NIGMA vs PSG QUEST - TI13 QUALIFIER ELIMINATION - THE INTERNATIONAL 2024 DOTA 2

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NIGMA vs PSG QUEST - TI13 WEU QUALIFIER Highlights - THE INTERNATIONAL 2024 DOTA 2
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[@Pablo-om8cj]

Miracle casually losing last 5 years of his career

[@skylertan3458]

NO NEED FOR SPOILER BLOCK. YOU GUYS KNOW WHO WON.

[@RonaldJarjury]

I'm pretty Nigma Galaxy has a dark history behind the scenes, I think they are doing a lot of 322 and they all players are earning a lot of money doing 322.. In other words, Miracle, Sumail and GH know that the problem is kuro but they don't change the team for some BIG BIG BIGGG reason. That's all what I can say..

[@hegeliankid1226]

@@RonaldJarjuryDamn, SumailBet > Taigabet>XiaoBet

[@supac322]

😂

[@loh-4528]

@@RonaldJarjury not really...at this point nigma is underdog...so not many would put their money on nigma

[@watchwilliam4065]

Why ruin people's experience? You feel good ruining games?

[@apuman224]

Dont be sad about Miracle, Sumail and GH, they have the option to leave but didnt. Guys are happy with their monthly salaries, they might also have shares with the org.

[@muhammadsyafiiq7203]

Yeah, no idea why those ignorant ppl think they aren't

[@witchhunted4297]

Exactly

[@hungnguyen12481]

You can literally put ATF 3, Watson 1, bzm 2, Save- 4, and bald KuroShit 5 will still fail to qualify tier 5 tourny.

[@alexcoutinho2354]

hahaha wtf !

[@verdansk4761]

Came back again to comment. I guess I speak I for the majority of the Ngx fans when I say this: it's so hurtful when you realise you're not gonna see Sumail, Gh and Miracle fighting for the most coveted prize The Aegis. Growing up they're our idols. Speaking of the games- Game 1 was BS Game 2 was beyond our expectations Game 3 was a total wreck. We thought FBZ picking Pit Lord would excite the tempo as he did in game 2 but Quest somehow figured it out, banning Io, because they knew they lost Game because of the global advantage nigma had in game 2. So they say F this shieeettt and pick the most reliable heroes to rotate early game and f'ed up nigma's farm. At this point it's not just the drafting problem (they're not a complete idiot at it, eg: game 2), but somehow the universe is telling nigma galaxy to part way and try out new line ups. Changing teams doesn't mean you're no longer friends. I hope this reaches nigma galaxy's HQ.

[@carnal_disdain1743]

Yes, brother. There's a drastic need for some changes in their lineups. Their players can still do it, it's just the chemistry doesn't work like it used to back then.

[@carnal_disdain1743]

Also I hope Kuro gets to see this comment ❤❤ all love for you kuro but sometimes things need to change. Like this man has said clearly, you can still be friends even if you're in different teams. We want to see some real dota with their real potential, not just playing for money.

[@verdansk4761]

@@carnal_disdain1743 you feel me bro. Let's all hope for the best

[@kckillakrack9714]

First pick ng mid ember so they can just counter the hell out of him is just herald drafting and this guy is suppose to be some pro captain?

[@verdansk4761]

@@kckillakrack9714 I feel you bro...

[@shubitoxX]

Nigma = friends play dota, not competition

[@moore02-]

yea miracle just cant leave this team. hes too attached to them

[@quanduong8917]

Since Nigma founded in late 2019, it will be atleast 6 years they could not come to TI for even one time despite being one of the mous famous DOTA 2 team

[@dns1005]

I remember that kuro said "stop thinking about winning" to them. They did, and they did it very well! 😊

[@RedRanchu]

I wonder just how much oil money these players are getting paid to lose 5 straight years and not disband. What's amazing to me is that they would rather lose then let go of the money. Its just sad.

