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@Elvengem3 ай бұрын
he inspires the inner cave man,the Id,the unrestrained spontaneous uninhibited person that as history teaches,will cause changes for the worse.Its been done many times,usually criminals take his advice. We instead should learn from the true wise people in history who have experienced what is right and wrong and are teaching us that wisdom and save us from making mistakes.
@Carsonbobarson985 жыл бұрын
This channel is so underrated, it deserves so much more traffic.
@PhilosophyVibe4 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@helloiamthechosenone2 жыл бұрын
Honk Honk
@CamuNai5 жыл бұрын
I think that the two best things about this channel are: - The style of explanation (a dialogue). -The last two minutes of each video. Even if I hae consumed philosiphy for years you always give an interesting insight on popular topics.
@PhilosophyVibe5 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. We’re so glad you’re enjoying the videos 😀
@finaldestination5133 жыл бұрын
Agree
@kavalkahn3 жыл бұрын
I love how the guy on the left is just listening and nodding and when he starts talking at the end Aristotle comes out of him.
@nicoleweigelt39384 жыл бұрын
The guy in the purple suit cracks me up
@mustaki76204 жыл бұрын
Same 😂
@sound19974 жыл бұрын
*in the hoarse-iest voice* "interesting..."
@jasper55743 жыл бұрын
me too
@stephenjohnson1112 Жыл бұрын
Numerous errors: the most important are: 1. Master morality is not defined by what benefits the master, but by the characteristics of the master - truth, bravery, activity, self-reliance; 2. Will to power is the drive to be the person you are, not a desire to dominate others; 3. The idea of a mixture of characteristics shows a fundamental misunderstanding. One cannot be both liberated and motivated by ressentiment. There is no middle ground between the übermensch and the last man. Like satori, one is either enlightened or not.
@Waaqawaaqa4 жыл бұрын
Really liked how you provided a counter argument at the end. Good for the easily impressed like I can be at times
@PhilosophyVibe4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed :)
@Sepazuzu4 жыл бұрын
Philosophy Vibe not every good counter argument
@rexthompson59094 жыл бұрын
His argument was essentially "people in positions of power demonstrate the values of slave morality" A counterargument is that these people are actually masters, they have just realized that the slaves will try to overthrow them and kill them if they become aware that those in power are masters, hence they pretend, they disguise themselves as slaves out of self-preservation
@paolung4 жыл бұрын
@@rexthompson5909 Perhaps the argument was that the best way to view morality is as a blend of both sides, and the most virtuous of us exhibit the positive traits of both and tend to reject the negative traits of both. The interpretation you are advancing sounds rather cynical to me and doesn't sound much like master morality as I understand it.
@auroraandreinamarcovig12664 жыл бұрын
Hi guys, I really like your videos, every one of them. Nice criticism you made here of Nietzsche's morality, and I can see what you mean. I just red "Beyond good and evil" and it is true, describing the world as he sees it, he does it a lot in this kind of dualism, strong or weak, master or slave. And throughout the book he really pushes the reader to be willing to become a master, to revolt against slave morality. But talking precisely about real existing/existed morality he writes that there are two FUNDAMENTAL moralities, master and slave morality, but that "in every superior or hybrid society it's clear that it has been tried to mediate between these two moralities, and most of the time, to mix one into the other (...) - even in the same man, even in the same soul" . So he knew that standing between the two was possible, he's only trying to describe morality HISTORICALLY, I suppose - and what for him is the best attitude is the most NATURAL one (everybody was looking for the essence back then), the one that a wild human beast would follow - will to power, so master morality. Since I think you guys are cool and I like your videos I thought to share what I red. Keep uploading!! xx
@PhilosophyVibe4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, and thanks for sharing your thoughts!
@jamescheddar4896 Жыл бұрын
I think it's a stepping stone but there's an inherent cyclical nature to this paradigm that doesn't get addressed. We've seen the revolts and know what he says to be true, but more often than not "slave morality" seems to be something methodically imposed onto a population through entities like the Catholic Church. If we could completely step out of this cycle and pretend we're more mind than matter, what would morality look like? Absolute wisdom. The only goal worth while is getting off this rock before it gets sterilized by the sun. Money, Power, Resources, Status, are all ego driven goals, petty things to be jealous over and even more petty things to strive for. There is no god, that means our survival is up to us.
@TrevorShredder3 жыл бұрын
The ending put everything I’ve imagined into a beautiful & honest perspective that holds incredible (missing) value.
