Nine Inch Nails: Trent Reznor's Nasty Feud with Marilyn Manson

[@rnrtruestories]

Whose side do you take? Trent Reznor or Marilyn Manson?

[@Keyser___Soze]

“The story was removed from the interview because the editors had concerns over unethical procedures used to get information out of Manson” Whoa whoa whoa you cant just have a throw away line like that at the end! WTF does that mean? What TF did they do? Got him all drugged up? Spiked his drink? Tortured him (he might have actually liked that)? Waterboarded him? Held a gun to his head? Made him sit in a chair with his eyes forced opened (like A Clockwork Orange) and made him watch and listen to LFO “Summer Girls” (“New Kids on the Block had a bunch of hits, Chinese food makes me sick, And I think its fly when girls stop by, For the summer for the summer, I like girls that wear Abercrombie and Fitch....”)? WHAT HAPPENED??

[@badxradxandy]

Neither they're both f'd up

[@leeannwiley1623]

Reznor

[@owl509]

Manson easily

[@laurenb916]

@@badxradxandy Reznor is sober and a good person. He is also a brilliant musician.

[@paulallen-01]

I met Trent in the early 2000’s in NYC. Wound up talking with him for like 20 minutes. He was very friendly and down to earth.

[@natas2350]

Stop soft bragging, its pitiful

[@paulallen-01]

@@natas2350 cry about it. I’m not bragging. I was just stating a fact that I met him and he was a chill dude. So go cry about your pathetic life somewhere else

[@catfish64115]

@@natas2350erm?? they just wanted to share a cool experience calm down 😭😭

[@Blooodhail]

@@natas2350me when I’m jealous

[@johnskilling7019]

My grandparents lived in a town about 25 miles or so from where Trent grew up. I was a huge fan so when I was 12 my grandma drove me about 30-40 minutes up to Trent’s high school. I walked in the lobby and asked some admin if they knew if Trent went there. Most of them had no idea who or what Nine Inch Nails was. But one lady who did pulled a couple yearbooks from the early 80’s to let me check. Sure enough, there was Trent’s senior picture. They made me a xerox copy for a souvenir. Nice folks, and Grammie was the best.

[@uverpro3598]

My coach’s wife went to high school with Reznor, she was a grade ahead of him and in the marching band. She showed me three year books with him, and they shared the same piano tutor. She claimed he had been inspired by Liberace when he was a kid.

[@ryanjefferies2788]

This is more creepy than anything. Why would you want to go to Trent's high school? Its been like 40 years since he was there...

[@Eyetrauma]

What a cool grandma

[@eddiehazard3340]

@@ryanjefferies2788 Nothing "creepy" about it. Creepy is being a pedo. Creepy is stalking folks in real time. So, your influences are important in life. And when you have an influence, you want to go where they were, sometimes. It doesn't mean you don't have your own identity. It doesn't mean you're a weakling follower. It means you get something deeply, and you want to go see where they were. And his high school? Man, a lot of this angst was born of high school. So of course it would be cool to go there. That's all. I get John Skilling. I get what he said. When I was younger, and full of angst, I loved Pretty Hate Machine. Few albums expressed how angry and cheated I felt as well as it, and it tore the lid off industrial..maybe only Ministry was as awesome (or more awesome. or just as awesome..dunno). These days - not so much - I'm on a happier vibe. But I get what he (John Skilling) is saying. I hope you have a nice day, bro! :)

[@jeanpaulmichell7243]

@@eddiehazard3340 Good response. And yes, so much of the early work of NIN and other similar bands is directly influenced by the high school experience. I was HUGE into NIN in high school, the Downward Spiral connected with me in a major deep way; it also changed the way I listened to music. But I cannot stress enough how important the catharsis was; as a hurt, scared kid it provided a way to release feelings I could scarcely describe, I avoided acting out in dangerous ways because of that music. Rock on.

[@lizd.8655]

Reznor now scoring Disney films was something I never would have guessed back when I was going through my moody teen phase back in the mid 90s

[@Bag0HaZe]

Don't let that take away from any respect you have for him. Making music is a job, it doesn't always have to be something that represents your personal projects .. Lot's if musicians write songs for other people and also do stuff commercially it's a fun challenge. Taking on these projects challenges you as an artist whilst also keeping you busy... it's not a bad thing.

[@val_de_mez]

​@@Bag0HaZewell said

[@bencarlson4300]

He’s also really good at film scores, he and Johnny Greenwood from Radiohead are two of the best working film composers. Both of their styles are distinct and it’s easy for me to see a direct link from some of the electronic/ambient tracks of The Fragile to his Oscar winning score for The Social Network. It’s more than a commercial product, it’s just a different extension of what he was already doing,

[@archibaldcabebe6062]

And he's also scoring Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem with Atticus Ross alongside. Yes, really.

[@seltonk5136]

The posers loved him. Birds of a feather

[@wendynerd1199]

Three of my favorite Trent Reznor stories, all of which are kind of sweet. 1) When he was living in the Tate house, Tori Amos was getting really, really worried about how skinny he was getting, so she showed up on his doorstep with bags full of groceries all "I'm going to make you some chicken." Well, here's the thing: Tori Amos knows how to make chicken, but not in a haunted house/with broken kitchen appliances. The oven and stove kept turning off and on and things just kept going wrong. Finally they just had to go out and get something to eat. He was apparently watching the entire time, thoroughly amused. 2) Sharon Tate's sister came to visit him in the Tate House and told him that she felt him recording an album there was exploitative and hurtful. So he moved out. 3) His house in New Orleans (I saw it when I went on a tour of the French Quarter and Garden districts. I also saw Anne Rice's house. Hers was way more goth and literally had skulls carved into all the ironwork). He moved in on the same block as this congresswoman who was, uh, not too thrilled at the idea of having the guy who wrote "Closer" living on her street. She was certain that him living there would turn the neighborhood into a Dethklok concert and that the district would never get any peace. She got the HOA involved and everything. Well, one day she goes to Reznor's house while he is having some renovations done and she is ready to be all "You ain't going to be blasting your scary rock and roll all over this block, Mr. Rockstar!" - only to find out that the renovation work he was having done was to sound-proof most of the house so that the neighbors wouldn't be disturbed. They ended up becoming friends and walked their dogs together. I love stories like those.

[@sandelic1]

I've always had mad respect for Tory Amos, but now I love her even more!

[@sofiu-v3p]

The Tori Amos one 🛐

[@ladyhonor822]

Wonderful illustrations Wendy ❤️ AMEN Philadelphia USA 🇺🇲

[@MusicmyZombie]

Love it....thank you

[@MickMcGarnackle]

If there's one thing I don't remember about the 90s, it's stories about Trent Reznor being a typical rockstar douchebag, because I'm pretty sure there aren't any.

[@SamantherPanther]

Manson being butthurt over being called a McDonald's burger is so funny

[@prairiedeath]

Literally, dude’s whole thing is being an edgelord, yet he cant even handle being called…. A mcdonald’s burger? Huh? 😭

[@talkingtreefrombugaboocree4847]

@@prairiedeath he’s literally a baby underneath it all. Definitely would be a neck beard incel if he didn’t become famous

[@piterpraker3399]

@@prairiedeath There was a brief period of my childhood during which I'd call my brother different variations of a silly goose until he cried.

[@Wolfdragon92584]

Pffft that's a funny-ass insult. More creative than outright offensive.

[@killbotone6210]

Manson spent a year laughing at Billy Corgan because he got annoyed being called Charlie Brown by Manson...guess Manson is a bigger snowflake.