[@nljie]

Dam its been so long

[@nnk9305]

No Riyadh No Major No TI What a waste of Players

[@yannominno]

By them Nigma players getting their monthly paychecks, no sweat bruh

[@nnk9305]

@@yannominno If that's the case Miracle or SumaiL could just go full-time streaming, Miracle or SumaiL would definetly gain tons on streaming than getting hired on some Org and shamefully losing so many times They should be kinda like Admiralbulldog but better, imagine the viewers, fanboys are gonna pump some cash unto them I can guarantee to that

[@phervil2774]

@@nnk9305”streaming” 😂 last time sumaol streamed he got 4K viewers and don’t even talk about miracle who can’t even talk… even mason got more viewers and he said streamer isn’t worth it if you are living in a first world country unless you are doing nothing else

[@nnk9305]

@@phervil2774 Well if that's the case sucks for them at this point their job is just playing DotA competetively in tier2 Tournaments while also losing and not winning

[@jude0117]

Damn miracle and gh really need to leave. Kuro holding them both hostage. This is sad

[@shivanguard37]

Imagine disrespecting Miracle's decision for staying in Nigma 😂

[@mahasiswatua2140]

Just change that old man kuro

[@AboTV]

Fuck this friendship between Kuro and miracle!! Miracle should leave and Go or kuro should go and say hey miracle! I am dumb so i leave and now its time to win for u bro. But this kuro dosnt get anythink this is Burger kuro

[@shawnchuang1450]

knew who won before I even watched

[@lhantful]

Miracle should start to consider being "professional" in terms of dota and leave his best friend, Kuro. He still is a god. He should find a new team before he gets washed. Sumail on the other hand is not the same anymore.

[@karmanamgyal3519]

Kuro should stop playing and start coaching.

[@QPOWERR]

He is mega noob he cant coach

[@MarioGomez-yi6gs]

Fun Fact! Across many iterations of Nigma all roles have changed players except one. Take a guess! Maybe they can finally open their eyes and see if that is their main source of issue?

[@navidpivau]

good bye dota (after 16 years)

[@40plusoldman66]

Kick or ban kuroky. He is a noob

[@WinterSnowism]

he's the owner

[@gsl1816]

Kuro The founder of Nigma will not quit playing as long as he wants to, since he will not be kicked no matter how bad he is, stop supporting this team is the only way you can do.

[@scrabb9185]

Terrible 3rd game draft by nigma

[@realbacyao705]

@10:20 Kuroky just hookshot Phoenix instead of hookshot Sladar to save Sumail 😂

[@damfacker1134]

The only reason NIGMA is winning games is because Miracle and Sumail are GOAT players. Not only is kuro trash when it comes to drafts he is also trash as a player just look at his hook shots in game 2 and his draft in game 3. I guess NIGMA loves to lose since they are still keeping kuro.

[@masarief3067]

I think miracle & GH should join another team

[@yorichidota7510]

Bro even 1 hookshot didn't connect the hero this is why kuro is not playing ranked because he scared recalibrate to herald or crusader.

[@aswadimdnoor305]

supp diff, you can see how omar go crazy while kuro still play with teletubbies

[@isauced_]

Miracles loyalty to kuro needs to be studied kuro needs to just retire at this point he derailed miracles career😭

[@Nevermorepicker]

tbh, I think Miracle is just enjoying dota, bro and gh are the 2 chillest dota players

[@shahbazkhan4529]

those hookshots by kuroky is how I used to hit them when I was learning to play the hero, sad to see a player being called pro with that skills

[@IbrarHussain-f3f]

Another TI without Nigma

[@khanhhung8959]

At least Mgod had rampage😊

[@breakup266]

Game 3, in the first 15 mins. Enemy pos 5 ench gank 1st blood, dominates btm lane, secure mid runes gank mid and top, push towers, steal wisdom rune, infiltrate jungle to ward, 0 deaths. In the same time, kuroky feed btm lane multiple times. The difference in level of play is crazy!

