NIGMA vs AZURE RAY - GROUP STAGE - CLAVISION SNOW RUYI 2024 DOTA 2

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NIGMA vs AZURE RAY - GROUP STAGE - CLAVISION SNOW RUYI 2024 DOTA 2

[@bennbeckman1372]

NO NEED SPOILER BLOCK! Its Nigma without Kuroky u guys know who already won 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣

[@mosio2789]

But they won against xtreme

[@bunchapanittisiri5148]

❤❤❤❤❤ i love this comment

[@ivanaleksandartsanev1693]

Bro, Onejay is amazing. He plays Rubick and Weaver so well. Kuroky should just retire, it's been 3 years since he has been very bad.

[@oliviatrinity602]

Shut Up

[@00Hundert]

I thought you were lying lol

[@tylim88]

sumail and gh: "so this is what winning feel like..."

[@bggjjhljk]

sumail won the TI lmao . he knows how to win. tho i admit it's been a while. he's been cursed with shit teammates

[@polomax2326]

@@bggjjhljk guess what. nigma players also won TI. what are you talking about

[@himking0]

That's what happens when they get stucked with 2 washed up players. They should stick with OneJey & Ghost.

[@bggjjhljk]

@@polomax2326 yea... they did... did you not read the original post ?

[@Test-mq8ih]

Your statement of the player won TI before was really weak, they literally can't qualified to any single tier 1 tournament except when they got invited for the views like this current tournament, the op wasn't wrong when they said the players experienced more loss than actual win for two years already​@@bggjjhljk

[@gabrielyip6898]

Nigma: No Kuro = Sky Rocket With Kuro = Snowball

[@heilZu77]

No kuro yes party

[@Zer-us4wq]

No wonder they played so smooth, rubick doing god's work

[@s0yInter]

?

[@rangerman3912]

+ miracle = win

[@tee_swag]

NO MIRACLUL AS WELL, SURE WIN. NO MORE 4 PROTECT GARBAGE 1

[@andrewmachief8637]

LOOK HOW MUCH WORK THIS POS 5 WAS DOING ON NIGMA, KURO WAS SUCH A CRIPPLE FOR SO LONG

[@himking0]

Also pos1

[@tee_swag]

POS 1 AS WELL, NOT THAT CLUELESS OVERRATED PLAYER WHO GOT SAVED BY MATU IN MID

[@haziq12ish]

One jay is a top tier suport Even with sumail yesterday their combo was insane

[@mors2361]

Tbh without Kuroky, they might get a chance on TI. They are literally beating some CN powerhouses.

[@robertwadsley5991]

they've already failed to qualify for TI lol

[@roxnexgen5264]

Since when did azure ray became a powerhouse? And mind you extreme gaming are inconsistent ever since their loss against spirit in pgl wallachia. I'm not discrediting this new line up, I hope they achieve more but they still haven't achieved anything for you to say they might have a chance on ti lol

[@zainabedin7904]

True only mon-keys will disagree with you but sadly they couldn't qualify for TI.

[@smoothknyte]

@@roxnexgen5264 I mean to be fair, they did qualify it with "CN" before "powerhouses". I mean I don't believe China has anything better to offer right now, these are the two best teams for that region. TI dreams are done for this year, but yah its more one step at a time. It's not going to be an overnight change. WEU is still very fierce. But this is a good way to build up some team chem if these players are permanent.

[@kormankongther8609]

​He didn't say this year, next year if without kuro might have a chance to qualify for TI

[@zulhaimizoule1937]

Onejey shows in just 2 matches what Kuro failed to do in 4 years.

[@spritesprite2720]

Is onejey there drafter bro? They look so strong. They 2-0 chinese teams already

[@sammm141]

@@spritesprite2720 Sumail is drafting

[@himking0]

Ghost as well. They better stick with him instead of Miracle

[@zulhaimizoule1937]

@@himking0 Not sure about that. Since they lack a “true” Hard Support no carry can thrive in this team. Back then when they have ATF as carry, they made him look exactly like Miracle now.

[@LALAlala-nq3ws]

@@himking0the blames on kuro, miracle wasnt playing with this team last yr and they achieve same result. Common denominator with his outdated drafts

[@kablogs-zu4nk]

This is now 5vs5. With kuroky 4vs5! Thank you kuro! This team looks promising now!

