NIGMA vs LIQUID - PLAYOFFS ELIMINATION - ESL ONE GERMANY 2020 DOTA 2

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NIGMA vs LIQUID - PLAYOFFS ELIMINATION - ESL ONE GERMANY 2020 DOTA 2

[@kevinbekins1723]

miracle drop item in liquid base, liquid drop miracle from tournament.

[@Bagixxx1]

Is that looser bracket

[@extraordinaryperson5556]

savage moment lvl 100 lol

[@Vebian]

OOF

[@EditbyMe-mz4yb]

@@Bagixxx1 they been oust already

[@marcherano9167]

When

[@g1kluang]

Now you know how Matumbaman felt when he needs to cover all spaces for Miracul

[@Aina_is_back]

you can see how bad mc play bro...its not about miracle at all

[@ChristianAaron832]

@@Aina_is_back it is they gave him tons of space and still lose their strat is 4=1 strat and its suck in this new meta

[@piusbutarbutar1782]

@@Aina_is_back liquid strat is always 4-1, its always been like that since matumbaman days

[@santilanaknows5308]

@@ChristianAaron832 I bet your super noob bro. Liquid outdrafted nigma in game 3 that's why they lost.

[@Aina_is_back]

@@ChristianAaron832 oh I see...no wonder why Nigma always lose with low tier team..Btw, in my observation, any match, if MC play well, higher net, not feed, Nigma sure win.

[@marcherano9167]

Taiga’s earth spirit is no joke

[@Zoomscoping]

Mid Snap is my new favorite thing to watch

[@Kozymeisteryt]

true

[@cekoforbidden9317]

He is the mvp of 3rd

[@rexd1624]

reasons losers.

[@Jolkerable]

Eat this Nigma. Lol. Got fucked again 😂

[@ryedai8778]

Yes! It's interesting and exciting

[@evancoolkid2798]

this is the true definition of "work hard until your idols becomes ur rivals"

[@gabrielyip6898]

The problems of Nigma: Blindly stuck at 4 protect 1 strat. Limited hero pools either repeating drafts or heros. Overly rely on miracle. Inconsistent performances for MC or GH, given that they have some crazy plays somehow but unstable. W33 as mid but kinda forced to play as support or space creator. If they don't improve, they become that na'vi like few years ago.

[@M1dKnight1am]

They already are, they just dont know about it.

[@LordArrack1]

That Phoenix had a very high networth for a support! *Laughs in MATUMBAMAN*

[@dotoplayer8393]

No amazing game or incredible means Nigma lost

[@judgebao]

19:04 why would they draft Night Stalker + Phoenix? Phoenix will cancel Night time. Bad drafting

[@cal8338]

After 4 years playing I just know that Phoenix Egg instantly makes the map in day timezone 😭

[@ferryfabi]

nigma never type "gg" when its already lose lol

[@m.h.4907]

Game 3 was one of the best draft executions I have seen. So satisfying to watch these plays

[@Vebian]

is miracle the new EE sama?

[@extraordinaryperson5556]

agreed

[@cikgusengih]

You knew nigma lost the game by looking at the title. Ez tips

[@laughingskyfield5824]

Nigma deserved to lose this series and ultimately this tournament. What was that disrespect picking phoenix mid. And of all people, you had to give w33 that phoenix hero. I think w33 is literally one of the worst mid players when it comes to playing new heroes. He is already 50/50 with his comfort heroes to begin with, but then you give him fucking phoenix mid

[@xhukadritan7118]

I thin GH could do it better

[@jeremybudi1748]

Couldnt agree more. Nigma's draft is actually questionable at this point.

[@alexandrupopa9013]

W33 can play so well with comfort heroes....but there it comes phoenix bad choice ...they should let him play what he liks

[@videoscorvel]

Nigma keeps this 4 protect 1 shit like they are a chinese team from 2013.

