Ningguang VS Navia VS Eula

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@afsdfsadhasfh
@afsdfsadhasfh 10 ай бұрын
Ideally you wouldn't E twice on Ning in a row. It has a energy particle 6 second cooldown, so in a quick swappy team (like with Navia) she can E->Q->CA and then come back 6 seconds later to E again, and a 3rd time in the same rotation (maybe Q+CA asyncronously as well) to generate particles 3 times. If you do that, then Ning isn't just another DPS on the team, she's also the best Geo battery in the game. So there's some role compression going on as well, her value doesn't depend on "how much DPS she does" alone. The logic holds if it's a team with XL/Bennett where Pyro particles are valuable for XL. If you replace her with something like Furina to buff Navia/Ning then Bennett being on-field to generate particles becomes kind of useless, and Ning switching in to battery herself and Navia becomes more useful. Because that's what Navia allows. Everybody's assuming every Geo has to be played with Zhongli, but is 20% Geo Shred even worth using a character that does 0 damage with a shield you don't really care about? Feels like the point of Ning now is to play her WITH Navia.
@asdf_asdf948
@asdf_asdf948 10 ай бұрын
The proper rotation to get 2 sets of particles from double casting jade screen is eqcn1e
@totsbig
@totsbig 10 ай бұрын
This. I even pair Ning as quickswap dps WITH Noelle. Shit's good too. That Geo Damage bonus on Jade Screen entry is another underrated aspect of Ning's kit.
@cym104
@cym104 10 ай бұрын
i'd say edqce would be enough, which also ensures ning herself gets the geo damage buff from jade screen.@@asdf_asdf948
@StanTheWoz
@StanTheWoz 10 ай бұрын
Geo MC generates the same number of particles but on a 6s skill cooldown, for what it's worth. Plus a 10% crit rate buff to all party members inside the burst. I think they're legitimately a pretty good option. I do think people are overrating Zhongli and underrating other options for Navia. Unless you get his pillar to actually hit the enemy for most of the rotation, you'll get much more consistent energy from one of the aforementioned units. And Navia's energy requirements are high enough that it will matter somewhat unless you have C1 or are using an ER weapon or sands.
@asdf_asdf948
@asdf_asdf948 10 ай бұрын
@@StanTheWoz return of microwave??
@mandolen3317
@mandolen3317 10 ай бұрын
Eula is for people who can comfortably build multiple meta teams for every Abyss.
@leukos22
@leukos22 10 ай бұрын
While largely true, a big plus for her is that her teams don't require heavily contested supports like Xingqiu. Even Bennett isn't core to her teams and can be replaced.
@thesebas3090
@thesebas3090 10 ай бұрын
And still choose to use her because why not haha
@552jacki3
@552jacki3 10 ай бұрын
Me who has built multiple meta teams yet still stubbornly suffer through abyss with Eula 🤡
@mandolen3317
@mandolen3317 10 ай бұрын
@@552jacki3 i sometimes do that tooo but after I 36abyss with my comfortable teams
@ClayMatu
@ClayMatu 10 ай бұрын
@@552jacki3 Having hu tao, baal etc yet choosing to fight coppelia with eula and no zhongli truly is a mood
@themaladaptiveotter
@themaladaptiveotter 10 ай бұрын
As someone maining Ning a lot, it’s just as well that I find her quickswap-y style to be really helpful in preparing for the next rotation, esp when running with the standard benny-xiangling comp on the team since that one requires a bit of energy management. Her dmg does indeed take a nosedive outside of the burst + charged, so I agree with the points made that it’s not usually recommended to stay on-field with Ning for too long.
@ochouve1723
@ochouve1723 8 ай бұрын
I read this title now and I think Navia was really underrated, the response to the title is pretty clear
@StanTheWoz
@StanTheWoz 10 ай бұрын
Zajef needs to explain some of his baseline assumptions better. How the hell are you getting 25k dps on Bennett? Is there some cracked-out Bennett build that's just assumed as a baseline?
@user-cc8qq9yu6y
@user-cc8qq9yu6y 10 ай бұрын
He does have a bias and it showed before. just keep that in mind bc although most of the info is good and valid, sometimes its skewed or have parts overlooked unintentionally.
@raulm.3524
@raulm.3524 10 ай бұрын
My Bennet does that damage pretty easily with his burst. IDK if that's what he means tho
@azureaurelia5381
@azureaurelia5381 10 ай бұрын
@@raulm.3524 Damage per hit isn't the same as dps.