@cfalcon83424 жыл бұрын
If there is no objective truth, that conclusion/proposition itself is false.
@911beats4 жыл бұрын
*moral truth
@jimlambrou63643 жыл бұрын
You've said something because you wanted just to say something... First listen carefully, second don't paraphrase what was mentioned. What mentioned: Objective Moral Truth. This is different from gnosis and general truth, my friend.
@jernyx91392 жыл бұрын
@@911beats 50 gees babyyyyy
@clickworks2 жыл бұрын
In fact Nietzsche did come to a revelation that the ideal is in between both moralities of men, calling them the Ubermensch, free spirits that would have their own moral virtues and would think independently of either slave and master moralities.
@josh34762 жыл бұрын
Great stuff as always, you guys are a massive help especially when I am too lazy to do the reading and need a quick explanation for an essay. One question: Is the master on the right hand side meant to be Pep guardiola or is it just an accidental doppelganger?
@PhilosophyVibe2 жыл бұрын
Glad we could help :) and it was completely unintentional but now you have said it, I can't unsee it.
@BlackMantisRed Жыл бұрын
I don’t think Nietzsche ever said it was black or white, yes a rich person can be a Christian but what you never seem to take into account is that Nietzsche doesn’t believe in freewill, so if a rich person was descended from slaves he has probably had their morals passed down to him generationally it’s not necessarily going to be something the rich person has the power to change. The way I interpret Nietzsche is he wants us to go through challenges and adventures which change us with the belief that the more experiences you go through the more adaptable you become to the world around you. The will to power is not only about obtaining power, it is also about using power or making expressions of power, when a artist paints a fantastic painting that is an expression of power, the artist is showing off how skilled they are, when a rich person sleeps with multiple people that is a expression of power because they are showing that they are able to act in a way that most cannot. Nietzsche did talk about how the masters showed pity towards people, he actually believed pity was acceptable in these cases because the elite where using pity as a expression of power. Another big problem is that a master and a rich person are not necessarily the same to Nietzsche, being good with money being able to manipulate money is not something Nietzsche would see as a master trait. That is more closer to Ayn Rands belief, Nietzsche was not in favour of capitalism.
@istismification2 жыл бұрын
Isn't saying the highest virtue "walking in between the two" an appeal to moderation fallacy? Certainly it can be argued that Nietzsche saw things as black or white, but that doesn't necessarily mean gray is the highest moral position or even a good/non-self contradictory position.
@jimmysmith7362 жыл бұрын
I personally believe there is no such thing as virtue, life is nature therefore death and violence is actually a normal part of life. I think maybe in the west we have it too good for too long
@j19l8r48 ай бұрын
Then what do you suggest?
@KittyBoyPurr2 жыл бұрын
Nietzsche is a genius
@shawongupta3533 жыл бұрын
this is the best philosophy so far
@ItzSJbro3 жыл бұрын
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@jimlambrou63643 жыл бұрын
You where right. We need the gray zone. There is the first step of transvaluation. And as Aristotle said, "μέτρον άριστον".
@marcpadilla10943 жыл бұрын
The will to power is using morality for the greatest possible good for both the individual and the world at large. Paradoxically it becomes black and white in application by default of being the will to power.Relatively it is not black and white but simply the application of energy and power to acquire more power. So yes it is a combination of virtue, vice,positive and negative values with specific results in mind.
@finaldestination5133 жыл бұрын
very good video brother
@PhilosophyVibe3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@AsadKhan-lu8kx4 жыл бұрын
Perhaps Nietzsche would counter the sore throat guy by asserting that the masters occasionally indulge in displaying 'slave morality' not out of compassion or a sense of duty, but only to placate the weak and poor to avert the possibility of a revolt and thus reinforcing and perpetuating their privilege.
@limitless16924 жыл бұрын
Yes Asad Khan In many cases people don't like to hear the truth . Insteam of me saying : -I am succesful because my work and ambition with my sole skill and vision i achived my goal . Is better for me to say : -I achived that goal just because i am lucky . The herd loves to hear that a man has no control over his destiny , and that god or some cockie monster decides their success or failure.
@matthewbennett27353 жыл бұрын
That’s quite the superficial juxtaposition. Why divide the two? Why even have the two when in reality it’s conflicting shades within the same soul. Nietzsche himself recognised that - see Beyond Good and Evil, 260.