[@xKiimJ]

why is the part where miracle dropped his items at the end of game 1 not in this highlights? karma hits hard like a b*tch. game 1 owning = drop items, game 2 & 3 = items are precious OMEGAKEKW

[@rocktypemagikawp788]

he want to pick it up on game 2n3 whahaha

[@saiyansuper8020]

This channel really like to remove anything bad about miracle lol. I already knew before watching the video that noobformua would take at that part out.

[@xKiimJ]

@@saiyansuper8020 ikr imagine dropping items when u won game 1 and get knocked out of the tournament afterwards feelsbadman

[@saiyansuper8020]

@@xKiimJ That's karma for not showing any respect to your opponent. Its ok to be confident but over confidence and disrespect will always lead to your own downfall. Even gh was pinging like crazy when miracle did that.

[@ChristianAaron832]

@@saiyansuper8020 that is why for me gh is the only decent player at this team i feel sorry for him gh is consistent and tier 1 support player got wasted by this team shaneee

[@white_ronnie7416]

who are we? "nigma fansgay" what we do? "blame entire team except miraclul" PepeLaugh

[@nikosthanopoulossarlis2919]

You mean blame W33.

[@white_ronnie7416]

@@nikosthanopoulossarlis2919 in other game when MC not playing well got blame too

[@solomonthegreat290]

I can't believe Liquid is having a hard time defeating Nigma, LMAO I mean everyone can easily defeat Nigma on these days now

[@didiwibowo775]

When you can't be good, just be Unique. This draft:

[@tattfeiho172]

This video is enough to proof that Nigma is becoming the old Team DK. 1 man carry game

[@randisanjayapriyanto2987]

Like usual, Taiga always be a big match player, in game 2, his Earth Spirit plays important role.. The most unpredicted is micke's game 3 : Snapfire.. Finally he has world class playing with unpredicted pick.. Snapfire carry.. Very classy like first tier carry.. Keep it up, micke..

[@equesdominus9869]

Almost 1M subs, love your videos man, thanks.

[@akosiobeca490]

W33ha hurts my eyes so much

[@tuvshinjargalganzorig1354]

These days, Nigma never say GG after their defeat.

[@israel7678]

I'm not a diehard fan but man, I miss the matu,miracle,mc,gh,kuro lineup :/

[@poisetii]

im happy for matu, nigma doesnt deserve matu

[@iguhyuridza6997]

Watch -> Nigma lose -> click like button

[@dhivaalthaf3478]

night stalker ult + phoenix ult = bad idea

[@dreamyfragrance]

Of course Liquid win, TI9 Finalist vs Small Team

[@purple0-12]

How to win against nigma - just ban void lmao

[@ethribin4188]

Nigmas problem is and always has been abput finding their strategy. They have top players, and huge potentual. But they struggle more then any other team in finding their success strategies!

[@CurrentlyOffliner]

ok 4 p1 works but not everytime does Nigma have nothing else ? W33 is a capable player why he always plays playmaker/space creator and they all rely on Miracle. Even their drafts are repetitive and Miracle is always win condition. Well its easy for other teams to take counter measures when its same thing always.

[@RedRanchu]

It isnt Nigma's choice to go 4 protect 1. Its just that w33 cant produce a consistent early game enough to be on par with other cores come late game. He needs to be replaced with Sumail, too inconsistent. Tough call for Kuro

[@solomonthegreat290]

LMAO Season 1: "MATUMBAMAN is the problem" Season 2: "Kick w33" Season 3: "SumaiL sucks"

[@RedRanchu]

@@solomonthegreat290 The last time Nigma or Ex-Liquid shuffled they placed 2nd at TI. Even Secret went through many players. Mbe start thinking bro?