[@incubustimelord5947]

The moral of the story: "We need to stop doing drugs." - Trent Reznor (to Marilyn Manson)

[@lethrbear32]

They wrote and recorded Antichrist Superstar in speed, coke, pills, LSD, and sleep deprivation. It is by far their best album. Everything was pale in comparison. Even Mechanical Animals which could hold it in by itself. I hate what he's done to himself. I've seen him 14 times and the last tour with Rob Zombie was horrifying in a bad way. He was so wasted by the end of his set that he was incoherent. Look in my videos. Zombie made up for it. He was kick ass per usual.

[@michealrosen]

@@lethrbear32 the downward spiral is far superior to anything Manson has ever done or will ever do.

[@Sindollx666x]

@@lethrbear32 i'm So glad i saw Manson back on earlier tours too. Ive seen him at least 9 times. But admittedly I didn't make the effort to keep seeing Manson live after Eat Me Drink Me, which severely disappointed me. Especially coz one of my all time favorite shows it's still the Mechanical Animals/Beautiful Monsters tour, it was epic A.F. Though the first time i saw Manson live on the Dead to the World tour, I felt like i was witnessing history, also Epic a.f. As for Nin/manson i love them both always & forever.

[@lynxlecher9547]

@@michealrosen Not to AS; and I'm not saying that Manson is better. But the collaboration between the 2 of them is what made the greatest album in history.

[@alloybust3842]

pointaken

[@D3M0NQU33N]

"Look- I'm not going to say Limp Bizket sucks, ya know? You know it, I know it and I'm not gonna say it." -TR. That line makes me laugh every time.

[@rars0n]

Limp Bizkit only sucked because Fred Durst sucks. There were some talented musicians in that band.

[@D3M0NQU33N]

@@rars0n I agree with you- I like Wes Borlands playing quite a bit.

[@Denariusjay]

Limp bizkit is still going though, they can really rock it out. In some ways they got the last laugh

[@Sindollx666x]

I hated the majority of that kind of music anyways, and Limp Bizcuit was up on the list. Only numetal band i really enjoyed is Korn. But i agree that Wes Borland is a talented guy. I seem to remember he was nearly offered a gig in Nine inch Nails, and being in Marilyn Manson for a spell.

[@arfullum04]

@@Denariusjay disagree. I've seen Nine Inch Nails several times and it's always a great show, musically and visually. Also, Trent and Atticus Ross have been involved in numerous scores for movies and television series. Furthermore, NIN was inducted into the Rock HoF. Limp Bizkit will likely never be there quite honestly, because they don't deserve to be. I know this is purely subjective but, one could argue that Trent Reznor and Nine Inch Nails have had a wildy more successful career than Limp Bizkit.

[@baileymoran8585]

I loved this feud when I was a teenager. Now all I can think is ‘wow... Reznor really should have stopped giving Manson chances, and Manson should have actually stopped doing drugs.’ I may not be wealthy and famous, but I avoided a lot of drama, drug addiction, Courtney Love, and fast food insults.

[@elysiumsexsmith]

It's swings and roundabouts really. Manson and Reznor embraced sex, drugs and rock and roll and 25 years later, people are still talking about them and buying their music. You avoided sex, drugs and rock and roll in exchange for a safe and relatively mundane existence and 99.9% of the world have no idea who you are and won't be telling stories about your life a quarter of a century or more later.

[@KaplyaNikotina]

@@elysiumsexsmith not 99,9 but 100 actually. Our friends and families wont make 0,1 percent

[@abdulmajeedahm644]

@@elysiumsexsmith Honestly I'd take the mundane existence over all the shit Manson and Reznor have done and gone through

[@damo9961]

@@elysiumsexsmith Being famous is not something sane mature people strive to be. Famous people get paid for the terrible existence that is 'being famous'.

[@elysiumsexsmith]

@@damo9961It's not about being famous, fame is merely a byproduct of people paying attention to what you're doing. And if what you're doing is interesting or successful enough, people will pay attention. And whilst there are countless vapid people who want nothing more than attention for the sake of attention, there are plenty of others who just want to do more with their lives than work, buy a house, have a family and then die. They want to leave a mark on the world rather than come and go like a whisper in the wind. And we tend to be a hell of a lot more interesting than people like yourself, which fuels attention which fuels success which ultimately leads to fame or notoriety. I don't expect people like yourself to understand the mentality behind it because whatever it is that lights the fire under some people's arses and drives them towards fame and success is completely and utterly lacking in people like yourself. But its not crazy or immature to write a life story worth telling and retelling long after your dead.

[@williamherd7251]

Trent 100% discovered Marilyn Manson. Not saying Manson would never have made it, but he certainly owes Trent a lot

[@lynxlecher9547]

That didn't mean he could bully and make fun of him.

[@saintsataniko2116]

You know who else Trent discovered... PRICK. He put out one really good record and was an opener for NIN, but just disappeared without ever reaching Manson's level of success.

[@theodorethompson9032]

When i saw MM open for NIN in 1994 Manson said he wanted to F a 14 year old boy...

[@saintsataniko2116]

@@theodorethompson9032 It's impossible to link something said on stage to his actual beliefs and behavior. It sounds like a disgusting thing to say, but his whole persona was trying to offend societal norms. Also these days you have innumerable comedians who make jokes about pedophilia because thy just want to push the boundaries of what can make their audiences laugh.

[@theodorethompson9032]

@@saintsataniko2116 they're not pushing boundaries. They are normalizing it ....

[@vxxiii4160]

Let's not forget Trent has two Oscars already. Dude is mega talented

[@joeblack2800]

All due respect to Reznor but NIN hasn't ad a good song in 20+ years. To this day Manson is cranking out some incredible albums. NIN only ever had about four good albums in the 90s.. Manson's career and body of work far exceeds Reznors short lived success. And don't even bring up the garbage he does now with Atticus Ross for movie soundtracks.. Background noise..

[@qipinni]

@@joeblack2800respectfully, you’re wrong, mansons voice is nails on a chalkboard

[@-Swamp_Donkey-]

Because Jewish approval is the hallmark of a good artist

[@ryanhopkins5239]

​@@qipinnipretty sure he's a troll. The same comment is posted 4 times

[@seltonk5136]

One day you are pretending to be edgy, the next you are completing with Arthur 2 On The Rocks for best original score

[@beezysbeatz4924]

I'm glad Trent came out on top. That's what talent and class gets you.

[@rickdeckard1075]

im glad that trent's face went from massive dork to adult man, thats what cheek and chin implants and rhinoplasty and steroids and a good physical trainer gets you

[@b-bopeddie1290]

dudes a tool......

[@rickdeckard1075]

@@b-bopeddie1290 i always thought so...

[@rodjohnson6408]

Class does not equal taking personal potshots and insults at someone for 20 straight years every time you're interviewed imho

[@The-Real-Skinny-Bob]

What are you talking about Manson hangs out with Johnny Depp and made new albums lolololol

[@uverpro3598]

After Nirvana and grunge, this was the rock scene of late 90s. NIN, Manson, White Zombie… it was a very special time and place for hard rock and metal. I was a little too young to fully enjoy it, but better believe I appreciate it. This scene at the time will forever be linked to what rock means to me.

[@arfullum04]

To be fair, NIN's first album was released in 1989 which predated grunge

[@User-54631]

All those bands all ripped off ministry and skinny puppy.

[@uverpro3598]

@@arfullum04 Oh I know. Industrial music and Goth rock goes back to the 60s and 70s, but the fusion of electronic music and metal was closer to the time I was talking about. Yes, bands like Ministry, Skinny Puppy, and Rammstein were all there and I’m sure there are more post-punk bands I didn’t mention. My point wasn’t about the origin of Industrial, Goth, or Electronic Metal, but rather when the record industry CAPITALIZED on these bands. Next came Nu-Metal and Garage Revival but Rock music never had the same edge or place on the charts as this post-grunge scene.

