Nightmare Hand with Pocket Aces for $3000

[@jake_villanueva]

Bart - “that’s a good hand” 🤣

[@BEASTCLANXxXx]

The Man doesn’t miss

[@Th3Freek]

“A poker players biggest enemy is fear.” - Doug Polk After the flop, the caller stated that if BB had 99’s he was “ok” with losing his stack in this spot. He also was very sure UTG had KK’s or QQ’s. Given this, how in the name of Bart Hansen is the turn not a jam?!? River gives 3 more combos that beat you but still kind of an easy jam once UTG caps himself by just flatting. No way I believe he doesn’t jam with QQ’s. With the given configuration there aren’t any 4’s in anyones’ range really. So you’re losing to 3 combos of 99’s on the turn (easy jam when low stakes players just can’t fold overpairs) and then you lose to 3 more combos of QQ’s on the river. 1 combo of aces for chop, 6 combos of KK’s, and let’s just say 3 combos of JJ’s, because maaaaaybe he doesn’t go full retard with all his JJ’s. That’s 9 combos you beat on the river, 15 combos you beat on the turn. Stick it in there and print that money…

[@adamseidel9780]

You mean jam on the River, not the turn, right?

[@emilecarette8993]

@@adamseidel9780 both ! Yeah i agree

[@qazzaqstan]

I mean hero admits to being extremely confused by the BB here which is understandable and I think is really driving his decisions. It is hard to shove into someone when the only way their plays make sense is if they have the nuts. That said I'm pretty sure I'd jam turn (honestly I'm probably betting 75% pot on the flop since both ranges are so overpair heavy and if I'm raised anyway I think it is a 3-bet jam). River call is actually where I think hero made the biggest mistake though. If you think you are actually good the 9%-10% of the time you need to be to make that call I think you need to jam (though the funny thing if is I magically ended up there with QQ from the UTG spot I'm not raising because BB already has all their money in, so I want to maximize the odds the BTN calls). I can also actually get behind folding here just because action is so weird I think it is more likely you are wining 5% or less than that you are winning significantly more than the break even rate.

[@emilecarette8993]

@@qazzaqstan bro you need to be 50%+ to value jam river. Not 10%. And he can have kk = 6 combos versus qq= 3 combos so its easy value allin river as played

[@qazzaqstan]

@@emilecarette8993 you need to be over 50% against UTG to jam over 10% against both to call. I think in most scenarios that you are 10% against the field you are over 50% against UTG given the action and player description. It is not sole a 6 combos of KK v 3 combos of QQ though because QQ is always calling so KK has to call your jam at least half the time (additionally if they ever have 99 we lose though based off description of the player it feels like maybe .5 combos if any) and again given the player description it feels like they would call with KK over 50%.

[@nickmullen402]

I am 100 percent ripping the turn and might very well have ripped the flop. UTG is not folding an overpair unless the BB comes along and even then he's probably just gonna put it in.

[@nickmullen402]

and I'm ripping river... screw it

[@FocusedAndMotivated100]

Yea me too. I’m jamming flop

[@mattstieg5388]

Easy to say that in hindsight. You're not taking more value knowing they each likely have a 2 outer!?

[@certuhfygreatest5705]

First of all how did this not become a three way all in before the flop 🤣🤣

[@danielhurst8863]

Stopped at 12:00. I'd jam the river to create a side pot. If UTG had QQ or 99, I'd really expect a a river bet. UTG likely has KK, and will call your all-in. I agree you appear beat by BB, where 99 is most likely, but there will be a broadway pair here sometimes as well, JJ KK QQ. I think jamming the river is the most EV play here, if you get to the river. I'd have jammed the turn 100% of the time. UTG is still calling you with weaker hand.

[@johnryal]

Lol. I stopped at 12:20 to read the comments because I was thinking the same thing. He can have QQ hoping you’d call w/ AA and thinking a shove would scare you away.