@oppa5346
@oppa5346 10 ай бұрын
​​​@@raulm.3524if your benny burst can do 200k damage in a team with 20s rotation, it would be 200/20 = 10k dps. Assuming 25k dps on benny without him onfielding spamming E and mistsplitter is unrealistic.
@raulm.3524
@raulm.3524 10 ай бұрын
@@oppa5346 Oh I see, thanks for the explanation
@lol-ot7ng
@lol-ot7ng 10 ай бұрын
i wish mr zajef would go over the best 4 star on field dps's tbh, it would be a very interesting video for example yanfei vs heizou vs ning vs idk noelle maybe ?? especially since most of them are catalysts lol. and maybe comparing their dmg to older 5 star dps's like diluc, keqing, klee. would love to see a video like that
@cris9260
@cris9260 10 ай бұрын
keqing and klee>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>diluc
@twinkiesmaster69
@twinkiesmaster69 10 ай бұрын
its yanfei saved you a vid
@O_RLY
@O_RLY 10 ай бұрын
Have you seen thundering furry?
@lol-ot7ng
@lol-ot7ng 10 ай бұрын
@@O_RLY yes ofc but im not talking abt purely em builds, more personal dmg
@lol-ot7ng
@lol-ot7ng 10 ай бұрын
@@twinkiesmaster69 as a triple crowned yanfei main, im probably biased when i say ur right but i'd still like to see a vid going over it, comparing each of their dmg. i think it'd be rly interesting
@glory_m99
@glory_m99 10 ай бұрын
There's an option in the setting to mute the game while minimizing I hope I helped someone :)
@luzivertx
@luzivertx 10 ай бұрын
Best news ever 🤣🙏🏼
@menarg1549
@menarg1549 10 ай бұрын
man they really need to stop releasing characters without their supports huh
@asterion3587
@asterion3587 10 ай бұрын
Why wasn't the current Eula Bis team used? (Mika C6/Furina/Eula/Raiden). I mean, the point with Navia is that she still doesn't have a team with full synergy, right?
@tastyswitchcardtridge
@tastyswitchcardtridge 10 ай бұрын
Who the hell has Mika C6 other than whales? He's too recent and hasn't been on any super popular banners
@jukesdtj656
@jukesdtj656 10 ай бұрын
@@tastyswitchcardtridge.... The people who play Eula? The Banner he was on?
@Syokool
@Syokool 10 ай бұрын
​@@tastyswitchcardtridgemany ppl lost their savings for mika c6, at least least anyone playing Eula bc there's that much of a difference between mika c6 and Benet c5.
@Syokool
@Syokool 10 ай бұрын
Not just Navia but the whole geo camp. They can't work together with other elements besides electro for physical shredding or Hydro for defense uptime, they don't use anemo or dendro, cryo is worst geo friend and there are not exceptional pyro applicators. She uses cristalization an yet you are obliged to play only 1 other element. For dps, XQ, then you have 3 geo including Gorou, or 2 + Furina, and yet again the only good geo healer is Zhongli c6. Geo in general is riddled with problems that basically makes funny comparing any geo char with any other element char.
@aly8542
@aly8542 10 ай бұрын
It's just to compare the dps between eula and navia, and even if he compares her to that team would eula solo damage outperform xiangling+bennet dps?
@AevyCh
@AevyCh 10 ай бұрын
You know what's better than one Navia? TWO Navias! You have triple nukes in this team. I have a feeling this will be a popular team for fast clears.
@HigakiRinne
@HigakiRinne 10 ай бұрын
The problem with two carries is that field time isn't endless and a lot of uptime gets chomped right up by switch and skill animations and you'll probably even struggle to fit everything into buff windows depending on the comp. I think the only double-carry comp that at least was speedrun-viable at some point is C6 Raiden/C6 Yae and in that comp you can equally buff both and they both also benefit from each other and each other's uptime windows. That's not really the case for Navia and Ningguang.
@mhead1117
@mhead1117 10 ай бұрын
Cope more 😂
@irena4929
@irena4929 10 ай бұрын
Thats like saying having 4 on fielder...