[@uverpro3598]

@@User-54631 I don’t think those bands would deny that. It was their mainstream success that turned me onto Ministry, Skinny Puppy, and others. My comment wasn’t about the scene and style but rather the few years when it went mainstream and people outside of cities were listening to these bands.

[@Bumbaclot213]

An that horrible phase of nu metal

[@Mike-cs1ft]

Also Trent as had a good acting career as Owen Wilson such a talented guy

[@andydhillon1977]

Lol I noticed that similarity, too. Well, when Trent had his long face. Not his current round one. Lol

[@theeobeastone5068]

Wow

[@Superman_305]

Trent Reznor looks like a hybrid between Owen Wilson and Tori Spelling

[@kramalerav]

More like Luke Wilson actually.

[@point-xn4tu]

I want to see Owen even try to be Trent, LOL

[@InBuffalo]

I’ve seen NIN 7 Times and manson 2x and I can tell you the real talent here is reznor

[@ViviPestilenz]

See Skinny Puppy if you want to see talent.

[@InBuffalo]

@@ViviPestilenz I’ve seen them as well🤌🏻

[@TowManDave00]

I saw Manson open for Nine Inch Nails in Toronto DEC.1, 1994... Feels like it was 1,000 years ago

[@snapdragon6601]

I saw Manson open for NIN probably the same year & same tour except in Denver, Colorado. I had never heard of him before. You're right about feeling like 1,000 years ago.. Damn, I'm getting old. 😀

[@MrProng999]

Lol, I saw that concert in Vancouver

[@ashlandstationmusic]

Hearing him describe Trent as a jock is funny

[@arnulfololll]

I mean, I can kinda see it..

[@ashlandstationmusic]

@@arnulfololll yeah, now totally, but 1994 not so much.

[@twistoffate4791]

I appreciate Trent because he was in marching band!!

[@afterthestorm221]

Hearing Trent played Judas is just as funny.

[@yogijaya2897]

Im glad i saw nin in 89 B4 phm came out ...

[@TheReal_Pim_Tool]

TR: “We need to quit doing drugs.” MM: Ok, i quit doing drugs.” TR : “NERD!”

[@deepcreep98]

lmao

[@toddpacker4683]

@Hil Flo did that happen? Is there proof rezner told him to stop abusing women. I think in all likelihood they we’re probably both creeps to women

[@toddpacker4683]

@Hil Flo no I’m not denying that Manson is a creepy fuck who victimized women. I was asking if there’s proof that Trent knew and told him to stop

[@scarlette_rot]

Wait, you honestly think Manson isn't still an alcoholic cokehead? That's laughable. Have you seen any MM interview from the last 15 years?

[@point-xn4tu]

@@toddpacker4683 Grand accusations require grand evidence. And when you say "we’re probably both creeps to women", I have to ask: you and who else?

[@BasementPepperoni]

I will never forget seeing Manson on that show "Talking Dead" on AMC like 8 or 10 years ago. It was the first time that I had seen him in almost 15 or 20 years. Dude gained a bunch of weight, which is understandable. Once you get into your 40's you tend to gain weight. But also how out of his mind on drugs he was. He wouldn't STFU and just kept going on and on and on and on, and you could tell everyone on the show was starting to get weirded out and uncomfortable. ANYWAYS, when I was watching some of the JD/AH trial, and JD was asked about taking drugs with Manson. He said "I gave Marylin a pill, because.......he wouldn't......stop talking." I couldn't stop laughing when I heard that, hahaha

[@eviedevi.]

he gained looooots of weight when he cut off drugs

[@tkraid2575]

@@eviedevi. maybe it's the withdrawal symptoms.

[@ph-fi7qo]

@@eviedevi. although he actually didn't cut off drugs and also alcohol makes you gain weight.

[@eviedevi.]

@@ph-fi7qo he did he talked about it in an interview also talked about the people who had helped him quit i think he also went to rehab

[@laurenb916]

in the best shape of my life at 41.

[@blueearthquake]

Trent is by FAR the better musician.

[@davideberhardt6150]

Trent is a musician, full stop. Manson is merely a performer, and not even a good one nowadays.

[@chicitychina]

Trent is a musical genius. He is my favorite band to see live .I have seen NIN at least 20 times lol.

[@getgle]

Of course, Trent is a one man band. He could release an album without anyone else's help. Marilyn's just a singer so he couldn't create a damn thing by himself

[@jkerwin604]

Well, one of them is still actually making good music 🎶

[@EdmundKempersDartboard]

And the bigger coward.

[@monsterguyx]

I've always been a fan of both guys & their bands. But to be real, I get the feeling that friendship with Marilyn involves too much insanity for anyone to sustain.

[@Arterius_omm]

i'm a fan of manson but he seems to beef with everyone in his life. at this point you have to wonder if he feels like he has to do it in order to keep making headlines.

[@orphanoforbit7588]

@@Arterius_omm no, I don't think that's it at all.

[@Arterius_omm]

@@orphanoforbit7588 what do you think it is?

[@wendynerd1199]

Hence why he goes through band members and friends like popcorn.

[@nathanielbables8652]

Well, see how his new marriage pans out. He's obviously met crazier people than him.

[@tomasford]

My main takeaway: Trent Reznor was Judas in a high school production of Jesus Christ Superstar

[@lynxlecher9547]

I know, right?

[@autumnsmith3585]

🤣🤣🤣

[@coimbralaw]

That’s your main takeaway?

[@somnambulist83]

at least *something* positive came out of an andrew lloyd webber musical

[@MedalionDS9]

It's like two kids who met in Middle school who have on and off again relationships and miss each other but have to pretend they didn't care, but really do

[@davidferrick]

As a die hard NIN fan and early on Manson fan knowing a lot of the drama between then and watching it unfold I was very hesitant to give this a watch but you did a good job.

[@christophervincent77]

I remember buying Portrait of an American Family shortly after it dropped in 93. I was flipping through CDs and bought it solely based on the cover having no prior exposure to Manson or the Spooky kids. That was such a great find...

[@joesmith9216]

a good album indeed, even antichrist was not as good as their first.

[@phoenixofthewolf]

That was so fascinating! I've only just gotten back into rock in the past couple of years, and really enjoy these longer videos about artosts from back in my day before music was sensored in my house. Thanks!

[@tylersmith9868]

Gotten back into rock? What

[@sampsakeranen7069]

@@tylersmith9868 how do you leave rock

[@philippequintard2378]

Welcome back!

[@mistermyself1725]

Censored in your house ?? Care enough to elaborate, please ?

[@phoenixofthewolf]

@@mistermyself1725 I grew up in the 90's, and in a Christian household. My dad loved rock, but my mother was swept up in the after shocks of satanic panic and everything we liked, that wasn't obviously churchy, was picked apart. Rock music was not allowed. Even Christian rock music was scrutinized. Skillet back then was softer, but off limits in the house. The short answer is she broke our spirits because we had to please someone who was only interested in godliness and not us as kids. Even my grades were looked over if I gave the appearance of holiness. It was exhausting.

[@TheIndustrialRetrospective]

By bringing the Industrial sound to the mainstream, Trent has completely revolutionized how popular music is written and consumed. Trent has also changed how films are scored as well. Someday TROZ will be remembered alongside the likes of Elvis and Michael Jackson.

[@joesmith9216]

his music was never industrial, It was alternative. Industrial is mostly noise.