[@m.h.4907]

@@solomonthegreat290 true, they don't understand that you don't have the space in a high MMR game to farm 2 heroes the same time. If ppl would watch these games closely, they would recognise there is only one greedy core which needs to hit Creeps and the other is a space creater/early fighter and experience dependent. That's how high MMR dota is played. You can't farm 3 Cores 45 minutes straight because no one visits the site of your map like in a 3k game

[@bagongnilalang9865]

New liquid defeat old liquid

[@nejisemprine]

didnt even know w33 was playing lmao

[@muhammadhabibnurain2298]

Is it just me or the only hero Miracle pick and win is just Faceless Void these days?

[@rishabtripathy3931]

As a nigma fan I feel he is washed up now.

[@solomonthegreat290]

He's the new Dendi, a different kind of Dendi

[@zulfialhakim6651]

@@rishabtripathy3931 he is still great bro. the team need a new strats. 4 protect 1 is washed up.

[@muhammadhabibnurain2298]

@@zulfialhakim6651 This I agree. Nigma need new strats.

[@nara8989]

This comment section full with nigma fans and haters. Not one praised liquid play. Sad. Can't yall see Liquid play really good here

[@le3112]

ez. cause no legend in those team

[@kaeda4854]

Some of them still insult New Liquid as Fake Liquid, damn that's so cold.

[@nara8989]

Its sad man. No one appreciate good gameplay no more

[@tungnse]

@@nara8989 being sad over a video game?l mao gamers

[@Raiskyl_1453]

boxi at game 3 totally on fire

[@marci1755]

Wish Nigma had a LD player. Oh wait!!

[@doctorxerxes]

Micke 725 gpm.. 18-2-15 on Snapfire in game 3. Masterclass !

[@engkumarwan1876]

Pheonix mid? 4 melee heroes against qjovya lone druid? never learn aren't they? Now no one gonna stop 3-0 sweep win again by Secret in grandfinal.

[@augustmadexq2886]

Ikr?? The only team that had a chance🤣🤣🤣

[@Snow-ze4xp]

@@augustmadexq2886 、not the only team, Remember Nigma get 3-0 ed by Secret too. and Secret usually lose 1 game in their first Playoffs, Secret get 2-1 by VP.P too, then Secret 3-0 ed VP.P.

[@jesserramsessoller990]

@@Snow-ze4xp Well Nigma defeated secret in Madmoon.

[@Snow-ze4xp]

@@jesserramsessoller990 、Liquid beat Secret in weplay! pushka & beyond epic, Alliance beat Secret esl one birmingham, OG have beat secret too. so what's your point ?

[@Snow-ze4xp]

@@jesserramsessoller990 、did you think the only team that can beat Secret is Nigma ?

[@yuugaming08]

This is why Matu was the best player to ever pair with Miracle. Cause when shit didnt go their way, Matu can go safe and Miracle can mid without them worrying Matu can be outfarmed by oppositions safelane. Wee is a good player but i dont think they can swap roles with Miracle. And Nigma doesnt learn that 4 protevts 1 doesnt work shit anymore, just shutdown that 1 and the other 4 will be already useless as well.

[@alikamali4174]

Dude its the game like what choice do you have when enemy is 4k ahead at 10 minute mark?the most viable choice in such senario is 4 protect 1 making a tri core is so hard in such games Its not like they are in love with 4 protect 1 but rather forced

[@yuugaming08]

@@alikamali4174 look at the line ups. Its 4 protects1 my dude. How can you explain a mid phx and pos5 magnus? Magnus was use to support him thinking he could outfarm LD. So what liquid did? Shutdown sven early and basically the game is done.

[@scheissegaming4401]

@@alikamali4174 even if they are not force they still forcing 4 protect 1 every single game 😂😂🤣

[@ezalace]

Ahhaha dude after they win ti with matu they alwys lose with matu hahhaaha and people also blmae matu only can play green hero hahaha.. W33 come to liquid they get 2nd in ti after that they lose likr shit... The problem is they strategi is so bad 4p1 is ez to counter can they play like secret they sure be a good team.. W33 play hero that can get farm and not just to cr8 space for miracle.. So w33 and miracle can carry the game together... See how matu and secret if matu fail nisha was thry if nisha fail matu was they play like old time where mid also a core that nid farm and can carry for late game..