@mustang82063 жыл бұрын
Except that's not true. There are plenty of people in power who help others because they want to
@pujanrai74173 жыл бұрын
That's what Marx would say
@cutemouse55195 жыл бұрын
Very interesting individuals
@PhilosophyVibe5 жыл бұрын
Indeed 😀
@azazelgrigori92442 жыл бұрын
I have similar ideas as neitzche, but I agree his way of thinking is black and white. There is something to say about caring about others. Unfortunately, having compassion and empathy is useless with out the power to act upon it. Compassion gives purpose to power and power gives capability to compassion.
@rustyspoon43194 жыл бұрын
Great video, I’m amazed this channel doesn’t have more recognition, keep it up :)
@PhilosophyVibe4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@ondrejjavurek77484 жыл бұрын
I think you slightly misunderstood him, he actually agreed with what you say at the end, here is a video explaining the misunderstanding of Nietzsche: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpqcq5emgdGLnJI otherwise great video keep up the good work.
@michelegranata22472 жыл бұрын
Hi guys, My compliments on the video. However, I don't think Nietzsche's theory about slave morality is that simple. Nietzsche wasn't saying that who's rich is master morality and who's poor is slave morality, but it is more about collective conditioning. You spoke about black and white, and, yes, Nietzsche likes to be strong in his opinion and creates contrasts. But who's rich can still be a slave and who lives humble a master. Let's see why. Let's take as an example a wealthy man that considers himself a Christian, as you said. That man can be either a master or a slave, it depends on how he sees the world. It depends on how he faces life, on if he takes risks and questions all the morals, including Christianity. Maybe that man didn't get rich challenging himself every day, thinks he's Christian, but in the act, he's selfish, or doesn't want to think much about it and just joined a collective thought. Most of the time people lie to themselves first. Sometimes they feel obliged by practicing, as you said, celibacy. I don't think in the first instance practicing celibacy because of a God is master morality, it wouldn't be even considered at that point. But practicing celibacy to challenge your capacities maybe could be considered like that. Nietzsche preached the hymn to life and urged young people not to follow without wondering and create rather than follow. A man with enough food and shelter, who chooses to live a life that is less conditioned by money, can still be a master. If he challenges himself, feels healthy and strong, meditates, knows himself inside out, he can still be a master. Is more about fulfilling your maximum potential than becoming rich. Then he was talking about charity to the homeless as pity, and a situation in which both parties are ashamed for the situation of the poor begging for money. He wasn't though against helping people, but making it actively, maybe increasing your will of power, which means challenging your capacities and time helping a person, which makes you learn something and makes you stronger. Thank you.
@michaelangelokapirig61514 жыл бұрын
Subscribed! Keep it up fellas!
@PhilosophyVibe4 жыл бұрын
Thank you :)
@ryaheudesaa4 жыл бұрын
thank you so much! all so clear now
@PhilosophyVibe4 жыл бұрын
Pleasure, thanks for watching.
@RandallWhiskey4 жыл бұрын
The voice reminds me of a channel called Way of the world Mayhe he has two different chanels ..
@petermeyer68732 жыл бұрын
This is some high quality philosophy channel! Complex theories stripped to the core and explained in standard language - right to the point!
@PhilosophyVibe2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, glad you enjoy :D
@AspieMoonWoman2 жыл бұрын
Ure amazing thank you. I want to ask ..what ABT those in the middle..like religious ppl in power...those who seem seperated from the masters and seem close to the herd...they own the power of masters but they also are envy proof from the herd...do they take same stand of political oppressive power or are they seen in a different light...since they are seen virtuous while they actually exercise their power and enjoy riches in the dark but still get to keep status quo especially in thrild world countries for example..did nirtzche include those in the masters?
@kristougher94412 жыл бұрын
Actually, Nietzsche pointed out that those two moralities could occupy a single soul. 😊
@xianseah48472 жыл бұрын
What do you mean exactly?
@kristougher94412 жыл бұрын
@@xianseah4847 in his book beyond good and evil, he pointed out that at a certain time although not evident that it is synchrony. Both master and slave morality can occupy a single soul. So there's actually more grey area than black and white.
@bhavyasat7743 жыл бұрын
most simplest explanation I've ever come across
@PhilosophyVibe3 жыл бұрын
Glad we could help :D
@tangerinesarebetterthanora7060 Жыл бұрын
What this video gets wrong is characterizing actions as either acknowledging and furthering the will to power or not when Nietzsche believes all actions are a will to power even if some are less straightforward or obvious. The slave themselves want what the master has so by making the master feel guilt or shame the slave is exercising their power on the master.