[@snorpenbass4196]

@@joesmith9216 Hey now! It depends on the band. 😛 Einstuerzende Neubaten is a very different style of industrial (arthouse) from MLWTTKK or KMFDM (fun mosh pit dance-inspired).

[@joesmith9216]

@@snorpenbass4196 ''industrial'' is old throbbing gristle, SPK and whitehouse, those types of bands, NIN was like electronic dark pop music, at first , then with BROKEN he went full on metal, which was so cool.

[@Ween1776]

I don't care what anyone says about Trents music recently, even tho it's better then people give him credit for. NIN was the music in the my teenage angst years when I was fighting with my mom, girlfriends, school going bad etc that I could put on headphones to and escape all that rubbish. There were times when I was heavily into drugs and seriously contemplated offing myself in those years and NIN was something I could listen to to calm down and get emotions out. It'd hard to explain, I'm making it sound like I was a diva but I wasn't. If I met Trent in person I would thank him, bc he literally helped save a teenagers life in the late 90s early 00's. Some of the songs on the Fragile and Downward spiral should be in the Louvre, perfection in art. NIN also helped me kick those dame drugs. Listening to lyrics about someone going through and feeling exactly what I was. So thank you Kevin for getting me my first NIN cd and taking me to my first NIN concert. RIP good friend. I miss you

[@TheChillMelodist]

NIN represented the feelings and emotions of a generation of disilluntioned teenagers during the 90s.

[@Ween1776]

@@TheChillMelodist they certainly did. My first NIN show there were so many different groups of people. I didn't expect that. There were the goths and metal guys sure, but there were also guys like me who were athletic and played sports, not so much jocks but I definitely didn't expect that

[@MisterMcKnight]

you see trents influence all over antichrist superstar, it's a shame because the two really made magic together, that album is iconic af

[@snorpenbass4196]

I think that's the reason they split, though. Manson couldn't cut it without Reznor, so he resented him, and combined with drugs removing inhibitions, well...

[@tooldaniellateralus9298]

The 90s were fun... musically.

[@bryanmckinney1098]

The very late 90's and early 2000's up until the boy band RnB trends blew over were a very dark time for Rock I feel. Especially when compared to the glory of the late 80's early 90's.

[@KarklinPumpkin]

I honestly think the 90s was the peak of hard rock music. Production quality became great and the cheesey b.s. of the 80s was kinda switched out for realism. Not mythical lyrics like 70s heavy music, not girls and beer like 80s heavy music, but stress/mental health/suicide/pain.

[@KarklinPumpkin]

@@bryanmckinney1098 Very dark indeed, but it relates to the fans a lot more than "girls and booze on Hollywood boulevard on my golden motorcycl" or "the dragon wizard comes to the dawn of the witch-king"

[@danielnugent7046]

I was talking to someone about howthe 90s are so romanticized, but it's because of the art left behind by a bunch of kids who felt disenfranchised from the rest of the world. I saw Nirvana, the rest of the 90s sucked. All the fun we once got in trouble for, is completely acceptable. If you smoked pot in the 90s, you were a crackhead, these days it's pretty much encouraged.

[@ShaneDanger42069]

@@KarklinPumpkin No

[@unperson5713]

I am curious to know of these "unethical procedures that were used to get information from Manson." Late 94, a friend of mine did a radio station sponsored gig in NYC, the DJ host of the gig threw cassette singles into the audience, I caught one. It was a couple songs from an unknown artist named Marilyn Manson and the album Portrait of an American Family. I was addicted, I needed more. That recording is peerless. It took me a couple months to find the full album, by then the cassingle was was nearly worn out. Manson, back in the 90s, was actually better live than in the studio. You had to be there, his concerts were pandemonium. Pretty Hate Machine and Downward Spiral are symbols of artistic perfection to which other practitioners may aspire.

[@casucasueq4479]

Words. :( Music. :)

[@brianpinion5844]

brought him to me in , way up holler in east ky . yea he made some piggy noises

[@taffysaur]

The “unethical practises” refer to plying him with alcohol and cocaine to loosen him up for the interview.

[@maxclifford937]

@@taffysaur I doubt they had t o ply him, more like just show him the bag and say "want some"

[@BuddyLee23]

The comments could also have been made secretly, or at least ‘off-the-record’. If Manson didn’t know he was telling someone something for their article, I could see the editor(s) get uncomfortable with it.

[@kristenshearer3976]

Met Trent thru a friend he actually taught him how to play and the guy is a genius. Trent was pretty popular with closer being a super popular song, he was somewhere close to my hometown for a concert came to my friends and played music the night before his show. The man is amazingly talented

[@RetroGameBasement]

manson in the 90's was a religious experience, if i could go back in time, it would be to go to all those shows again.

[@davidanderson1639]

I got to see Manson twice on the Dead to The World tour & it was incredible!!

[@Rms317]

Dead to the world tour is my favorite show I’ve ever seen, fantastic!

[@davidanderson1639]

@@Rms317 There was something both terrifying & brilliant about that tour. I caught the Mechanical Animals tour in London & that was nearly as crazy. Everything after that has just gone downhill. If I’m honest, I’m not much of a Manson fan….way more into NIN.

[@Sharkfighter13]

Hell yeah! I actually met Manson in Houston in 1998.

[@blacksunshine7485]

Manson going back to being semi industrial lite is just what he needs right now. Or what I need. I did like his last album and LOVED Pale Emperor.

[@starkillerclub3755]

I got to see NIN/Manson in Philly, Downward Spiral/Portrait of an American Family tour, with the Jim Rose Circus in between sets, yeah the 90's, good times!

[@MichaelKerr71]

Been there for that tour also, but in Tulsa. Good times.

[@ShannonHumphreys]

I saw that same tour in Pittsburgh. Great show!

[@mimseydemon1844]

Saw that tour in Montreal, thankfully instead of Manson it was Pop Will Eat Itself. Saw Manson separately on Antichrist Superstar tour. Opening act was (boring as fuck) Powerman 5000 and Manson started 45 mins late.

[@matthewjames206]

I saw that tour in Sacramento 🍻

[@Crazy8ts]

Saw that in Boston Garden....jim rise circuis was wild....lighting strips of firecrackers taped to his body and slipping through a tennis racket from head to toe

[@davidwallin5734]

Just take a look at how everyone seemingly loves Trent Reznor--even Marilyn Manson. Then look at Marilyn Manson's personal history...I think that sums up the entire feud.

[@catherinebk5417]

mansons history is hard to debate because he is always acting when under the role of marilyn manson. if you dig deeper, he is actually a sweetheart. his girlfriend missi romero who dated him from the spooky kids to antichrist superstar said that he is a sweetheart. his ex fiancee rose mcgowan wrote in her 2015 book that manson was the polar opposite of his persona. he was romantic, nerdy, quiet, shy and together they liked lying in bed watching movies and cuddling at the back of the tour bus while the others went partying. they were together from 97' to 2001. its rlly a tough case but underneath, in his personal life he seems super quiet. even the women accusing him now praised him in the media for years after the so called abuse, plus evan rachel wood had said in 2010 that he is very vanilla in sex. she now claims hes a monster who tied her up and beat her up... but i dont know seems like bs.

[@G.L.O.S.S.]

He's a good man now, but he was worse than Manson during the 90's.

[@AmeriMutt76]

@@catherinebk5417 yeah, I think "a sweetheart" is exactly not how Rachel Evan Woods describes Manson..

[@Snarl616]

Asking to his ex girlfriends how is Manson... yeah, that will give you an unbiased answer.

[@Snarl616]

@@AmeriMutt76 Common friends, people growing with him etc. I also find it funny that on one side everybody said he was shy, vanilla in bed etc, other people say he's a rapist, if not the same just some years after.