[@afwaller]

I would have done the same. I also paused to check the comments exactly at the same time. 12:00 gang

[@adamseidel9780]

I’m not sure I get the turn jam. In this particular hand it may fold out the guy who binked the river, but I don’t see how it doesn’t just fold most over the overpairs you have crushed and get calls from the 99s (and 1 44 in the Bb’s range) or the weird straggler 4s out there. I don’t see the value in it. But I also support a river jam, so maybe I need to reevaluate if they’re really that different…

[@caryrosenthal9916]

That has a ton of merit to me too good thought. KK wasn't folding obviously

[@adamseidel9780]

@@caryrosenthal9916 kK probably should fold, but doesn’t often enough

[@brianfarley4814]

I usually agree with Bart - but I'm very confused on this one. I see no reason why not to put in raises earlier if you really believe that UTG has QQ or KK. Flop - why not make it $200 if you think UTG is so strong? Why not raise to $800 right here after the UTG raise to $350? Turn - why not make it $850 or $900? We think the short stack has us beat AND we think that UTG is not folding AND we don't plan to fold to the tiny amount that BB has left behind. River - why not push the rest in and hope for a call from KK? I don't think UTG ever has QQ in this line, and I mostly think BB has 99 so I'm just trying to get a rebate.

[@tomignacios3668]

I think it’s a slam dunk jam in the river. UTG just always has 1010 JJ KK AA given how the hand played out. 99% of the time if has 9s full or Qs full he’s going to re jam river. You lose to A4s which would reasonably just flat bb river jam but we’ve already said that’s impossible given he’s a tight player raised UTG and you block only other A4s combo. Feel like you should jam it feels like on the turn you never have the bb beat (even tho you did) and on the river when he jams into two people it just feel like you dead lol. 100% river jam in my opinion

[@rhcp9009]

This is why I don't get fancy with AA, ppl get too greedy. If he would of blasted off flop or turn QQ would of had a chance to think twice. It's an absolute one of sickest coolers in poker u can imagine, AA vs KK vs QQ but it plays out all the way to the river on a low board. The odds of it ever playing out like that are elecrtifiyingly minute odds. Just insane bad beat(not cooler had to edit that, he would have "coolered" them if his AA held but instead took a "bad beat") at the end of the day no matter which way you look at it.

[@noex100]

Maximizing your value with a premium hand isn't greedy, it's solid fundamental poker lol. And if you're trying to get a hand with 4% equity on the turn to fold because you're scared, you're playing bad poker, period. Unless you lack a bankroll, you don't want far worse hands to fold, especially when they have a 4% chance to win.

[@johnc505]

Half way through the vid listening to the discussion on the flop, and this feels like a super clear shove… one of two has JJ+ and if 99 is out there then reload…

[@windy619]

I disagree.

[@johnc505]

Ok, don’t reload.

[@Glitch47278]

Hero mistake in this hand is not jamming turn. It’s a slam dunk spot. I feel like both utg and bb are fairly face up throughout the hand. I think river is also a jam but it’s not as clear of a spot.

[@caryrosenthal9916]

If hero jams I doubt QQ folds but we'll never know. I see more merit in jamming the flop then maybe QQ might fold but when another under card comes on the turn makes it more skeptical at least I think.

[@noex100]

Wrong, that's results-oriented. You don't want the hand with 4% equity to fold! How do you ever expect to make money if you are trying to prevent players from calling when they have a 4% chance to win?

[@caryrosenthal9916]

@@noex100 you're 100% right! Thanks for commenting

[@johnyoung823]

I think it’s exactly the opposite. Jamming turn only scares away worse hands like QQ (tho most people would call here anyway) and gets called by better. The way it was played and way UTG flats river, he’s obviously not nutted. Jam river to create side pot w UTG is the logical play especially as you said they played pretty face up the whole time.

[@Glitch47278]

@@johnyoung823 I just disagree that utg is folding getting the pot odds he’ll be receiving. Bb is obviously a major donk and might even call it off with a hand like 1010

[@HectorCamacho67]

Every single caller ‘Thats exactly what I was thinking’ 🤣 ok bro

[@windy619]

This is such a sick sick hand

[@dangto3127]

It's funny reading the majority of comments saying the caller has to raise the flop or the turn. You only raise to bluff, to protect or to get value. Obviously he doesn't have a hand that he needs to bluff. The board is very dry so no need for protection raise either. Since villains' hands are most likely over pairs, which only have 2 outs, your priority should be keeping them in the pot, not to scare them off. Lastly he's on the button which can easily get value on river, especially with that small SPR. If UTG checked or bet small river, you can comfortably bet/raise all in river. If UTG went all-in then you can re-evaluate. It only makes sense to go all-in on the turn if you were out of position since they might check back river. Overall, I think the caller played correctly until the river. River should be a re-raise all-in after UTG only called 300. If UTG had 99 or QQ, he would have definitely gone all-in instead of calling. If he had KK or even JJ/TT, he would likely to have a crying call the re-raise all-in given the small SPR.