[@justinv.9209]

with heavy players like miracle and kuro, its more 3v5, with 2 roster changes. this is the Nigma perfect 5* team

[@sachdevjalen]

Sumail man, still owning all midlaners.

[@spellburn]

no kuroky draft? no kuro gameplay? amazing! bring back miracle and go win the world

[@ameliacortez4510]

Kuro MVP again these series for not being apart of it 😂

[@spooky4320]

reminds me of this one tournament Nigma won , while Kuroky was away, and when he came back they insta lost again lmao

[@kormankongther8609]

I hope they get Onejay to replace kuro. Miracle doesn't need washed up support. he needs the real support. I still rmb Kuro always dazed out all the game bruh.

[@chacharbelrbel5276]

They didn't invite Nigma .. they invited GH FBZ and Sumail .. They invited 60% of the original Team 😅😅

[@rontorres6822]

Ghost was an ex-nigma so hes somehow part of the team.

[@humilitation49]

i prefer this team than the original

[@chacharbelrbel5276]

@humilitation49 Well, if they keep this pos 5 and kuroky retires, they should be good .. ghost is pretty good, but he ain't better than Miracle

[@zainabedin7904]

​@@chacharbelrbel5276GH is playing POS 5 and onejay is playing POS 4. Second stop riding miralul Ghost is playing better than him now.

[@finkosony]

This is not nigma, this is sigma

[@mochalatte5911]

Now sumail, fbz and gh be like: "yes...YESSS THIS IS WHAT WE ALWAYS WANTED"

[@alfianeka8884]

mc?

[@justinmarcouxdominguez8596]

@@alfianeka8884 MneCey

[@mochalatte5911]

@@alfianeka8884 ah shet my brain stopped updated

[@hafiznuman7073]

Bloody hell, am i in the alternative universe? Yesterday xtreme, today Azure Ray. Fans were right about kuro. 😂

[@untalswoopie]

The problem was always kky

[@johneric-xj6ek]

FBZ and sumail Chemistry is getting stronger and stronger , and scary at the same time

[@jgshanth]

fuck im happy for sumail and gh man, they are getting to win!

[@ar.d]

the problem whitout kuro is... pos 5 usefullllll...GG

[@exuperioama4181]

Onejay has a huge impact, he's good. while kuroky, who is 2k mmr Turbo Grandmaster is a fucking garbage support and a captain 😂

[@mindyourmanda]

Most of the casuals thinking that it was just Kky not being there that's making Nigma played better without realizing that OneJey is like one of the top up and coming young players MMR and skill-wise. GH on pos 5 is also good. He actually looks more comfortable in that role recently.

[@rodrigorubio8545]

Great point! people just like shitting on Kuro and miracle to follow a trend, kuro has been and issue for a long time, when miracle came back, sumail and him were carrying most games but the overall callouts were missshots, and most likely, Kuro as the captain, was the one making them.

[@adit4442]

So you admit that kuro skill is behind new player?😂

[@andrewmachief8637]

You want to be edgy commenting this but go look at a few series back when he played warlock and you’ll understand he is beyond washed up, this isn’t TI7 anymore

[@shivanguard37]

Most of the casuals also think that it's just Kuro being the problem when it's both him & Miracle dragging the team down

[@tee_swag]

@@andrewmachief8637 CAN SAY THE SAME WTH MIRACLUL, AINT 2017 NO MORE WHERE MATU PLAYS MID WHEN THE COWARD MIRACUL IS AFRAID TO PLAY

[@TronKyLam]

2017: Kuro brought a whole team together, manage a TI. 2024: Kuro brought a whole new team together, manage a big win, thanks to him not being a part of it. Sad story tho.

[@gnq_k]

THE BLUETOOTH DEVICE IS CONNECTED SUCCESSFULLY 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣

[@P0rT3DliIel]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@bzibubabbzibubab420]

where i want to hear that 🤣

[@imnewbie4470]

MVP Kuroky

[@mariocukusic4998]

We need this girl out I hate it

[@DanielCastillo-df1dd]

nigma looked like a tier 1 team when having China carry and support stand in

[@kormankongther8609]

Ghost is Malaysian

[@DanielCastillo-df1dd]

@@kormankongther8609 yeah he's Malaysian but he played a Chinese team as carry

[@gnolihz]

it's not because china carry and support, but they play without the burden. even with best players like ATF, they still couldn't win

[@mintm13]

John's back almost broke from carrying the other casters jeez

[@lestermallari6680]

thank you standin to make reliaze kuro is the real problem :)

[@Hajang538]

What a beautiful day without kuroky

[@scorn9018]

Ghost might have carried the game but John carried the series.