[@AeXMusic]

For me it seems like Miracle, Sumail, GH and especially Kuro are quite introverted individuals, which don't all to much enjoy the hassle that comes with competing at the very top of dota. And honestly i don't blame them. I wouldn't want to bother with all the traveling, socializing , smiling into cameras, shaking hands with curios fans at events etc. They just enjoy some good competetive dota with their year long friends from time to time, get stable income in what is essentially home office and have a life outside the game as well. I mean at one point, you just gotta settle in somewhere and the effort you have to put in to stay with the best is just not worth it eventually. Even more so, if you already won big once and invested your earnings intelligently.

[@hungnguyen12481]

No. They very much want to win just like everyone else. They're just stubborn.

[@qwertywertt3753]

Hats off to miracle's loyalty, he wanted he could've joined a tier 1 team but no matter what he stick through kuro as he's the one who established him in the pro scene. But now kuro stop being selfish and let go man, let miracle join a good tier 1 team.

[@Raven-bi3xn]

That’s not true. Miracle won 3 majors with OG in 2016 before he was the TI with Kuro. He was already established in the pro scene.

[@qwertywertt3753]

@@Raven-bi3xn yeah true, but the achievement he did the most was under kuroky.

[@muhammadsyafiiq7203]

Kuro never force any body to stay

[@qwertywertt3753]

@@muhammadsyafiiq7203 it's a self thing, like you feel guilty to leave him into the obvilion alone.

[@witchhunted4297]

​@@qwertywertt3753Miracle doesn't have backbone to leave the team

[@mroyra7263]

Kuro never read patch

[@rabinpun-wy5xd]

why the fuck did they 1st pick mid ember get let ur star playmaker get countered by 5heros...kuro is a joke i swear...even gorgc knew he was gona die 1 second before when he was casually right clicking enemies when a full waves was coming to them n boom he dies..even gorcg was confused saying wtf r u doin kuro

[@markchristianpascual1941]

Miracle is a Very Good friend to Kuro. Kuroky is the worst friend to the rest.

[@jaymarksthespot]

Kuro the king lmao. Just retire already and disband ligma

[@saifshaikh4427]

Being a Miracle fan, I moved on from Nigma. They're stuck in the past, Sumail is not at his best idk if its the draft or the team is general. Miracle plays out of position many times and dies giving away streaks. Better to disband and work with new roster. Probably they're enjoying fat salaries and lost all the passion. I been enjoying watching falcons since the last 4 months. They're doing so well and its fun to watch their games.

[@MachoTapiLoyo89]

Kuro, you're a great player, no doubt.. But nigma really need a new captain/support to replace you if they want to achieve something.. you're out of position most of the time, theres so many support players out there who plays way better than you. Admit it you're washed up dude!

[@tauanvitor722]

Time to blame Kuro again, guys? 😂😂😂

[@40plusoldman66]

Kuro is the problem, he ruined all other 4 players careers. İf there is a solid no 5 player in this roster, this roster can win ti. And roster who has kuroky cant win a single series . Period. Worst pos5 ever. My grandpa draft better. Useless noob

[@breakup266]

First pick SF, first pick ember. These drafts. What year are we in !??

[@algifnur]

what a joke, doesnt even have stunner on game 1? Kuro need to retire already man he just wasted miracle, sumail, gh especially fbz

[@lxrd5238]

he has already played with mickey yuma and atf too

[@thehieungo6367]

SHUT UP HATERS WE GETTING ARAB MONEY.

[@violence1429]

Even though everyone already knows who won it's still fun to watch how Nigma got destroyed.

[@DaveeeDavee]

Miracle.. A player that was called the prodigy of dota during his prime. Sumail.. the youngest player to win TI and was given the title King by many fans Fbz.. Fbz GH.. was one of the best if not the best pos4 at some point of his career Kuroky.. 2 time TI finalists 1 time TI champ and was considered one of the hardest captain to draft against during Liquid times. How is it possible that Nigma has been absolute dogshit for at least the last 2 years with a roster like this. Yes, a few players did come and go but having literally 0 success with players like these is unbelievable. The moment they leave liquid and create their own org, all their career literally went down hill.