[@hollyroxy25]

Trent Reznor is the reason why “Antichrist superstar” is such an amazing album & imo Manson’s best album.

[@wulrichjr]

Yeah that's my 2nd favorite, but for some reason I was always partial to Mechanical Animals. Just a really cool atmospheric vibe to it

[@joeblack2800]

All due respect to Reznor but NIN hasn't ad a good song in 20+ years. To this day Manson is cranking out some incredible albums. NIN only ever had about four good albums in the 90s.. Manson's career and body of work far exceeds Reznors short lived success. And don't even bring up the garbage he does now with Atticus Ross for movie soundtracks.. Background noise..

[@rickstalentedtongue910]

Didn't know he had a good album. I'll be damned.

[@DeathMetalRob]

It's amazing what happened to both these guys, trent is a family man with oscars, his health and still musically relevant. manson is completely destroyed and commercially a non factor. who would have thought?

[@eringursky3503]

Yep. Can't believe the awful things he has done. It gets more twisted and creepy. Sick. When Evan Rachel Wood first said something I didnt believe it. Then all these other women came out. Then I just read some sick stuff he said about her son. I won't type it. I take someone like Al Jorgensen anyway.I liked Trent more back in the day.

[@kaydgaming]

From Head Like a Hole to Old Town Road

[@rael2099]

Nah, Reznor keeps pumping out records, but they have been mediocre at best. Sure, sober, married, and mature, but just as dead as the suburban town he grew up in.

[@KaplyaNikotina]

@@eringursky3503 You are so funny girl

[@codytheprick8554]

@@eringursky3503 Yeah although I agree manson Is fucking weird, smart and potentially a good groomer.. evan Rachel wood was an amazing fucked up child actress.. just watch thirteen and you can already tell she was 'gone' before manson got in contact with her. I believe he has done messed up things but let's not neglect to mention how the "me too" "movement" and "black lives matter" "movement" "antifa" "movement" all are excuses to mess up actual real civil rights problems by thwarting it in whoever the person decides is a victim

[@metalinl-a1128]

Fun Facts: Trent Reznor gets inducted into the Rock N Roll Hall Of Fame for 35 + years of groundbreaking work.

[@Ween1776]

I absolutely love Trent's acceptance speech into the rock n roll hall of fame. It's perfecf

[@ViviPestilenz]

it wasn't groundbreaking. Look up Skinny Puppy.

[@dustinprewitt]

Fun fact: the rock and roll hall of fame is as irrelevant as the grammys

[@Christian-97]

@@dustinprewitt I agree. Still want King Crimson and Gorillaz to get in, though...

[@mistertagomago7974]

@@ViviPestilenz Skinny Puppy is vastly superior to Nine Inch Nails

[@jasoncombs3232]

Oh the 90's. Best decade of my life.

[@justincoleman3805]

Unfortunately, the 90’s we look back fondly on was than a decade.

[@autumnsmith3585]

It was be Best, grittiest, most raw decade of Freedom Ever.

[@robashton8606]

I know, right? It seems like some kind of Golden Age now. Fantastic music. No social media pressure, no cancel culture, people could have different opinions and still be friends, people going to gigs to _enjoy the bands_ instead of trying to capture everything on their phones for their instagram. I feel bad for young people nowadays. If there really _is_ an afterlife, a "heaven" or whatever, it will be summer in the early 90s for me.

[@janespivey8315]

The 90's are already over!? WTH!? Where did the time go...

[@robashton8606]

@@janespivey8315 Oh crap! Quick nurse, the valium! We've got ourselves a nineties castaway here and she's gonna need sedating - heavily - before 2021 makes her mind explode! It's going to be okay, sis! Just take deep breaths and think of Eddie Vedder. For Christ's sake, someone put Badmotorfinger on the stereo, or she'll start going into shock!

[@shunt5001]

"The Fragile" was BRILLIANT

[@considerthis410]

Trent is sober and grew up.

[@randalstilskin5266]

Reznor has real talent and did some great electronic rock albums Manson always was just a gimmick even his music, I mean hes alright but Trent is tiers above him.

[@ScottShedd123]

You are right total gimmick

[@joeblack2800]

All due respect to Reznor but NIN hasn't ad a good song in 20+ years. To this day Manson is cranking out some incredible albums. NIN only ever had about four good albums in the 90s.. Manson's career and body of work far exceeds Reznors short lived success. And don't even bring up the garbage he does now with Atticus Ross for movie soundtracks.. Background noise..

[@gabrielafonseca4034]

The fact that Manson isn't really playing in the Gave Up video and that his best songs are actually covers just tells me he was flavor of the month. Trent is incredibly talented.

[@youthfulcurmudgeon3627]

I heard it was because they worked together in the recording studio (or at least attempted to), but MM was more interested in doing drugs and fooling around with hookers and wasn't really interested in getting anything done. Trent Reznor has said he was extremely unprofessional in his approach to the music business.

[@PapaRikkiBalls]

In Manson's bio he said the second album they made together was the hardest because everyone including Trent was on drugs so they couldn't get anything done, there was a incident where Trent decided to set a mixing board on fire and MMs bassist decided to roast marshmallows on it. It was Manson who decided to get clean so he could finish the album.

[@mariogallego5513]

@@PapaRikkiBalls exaaaactly bro. I love Trent but he's so pretentious that he forgets those times.

[@r.edward5701]

@@mariogallego5513 hypocrisy

[@billybats4745]

Mario Gallego Trent is and always has been a poser

[@youthfulcurmudgeon3627]

@@billybats4745 And what does that make MM? "For Real" LOL?

[@ilznidiotic]

I lived in New Orleans at the same time as Reznor in 2003-4, and we hung out at the same bars (well, bar). He was not sober at that time. I never saw him doing drugs (though that bar had a reputation), or getting out of control, but he was definitely still drinking.

[@SuperBroncosguy]

Sometimes being "sober" means getting away from 'take away drugs'. Maybe he had a coke problem??

[@chrismccormick9959]

He definitely wasn’t sober in 2001, that fact is wrong

[@juanedangerously]

No one likes a snitch.

[@dickslaughter2]

Ye man I was friends with trent too we used to drink and smoke cigarettes together. Nothing harder. I also used to shoot up with kurt Cobain

[@hwoods-kg1jf]

@@dickslaughter2 i'm so sure all of this is true lmfao and my father is John Travolta lmfao get outta here!

[@cjb2749]

Trent Reznor is a musical genius. I would be taking any and all of his suggestions for my music without argument, and just say thank you. He was 100% right about 'I put a spell on you'. Luckily for Manson, 'Sweet dreams' is also excellent. Not AS good, but close enough.

[@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns]

I would take any and all of his suggestions for music before about 2006 or 2007.

[@nasticanasta]

Lol he was absolutely the worst, saw him open for Bowie….Bowie made fun of him

[@Ween1776]

@@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns he has alot of good songs after 2006-07, just not as many. He wanted to try different things and not just keep doing the same thing over and over. I can respect that

[@solearesoul]

@@nasticanasta who are you saying is the worst? Manson or Reznor?

[@bryandaves1005]

@@nasticanasta wtf are you talking about? Bowie and Reznor shared the stage regularly on that tour and Bowie counted Reznor as a true friend and exceptional musician and producer. Bowie hand picked NIN to open on that tour because he loved the music

[@user-rw2dq3vp9t]

i love how trent reznor says he grew up and mm is still trying to be like he was in 1996

[@robforrest2069]

8:31 I was at that concert at MSG. And let me tell you, when Manson walked out on stage and joined in on Starfuckers, Inc...the crowd went ballistic!! It was deafening!!! So damn cool to see!!