@ianreynolds85524 жыл бұрын
This is good vid good channel , thing is why don t the guys themselves appear on here instead of being animated!
@oronk60 Жыл бұрын
And that's where the Ubermensch comes in. He is the ideal that surpasses both master and slave to form his own morality.
@oronk60 Жыл бұрын
@Johnny No, it's not.
@witmentality59102 жыл бұрын
This video was masterfully constructed, well done
@PhilosophyVibe2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@SammyJ962 жыл бұрын
I just love how these two debate, philosophy.
@PhilosophyVibe2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Sam-ng3of4 жыл бұрын
Nice breakdowns!
@PhilosophyVibe4 жыл бұрын
Thank you 😊
@aguy5592 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Nietzsche, on this point, was simplistic.
@123sLb123 Жыл бұрын
you are saying forgiveness isnt strenght? i mean real forgiveness where the ones who tried to hurt you and make you vengeful ultimately have no effect and you still carry on? i think its strenght, the need to get revenge ultimately takes away your power
@muzamilkelam29573 жыл бұрын
Damn it, dude! It was going fine and you argued against it and now I am sold! Great content!
@PhilosophyVibe3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@fredpownall83473 жыл бұрын
Just a quick comment on those that are in positions of power but demonstrate slavish virtues. N addresses these people in the first treatise of the genealogy of morality - they are nobles with a higher sense of purity - the priests who founded Christianity. N believes that all of our actions are at least partly egoistic. Hence, powerful people doing 'virtuous' deeds are doing so with partly selfish intentions based on a misconception of morality.
@Marty_Wildman4 жыл бұрын
The master and slave morality have a different interpretation of the word better. A person can be strong, powerful well off (master morality good) and still assert the slave interpretation of better, and while they can achieve status and well being in society promoting these values, they are, when the big picture is considered, on a path to nowhere. A person can be both ambitious and humble? Of course, but they can't both be prideful and humble. That would be hypocrisy, and when they try to assert themselves as good, of the first rank, not of the popular moral good, they will get cut down. They are only allowed to further the vindictive poison of the herd which lowers the entire group. Trying to bring up everyone and yourself is really exactly what Nietzsche's writings are trying to achieve. A lot of red herrings and mental gymnastics are going on in the last part. Kind of missing a key point of the philosophy, the fact this is the exact danger of the slave morality, is only when it corrupts strong individuals and stops humanity from reaching its full potential. His philosophy is dedicated toward the strong and optimistic in shedding the values that are of no use, humility, Christian values, giving to the downtrodden because they are downtrodden (not the same as giving to a downtrodden person because you believe you can better their situation and see good in them, that the master morality would see in themselves. The giving is not driven by sympathy with failure.) The fact that a philosopher who has such deep insights into ourselves and our psychology, the correct origin of our moral values, the ones that have been for the most part unquestioningly digested by great masses of people for millenniums and then gets called a black and white thinker is the exact reason many of us can't hold up your definition of good and feel any sense of justice.
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@Ccm20192 жыл бұрын
Khabib Nurmagomedov is one of the examples I like to use as an example. To powerful, but wants to enhance the life around them.
@LilGanjam Жыл бұрын
He is a Muslim, so he believes in Slave Morality.
@pegasosarete73522 жыл бұрын
I must say I do not agree with the black/white criticism. I do not feel Nietzsche is looking at it in a simplistic manner. Day and night are moving into one another gradually, causing countless states of 'gray' but at the same time they are still 2 distinct entities. Likewise, although every relationship has a different measurement/dynamic in terms of authority, one is always master to a slave or slave to a master, in any relationship. If you put 2 entities together one will be stronger than the other. You mentioned that some Christians may be less prone to slave morality and some non-Christians maybe prone to slave morality. Nietzsche is not disputing this. Nietzsche is not talking about labels but about mental dynamics. Christian ethics as expounded by St Paul are per-say slave ethics. I can have master ethics and call myself a Christian, but in that case I am not imbued with St-Paul ethics, but with some other brand of Christian - or other - ethics. Although I still need to meet the first citizen of a culture that adheres or used to adhere to a monotheist religion or was dominated by it through colonization, who does not unconsciously lives according some form of slave ethics. Nietzsche uses simple, coarse, terms to describe a very subtle reality. I also have to add that in essence all of us adhere to master ethics, by birth. Slave ethics is a dis-formed,, unconscious, concealed version of the natural ethics of mankind which is just the same driven by the will to power, but inefficient, unsuccessful and creating mental suffering and impotency and actually enabling a few masters to manipulate and subdue everybody else.
