NIGMA vs TUNDRA - SWISS STAGE DAY 3 - ELITE LEAGUE 2024 DOTA 2

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NIGMA vs TUNDRA - SWISS STAGE - ELITE LEAGUE 2024 DOTA 2
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[@febriliaadicandra7287]

"You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become a clown"

[@amdslamdsl]

When you have already known nigma was stomped because the video duration was less than 18

[@rayallan3650]

yup

[@nerocetie69]

Bro missing the arrow combo is wild

[@urekmazino777]

Shadow demon 4? Kuro mirana? Mid earthspirit? Rip draft 💀💀

[@navneetgulati6103]

Man Kuroky is literally Archon Player

[@_icve]

9:38 disruption + arrow still miss :3

[@jadetaylor6093]

Doesnt ban chen, doesmt ban topson sniper, picking mid earth spirit, so many priblems with every kuro draft. Dude needs to put the work in if he's gonna be a captain, or make room for someone else.

[@xrainmank]

He is only in it for the Arab money from sponsors lol. Look at them, Etihad as sponsors lol 😂. Meanwhile no one is sponsoring Chinese teams and that region is in disarray.

[@Mayrik92]

Do you think banning topson heros will make difference? the dude can literally play any hero as midlaner. (btw they banned sniper 2nd game and still got rekt)

[@xrainmank]

@@Mayrik92 Nah nothing makes a difference, a better team will still beat you by outplaying you regardless.

[@limpeh845]

I'm miracle fan, it's time to watch 2017 true sight

[@witchhunted4297]

😂

[@predtr18]

time for oldies grandpa xD

[@adrianojr.damoslog2104]

That was the longest fountain farm in a while.

[@guardianfrez3234]

Is kuroky pos 4 or 5, his playstyle is hard to understand which role his playing Always picking right click base hero when the meta is about skills base for pos 4 & 5 Got 100% lost rate with Mirana still picking like it's the only thing he's comfortable playing it.

[@bebeccabeb]

The purpose is clear, kuro provide food for enemy team

[@HatiKeseorangan]

@@bebeccabeb dota 2 now day cannot play support as a food, kill support means u get 5 stack natural camp....

[@amirasyraf1032]

Seeing Miracle being humiliated like this. Very sad

[@Robinnxx93]

Holyhexor will upload with tears

[@ameerulaslam4388]

Kuroky = Professional Career Destroyer

[@dope7000]

I think I'm better than KuroKy. Like if you agree

[@Smoked.X]

You are better than w33 too😂😂😂

[@nnk9305]

You are far better than all Nigma players,…And YES! Including Miracle

[@Mayrik92]

You are the best dota player ever dude!

[@tuyenmanh6992]

Temporarily teamless future TI winner right here.

[@anthonyking6309]

You will be the first triple ti winner 🎉😂

[@zulhaimizoule1937]

U know it’s auto win for opponent when Kuro pick Mirana😂😂😂

[@esef8069]

ikr? tf he always pick mirana idont understand

[@md.khaleduzzaman9608]

Well play kuro your are MVP for nice draft and legendery mirana play

[@Rickendx21]

If u see thumbnail nigma. U already know how its done

[@Gearleyveloso]

Let me guess, another mirana from kuro and 0 arrows landed.

[@jehanzebazhar7840]

Kuro getting last hit kills.. lol

[@icewallowcome2536]

0:55 look at what kuro did. he just pushes the creeps outside the tower range. miracle cant farm lol

[@venkata224]

I'm glad you noticed that too, this is exactly what he does in lane, Even in life stealer game this was the situation at bot, he always aggro creeps like a herald

[@ameliacortez4510]

Exactly not many people noticing this minor misplays by kuro... With due respect he was once upon a time a very decent player but... He is getting old now and making minute mistakes which later build up

[@wewel5949]

That's what I thought, i was like why are you pulling the creeps away from your 'safe lane' kuro...

[@gboy6120]

I dont have so much hope for nigma but tundra should be able to compete with ts and falcon

[@wreckingball5596]

What a humiliation, that fountain dive

[@samgreen9754]

Sucks to see nigma lose so convincingly but unfortunately they play too old a style of dota. The best teams these days are playing aggressive heroes and fighting as 5 from 10-12 Mins onwards. Nigma seems to think they can get away with 2-3man ganks across the river and farming on carries until 20min+

[@nnk9305]

Nahhh even if Falcon are playing old-style they still win against Nigma playing new-style its the players not the draft or the gamestyle

[@No0bzhacked]

Cat @ 10:40

[@frozenkuku]

Yup 12:08, Sumail's smoke breaks, he realizes he doesn't have invis and still walks up hg, such a fatal mistake. 14:58 when Pure blinks in, Miracle doesn't rage, Sumail doesn't bkb. I'm a Nigma fan but seriously wtf man...