[@sivad18]

APC opening for that show was just the icing on the cake. What an amazing show.

[@jeffwalker6815]

Everything good about MM was made by the band and Trent. Manson's real talents were manipulating the media and putting together his earlier stage shows but other than that he just dryhumps the air while moaning bad middle school poetry.

[@JeffScottKing]

I stand by thinking that Mechanical Animals was the best relative phase of Manson's career, due to a mix of Michael Beinhorn's production, Zim Zum's guitar work, and him basically ripping off one '70s Bowie move after another. Beyond that and the song he did with the Sneaker Pimps for the Spawn soundtrack... yeah, I pretty much agree.

[@quoththeraven3985]

Jealous much!.....top 3 best concert I ever seen 1-Metallica (before the haircuts) 2-Garth Brooks (mid 90s) 3-Manson (anytime,anywhere life changing experience)

[@TheRustedShackleford]

@@quoththeraven3985 I don't think anyone on this planet, with the actual mental and emotional capacity of an adult, would ever be "jealous" of Marilyn Manson.

[@night_speed]

You're absolutely right. Once Daisy(rip) left and Trent stopped producing it was never the same. After Antichrist Superstar the songs lost all character.

[@fungus_am0nguz644]

@@quoththeraven3985 hmm have uver seen NIN live?? Talk about life changing experience haha but yeah MM is also very good live.

[@nelliesilvers1210]

Reznor's and Manson's song 'Gave Up' (filmed in The Tate Murder house) will always be one of my most favourite songs. An awesome compilation. Out of the two, I've always much preferred Trent/NIN but both are masters of the craft in their own right and Manson's done some epic work. His covers are extremely well done as he put his own spin on them but kept the respect for the originals there. Edit- Thank fuck Trent broke up with and left Courtney and got off the smack otherwise another great star could've fallen hard and faded too soon. Everyone warned him to run...to not end up a drug fucked, ruined, hard-ridden mess like Cobain. Starfuckers Inc is definitely a middle finger to Love out of retaliation. Not only is it obvious but it's been admitted.

[@ajx117]

Terrible

[@nelliesilvers1210]

@@ajx117 If you meant my comment...thanks. You thought enough of it to leave a comment🤷🏻‍♀️

[@dr.floridamanphd]

What do you mean like Cobain? Kurt was in the process of getting sober and even hired a divorce attorney. He knew Nirvana was over and was planning his future when he was killed.

[@scifydi6446]

I agree fully with you. I’ve always liked both but was more partial to NIN. I think Manson does the best remixes though. I love You’re So Vain and You Spin Me Right Round. Courtney is a gross nut job I don’t know why or how anybody would want her. I’m embarrassed to admit I used to like Hole.

[@Ween1776]

@@scifydi6446 nothing wrong with liking Hole. That had some pretty good songs back in the day, Courtney's always been a tool though

[@strangescottvoiceacting5351]

>2017 "Aw man, music's not dangerous anymore like you were, you were great!" >2021 "Manson's always been horrible guize! I cut ties with him 25 years ago!" Pick one, Trent.

[@cormacthem8406]

Manson never left nothing records, he stayed on the label until it’s disintegration in the late 2000’s. He was then directly with the parent company Interscope until he left (or was dropped by record head Jimmy Iovine depending on who you believe)

[@dirt0133]

Yeah, I'm from Trent Reznors small town. :) My cousin and he were/are close friends...

[@denimdan908]

I really loved NIN back in the 90s, but Trent has no room to call anyone a nerd after playing keyboard for that horrific 80s pop band Slam Bamboo.

[@charlesdarwin7253]

0:59 "Trent Reznor moved to Cleveland, Ohio, in 1985, when he was only 23 years old." *Actually he was 20*

[@Sindollx666x]

They always seem to leave out in the Nine Inch Nails music video for "Gave Up" filmed in the Tate-Labianca murder house, that at the time, Manson had not yet learned to play guitar, but Trent wanted him in the video, so Manson is PRETENDING to play guitar in that music video. I always loved that. When Closure/Halo 12, came out I was so obsessed with it I often had one of the two vhs tapes playing in the background no matter what I was doing in my room/ home. Whenever Gave Up video game on not only did it give me goosebumps but I had to tell anyone who didn't know that Manson factoid, as well as the notorious location (which Trent eventually felt guilty about having/using after Sharon Tate's sister asked him if he was using the house to exploit her sisters death, and had the original home demolished. All except the front door which he kept and had at Nothing records.) I was always entranced by that video, between Sexy Trent and Sexy young Manson with eyebrows and long hair...good gods my first love looked like their lovechild. I swooned every time it came on.

[@a.q.5775]

I always kept away from MM, was more into NIN and my best friend dug M, we kinda played that into our own lives (rip Transhumanguttersteeze) and we grew up waaaay after peak either band/artist. I’m not too big on either anymore, prolly listen to Manson more, but I love learning all these things about them both especially what you mentioned about “Gave Up.” Had no idea that was at El Cielo. Weird mix of chilling and rad to know that. We do need dangerous music again, I love trap but it’s so clean and over saturated it doesn’t feel like it’s looks or it’s lyrics at all.

[@ViviPestilenz]

It's a music video, they usually pretend everything in a music video.

[@JustaGirlinCleveland]

@@ViviPestilenz Naw, they dont usually have an artist faking that he can play.

[@WhatTheFrack]

This feud was just what the 90s needed. Great video!

[@yuothineyesasian]

"Unique and pertinent like do an exact cover or replica..." That's what Down In It is, Trent.

[@gatovolador7618]

I remember hearing pretty hate machine my junior year of HS and feeling it was both completely relatable and cutting edge, unique compared to the status quo at the time, thinking this guy trent has the potential to become huge if his subsequent releases maintain this level of intensity and innovative sounds. Manson just seemed really schticky and only a few songs really struck a chord with me or ever got much replay in my musical diet.

[@willking1868]

On youtube "Manson Family Album" has been posted in its entirety. It was a finished album before Manson decided he didn't like it and wanted it re-produced. The album that Trent was asked to re-produce and became "Portrait of an American Family". Manson and the Spooky Kids recorded the entire album before Trent heard it. Its almost exactly the same. Trent didn't like the drumming (rightfully so) and they re-recorded it with a drum machine and raised Manson's vocals up in the mix. I think Trent's production is better but he fundamentally changed absolute nothing about the songs. There are a few songs that are actually much better on the original album "Cyclops" being the most agreed upon example. Listen to the two albums back to back and you will inevitable get confused as to which is which cause they are so similar. Trent gets waaaaaay to much credit for Manson's success. Scott Putesky aka Daisy Berkowitz and Gidget Gein aka Bradley Mark Stewart deserve much more credit for the way that album came out.

[@timhalo7898]

Yeah, he only signed him, gave him a direct opening slot on a huge national tour, produced his albums, co wrote a large chunk of his break through album (Portrait was different because Daisy wrote most of it; Antichrist is basically a nin album with manson's vox and concept). But yeah, Trent had nothing to do with it. EYe roll. Not only that, Mechanical is mostly BillY corrigan. Manson is a hack.

[@willking1868]

@@timhalo7898 Yeah sure, funny how Mechanical Animals was even bigger and more critically acclaimed, no Trent and a different producer. Then Holy Wood also a different producer than MA. The Golden age of Grotesque also a different producer from the previous album. So on and so on. If he was a hack he wouldn't have done anything without Trent by your assessment. Like I said before the proof is that Manson Family Album has the exact same songs on it as Portrait with almost no changes to any song structure, lyrics ect. Trent did a better job with the production yes. But do you think Trent put so much stake into Manson if he thought he was a hack? Please, get serious. And for the record Antichrist Superstar had 4 producers. Also I believe 8 out of the 9 Manson albums that Trent had nothing to do with debuted in the Billboard top 10.