[@arts4976]

bro, just move on. matu + miracle era have end. i do saw matu doing good, thats why the are ti7 winner but some team just need new hero pool and playstyle to keep their performance but it is also a risk. at least they won some tournament and got 2nd ti9

[@DK-eg8mq]

I'm very impressed with phoenix positioning the egg xD

[@sergiobazan1095]

NoobfromUA cryng while editing ligma getting rekt

[@barongasher4385]

Lmfao

[@jesserramsessoller990]

Lol

[@chinmay996]

If miracle gets kicked nigma will become a tier 1 team. 100% sure miracle will always be the problem in whichever team he plays.

[@ethribin4188]

I wouldnt agree. The problem is the Miracle syndrome. Or the "get Miracle fed and we win" reflex that has returned to every team Miracle was part of over and over, ever since Miracle won his first TI. Its not that Miracle is bad. Hes quite good. Though I fully agree hes not the best. Mainly because hes by no means consistant. Then again, that inconsistancy is what leads him to do the plays hes famous for. Question always ends up being though,how many fails does he need till he gets that amazo play.... No. Ngmas problem isnt Miracle. It is and always has been about finding their strategy. They have top players, and huge potentual. But they struggle more then any other team in finding their success strategies!

[@elmerofun6669]

@@ethribin4188 they can't change strategy because like matu said: selfish miracle only want to shine. Imagine be outfarmed by w33 if he let him farm too. That could be heart attack for miracle

[@anthonydollyo]

miracle is the problem.

[@MrAlexmercer94]

@@elmerofun6669 when did Matu say that about Miracle?

[@ezalace]

@@MrAlexmercer94 in he stream he also say the miracle dnt wnt Mid with noone at that time cos he wnt to always look good

[@Northkalman]

Thank you for the donations in betting sites 😂😂😂

[@BanaNutz_Gaming]

It's time for nigma to move on from w33 and miracle. Miracle always given so much space. Like literally give him afk 20 farm. It's sad to watch

[@illegin9951]

Anyone wonder why they picked Phoenix for w33?

[@amitcytes5903]

W33 trash..w33 pubs player

[@raheart1]

Just please stop 4 protect 1 it won't work like funneling (hyper carry) in ml. At least in this patch

[@alexandrupopa9013]

W33ha playing suport for space creating, still miracle can t carry and w33 get blamed for playing phoenix mid. Just let w33 play others heroes

[@ezalace]

Atcly mind control mid dudr

[@patricktria6826]

poor miracle and gh having to carry the entire team

[@patricktria6826]

@Julz Tabs sadly thats just a comment based on your own personal perspective and emotion 0 minded. Even if im a fan or not you cant deny miracle's skill in playing :))

[@mantasstyle]

ligma lose = autolike

[@ttnn8780]

W33 should somehow increase his hero pool.

[@ChristianAaron832]

He cant he need a hero who can babysit miracle like viper badtrider so miracle can farm

[@gibranfachril8841]

I think W33 have a big hero pool. But, it goes back to rmn or kuro strat to choose what hero W33 gonna play. Matu done the same too at old Liquid. Play viper, veno, necro, etc.

[@ktknoks8718]

The fact is, W33 likes playing aggressive. You watch his pub games and he plays super aggressive (anti envy type aggressive). The reason why W33 played well in Team Secret, was because he was given reigns and control. If you are playing mid, you are to make plays and create space for your carry. Kuroky seems too hesitant for some reason and same goes for rmn. Not sure why, but they should let W33 play on what he seems he can perform better. Not force a hero on him. Kuroky did the same with Gh when he first joined then team Liquid. They need to draft around their strengths, not the same old 4 protect 1 strat.