[@MarioGomez-yi6gs]

If ATF, literally the best player in the world right now and top 1 rank, can't carry Nigma, then you know there is something inherently wrong with the team. Maybe check their pos 5 or something. That's the only constant in all iterations

[@Ravi-fw3ee]

point is that there is no one that Doggy kuroky needs to be accountable to.. he does what he wants,, he hasnt played dota since Nigma formed... im quite sure he would get a crusader/ archon if he recalibrated,..Matumbaman would be thanking the gods that he got kicked. XD

[@Smitasahoo99]

i never saw any helpless team like nigma siberian tigers to micky mouse 😁

[@orlandoactab3034]

Nigma has no more confidence, they dont pop 2-3 man smokes and always hesitates to use their ultis and just always reacts rather than making plays, this hurts to watch man.

[@enlighten92]

Sad to see the state of Nigma.

[@bayumahendra1797]

Finally guys NIGMA is BACK!! Back like they used to be

[@yannominno]

Nigma was doing well in Game2 with aggressive heroes, but once you see Game 3 draft , you know what’s coming for Nigma…

[@leventinesmith8070]

18:18 - rarararraaammpageeee I would love to have this in chatwheel.

[@yorichidota7510]

After ti 9 no ti 10 no 11 no 12 and now no ti 13 what happend to nigma

[@Sinichi_Kuddo]

There are a lot of fans of ngx because of Miracle, the only thing I'm confused about is why Kuroky is still so ambitious to play. And also why Miracle and the others are so loyal to Kuro the An old captain whose abilities are no longer growing

[@user-qs7tq6sk1l]

They have huge salaries as they are sponsored by Etihad

[@frould7203]

Is it true that Nigma has been funded by sultan, they live like king, they don't need to win?

[@hazriellive8268]

yes, each of the player got car, got payments, which team can give you that without winning? none

[@Gearleyveloso]

Like a random dude with ChatGPT text said in twitch chat hahaha Kuroky everyday mantra: All eyes are on me, so I hide when playing pubs. I'm the captain of Nigma Galaxy. The other day, I made excellent draft choices, as I always do. I have brilliant ideas to lead my team to victory. Let my enemies tremble before my wisdom. I will never fail! Bulba, you are right, we are the best!

[@VagabondDL]

Kuro play like bot

[@Nyarlahotep]

If Nigma wanted to lose they should have let me play

[@kentsky3680]

KUROKY WON'T PUT DOWN HIS KEYBOARD UNTIL MIRACLE RETIRE FIRST 😃 NEXT YEAR 2025 Miracle- will be 28 years old 🤪 (This year Miracle 27 years old) 😛

[@nurbarys]

even in 2nd game, which NGX won, Kuro manged to fail twice with hookshot

[@user-ie9vl7me2x]

New father of nigma , i think nigma hasnt won quest in their 5 last matches

[@BlackSpyda1000]

i havent even watched the game but i know somewhere somehow Kuroky played bad.

[@sh1tsfcked119]

2 hookshots on his teammates, yep you guessed right

[@kialmiart5928]

SF with weaver together as pos1 and 2 is really a bad idea

[@mrpoks4282]

This Miracle guy is so strong

[@takhelmayumsantoshsingh969]

Buy Nigma, kick kuro, hurray Nigma, only option left🗿

[@eugenecruz9288]

Kuro is the most acoustic and restarted pro player

[@soundgasm2439]

Kurodogggg how many miss was that on hookshot? Pro player

[@Yoppppol]

Even a legend rank player can nail a hookshot on clockwerk 😂 cmon kuro 😂

[@dnalyerruiz8098]

Way gamit kuroky!!

[@STOICedie1201]

There are other heroes other than ud and morph Kuro. Please just give it up and be a spectator or something

[@wrathoflichking9603]

24:44 Miracle turning into Miralul

[@brunoalbuquerque8610]

O que houve nesse 3° round?