[@brandonculbreath7504]

hey just an observation.. if UTG only raised twice before preflop with AA KK.. then 3bet on button pre should be even larger because blinds wont be calling anyway unless they are nutted.. and turn action BB can discount 99 when not all in after UTG bets again with only 3hun back to commit both players.. AA is fold on river when BB shoves no matter the pot odds in this case.. only representing Quad 4’s or QQ 100%.. and UTG has QQ hoping hero over calls.. or KK and is 75/25 chance calling over shove by hero 😊😊 just always take your time! Happened to me a week ago!

[@davidchapa4611]

I was thinking raise for the side pot before it was suggested and have successfully used that play a few times before. Big multiway pots at small stakes often means bad players or everyone in some form of tilt.

[@josephhall1049]

should probably jam river after UTG check to target KK, JJ & 10s. should probably jam the turn as well, but UTG might find a fold. BB committed.

[@rjmacready9828]

That is so dirty

[@ilovebrandnewcarpets]

I think we either have to get it all in on the turn or hero fold *edit* QQ aint folding the turn. We're losing this pot either way.

[@adamseidel9780]

Well yes, but if we jam turn and BB hits their two outer… cest la vie.

[@JohnSmith-nx7zj]

@@adamseidel9780 and if hero had ripped turn he’d have at least won the side pot against UTG.

[@adamseidel9780]

@@JohnSmith-nx7zj yeah, I get that, but it's the river call by UTG that makes me really want to rip it, not before that.

[@seankiesling2054]

Yeah.... seems like everyone in the comments is in agreement that this was a slam dunk jam on turn dude... caller if you're reading. You lost a lot of money don't wanna rub salt in the wound so I won't but...next time...jam that turn

[@EfficientRVer]

Not the first or last caller who failed to get the money in with AA when obviously ahead. You couldn't have set the deck up any better (AA vs KK vs QQ, then a safe flop) for him to get a ton of money in good. He simply didn't do it. And then because he was puking over the Q on the river, he didn't even realize that the 50/50 question of which guy had QQ, had changed to 90/10 by the feeble flat call (the 10% being if a nit with a nutted hand just wanted an aftercall or thought you were more likely to blast off than call) Get the money in good, if a 2 outer beats you, a 2 outer beats you. Putting money in after it beats you is the same result but not the same EV or skill level of play. Then just compound it by not taking free money by opening the empty side pot for value. At least minraise the river to get a refund of what you're donating to the BB to make it to showdown. It's not as if you'd be bluffing into an empty side pot, it's more like buying a bit of insurance that you have someone beat. I've been wrong sometimes and the side pot guy took it all down, but overall have had tremendous EV by not losing courage to open a side pot when my chances in the main pot look grim or uncertain.

[@GotoyourhomeBall]

Put it in OTT. We still get action from both, just unlucky.

[@FocusedAndMotivated100]

When UTG player x/r to $350 I’m jamming flop pretty much every time. And putting him on KK or QQ considering his 6x open pre. I mean I doubt this player type 6xs 99. That’s what I’m doing with AA in this spot.

[@sleong]

gotta raise the flop, and 3-bet bigger preflop. He let those queens get there by playing scared

[@sxr700triple9999]

Played this hand like a complete donkey. The whole entire way through this call I knew exactly what was going on and in the end was 100% right. My exact thoughts on that flop were to 3b to 800. Now queens have to go away. And you get to play heads up against kings when he's crushed. Otherwise how does the guy not call and extra 200 bucks on the flop. Getting like almost 6-1. Then you make another mistake and invite him to smoke you again on the turn. And naturally get rivered and call like you couldn't do anything different. Everyone's trying to think up ways to get more money in by slow playing monsters and they always get ran down by the worst of the hands

[@alwayssorry2037]

After BTN calls the 3 bet how can queens get away from this spot if hero all in on the turn?