[@zemel2050]

Playing wr vs pugna what a joke

[@frozenkuku]

@@zemel2050 I mean despite the draft, they made such simple mistakes for players at their level. Not to mention Sumail spent so long getting BKB only to not use it at the most important Rosh fight of the game.

[@tuguldur2546]

ye moment luna blinks tundra is commited to the fight miracle and sumail both should have used bkb/rage

[@wewel5949]

14:55 passive bkb from mid king 💀

[@mobusherkayani5574]

You must be 10k mmr sir bold comment 😂

[@wewel5949]

@@mobusherkayani5574 anyone can see that was a silly mistake haha

[@nnk9305]

Meanwhile 12:08 Topson instant BKB without no hesitation Mid King vs Mid God

[@zacharyjohnson7944]

What has happened to Sumail and Miracle, in neither game did they do anything.

[@yomista]

what can you expect a mid Earth Spirit vs Sniper ? thats an ez win for sniper and 2nd game Nigma was leading tho by only 1k till they started losing team fights and got luna fat

[@firdaushusin5446]

miracle and sumail , always wasting time with kuro , find better team

[@aska5858]

bullied again by Topson 😂

[@DaveeeDavee]

Usually a draft like Tundra's in game 1 doesn't work well but it actually complement the tempo so damn well.

[@coolkevs2371]

Tundra once again abusing khanda meta and nigma doing nothing like boomers

[@quanvuminh9727]

tobi always picks panda and 9class techie is dangerous, they know and still let tundra have techie fist game and they lost 4 heroes at mid then game flipped

[@parthajitjana2222]

If you want to difference between 2 team look at the second game. Both teams carry fed in early game, luna recovered like crazy by constant stacking of his 2 supports. Nigmas 2 supports didnt even execute their combos wih mirana ,sd,nstacking is another thing.

[@shin29534]

I mean pure is one of the best carries right now ans whitemon and 9class are also top tier supports. Can't say the same for kuroky although matthew and miracle is good

[@cubbykeow6807]

Kuro's haters please fill the the blank ______ is the problem

[@CheeKiatTeo]

I'm not one to blame, but W33 literally did nothing this game

[@downeyjr3603]

​@@CheeKiatTeowake up from 2019 already

[@hamzabinabid6752]

Another Master Class draft from Kuroky lol

[@pewdiepieyepthomi5174]

Players should stop joining nigma until kuroky leaves

[@thexgamer8240]

Topson vs Sumail, the battle of the legendary midlaners.

[@TheBakaoBakao]

Game 2: Finding Kuro

[@kostavchaudhuri2557]

😂

[@benimchen6127]

I feel like we can form a random team and still beat nigma.

[@xicheeal]

kinda sad the only play miracle did was the amulet toggle

[@tommasopisapia7464]

SPOILER Tundra made it look like a pub game, even with the fountain dive at the end of both games

[@lhantful]

Wtf is that dagger range at 2:45? I didn't expect that to be that far

[@nurbarys]

Kuro's problem that he thinks he can outdraft enemy. Like in 2nd game he opened SD and allowed Tundra pick Luna, one of the metiest carry in this patch, after ban of morf. Cmon, he always underestimates opposite drafter

[@HatiKeseorangan]

they not come togather.. mirana and SD show low teamwork position...

[@Hideyoshi1268]

Their hero draft is always the same. 99% same hero pick.thats y they r lossing 😂

[@socrates1796]

lol, kuro cant even land arrow on disruption

[@user-hx1ob7sl8o]

Kuroky should do the scene a favor by not bringing Sumail and Miracle down with him. Time to retire.

[@sabbatus]

tundra techies is wild and they always pick it im suprised the other teams don't ban it as soon as they can strong laner mid game nuker late game disabler and vision giver

[@BeBeautifulAsYouAre]

I'm a big fan of miracle, but he's making me mad because why don't he just leave this kuro behind?

[@58prayagpomaje42]

I don't think he's playing that bad to get such treatment. It's team game not one man show anymore.