[@YantoWest]

Respect

[@fabianpino4910]

Please nigma sign OneJay 🙏

[@mohamadamirulabdlah6089]

85% people in comment section talking about kuroky 😂😂

[@voxstrings7177]

thanks kuro for not playing :D

[@jayceemojica5615]

That is the result if there's no Kuro in the team 😂

[@hood4364]

You forgot no Miracle, but genius from him for leaving along kuroky

[@tee_swag]

AND MIRACLUL

[@EddieTay-jo5he]

Kuro carrying so hard these games.

[@yoyobful]

Ghost is a monster carry. Has been since he was on XG. Please do yourself a favor Nigma and put this man on the main roster

[@1dhruvkumar]

someone teach this woman to talk....

[@hansmeily7390]

No kuro = automatic win

[@Robert-ih5ri]

Kuroky MVP for not playing!

[@nguyenthehien2149]

Barely recognize this Nigma without Kky and Miracle

[@scionaku5662]

Ghost actually played really better. Miracle is farming heavy carry. When he is in the team, SumaiL don't get his farm properly. And this Onejay guy played beautifully. I am sick and tired of watching Kuroky's Chen, Enchantress. Their 2nd game draft was also really good, 5 stunners. Imagine if this line up had offlane Mind_Control. Really miss MC ngl.

[@adeksimabue3737]

Ngl fbz quite good in lane but the play maker mc is better

[@kormankongther8609]

Kuro is playing with his ego, cuz he want to prove his chen and enchantress skill are btr than puppey.

[@Test-mq8ih]

To be fair Chen is pretty strong in this meta as long you don't give enemy hard counter to Chen, or did you forget just now many times Chen draft won matches in Riyadh Master? It's not about Chen or Enchantress, it was simply Nigma with Kuroky had bad teamplay overall, don't blame the heroes buddy

[@scionaku5662]

@@Test-mq8ih Oh I am blaming Kuroky's Chen and Enchantress. Not the heroes. Fk Kuroky, Old fart. (Kidding)

[@emotivowinz9211]

11:14 liquid vs boom 😂

[@firsttolast563]

How fking trash is kuro that his team suddenly tier 1 without him.

[@ivanaleksandartsanev1693]

Him and Rmn are pub level players, Divine rank at best. They are not good enough to play against big pro players now.

[@shivanguard37]

​@@ivanaleksandartsanev1693dude just brought up rmn so he can defend Miracle losing without kuro. The cope is real 😂

[@ivanaleksandartsanev1693]

@@shivanguard37 Cry more, femboy.

[@tee_swag]

YOU FORGOT THEIR TIER 2.5 CARRY IN MIRACLUL, DON'T FORGET THAT WASHED UP PLAYER

[@shivanguard37]

​@@ivanaleksandartsanev1693said by the guy who rides Miracle's meat 😂

[@hoohsowner697]

Is it possible for kuroky to just not back to nigma permanently?? I mean for the best of nigma, at least it will be part of kuro's contribution to the team by not joining 😂😂😂😂

[@kormankongther8609]

If the team agrees, well, is possible. Their team manager too. I still rmb Kuro keeps dazed out in all games, do nothing then died

[@akauda4412]

thanks kuro, u are mvp for this. keep doing this, being not participate😊

[@Uptoyouthen]

No kuroky and miracle Kuroky, no doubt every think he is the problem But miracle? As much as i love miracle. His skill start downhill when he become sick for unknowns reason

[@rexcudiamat4854]

every iteration of nigma there is a known constant, and its kuro. anmar sucks with kuro, sumail, ghost etc. miracle is still a top carry but how can u carry a team with a pos 5 who misplays so much?

[@sabii8571]

@@rexcudiamat4854 how can you say he is still a top carry when he constantly do some weird move and missplay. He is not the same like many years ago, hard truth to admit but here it is.

[@EthanNguyen-m5d]

@@sabii8571he is not top3 like when he was at his prime but now he is still top 10-15 carries for sure. And the gap betweens those are as small as it gets. Kuro for sure the main cause

[@98-carlmarkmarak22]

@@sabii8571 well he did well as a standin for SR

[@himking0]

​@@98-carlmarkmarak22he played well as a midlaner, not carry

[@haziq12ish]

Sumail really is top tier

[@haziq12ish]

One jay is insane since yesterday

[@seng6552]

No kuro.. Nigma is better.