[@point-xn4tu]

@@timhalo7898 "Antichrist is basically a nin album with manson's vox and concept)" But isn't that what's so great about it?! We will never get that again, since these two are no longer on good terms, thanks to Manson fucking it up. BTW, who remembers the kickass remixes from Antichrist, such as "The Horrible People"? kzbin.info/www/bejne/np60h2B3qLJji8U

[@rottnfren]

I love Trent Reznor. He's a genius.

[@datsunlambchops4624]

@Russian Bot best reply award!! Nice!

[@clockworkcookie]

Damn, both MM and NIN were fire back in the day. We have lots of good bands today but nothing that captures that spirit of rebellion, anger and mayhem like they did. I miss those days.

[@2008WasPeak]

"lots" HA! maybe like 2 max

[@tcswag801]

Portrait of an American family was an underrated album

[@kaydgaming]

After that article, Trent went on to write a couple thousand songs over a LOOONG career.

[@ledhendrix5054]

Trent is unbelievably talented , his song Hurt saved me

[@8301TheJMan]

Especially the acoustic, (piano) version on youtube. I stumbled across it not that long ago and it was so fucking haunting a couldn't help but ball my eyes out. After years of opiate addiction, i have always forged a deep connection with any songs about addiction, and that one is a perfect example of it. If you really loved him, you should check out Mr Meeble, they/he was a one-album wonder from like 13 years back, there are specifically a couple of songs on that album that you have to at least check out, they are easily two of the greatest songs about drug addiction ive eve heard, and very similar sounding to NIN's "Hurt." The songs are "100 Pills" and "Ton of Bricks, (the former being one of my favorite songs of all time - period, with the latter being much more similar to NIN than the other). It's a real shame they didn't make more music because they had a lot of talent/promise, and a number of great songs on that.

[@Rob.DB.]

You mean they're version of Johnny Cash's song,"Hurt" saved you. I am glad you are better off for hearing NIN's cover. Many people make many covers, but all should acknowledge their original composer's & at least listen to the entire song , at least just once, to hear "WHY" they decided to cover it. I am a big fan of covers & appreciate how each is done. Johnny Cash was a bad-azz!!!

[@Rob.DB.]

-JOHNNY CASH- !!!

[@ledhendrix5054]

@@Rob.DB. what , Trent Wrote the fuckin song J Cash covered it. Jeez

[@RockyHoarderPictureShows]

@@ledhendrix5054 Lol yeah.

[@ferrisbueller9991]

NIN is like if Marilyn Manson put out more than 3 good songs that were all covers which all revolved around the visual gimmick. Trent is extremely talented. Plays multiple instruments while Manson doesn't and still is objectively a better vocalist. As in he can sing normally.

[@3DevilDog]

I don't take sides. I listen to music. If the music rocks, I buy it. Get it done.

[@ornamentalhermit333]

you don't feel remorse whenever you listen to a serial rapist?

[@3DevilDog]

@@ornamentalhermit333 is he singing about serial rape?

[@EarlSmith2469]

Manson couldn't hold Reznor's jock strap. Trent Reznor is the man.

[@bryanmckinney1098]

I take Trent's side on this. Trent always struck me as more of an artist. While Manson is more of the "RockStar." My favorite Mason stuff was when he was with Trent. At least they both have the good sense to agree Courtney Love is a vile human being.

[@BobJones-sr2mv]

Wait ! Courtney is human ??

[@bryanmckinney1098]

@@BobJones-sr2mv Good point... lmao!

[@mimseydemon1844]

I thought it was more difference of Trent wanted to be a musician and Manson wanted to be a cult leader. His recent appearances with Kanye kinda lean into cult.

[@point-xn4tu]

Yeah, but the difference is: Manson actually stooped so low as to tour with her. :-)

[@bryanmckinney1098]

@Repeeel19 Amendment And talented too....

[@GrapPro]

Arch Deluxe was a quality insult

[@deansley174]

🤣👍

[@jennyprorock]

Seen them open for NIN in 94. Loved that first album. After that they started to suck. But the summer of 94..that album was magical for my first year on my own as a kid. What I'd give to relive 1994 again..

[@MrProng999]

Sounds similar to my experience

[@counterfeitmistress7140]

Let's put it this way, I've been a fan of Reznor for 25 years and he never spit in my mouth, making me sick as fuck for 2 weeks. Manson did. Fucking nasty. Who spits at their fans?

[@XAnuritaX]

Oh my god

[@zeezzuu6481]

what a weird lie to make up, lmao

[@Mel-qs8wx]

Damn, but you think that’s bad??… MANY Woman have abuse allegations towards him

[@zeezzuu6481]

@@Mel-qs8wx they're called allegations for a reason

[@TheJepps1]

For such "dangerous" guys, they both seem to have the personalities of teenage girls.

[@Peem_pom]

Why insult teenage girls tho

[@TheJepps1]

@@Peem_pom fair point

[@JhonNye96]

What did Reznor do wrong?

[@nharber9837]

lol the whole thing was basically a messy girls fight over a simple misunderstanding in the bathroom at school. Smeared makeup, twisted ankles from heels and all.

[@usernotfound904]

“Unethical procedures used to get information from Manson” I.e. gave him some fire dope 💉 💥

[@mitchelvalentino1569]

“Arch Deluxe” 🍔😂

[@PizzaChet]

No contest. Trent has a million times more creativity, class and maturity in his pinky.

[@bink]

I'm not sure if he's such a great guy either from some of the (supposedly true) stories I've heard but he's infinitely more talented than Manson in my opinion, one of the greatest artists of our time. That said, I like both of them as artists, I just like Reznor way more.

[@thrgg]

The creativity part is subjective, but Trent was the one being immature when bad mouthing Manson while Manson took it in stride.

[@michealrosen]

@@thrgg there's actually alot not covered in this video I remember seeing footage between 2000 and 2010 of Manson talking trash about Trent several times

[@thrgg]

@@michealrosen interesting

[@brianmclendon1647]

Loved this episode and I love Manson & Reznor’s music

[@DielectricFailure]

_Both are good in their own styles. However, I have to say the skills Trent has is insanely incredible! 🎵 Awesome documentary!_

[@enabler2456]

Trent Reznor is a human being, Marilyn Manson is a character that never stopped being played...

[@samorozco2002]

This friendship reminds me of my past. Having a friend that you did everything with, which is mostly getting into trouble, then you graduate from HS, and it's time to grow up, get a job ,be responsible, while your friend wants none of that. You just have to be away from this friend before he drags you down with him. Trent grew up, got married, had a great career without much of the drama. Manson also has had a great career, but he's also been in and out of trouble with the law, taken to court many times, lost his band, and now he's really in trouble due to all of these women claiming he did stuff to them.

[@vgaportauthority9932]

First priority after HS is to get rid of as many deadbeat assholes you can and then move on. Either that, or join the deadbeat losers and assholes and live that life. I chose the latter. Probably not the right call. And by probably I mean definitely.

[@Hugatree1]

That is a great analogy.

[@TheAmbientMage]

Trent had so much drama though. He's been through the ringer.

[@dr.floridamanphd]

Manson’s biggest problem is that he fell in to the same trap as Alice Cooper’s Vincent Furnier (AKA Alice Cooper). He got lost in the character he created and became a monster of his own making. The primary difference is that Vince made it out alive. It’s unlikely Manson will live to see the end of the decade. I’m honestly surprised he’s not dead already.