[@fumlefinger92]

imagine 5 man hiding behind rosh. and the wr hiding there shoots out and arrow and show entire enemy team where u are hiding XDXD holy fuck you have to be mentally gone to make such a move sumail

[@RedRanchu]

I cant understand why Etihad sponsor Nigma, bruh its a losing team. Sponsor LGD instead at least they have Xiao8 a REAL captain, Kuro is just too bad at managing a team.

[@icewallowcome2536]

me before watching the video: let see kuro lose again 😢

[@imnewbie4470]

Nigma is back

[@HatiKeseorangan]

hshshs

[@rizkyfr4231]

Cant wait for Kuro's farewell

[@whitebeard1210]

Nah it is not just kuroky, miracle sumail are out of date Now many pos1&2 better then them

[@Neriff-]

It doesn't matter,bring yatoro or any tier 1 current midlaners play with kuro,it is an autolose.

[@goatlight2220]

When you see mirana means GGEZ

[@nvidia980]

17:03 This is the best play for Nigma WOW 😳😳😳

[@rendydestara2584]

Kuro so freaking egoistic, go out yourself and let your team shine bro, seriously, what an ego capt ..

[@witchhunted4297]

why are you talking as if they can't leave the team or sum???

[@HarisKhan-qy3sy]

Nah bro miracle washed up too. 0 map awareness and positioning in game 1

[@erixdiandra4582]

why u kick the owner???why not ur self go out???

[@rendydestara2584]

@@erixdiandra4582 Being owner for losing? What's the point be the owner then 😂 If he let other player playing then maybe he got more money, right? 😂

[@rendydestara2584]

@@witchhunted4297 Can they?

[@delsocorromarcdavea.2871]

To be expected

[@edd9249]

Tundra supports are playing like supports in SEA pubs lot of networth

[@jamesberdindang7018]

Kuroky shud stop playing competitive anymore.. he’s so $hit now.. kuroky is the problem in the nigma

[@jeffersonkoh9004]

They actually lost to a Snipe Drow lineup

[@herrimangara8431]

typical SEA pick up

[@solaire6116]

Doom 4?

[@remu4825]

nobody say sd kept using skill 1 on wr and it make only worse

[@nnk9305]

Blame on support LMAO Nigma's core kept on fucking it up Instead of Disrupting enemy Luna, he's now supposed to do defensive style by saving stupid Teammates who just dies right after being saved

[@fuu6490]

Nigma continuing 4 years circle of failure let's go !!

[@lhantful]

No gege from miracle. Feel sad for him. He needs to go back to mid and kuro needs to watch from the bench

[@andid2769]

Miracle is baaaackkkkk 😅😅😅

[@christopherfagaragan1832]

drow sniper cent oldskul dota

[@OhTwistFx]

What if sumail isn’t trying cause he’s not happy being at nigma so he’s not trying. Cause he was destroying every mid last year

[@NONO-hz4vo]

That would make him a loser or a head case. Either way not good. Probably just that the talent in the mid has grown all around and it isn't easy to dominate any more.

[@oNeHanDGuN]

Fight against nigma is like bonus stage lol

[@alienvisitor3612]

Is Gh is kicked out from nigmas?

[@loundstormbuilder8505]

No, just inactive

[@buknoyglamorosa]

When did kuro mirana win games???

[@Mayrik92]

its a support! blame the cores that cant carry

[@shin29534]

​@@Mayrik92he always gets caught out of position lol he is the weaklink. Nigma needs good supports to enable sumail

[@Mayrik92]

@@shin29534 why you blame kuro but dont blame sumail, their team died many times cuz his yolo initiations yesterday against tundra

[@buknoyglamorosa]

@@Mayrik92 if u really Watch nigma games. U know kuro is the problem. Starting from draft, feeding, play like archon, stealing kill from pos1 and pos2.

[@Mayrik92]

@@buknoyglamorosa you are obsessed with kuro

[@cararararam4290]

kuro, it's time for retired

[@zizouwowist1641]

kick w33

[@sai78206]

are you internet explorer user? they did long time back

[@hashbroun3444]

and still picking wr lmaoo

[@leonardoagcoelho]

@@sai78206 Sarcasm. They blame w33 when they lose. Now the team keep being obliterate

[@zizouwowist1641]

the irony is rich@@sai78206

[@fordgaming4326]

​@@leonardoagcoelho its because if kuro

[@mitrarai5680]

Team Nigma n Team Secret should retire . Their prime was gone .