[@slendfreddy709]

no miracle either

[@Mc_Era]

@@slendfreddy709 I bet if they change ghost with miracle they will still cause draft was always the problem. You see SK when kuro was drafting? Rubick?... It all makes sense now

[@himking0]

Both Kuro & Miracle more like

[@supac322]

I do asking the similar question to johnxfire. Why they invite nigma without Kuroky? How it will be funny? Nigma without Kuroky look like a solid team right now crushing XG then AR 😂

[@puppey5269]

Nigma without Kuroky

[@leiliantaria4469]

Bro, im freaked out a little hearing a girl voice out of nowhere. I getting out of my room just to make sure im alone in my house

[@kormankongther8609]

I just can't stop thinking Kuro always dazed out in the game. Which is causing them losing the game. Meanwhile ppl still wanna say is Miracle's problem 😢

[@eversonllanzana5963]

Kuroky: There's a starman waiting in the sky.. Thanks kuro!

[@Mc_Era]

I can hear the song xD

[@kingseiryu929]

Nigma giveth hope, nigma taketh hope. Lets watch till the end, brothers before we make any conclusive verdict

[@SreeSiddharthBadugu]

I will tell you why nigma is winning. With Kuro not playing, Nigma pos 5 hero pool opened up and a lot of drafting strategies. And Kuro, maybe because Nigma had been carrying him, once gone, their skill set is at peak, because they have been playing 4 v 5.

[@khai999]

omg this nigma improved really fast and well organized 😭

[@NoelIssac]

dont worry/.. kuro will be back soon...

[@kentsky3680]

​@@NoelIssac😂😂😂

[@tee_swag]

WITHOUT THEIR TWO NOOBS, THEY WON? LMAO

[@InstaTreePiptee]

Ghost is still such a good carry. Very good fit for Nigma too.

[@BERNARDakaCONAN]

Nigma without Kuroky, everything run smooth

[@Pablo-om8cj]

Nigma without Kuroky= Tier 1 team LMAO. Even with Ghost instead of Miracle

[@kormankongther8609]

They both can do it without Kuro. As long their support is not kuro. 🤣

[@drainbead99]

Lol no tide & ta ? Where is kuroky with his sick drafts?

[@cocorambo9587]

Kuro ty for leaving, but why take miracle with you? I'm hoping miracle will find another team, kuro can retire

[@DZonAv]

that woman commentator was useless af bro why did she even there in the first place, she just like "wow" every clash instead of explaining.

[@ToobeeTV]

She is the obs

[@ReiEternal-u8o]

Cuz its a highlight she talks more in live 😂

[@DZonAv]

@@ToobeeTV so shes the one who streamed but not the actual commentator?

[@DZonAv]

@@ReiEternal-u8o though she just there for nothing 💀

[@RISE_BEFORE_YOU_GREECE]

Man.. Idk Its She Or He,, But Trying To Participate How My I See Comments Annoying Like This You Cant Deal With It ? Then Go Watch From Official Stream

[@ragdoll7886]

Nigma without miralul = win

[@edwardwidjaja1081]

it was never miracle's fault, in every game he was always the one with the most farm even when the game was trash he was always full stacked in item, it was kuro's shit picks that never go with the new meta that makes miracle play with a back braking team.

[@zainabedin7904]

@@edwardwidjaja1081 Ohh please.

[@delyakek2719]

Without Kuro. Miracle every game is god

[@hood4364]

He was always very mediocre, i dont remember one time where miracle got 10k networth at minute

[@dimassatria837]

Yeahh sure

[@BlackMasterones]

Omg fbz soo good ❤

[@urekmazino5125]

at this point just give the ti trophy to nigma guys. no doubt

[@meatorfeed9051]

How to win the top 5 team? Kuro out of the team

[@justinmarcouxdominguez8596]

Ngx winning + Kuro not playing = we fans happy. Miracle comeback. Go pos 1.1 buddy we miss you

[@nandakumarchandrasekhar6964]

GH god.. Gh clearly stands for God Helps! best support hands down!

[@tnhan6380]

Without Ku-Rocky, Nigma looks strong.

