6 or even 7 nights a week for 20 years and 3 or 4 for another 10. I was voted best in my little town for a stretch many years ago and opened for big acts as well as countless other random gigs. I loved it. I did whatever i thought I needed to.. Not always wisely and I lost many dear friends along the way. I paid heavy dues. I ruined my back because I play a 78 LP goldtop with p90s (possibly the heaviest) and it became my sound. I would not switch. Now it looks like if Willy played electric. I didn't exactly take care of it or me, just kept us running. No gold left on either of us. Lol I am awaiting a 2nd magor surgery after getting off the fentanyl I was prescribed (very hard) as they will need me to have as little tolerance as possible. I payed my taxes (IMPORTANT Y'ALL!) and feel very lucky to be on disability and SSI. I'm getting 5 more rods and pins in my lumbar to go with my 3 in the neck from headbanging. I had severe stenosis and was nearly paralyzed. I lost the feeling in my pinky and was in a wheelchair from that for a long time but relearned how to play an entirely different way. If you want to play, just go for it. Practice and work hard but take care of yourself and save every $ you can. You'll need it eventually. Oh, and pay those taxes! Best of luck & Rock on.

[@TGriffiths-ve6nw]

Headbanging! No doubt that is a neck destroyer.

[@mickeyfinnegan7469]

Yeah, feel your pain man, at 70 i wish i could get my brain[scrubbed of the bad memories]put into a fresh body!

[@highsocietysongchannel]

Take care of yourself, man!

[@basscase78]

Love this video. I made the move to Nashville 2 years ago and have recently started playing with some touring acts. Everything you are saying checks out from what I have seen! Another interesting thing I heard from a touring musician with a huge country act is that artists like to hire touring musicians that "look like their brand", meaning you could see all the band and that artist hanging out at the same bar and it would make sense. So if an artist has long hair and is all tatted up, touring musicians that look like that have a better chance of landing the gig. Or if the artist is clean cut looking and young, they may typically want clean cut younger players out with them.

[@NickyV]

You are spot on man. Welcome to town and really appreciate you checking the video out!

[@harpslayer414]

I was wondering about this!! Thanks

[@NickyV]

No problem!! Thanks for watching

[@michaelquillen2679]

Good video. In the early 80s I did a tour with a teenage heartthrob act from the late 50s and early 60s (I never drop names). I was paid $200 a performance (beat the $50 per gig I was getting). Transportation on the tour bus and hotels paid for. Meals were on me. Great experience and I loved every minute of it. Thanks for the video!

[@NickyV]

Sounds like a fun one! Love the positivity. Appreciate you checking the video out.

[@mikemcdonald5147]

if you don't drop names it didnt happen LOL ;)

[@michaelquillen2679]

@@mikemcdonald5147 LOL Back in the day, I did drop the names. Now, as an old "has been" it doesn't matter if they believe me or not.

[@knowmusicman157]

Ricky Nelson? Glad you weren’t on the Dekalb TX landing

[@VangeliRock]

Good luck to you Nicky V. As life long music fan and hobby musician I love hearing this kind of stuff and and meeting people online like you that are making a career from music. Really hope your in the music biz for as long as you choose to be.

[@NickyV]

This is very kind of you. Really appreciate it and thanks for watching

[@GWM9930]

Nicky, I am an “old timer” from the 70’s era. Your video is the “real deal” and is how all these you tube videos should be. I was surprised to hear the business side of touring musicians…..I would have certainly expected the numbers to be much higher. I follow a number of the big act Christian bands from Nashville (Newsboys, etc.) and I’m blown away at the pay per gig, travel, food, etc. THANK YOU, Great video, and excellent delivery!!

[@pompelmo904]

How do you compare the Christian scene to this?

[@jtromsness]

When I was doing my jazz studies degree I asked one of my instructors how he organized his schedule to practice. He said in the 90's a hotel gig paid $100 and rent in a downtown apartment was $500. He gigged three nights a week and had a lot of free time... and it was in that moment I knew, "I've made a huge mistake" (G.O.B.)

[@murep]

I’m very happy you can stay in the business till this point. 98% will never leave the garage . Just have to have eyes wide open. I gigged a lot and saved money but life moves on and I got tired of the struggle . Never stopped playing and still got a bit. TY for your video , only the best

[@NickyV]

It’s a tough business man. I’ve been very fortunate on the studio end of things. Thanks for watching!

[@champbodell452]

He's 💯 percent correct I am audio engineer and a electrician when I am out doing shows I am making $ 350 to $ 500 and when I am home wiring house , restaurants and so on i make the same cash flow

[@NickyV]

Appreciate you watching. Thank you for the backup, a lot of folks on here think I’m making it up haha

[@champbodell452]

@@NickyV I have fifty years In the business for what we all put up with on the road and off the road we are working for minimum wage if you think about it, But there isn't no business like show business,,,, lol. Just saying 😎

[@patrickgrant4804]

I was a sound engineeer/tour manager out of Nashville in the early 1990's. We played 3 nights a week (one bus with 6 on board plus the driver) and I was on a flat $800 a week salary.