[@jibicusmaximus4827]

@@TheAmbientMage everyone suffers.. correct..

[@ura3254]

As a NIN guy, Manson is still my guilty pleasure.

[@TheStrayHALOMAN]

Same, I like him more than Trent for political reasons since he leans right but Trent is a musician and singer. Manson is a great performer and speaker in interviews but his voice is way too nasally to sing lol.

[@Chrillin___]

@@TheStrayHALOMANfunny how Manson, the right winger that appeals to you, is also objectively a terrible person

[@TheStrayHALOMAN]

@@Chrillin___ Well how so, tell me about it?

[@Chrillin___]

@@TheStrayHALOMAN The various criminal trials and abuse allegations as well as his narcissistic personality not uncommon of a right winger

[@TheStrayHALOMAN]

​@@Chrillin___ I disagree whole heartedly, narcissism is universal no matter what side you're on it's not uncommon for either side. And as far as allegations go there have been alot of women in the past few years making false claims against alot of talented men so they can take their money. Women like Amber Heard, Evan Rachel Wood, Courtney Love, and Stormy Daniels. They lied or had to settle out of court... I'll take Alice Cooper's word about Manson and my own critical thinking with how alot of these gold diggers are coming after men.

[@MSHNKTRL]

8:37 I was there, it was like everybody breathed a sigh of relief before screaming their heads off-- A Perfect Circle opened the show,!

[@TheSaintedOne]

Trent, I (and I'm sure many others) would pay hard earned cash for a high quality re-release of "Portrait...", "Smells like Children", And "Antichrist Superstar".

[@wendynerd1199]

Hollywood fucking ruined Manson. Just completely. Trent could handle it because he knew how to look inward without navel gazing and just kept his eyes on solid goals like "Finish this album" and "Get Sober", "Try this new avenue musically", "Stay Sober", "Have a nice family", and "work with this person." The man still has most of the same friends he had when he was at his worst, just not Manson anymore (or that manager who ripped him off). Manson seems to go through friends and confidantes like popcorn. Manson was always more of a performer than a musician - there's nothing wrong with that, per se, except that it wreaks havoc when you combine that with, well, the Hollywood machine and a lack of someone to smack you over the head and go "You're becoming a douche, you douche. Stop douchifying yourself." I get the impression Trent wanted to be that for Manson until he just reached his limit. Look at what happened to Elvis for something very similar to what happened to Manson. His performance became his life and now he's got nothing else and he became his character. A very "the abyss gazes back" situation. He became what he used to lampoon and actually became the Boogeyman. Alice Cooper was able to dig himself out of that shit but I am not so sure about Manson. It's what would have happened to Ozzy if Ozzy didn't have Sharon breathing down his neck constantly (which, as many problems as I have with the woman, she is the reason that man survived past 1989). Every time I've read an article about Manson over the last 20 years there's always been a girlfriend in some creepy dynamic with him and at least a couple of new (always new) collaborators or friends who use the words "genius" and "artist" to describe him to the point where it sounds like stuff he's been diagnosed with. And there is nothing in this world that is going to make me think the opposite of you being a genius artist than that. Then there was that whole phase in the mid 2000s where he was accusing basically any band that ever wore black clothing and eye makeup of ripping him off. I feel like Kanye is going down the same path right now and it is really sad. The worst I can say for Trent is that he's kind of a snarky, gossipy bitch (and yes he fucking is, NIN fans, don't @ me. He 100% is. Whenever his interviews vere from the topics of music and personal demons it's Yenta fucking city) but I kind of love him for that since he's pretty on point most of the time, and willing to give credit where it's due even when he fucking hates the person (see: his support of Courtney Love's speech on how record companies fuck over artists even though this was years after the "three inch nails" debacle). So much of Manson's old music fucking slaps but nothing has grabbed me since the Holy Wood days. Reznor still puts out good music, even if all of it isn't A+ all the time. And his film scores are great. That being said: it's pretty rich for Reznor to call Manson a nerd when Reznor is a fucking Theater Kid.

[@cosmickatamari]

I ran into Reznor in the past, several times in New Orleans and he was never mean to me. I ran into Manson once at an airport and he was an absolute piece of shit.

[@rrsjr]

They thought they'd be Bowie and Iggy; they became Ike and Tina.

[@maninahole]

I met them both back in the 70's. Mansion was working in a McDonald's drive thru and trent was working as a line man for the county. Lovely guys.

[@JPPW1982]

I'll be honest. I absolutely loved this Era of Marilyn Manson.

[@iloveyouchad69]

It was definitely the best Manson era though the more recent albums are pretty decent.

[@DeidresStuff]

That's the thing. Marilyn Manson is great. Brian Warner is horrible.

[@tracyfrederick5606]

Damn I miss that time 😭

[@triggerwarning9725]

Their feud is make believe. Great marketing technique.

[@julianjv7325]

The first time I heard Marylin Manson was almost by accident, me and a friend when we were fourteen we were playing basketball in a park when we both saw the Mechanical Animals album on the floor, so we both took turns each one week the album to listen to in our houses, it was one of the best times of my life in the 90s.

[@alsofrightened1]

"Mistreated an inebriated woman..." Talk about dancing around words.

[@azulgarrett6305]

The 1st time I saw NIN was at a bar in Dallas late 80s Pretty Hate Machine tour. A few years later Nirvana played across the street at Trees. Those were the days, Deep Ellum was Awesome!

[@RedDragon-yp3tg]

Shame what happened between these two. I've been listening to them both, and seen both in concert since their careers began. There aren't any musicians around like them anymore, which is a shame.

[@Maialeen]

It's not a shame. Marilyn Manson is a complete monster.

[@RedDragon-yp3tg]

@@Maialeen got proof? All I’ve seen are allegations of events that supposedly happened decades ago. . His ex wife and ex gf both said he didn’t treat them poorly. Sorry. I don’t subscribe to “listen and believe.” Show me proof. Otherwise, just allegations.

[@ohwellwhateverr]

@@Maialeen People who character-assassinate others based on unsubstantiated remarks are monsters

[@riverlake4642]

There are definitely still musicians like them, just as there will always be boomers who can't appreciate anything out of their stubborn and narrow view of quality and talent

[@roymartin500]

I just gained a lot of respect for Trent Reznor

[@jaymesnin]

He just helped produce Halsey's new record too. Which I think is pretty cool.

[@rhcpdragon746]

@@jaymesnin fuck Halsey but that’s pretty cool

[@kaydgaming]

@@rhcpdragon746 she is kinda mean

[@rhcpdragon746]

@@kaydgaming yea and dumb

[@evonnastrange1242]

@@kaydgaming What makes her mean?

[@JiggidyJives]

I saw NIN open for Skinny Puppy at 9:30 Club in Washington, D.C. Because of the small size of the stage and it being set up for Puppy, Trent and another dude were sitting on the floor of the stage with Trent on synth and the other dude playing an electronic drum kit. No one was really into what they were playing and kept chanting, “Skinny Puppy!”. I felt bad for them, but not long after that they blew up and the rest is history.

[@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns]

"Solo" artists in metal are such an unusual thing.

[@nicoffee777]

Ozzy Osbourne?

[@ac9559]

That is an interesting point, I never thought of that. So much of heavy metal is the group mentality.

[@memitim171]

Marilyn Manson is both the name of the band and the frontman, he's not and never was a solo artist.

[@mrreef2450]

What a crazy story also well done on it to the channels creator and anyone who helps him

[@LaurieValdez-zk3dy]

Thank you very much. Philadelphia USA 🇺🇸