[@isauced_]

@@ktknoks8718 because even when u give w33 his best heroes u have to constantly gank for him because he rarely wins his lane solo he was getting dominated by t3 mid and then they put miracle mix one lane and he was up 10 cs and almost 1k gold

[@davidchristian1592]

Woah" stop hating w33, im not a fan but all of u people blaming him, its just not fair, the who draft right now is miracle as long as i know and as long as kuro cant join the team it'll like that for a while. From what i see W33 can play any other hero, but in tournaments there is a draft and there is a team. Just look at matumbaman when he is on liquid from example

[@awalhashim]

I am not surprised. Team liquid is ti9 finalist after all. Grats to team secret for another 3-0 grand final

[@ryanchristopheraguilar8922]

Its team Nigma they are the TI9 Grand Finalists not the team liquid on this game

[@-_MAlfathBagusP]

@@ryanchristopheraguilar8922 do you is stupid?

[@elmerofun6669]

@@-_MAlfathBagusP nigma fanbase 10iq

[@jeze2432]

The problem with miracle is not the way he plays, it's on who's the kind of person he wanna plays with. Miracle has a habit of playing with people who he is close with like gh/w33 from balkan bears even though one of his friends is underperforming w33/notail in 2016 OG and he rather lose with those friends rather than switch teams to dominate. Imagine miracle with a captain like puppey and other great role players like zai and great mid spacers like topson/nisha who can co-exist with a talented player like miracle

[@chowyuncajurao3498]

What do you expect with the TI7 champions ! Go. Liquid !!

[@gabrielangeloinot7684]

LOL. The TI7 champions players are nigma right now. the fck you saying bruh

[@aswardon]

@@gabrielangeloinot7684 whooossh

[@bigc113]

@@gabrielangeloinot7684 wooooooooooshhhh

[@鈴木忠信]

@@gabrielangeloinot7684 whooooshh

[@Rakhmatalfian]

@@gabrielangeloinot7684 jebaited

[@avocado9924]

The real TI winner vs Nobody , easy elimination

[@chongshijie6972]

OG=midone Nigma=w33 😂

[@Nobodyss21]

It just like usual, liquid beating down tier 3 team. Why everyone so confused?

[@jcbill967]

Elegiggle

[@aliankhan8429]

So miracle has become a single hero ( faceless void ) player.

[@justineromero6735]

Weeshit and ligma could basically replace comedy bars.

[@kevinbekins1723]

liquid actually pretty good , their hero pool also huge but they inconsistent caused by stupid decision making in teamfight, in game 2 micke twice throw the bodies to nigma caused him and taiga dead and worse they have no buyback. luckily qojva storm, insania rubick, and taiga plays and positioning is top notch

[@dazaiosamu3712]

W33 before joined Nigma : Beast as a core mid. W33 after joined Nigma : Still beast as a space creator.

[@aswardon]

their captain sucks

[@M1dKnight1am]

Their carry sucks.

[@onestealthyboi3912]

I was exactly thinking that liquid losing series to mudgol was a plan for avoiding mental breakdown from losing to secret in UB lmaoo

[@muhammadanandra]

CEO liquid must be happy right now

[@janstephensss]

Nigma dropping items in the first game and not calling the GG in the last game is very disrespectful.

[@Trollnix2]

Yeah they are getting cocky because of their skills. I supported them in the past now i wanted chinese to wreck them on TI.

[@morjes152]

Kuro is probably the one that keep in them politely but he missed this time. Really need kuro because he can teach his team 👀

[@amarchrisearl9175]

Dude text chat is always muted by noobfromua. They actually called gg in the twitch stream.

[@janstephensss]

@@amarchrisearl9175 okay saw it thanks. But still the item drop by Miracle in game 1. Even GH pings multiple times to stop him. Karma is good.

[@jesserramsessoller990]

Can you put time stamp on his item drop?