[@chrisbriggs5878]

super interesting hand

[@alistairwillock7266]

Stopped at 10:51 to put the big blind on 44 or 99 (or possibly an incredibly optimistic 54s). The preflop play indicates someone who _really_ wanted to see a flop with his hand (even though all of those hands should just fold). The turn overcall should always be nutted. Then again, this is live 2/5 - who the F knows what some crazy loose-passive player might turn up with here. Time to see how this bonkers hand plays out...

[@alistairwillock7266]

OMFG. The BB is _soooooooooooooo_ bad. I mean, it was already obvious that he was bad, but Jesus, getting to the river with QQ is next-level terribad.

[@stevenundisclosed6091]

I like a raise on the river. Hero definitely has the UTG beat and there is a nice side pot to be won.

[@Alexander0011]

They play like that in New Jersey. I would of thought that was Texas all day

[@NMxCrazySkills]

Nasty beat. If you think about this hand then the “normal play” or lines aren’t optimal. If you’re saying the guy that raised 6x has Qq or kk then get it in with him on the turn BECAUSE he’s not folding AND you said that you expect the BB to either fold QQ or JJ even if you just call or to have you beat with 99. Therefore, BB money doesn’t change, but you get yourself paid off vs the bigger stack KK every time which then at least allows you to freeroll if the bb does have you beat for only 700. The argument to just call with aces on turn would be if you think the KK player would fold to turn jam (he raised 6x pre he’s not folding lol). Or that the BB will stay in with Qq or JJ if you just flat and that argument as we seen can have some merit because as we see, the bb still did. As played, need to jam river. You’re beat by the bb and you beat the bigger stack. You know he has a big pair which isn’t QQ so jam and hope to get paid off. He will/should fold often, but even if he calls 10% of the time you’re making back $. And he’s going to see a pot of what 5k? 5500? For another 1k with kk…. A lot of fish call knowing their beat. Remember the poker talk on this channel is how to play hands at a high level, but most opponents in live games are not high level.

[@rarepear7914]

Even if u feel beat, which sucks, you're getting 10 to 1 to call on the river...after the flop even if u jam, KK and QQ are gonna call with the over pairs, so inevitability u were gonna lose that hand...rough one, unfortunately the worst hand got lucky and hit a miracle card on the river, ouch😳

[@jaylo9421]

A three bet on a dry flop is always a bluff... not necessarily in today's game but unless you're up against a strong pro, a three bet will look super bluffy on the flop and could get him to puke it up with a 9 or over pairs

[@tonytaranto7886]

I'm raising this guys donk bet... KK is probably gonna rip it in after he doesn't see an A on the flop... I'm almost certain that QQ mucks. Than you have a cooler AA vs KK all in on the flop.

[@HoangTruong-vk7ek]

the bb play this hand more like he had 44 tbh, so nutted he doesn't want to raise at all even though he's short stacked compared to the pot and just jammed in the end in fear of it getting checked through. It's hard to put someone on quads tho, there is exactly one combo of it lol. On the river you only need to fade a J Q or K and you can be certain you had the best.

[@varsitybeerpong]

I’m jamming the flop. UTG has JJ+ and won’t want to fold QQ of KK.

[@MuddyTears]

I always wonder why callers interrupt when Bart is talking with “That’s what I was thinking” Didn’t you call to hear what HE is thinking? Listen Linda

[@charlesnewborn3760]

I didnt even have to listen to the video. 99.9% of the time in a 2/5 game or lower on a rainbow board, UTG NEVER has a 4 when check raising this flop. Ever. Ever. Its always overpair and if not at the very least TOP pair and he's raising to accomplish a couple things - deny equity for hands that are Cbetting flop in position like AK AQ, as well as value vs 1010-QQ (since he has KK). Clearly BB doesn't have a 4 either as he would have taken the opportunity to reraise flop after the check raise goes through. Sad thing is, you MAY go broke if you played hand correctly by jamming turn because you should know exactly where UTG is at. If BB stubborn calls, you lose anyway. But yea this shouldn't have been a nightmare scenario. You turned it into one by forcing yourself to call on the shittiest of rivers.