[@abhijitsarkar7257]

nigma should have won the og match and stay in UB,so many good teams in weu qualifier,they learnt nothing after 3 years of no ti appearance

[@eazypeazy4842]

they cant win shhiiiir

[@johnpaulmagalang2044]

A lot of big names and teams are not going to make it to TI this year, all across all regions. Deym.

[@teachert.2572]

Miracle can't carry kuroky's ass

[@blascristaldo6691]

Dota 2 comunity its so toxic lol

[@Matheus-vr8pl]

In game 2, Miracle Muerta was a Masterpiece, carry so hard

[@ethan-ehsanalhaidari8696]

I’m no longer a fan of Nigma. Gg

[@byronjamesbalagasay-rb4ym]

I really miss the sumail prime

[@irfan5029]

Idk why kuro if win wth same heroes he pick twice nd 2nd game lose embr pitlord

[@goodgrindne]

Nigma is back

[@TheTechZLife]

Cant wait to see kuro retire

[@ragdoll7886]

Normal player just casually destroy and humiliated god and king 😎. Why need god and king when you got pure skilled player 😎.

[@LongX49]

miracle rampagee BatChest

[@doctor_sako]

What a god bro, he will gonna made a lot of rampages on TI aswell, dont worry BatChest

[@johnputih1284]

Kuro hearld player

[@ramiru3264]

Nigma should respect the meta, they didn't deserve to be in TI with these drafts

[@zerovikings5852]

Another ti another reason from Kuro to retire 4 years couldn’t even qualify to any dpc tournaments gh and miracle getting too old for this although miracle still plays pro

[@ices_fires]

UPPER BRACKET IS FOR ......!

[@raleimusic3719]

kuroky problem Pls change pos5

[@Eirene007]

Sumail gets dominated in mid in 3rd game

[@nljie]

Damm Nigma was so close to winning Ti

[@ayeneandal3441]

sumail needs to step up!!

[@zinion276]

they just first pick mid. do they hate sumail or what

[@lxdead5585]

No need for spoiler blocks bois, it's Nigma xD

[@kamhorm22]

Tier 1 vs Tier3

[@enosandiaga7103]

“Ketika suatu pertemanan membuat kariermu hancur”

[@nguyenthehien2149]

Nigma won Ti when Miracle was at mid and a better carry, better change miỉacle to mid and have a better possession 1

[@cryptobit2619]

A bunch of nobodies can easily beat nigma. Ez money.

[@Rayendebnath23]

Muerta miracle ❤

[@SreeSiddharthBadugu]

Bro, even that match, so many misses from Kuro clock

[@sadeepaprabhasara9787]

Nigma on a tier of their own

[@hardtri9104]

Ember + ET kky doesn't know ember can burning wake up sleep?

[@Kiwibacon619]

Sumail at 5:00 You shall not pass!!

[@Mahmoud_Jaberr]

Is it time to change, Nigma? Sumail was good player in 2015 but this isn't his time TBH. Every 2 months Nigma announces that they will form a new roster then after thinking for long long time they resurrect Sumail once again, TBH the weakest midlaner atm

[@mercadorodriguezgerson3549]

i think they need to hire a drafter, to teach kuro not to go for SF mid vs spirit breaker, that was a free game, SF died and died and died, no wisp, no chen, no oracle, nothing, it was a blank ranged creep with shadowfiend as name, same goes for game 3, why do they pick 2 late game cores? the drafts are killing the team, sumail is ok, miracle too, GH is ok too, i havent seen enough of bzm, and kuro..... well, he's getting old.

[@Mahmoud_Jaberr]

They might be good players individually but once it comes to teams game they lack speed and chaos, they need some monkey business and to remember that DOTA play style has changed much and it's about breaking your opponent not just to out skill him

[@cobra-chan5154]

No surprise there

[@deffy2122]

Nigma did it again!! They lose