[@jeremybudi1748]

Is 2020 not a good year for Nigma and OG? They lost so frequently lately

[@LoxD123]

Becuz they playing with the draft

[@jeremybudi1748]

I am quite confused with w33 heroes, his heroes are like half support/carry. It is like he is the third support instead of a core.

[@binfhaeidbmambao7190]

They r just experimenting the draft for the next ti.

[@solomonthegreat290]

OG are experimenting with Oracle Mid, Bara-Morph Combo, Riki Mid, IO-Mid, Chen-Core, BS-Offlane, Venge-Mid, Underlord-Aghs, ET-Mid, etc. Nigma on the otherhand are just straight-up throwing LMAO

[@jeremybudi1748]

@@solomonthegreat290 Do you think Nigma is using 4 supports protecting Miracle every game? It's like everytime Miracle dies, they all fall one by one.

[@kentsky3680]

Honestly, Nigma need change a new midlaner instead of 4 protect 1 strategy!!!!! Miracle carrying so hard nowadays! W33tard is a support instead of midlaner

[@KaminariGame]

they might say we are just bitter about it, but I'm gonna need to agree with you brother.

[@malakmal3661]

No, they need to draft better

[@ayushgupta6883]

@@malakmal3661 true they need kuro back like game 1 they had a good draft then its like their brains just shut off or something it was like drafting in pubs everyone picks whatever they want.

[@YangYang-ct2gx]

"miracle carrying so hard" lol but keep losing, I still rmb when they said miracle carried matu so hard in back days and guess what matu raping miracle right now in secret lol

[@KaminariGame]

@@YangYang-ct2gx even though i love miracle, I still love matumbaman more, so I also agree with you. kicking matumbaman out was the worst mistake they made.

[@azimmuzani1359]

why no meepo or OD for wee??? He play better with that hero

[@deenadayalan3562]

Game 3 was the most hilarious thing nigma ever pulled of hahah. It was fun watching.

[@redrage4162]

20:20 vid?? Nigma fangays blame eachother?? Aaaahhhh.... I cameeee...

[@allanyang21]

how do you get that aura item around the heros like zeus in game 1?

[@krisnaxda]

Phoenix mid what a joke

[@tungnse]

At least Miracle fans still have pub highlights to watch

[@mickocipriano1409]

no gg call poor nigma.

[@abyanharitsdio6903]

🎈My MMR is 6.7K. Let me make a suggestion. Why didn't Nigma try to swap W33 to core position and Miracle as midlaner? I used to be very amazed by Miracle when he used mid heroes (Storm, emberspirit, Qop, Invoker, etc.). Leave w33 in safelane. It doesn't hurt to try right? The other team has studied Nigma's tactics. They have to try something new. At least let Miracle at mid lane. Sometimes a midlaner must have a sharp killing instinct. I think Miracle is the answer. Just try it. I knw even Miracle and w33 suck. But just try it

[@rivaldolingga2140]

Well nigma tactic pretty much "let miracle farming so much so he can Carry us" not to hard to notice tho

[@CurrentlyOffliner]

Kicking Matu was a mistake lol back then they were easily switching cores and who is going to be win condition also Matu was cheesing lots of games with Brood , LD and Lycan W33 only have meepo. Anyway lately its always 4p1 just shut Miracle early game then you win gg. Miracle is good midlaner but im not sure if W33 can adapt fast enough though he will eventually since hes a good player. Finally its not just Miracle and W33 all team should adapt supports shouldn't only succ Miracle this time and give some priority to W33 as well.

[@leandoer3522]

Drop your id you 6k guy. Their strat is 4+1. It doesn't matter who will take midlane, enemy team just need to shutdown carry and the game is over. If they don't change their gameplay, that has not been effective for them. They will keep losing.