[@jdcarmona33]

So if you jam the flop you win the hand

[@joemiller95]

The guy raises to 100 pre, which is too big, so he gives the KK a chance to just call, and now he doesn't have as good a sense what he's up against, then he makes one of these idiotic 1/3-ish bets on the flop, because he read Vogue magazine, or heard that solvers said so, or he saw the cool kids doing it, and then the guy raises him a tiny, tiny amount - 200 into 575, which is a pointless raise to go along with his pointless bet and he's completely confused, what that could possibly be about, even though he's the one who made the stupid 1/3-ish bet on the flop, which is like a not-bet, or some kind of blocker bet, so now that his two opponents are with him in a total pot of around 1350, instead of the 930 it would have been if he'd have made a normal size flop bet, and they've gotten there in such small increments that the person with the weakest hand is so short that he's going to see the river, there's been no clear premium to pay at any point, and our guy, the leader every step of the way until the river, all twitchy and confused about what's going on, but he's the reason for that and he doesn't grasp it at all. Now he's lost the lead in the hand, and he actually lets the guy bet 400 and just calls. So this guy is clearly making a blocker sort of bet, and our guy lets the drawing just go on and on, even though we know he's been in the lead every step of the way till now, and still is, but has let the other people control the hand, and not charged them for drawing, and big surprise, the player who was most likely to benefit from drawing actually draws his way to a complete sweep of the hand. If he'd have raised an intelligent amount preflop instead of over the pot then the KK would probably have reraised, giving him a chance to raise again, which would forced the QQ to either pay in advance enough to make his river draw-out unprofitable over time or fold, and it would have likely made everything much more understandable for our guy through the rest of the hand. I would describe this hand as "terror with aces" and I mean starting preflop. Why did our guy raise to 100? Probably because he's afraid. He's afraid of letting people in too cheaply, and so what does he do? Like lots of situation involving fearfulness in life, he lets people in too cheaply, and then he compounds it with his fear every step of the way, until the end when he's actually fully conscious of his fear, but it's too late, and it doesn't matter very much if he calls or not.

[@EuthanizePitbulls]

You obviously have no clue, but I'm not going to do you the favor of tapping the glass...

[@hazemore7192]

7:59 woah pause

[@wackedupYUMYUMS]

Jersey getting some love!

[@adamseidel9780]

This seems like a river jam, no? Edit - * they talked about this literally 4 seconds after I typed this, lol. I was thinking exactly as Bart and the caller were, target UTG’s KK to scoop a side pot in the likelihood BB crushes you. Maybe he doesn’t call, but imo it’s way less likely that BB has you beat than the station flicks in the call. No surprise BB has you beat, though honestly QQ was a surprise.

[@adamseidel9780]

Also this was a gross m’fing result.

[@arvia1984]

I jam the turn personally. But as played I jam the river because UTG is not just flatting with a boat. Just no way. If the caller would have done that, he would have gotten a rebate on the main pot loss as I think the guy with KK calls.

[@PrometheanConsulting]

Don't you think that the only way for UTG to get your money is to flat? If he raises here, you might fold Aces or Kings. But if he looks weak, he might induce you to value own yourself.

[@billpeiman8973]

Question: when all active players are all-in pre-river, does running it once or twice matter?

[@branchtana315]

All it does is lower variance, it doesn't change your equity in the hand. Instead of one full sized pot, you're playing for two half sized pots

[@Gumption34]

Exactly, unless you run it twice after the river.

[@branchtana315]

@@Gumption34 😂

[@aceking5360]

This is AA vs KK vs QQ situation

[@seetherhead09]

Some poker bros shit right here!!

[@EllieBanks333]

This was strange

[@FS536]

This happened to my buddy eric

[@aceking5360]

He’s bluffing or has an overpair

[@jamesinkpen540]

How does both QQ and KK only call the 3 bet preflop? Sounds like a Mickey Mouse game to me

[@Gg-kk1dr]

You obviously haven't played at the botgata. They try and slow play monsters all the time

[@arthurjames9450]

Why BB bets 350 into 4k pot with queens full

[@johnyoung823]

That’s how much he has. He’s all in with that 350.

[@bobross3781]

Borgota obviously isn't TCH ...