[@crazycab1283]

Can mayuuu get out I hate hearing her

[@widialpiansyah1777]

love current team nigma

[@beblessed1030]

mayuu mic quality is terrible

[@suba1030]

she sounds like A.I lol

[@xijingpooh5879]

it's her voice not the mic.

[@akosiobeca490]

Kuroky this is the sign. Please

[@RedRanchu]

Nigma w Kuro: Dogs Nigma w/o Kuro: Gods

[@MohShofiyulHakim]

please someone turn off mayu's mic

[@bjs4166]

dark system on nigma = rmn & kuroky. now they are gone

[@TaeNyFan]

China Dota is done. The best 2 teams in CN are getting rekted by Nigma.

[@deniang2464]

Very easy to counter ngx just bring kuromancer back 🗿

[@shivanguard37]

With Kuro & Miracle on their team, they will get easily demolished lol

[@user-ms4fv7cd7d]

Kuro was the problem. I hope he realizes now

[@Rickendx21]

morpling so pasive ulti.. but its okay coz they play so well to cover eacch other.. and the problem absolutly is 'CAPITAN' Mr. Kuroky

[@chuuuckyyy]

WHO TF IS THE OTHWR COMMENTATOR SHE IS ANNOYING IN A MAFAKAAAA

[@eLAhOLic]

Fucking annoying bitch! None sense when shes speaking

[@urekmazino5125]

isnt she the owner of something.. someone prominent in this tournament.. i swear we hated on her last year too

[@xicheeal]

18:55 teamfight buybacks are always epic

[@Hasanriyahi]

ngx looks dangerous ngl , looking forward for their games tomorrow

[@x_8840]

This mayuu most probably voice changer lmao

[@Sabunmon69]

Dude have beard with anime lolicon visual 😂

[@Marvin-nh8dr]

​@@Sabunmon69do u even know what is a lolicon lol

[@Sabunmon69]

@@Marvin-nh8dr I was trapped by my friend to watch loli anime😂

[@evileul]

Wtf was geht denn da ohne Miracel und kuro, aufeinmal macht es wieder Spaß nigma Spiele zu gucken zum ersten Mal seit 3 Jahren xD

[@Tdrnker]

does german people play doto?

[@evileul]

@@Tdrnker ja doch, ich habe gehört es soll ein paar geben 😁.

[@ninth_ix]

this is 180° changed....after many comments from all people finally they hear us....nigma have more future if kuro is not in the team hahaha...we can see sumail real potential the new lineup is GG i hope this is permanent line up

[@elricworld]

Now we know who is the BURDEN in NIGMA, HAHAHA

[@himking0]

Kuro & Miracle.. we already know that even before

[@tee_swag]

YOU MEAN WHO ARE? PRETTY SURE YOU WANT TO EXCLUDE MIRACLUL LMAO

[@kormankongther8609]

Mostly kuro XD. I still rmb kuro always dazed out in all games, doesn't do shit then die

[@gorguts6667]

glad nigma is experimenting with new players. sumail and gh looking good as always

[@Manlrp]

That snap fire cookie to chain stun troll so he can't ult

[@luk.ragawilah]

I imagine team star fan now rejoicing. Holy moly

[@abdelaziz651]

Second draft from AR looks like my 2k pubs xD

[@sirgb06]

damn this ngx feels so strong.

[@ezrabadilla8766]

Thnks kurokoy

[@sunzaza112]

No kuroky Nigma will win WTF

[@tee_swag]

NO MIRACLUL AS WELL, EZ WIN

[@nicholasgregory6119]

no kuro = win

[@wrathoflichking9603]

Miracle and Kuroky are the problem?

[@weplay8896]

Just kuro :D

[@wrathoflichking9603]

@@weplay8896 why? Even when RMN standin, they were still very bad!!!

[@delyakek2719]

@@wrathoflichking9603 But Miracle is always good. I think need Kuro on coach, miracle instead ghost and it is will be team of dream

[@hoohsowner697]

Miracle is not the problem, the problem is thee one that keep calling the shots and screw up the whole team :)

[@ivanaleksandartsanev1693]

​@@wrathoflichking9603 Because RMN is just as bad as Kuroky. They are both Ancient or Divine players at best, they can't handle the pro level. Remind me where has Rmn even played before and what he won? Onejey is a young player that is top 10 or 20 MMR in the world, the difference in ability is like from Crusader to Ancient.

[@marcherano9167]

11:15 what team liquid XD

[@bendanglcr17]

Where tf is this girl voice coming from time to time