[@Hideyoshi1268]

What do you mean team nigma n team secret... The player should retire not the hold industry and it's not that all player are bad..its there draft that is bad every match they play 99% same hero pick

[@rosemary1346]

Is the player not the team, if watch carefully their history match

[@mitrarai5680]

@@rosemary1346 dont take so personal baby 😜

[@mitrarai5680]

@@Hideyoshi1268 jst chill dude

[@nnk9305]

I'd say,... Kuroky, Puppey, Miracle, should retire They're not THAT good anymore, however SumaiL, Fbz, Matthew, Ah Fu, Crystallis, BOOM, Kordan still has potential

[@loust1264]

who tf plays es mid this patch

[@Nishaisthebestplayer]

Miracle keep throwing the game and Kuro 0 impact as usual gg...

[@loganwolverine1990]

Time to past down the torch .. end of an era

[@youssifmomen557]

why summail and miracle just leave the team what is happening

[@ilhankey7815]

I feel sorry for matthew and fbz. I miss gh

[@harrismazari5484]

pure way too good

[@meiseve2683]

no kick kuro = no win

[@riscohardiyanto6555]

Tundra VS Old Machine

[@jayengeography]

Ok Kuro Times out ..

[@zettlee7972]

Miracle need Gh

[@xDream3773]

Nigma needs Kuro out.

[@sayazwan9748]

Yeah

[@akashashokdesai5058]

Somehow topson's team always ends up fountain diving! Lol!

[@nnk9305]

fountain farming*

[@Mayrik92]

Everyone blaming kuro and miracle but nobody blames sumail, their team died so much because his failed yolo initiations 😂

[@majdalmohanna3038]

Enigma playing like its 2014

[@raleimusic3719]

problem in ngx kuroky and still bad draft ngx

[@69fyou]

Navi is “back” . Nigma is “back “too .

[@mockingjay6059]

Sumail and Miracle should swap roles with this line up

[@lenx3130]

Tundra just having fun with tier 3 team 😅

[@fransiskusr.a.8989]

FastFromUA strikes again

[@kucingonline2359]

cant play pugna or mk early in today farming patch wont survive in late, unless your enemy tier 2 team and you have luna late

[@Mayrik92]

pugna literally counter windranger as core

[@sabbatus]

12:08

[@damfacker1134]

Why is a herald team fighting with a T1 team

[@lenx3130]

No need spoiler block even u see thumbnail u know who win

[@scarygirl3109]

I miss miracle mid :(

[@trialtaker]

Me too😢

[@nnk9305]

Miracle Mid was a total garbage wtf you talk'n bout? Because of fans "Miracle Mid = Autowin" ILTW now is depressed

[@scarygirl3109]

@@nnk9305 idn ur opinion im not here to debate. But appreciate all players

[@trialtaker]

@@nnk9305 when did u watch miracle mid? Before or after 2019?

[@nnk9305]

@@trialtaker The first Match I saw Miracle Mid was OG vs TNC TI6 It was indeed a garbage,... His Invoker Mid was good but after the patch, it was then back to total garbage, then he switched to Carry, and he was owning on TI7,... Then he went to Mid again in Nigma and went back to garbage once again

[@Bloodynine606]

Bro was miracle afk 😂

[@altannedjati9861]

Why people never ban sniper for Topson?!! This guy picked up that hero 2 times in 4 games, already. Pfff, " PRo'es".

[@Neriff-]

That's the difference between you and them. They are the real pros while you just 1k random pub 'pros'. iQ's gap.

[@tommasopisapia7464]

they banned topson heroes the next game and it didn't change much, topson can play pretty much anything mid even unconventional mid heroes

[@altannedjati9861]

@@Neriff- About the hidden intents and IQ gap. The score in the end says it all , loko friend. the way you speak gives up all for your IQ as well.

[@Neriff-]

@@altannedjati9861 so you know better than the pros? What to ban what to pick? Maybe you should apply for a coach position instead of barking here. The pros are terrible making mistake for not ban topson sniper because of topson small hero pool lol 🤡. 1k analyze

[@hoohsowner697]

Just as I thought kuro start to have better draft on last match, now he drafted this....1st match draft is stupid against sniper drow, 2nd match mirana again which has no impact on supporting *facepalm*

[@erixdiandra4582]

nothing wrong in nigma draft.. game 1 dk and doom can easy shutdown snip or draw in mechanism but not in excecution..game 2 demon and mirana good combo too with brew can disable pugna and no one cant catch LS with stun and disable in mechanisme..but u know TUNDRA play so damn good..

[@DisturbedStricken1]

GODson 👻