@mr_nexys4735 Жыл бұрын
Wonderfull coment🎉
@kedaruttarwar65353 жыл бұрын
You cut off the video at a very wrong time!!! I want the counter argument of the last presented argument!!! Pls!! Make a video on that and send it to me!!!! Or atleast dm. Do whatever but I want the answer to it!
@reginaphalange96292 жыл бұрын
Lmao not with that attitude
@zunaidraoha87223 жыл бұрын
Isn't it contradictory to follow both two rules that are opposite to each other at the same time?
@jabariiwilliams52792 жыл бұрын
This was an amazing video, for the information and insight gained I am very thankful.
@PhilosophyVibe2 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome, glad you enjoyed :D
@axisapex4 жыл бұрын
Slave is bondage to ones own sins and you serve them in weakness. Well Master is following the one that created you with courage Strength Character Morals So it depends on how you look at it.
@philosophywithanirishaccen48493 жыл бұрын
Loving these Nietzche discussions so far
@avizokhatsu87934 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@PhilosophyVibe4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@ackomanah64862 жыл бұрын
I am not so sure that Ubermensch needs a fancy car or to show it off. I know plenty herd who are running to get the latest model car. Many of the best are not interested in great wealth {although they may posses it: Henry Cavendish}. It is beneath them
@moneyrulus48833 жыл бұрын
The problem is that christianism is not about being weak, you're only good if you have the option to be bad and decide not to do so when it's not necessary. Christ could have been the emperor of the world if he would have wanted so, if you are powerful is easier to be a tyrant, if you are powerful it's hard to continue being powerful without being a tyrant. You cannot say that Christianism is based on the idea of weakness (even when some people want to see morality in their weakness) because Christianism is full of stoic ideas, few people can be stronger than a stoic.
@xianseah48472 жыл бұрын
Someone called himself the rightful king of jews, but did not have the power to do so.
@lifechallengs23154 жыл бұрын
perfect👌
@PhilosophyVibe4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Raven28Pisces3 жыл бұрын
Eren be like: *tatakae.. tatakae... tatakae*
@limitless16924 жыл бұрын
I am not sure that the purple joker guy is serious or just messing aroun... Because duality is everywhere around . To me what the joker guy says sounds like a lazy argument...
@aliriddick94282 жыл бұрын
Noone gad a problem with honour bravery getting ahead. Itvwas the opression starvation & no rights that the masses resented
@mewying51842 жыл бұрын
Ariatotle morality
@teddnagurski55832 жыл бұрын
The criticism at the end is wrong. Nietzsche said there were more than two groups (masters, slaves, creatives and the enlightened) so it's not a binary view.
@swagatparida73672 жыл бұрын
The masters are Arsene Wenger and Pep Guardiola
@kishors88802 жыл бұрын
This is very poor understanding of the Nietzsche.......you make Nietzsche sound like Machiavelli.
@cosmicmusicreynolds3266 Жыл бұрын
Neitzsche no doubt had a intelligent mind but did nt practise the master theory himself. he died insane poor and a part if the heard. though i admire his psychological observations alot of what he said can not fit in with how we see morality.
@mr_nexys4735 Жыл бұрын
I have never been so digested at watching this video, that agreeing thing in the background mademe want to shout. And the final argument against Nietzsche morality, made me throw up. Firstly anything can be black and white take negative and positive number, differ by magnitudes. Secondly all moralities start as a master morality(for the master have the confidence to begin one, to posit new values as Nietzsche calls it).And then as a result, master morality becomes slave morality, there is no in between, only the strength one believes in a morality
@edwardprice1403 жыл бұрын
Can you straighten your damn rug ?
@SXCLADE4 жыл бұрын
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@AAa-p3x3 ай бұрын
drink more water
@mr_nexys4735 Жыл бұрын
I have never been so disgusted at watching this video, that agreeing thing in the background made me want to shout. And the final argument against Nietzsche morality, made me throw up. Firstly anything can be black and white take negative and positive numbers, differ instead by magnitudes. Secondly all moralities start as a master morality(for the master have the confidence to begin one, to posit new values as Nietzsche calls it).And then as a result, master morality becomes slave morality, there is no in between, only the strength one believes in a morality. And to even have the audacity to say such a petty argument against one of the most influential philosophers of all time, is disgusting to be on a philosophical chanel. How dare you already misinterpret a already misinterpreted man.