[@onzadetuberculos1826]

Ana is the best example for that Midlaner : meh Carry : HumbleGod Just like you say Nigma should be try

[@michaelodonz3520]

I dunno what Nigma thinking, but Phoenix mid is crazy pick. Im not blame W33 cause drafting hero is team decision, so this 5 man agree with mid phoenix. I dunno whats wrong with them

[@jonathanjosept5302]

Dont watch it if u have weak heart or seizure ( for nigma fans)

[@invalice1444]

new liquid > old liquid

[@M1dKnight1am]

19:04 Caster: Look at Miracle dying to Qva 2K watching: Jebaited

[@arifardiansyah8287]

nigma getting trouble when void get banned

[@jerchiury]

As soon as Nigma starts playing 4 protect 1 they lose. When will they ever learn?

[@alikamali4174]

Do you realise that when enemy is 4k ahead game will just auto turn into a 4 protect 1?what did you expect?in a losing game you wanted to see a tri core?even secret in a losing game would be 4 protect 1 cuz thats the only viable strat in these kinds of games and for example at game 1 of this series all 3 cores of nigma were pretty good and all of them did so much but in game 2 and 3 it was like all on miracle cuz thats the senario of LOSING GAME=CARRY US Understand or should i explain more?

[@alikamali4174]

Besides of that dota history has proven that 1 ultra hard carry like spectre beats a tri carry lineup like jugg ember DK so its not even a bad strat to begin with specially in this meta

[@ethribin4188]

Miracle syndrome. Its sonetbing everyone falls for over and over.

[@jerchiury]

@@alikamali4174 So you mean they picked W33 mid pheonix and necrophos game 2 to not go 4 protect 1 and when they fall behind they default to 4 protect 1. LOL. They had 4 protect 1 in their heads from the start. Show me that a mid pheonix or necro can farm as fast as a Zeus, TA, Lina, etc. Game 1 zeus did good damage and is a real threat and he farmed decent. Game 2 and 3 W33 didn't even do anything. Secret has shown that with 3 cores they can still win mid game fights even if they lose one of matu or nisha, so they don't fall behind the first place. Nigma lose miracle = no more fight.

[@scheissegaming4401]

@@jerchiury Indeed.. it is so true.. Maybe it is just Miracle wanting all the highlights or Team Nigma bet their team to lose 😂😂🤣

[@divinethundia7893]

Liquid is always relying on gh and miracle on late game, and the other thing is mind control and w33 which they are always behind gh's networth.

[@pascalkusuma4]

liquid or nigma? xaaa

[@keenstein1661]

Nigma bruh hajaha

[@azild028]

The sacrifice their farm for miracle

[@dzk6714]

thats the TI7 winners Liquid trashing some Ligma noobs

[@philipjanbaruis7040]

Nice Phoenix

[@softdrink9971]

Just kick miracle...too much space,dota 5 player not one man show!!!!

[@rocktypemagikawp788]

everytime magnus is available nigma gonna pick it they want to boost Miracle so hard

[@extraordinaryperson5556]

agreeed

[@yohwto]

Micke and nikobaby . my favorite carry players

[@nigeltorrefiel8920]

What ever y'all say I'm Liquid all the way. m'iCke, Boxi, Insania, Taiga/ST_ST all 4 of them are Pro HoN players. If y'all heard it at 0:40 the caster said "it's a HoN thing" and I'm a HoN player myself. And the only reason why I'm watching Dota2 tournaments its because these guys are playing Dota 2 Now.

[@sumail4684]

never played HoN but is it harder than DOTA2? these guys slayin it on a different game holy crap

[@edwardfranciscocanalesmuno3905]

w33 got second place at netwoth board in the fst game but ppl still think nigmas strat is to take care miracle until he gets his items, 6 slot lol. thats the noobest 1k thing id heard about a team losing streak.

[@icemarkful]

Can't wait for Kuro to come back and clean house.

[@yaxiongzhao6640]

Changes are needed... Kuro is pounding the dough, thinking what topping should be in his Pisa...