[@jake_villanueva]

Weird hand. BB still has an over pair technically.

[@hogi99]

There's no point in keeping them in the pot and not actively building the pot while charging then something to see their equity. If they have overpairs then you want all the money in asap. If both players call when you put them all-in you would have won a side pot at least.

[@JConboy87]

Hero should shove turn and shove river as played

[@RaulGroom]

So tilting to lose to people who play this badly.

[@hogi99]

I don't understand not 3 betting the flop and not jamming the turn. Passively played, that's what happens.

[@KyprosEc]

I would have jammed River because I feel I have flat caller beat. At least win side pot

[@thaThRONe]

IMO the caller misplays this pot badly after the preflop 3 bet. Why c bet so low into a multiway pot? It's hard to put anybody on K's with there being no 4 bet preflop. So with a bet call and a 100 cold more than likely you're looking at the top of two players range being something like Q's, J's, 10's, AKs/o and KQs. Pairs Q's to 10's aren't going anywhere to a 3/4 pot bet and AKs/o or KQs will more than likely fold out even for a his small sizing on the cbet. Why not bet larger to tax other over pairs? He did the worse thing possible playing passive and ultimately pricing himself in on the river even when such a terrible card peels off.

[@gabrielrockman]

I'm a bit surprised that you think that pocket kings is never 4 betting preflop after the BB cold calls the 3 bet.

[@AT-bw4cm]

That's what I was thinking. A couple of stations. I would have 4 bet QQ in the sb and folded to the five bet.

[@mrx7181]

I like big sizing on the flop too. Aces has good blocking/unblocking properties to size up, like Bart says. With kings I would always go 75% pot in this spot unblocking all the AQ-ATs with back doors that can call as well as all the 66-QQ.

[@ScottEdwards2000]

Is this related to barts comment on the flop about opposite suits? I didn't follow that at all if you don't mind helping me out here. Thanks

[@mrx7181]

@@ScottEdwards2000 Bart was just saying A4 suited is is impossible

[@ScottEdwards2000]

@@mrx7181 ahh ha!! Thanks. Now I get it!

[@saltwaterfisher1]

Jam on the flop, easy. You cant let aces just run down and keep calling. Its all in on the flop for me. If they call, cool. If they fold, cool. Not giving them good prices to catch up ever.

[@alexanderszabo1629]

all in on turn for me but yeah makes sense.

[@moneymikz]

Worst hand always wins a three-way pot, Poker is stupid. Last time I was in this scenario except instead of queens guy had pocket 3s and decided to call for some reason when my Aces in BB went to war with Kings UTG, so of course he gets rewarded with a river 3…poker is fucking stupid

[@mattstieg5388]

So many weak players overvalue high pockets and assume theyre best bec "what are the odds", or worse, "its not fair"!! 😬

[@jaylo9421]

Not enough info. Was anyone in the hand being all loosey goosey, eating a sandwich?

[@kineahora8736]

I think-3-bet the flop. This type of player is gonna snap call KK and probably will call off JJ or QQ, whereas the turn could bring something scary for him… With the BB calling *again* im thinking top boat… he really shouldn’t have 54s for $100 pre-flop On the river: with that action you are hardly ever good. But it’s just so cheap….

[@greatwhite3676]

So they guy only raised twice in 3 hours but hes gonna check raise a non nutted hand in a three bet pot? Ok. Was he wearing a mask too?

[@MattyOh78]

jam every turn imo

[@johnphillips669]

How the hell is this a "nightmare hand". This is a dream runout, get the money in if you're beat you are beat.

[@lloydchristmas1086]

because he lost? lol

[@everythingallin4905]

Pokin ain't easy

[@emilecarette8993]

Sizing preflop is wayyyy too small !!!! You are deep and vilain has jj+ !!!!

[@andreassilver6281]

Strange hand, none of it makes sense really. You should be betting larger on the flop and getting it on the turn, if someone has 9's there or a miracle 4 then fine. As you didn't do that you should be jamming river also. Very unlikely someone has a 4 as you block both the Ace 4 suited, he may have 54suited that's it.

[@Stockholm_Syndrome]

Another bad beat story. Nothing to see here. Move on.

[@martinedwards4522]

😴😴😴

[@charliesullivan8436]

First to act!