[@davidblack5551]

That's it 😂

[@billyjohnston8431]

I’m a touring sound engineer today making that every day away on tour, 7 days a week, assuming the tour is a away for weeks at a time (otherwise just the number of weekend days away).. With inflation that would have been $400/Day back in your touring time but still I feel like things have progressed. Probably more for crew than session musos sadly. I do feel the musos get more screwed than anyone and they’re literally the ones up there making the show happen, I just make it louder

[@flamtaptrick]

My band opened for you last year. You were awesome, and Shenandoah treated us very well!! The musicianship was top-notch! Thank you for posting this video! Great info!

[@NickyV]

Very kind of you. Appreciate you checking the video out

[@conradthediscoviking]

This is a great video man. I play bar gigs, weddings and occasional theatre gigs in Portugal and I’m making as much or more than the Stadium bands you mentioned. This video definitely puts that blessing into perspective, thanks for that 🙏

[@JackThomas-t4m]

I’m bald.

[@ninthplace]

I once auditioned to play keys for the Eagles and got cussed out by Don Henley because I made eye contact with him :(

[@NickyV]

If this is true I love this story haha.

[@stevenbrennon9284]

That's sad what makes Don Henley like that I love The Eagles music especially their country songs I have all of The Eagles studio CDS. Maybe one day he will change. Thanks for posting and take care.

[@Take8Recordings]

Should’ve had the Wayfarers on 😂

[@BalakeHart-nh4xh]

What year?

[@robertdownie879]

I have always liked the eagles music .But am not a fan of Don Henley he dose not strike me as a nice person .Glen frey was not much better. They wanted all the money to themselves.

[@JuanalaCubananana222]

Thanks for the info. Very insightful for us musicians. I’m a high school guitar teacher here in El Paso, with low cost of living, and I make 60k a year with summers off.

[@NickyV]

That’s great!

[@fa6106]

Great Video. Non musician here but LOVE music and this type of behind the scenes info! Thanks 🙏

[@NickyV]

So glad you enjoy it! Thanks for watching!

[@cjpuhala5929]

Well done! The youngsters need to hear this…thx for your forthright explanation.

[@JohnnyKeatonWilson]

I really appreciate that you made this video. It's very practically oriented and it makes me think that if somebody had sat down with Levon, Rick and Richard and talked to them about the business side of music in this way years and years ago, maybe their lives near the end wouldn't have been as tough as they were. Of course, they weren't Robbie's sidemen, but the absence of this kind of conversation amongst musicians in years gone by (especially when it came to signing contracts) clearly had a really detrimental effect on some people. Keep up the good work.

[@NickyV]

Appreciate it man. Thank you for the kind and thoughtful words and checking the video out

[@beebumble9664]

Wow, musicians deserve more than that. This is surprising. Thank you for sharing. I'm wishing you well with all your endeavors. I liked, subscribed and am commenting just to support a fellow musician. All the best to you and your wife starting a family. That's huge.

[@ericecho5118]

So imagine what it must’ve been like when everyone stopped even paying for those musician’s music they spend time creating on CDs or download.

[@RTeBokkel]

My grandfather played Cowbell for Boxcar Willie. He did it for cornbread and the exposure. Now, we all still eat cornbread, and everyone in the family has diabeetus.

[@NickyV]

Comment of the month haha. Love it

[@codynelson545]

A guy from my hometown who was in our local music scene is the touring drummer for bailey zimmerman, i hope they are taking good care of him!

[@NickyV]

If you are talking about Max, I played a show with him a few years back. Great player!

[@BrianStephensOfficial]

I really appreciate the transparency. Good luck with the new website and recording projects!

[@BigMontiAmundson]

Solid info here for those considering a career in music and Nashville as their base. Continued success, Nicky!

[@NickyV]

Thank you man! Enjoyed getting to pick together last week! Appreciate you watching

[@AcrossOceansOfficialBand]

This is really interesting and well put together! I live in TX and have friends that solo act in San Antonio. I have some friends that use their acoustic guitar and play basic chords for 4 hours and other friends that use a looper that are really technically proficient with more equipment. Both are being paid between $3-400 a gig plus tips or song request fees. They are usually playing to 10 - 20 people at a bar or event and are able to make a living doing that 3 - 5 times a week. Some work 7 days a week but are able to go home to their families every night.

[@NickyV]

Texas always seems to take pretty good care of musicians. I’ve played in Texas more than Tennessee and live here haha.

[@MrBluesmanJunior]

I appreciate you making this video, it's very informative and as you say - you can't find any of this on Google. Anyway, as a European who is used to hearing about Americans making 2-5x as much money for the same job compared to ourselves (which has basis in several factors, I am not criticizing it), I am absolutely shocked at how poorly paid those gigs are. Even the top level ones. You are absolutely right that in any other field, the top 1% is much better compensated for their work. I can't imagine anyone who's not young, single and with no attachments that would be willing to take those gigs.