[@harbilito4910]

Dont google w33 Pheonix

[@nickzillagaming]

Miracle is lonely carry

[@vulaiminh8135]

W33 does not even know what type of position he should play well.... it seems like his trash wheel lowers together with his ability... All the other teams play 2 carry with main physical damage, dont know fucking why Nigma only focus on 1 physical carry and the midlane position plays like a support for the whole game, and it was a big problem since the TI9 until now, they havent changed, its not classic Dota anymore, 1 carry cant be against 2 carry. Even more, new Dota is more forward to physical damage to finish the games quicker, it was too old for trick and trade, classical games more than 90 minutes.... Kuroky was so wrong when he kicked MATUM. Look at MATUM in secret line-up???? Not pressured at all, just farm and build as fucking more physical damage as possible, Nisha can both keep his net-worth and play aggressive, late game Nisha still gurantee his physical items.... I am fucking sick with play-style of W33.....

[@tungnse]

Hey idiot, it's nigma strat for washed up miracle to shine like a pubstar, not all w33 fault. W33 always fight alone at mid while miracle and MC get all the resource/babysit. Before w33 came to Nigma you fangays also blamed Matu for only playing green heroes, low hero pool etc etc now you praise him when he's with secret. It's the team strat/synergy and playstyle of every member to enable every one of themselves. Soon when nigma disband miracle come to new team you blind fans will realize how bad he is without gh babysit and w33 sacrificial bait.Stop watching pub highlights.

[@dzk6714]

@@tungnse yes they focus around Miracle but w33 losses most of his 1v1 mid matchups . He is even bigger shit than miracle

[@MienLeHoang]

tóm lại là bet ngu thì chịu đi bạn ei, khóc lóc cái loz =)))

[@m.h.4907]

@@tungnse true they better change their drafter. Horrible draft every single game of them. W33 is a good player and also has a decent hero pool. Not his fault, that they pick always the same heroes over and over again for him

[@Kangkung88]

Lol they always give W33 Space creator hero for Miracle and u still blame him? Miracle can't play 2 core straits cause he need more space and Farm. U can see they always pick Batrider,Viper, Pugna for Miracle so he had enough space for farm

[@sampojuuti]

Men only want one thing and it's disgusting, Nigma to lose. Tbh their drafts are utterly predictable and limited.

[@willyericson7509]

Miracle back to mid while nikobaby fill pos1 Thats a big deal Better than 2-0 anyway

[@arvinchristiantapangan7669]

That would be a very good lineup though I don't think Nikkobaby will be leaving Alliance just yet. They've been doing good this tourney.

[@samuelsomfan]

@@arvinchristiantapangan7669 better than Nigma, like they've been in most tournaments.

[@willyericson7509]

@@arvinchristiantapangan7669 i dont see any good future from w33ha if he keeps playing like this. Yes it is 4 to 1 game, but even you pick sacrificial mid at least show some quality at mid. And his heroes rly super boring to see except meepo.

[@arvinchristiantapangan7669]

@@willyericson7509 Can't really blame u for being disappointed at w33. I mean, even matu was better than this when former team liquid was struggling.

[@jaycombalicer8523]

So hard to play if you're not in the same booth camp

[@martinevan9373]

15:42 farmmmm moreee

[@1nf3rn0nguyen8]

So will suma1l join nigma ???

[@deathknight9161]

Nigma change player..w33ha to sumail

[@mulyabob1168]

Now what? Build up sumail like the rest of midlaner that been on miracle sides? Playing necro viper and etc? They can't bring another greedy midlaner to their lineup it can't be done for a carry such miracle who need midlaner to sacrifice himself

[@GilangRamadhan-03]

I'll do you one better. Miracle out Nisha in.

[@jadejardiolin6276]

Secret vs liquid in grandfinals

[@asha6377]

it is nice to see teams competing hard for 2nd place