@editimpact66
@editimpact66 10 ай бұрын
I can see it working on whale teams but that's about it lol
@dogo523
@dogo523 10 ай бұрын
​​@@HigakiRinnegoing as far as C6 speedrun level isnt what the comment above is referring to. Double carry teams like xiaoden and eula/raiden have been relatively common before, albeit not optimal, its still there and its an option for people who want to use their favorite characters
@donpetronio3166
@donpetronio3166 10 ай бұрын
Ning was my first character i got, even before Noelle. She carried my account in the early game so hard. And i never got any Ning constellation. Hppe Ning is on the Navia banner, and somehow i got lucky and C6 her
@atriyakoller136
@atriyakoller136 9 ай бұрын
As far as I know Ning isn't on Navia's banner. I played Ning a ton early game (she was my second main after Kaeya and first elemental main - I mained physical Kaeya back then) got her and C1 almost immediately, then spent over a year, 186 pulls on featured banners, god knows how many pulls on standard and non-featured banners just for C2 😢 and now I have her C3 after another lucky pull. She might be on the banner in 4.4 during lantern rite though
@phoenixlau
@phoenixlau 10 ай бұрын
Just spam speed tuned Bronya skill into Ning nuke, problem solved.
@spacenumber1149
@spacenumber1149 10 ай бұрын
so true
@firelight3806
@firelight3806 10 ай бұрын
I wish Zajef did some HSR. Him streaming GI almost everyday only makes him more depressed.
@NoahSteel-wx8ry
@NoahSteel-wx8ry 10 ай бұрын
Eula’s sneeze blows away the competition ;)
@danrowllet
@danrowllet 10 ай бұрын
lets goooooo yellow physical for the win!!! come home Navia
@nk30020
@nk30020 10 ай бұрын
All three of them are so preety, it's really hard for me to choose, probably go with Ning cuz she got that cash.
@mhead1117
@mhead1117 10 ай бұрын
Touch grass
@voreoh
@voreoh 10 ай бұрын
ur crying@ninatote6426
@catsarecooIl
@catsarecooIl 10 ай бұрын
​@ninatote6426clearly 💀
@columbinadamselettefan
@columbinadamselettefan 10 ай бұрын
ning + cashflow supervision canon omg??!!????!))!)
@fighting1fefnir
@fighting1fefnir 10 ай бұрын
Hey what is this dude talking about with Eula needing more time on field than Navia, he's calcing Eula burst DPS right? Eula burst is 7 seconds, Navia needs 7 seconds he says, and you hit Eula's skill once during the setup so she bursts instantly when she hits the field. She absolutely doesn't need 10 even seconds on field, everything is contained within that 7 second window, and if you actually use the number that shows before he adjusts it down for that fake time constraint Eula's significantly better than Navia even with this bad team that doesn't maximize her. Like I get it, he said he's too lazy to properly calc a character like Eula who doesn't really matter, but don't be out here just making shit up.
@Syokool
@Syokool 10 ай бұрын
Specially with Mika and Furina using favonius that makes Eula charge her energy as well, so it makes sense she stays only for that combo + burst. But I'm not surprised of Zajef making shit up.
@AuthorityCat
@AuthorityCat 10 ай бұрын
@@Syokool Yeah nobody knows how to play Eula and I'm fine with it. Furina did bump her out of dogshit tier, solved a lot of problems. I don't even have C6 Mika. Still it's a pretty scary team to play against bosses like Copellia. But I guess I'll let people self report that they want to just turn their brain off. What doesn't make sense is why those people are watching a theorycrafting video if they're going to close their eyes while playing the game anyway.
@AuthorityCat
@AuthorityCat 10 ай бұрын
I think he's including the burst animation which is totally fair and to this day her biggest weakness. That said he never mentions Furina or MH so idk. Most weapons prefer PF but I think it's disingenuous to ignore the synergy between Eula's signature weapon, Furina/MH and Raiden, well invested or not. Most of the holes that can be filled got patched up by Furina and I'd consider her near Xiao at least. Remember you have to calc C6 Mika against C6 Faruzan. Let's not act like Genshin TCers have ever been objective haha
@wolf4392
@wolf4392 10 ай бұрын
Do you know what hitlag is and how it makes Eula's fieldtime about 10-11s and not 7? While navia's is 7 after accounting fot hitlag extension.
@fighting1fefnir
@fighting1fefnir 10 ай бұрын
@@wolf4392 Hitlag slows down the character animation speed, not the game speed. The burst lasts 7 seconds, and it goes off in 7 seconds, every time. Eula just loses theoretical extra normal attack hits during the burst because of it, which means she can get a couple fewer stacks during the same timeframe.
@neilgondra7379
@neilgondra7379 10 ай бұрын
I find it ironic that, these 3 in my opinion have backloaded damage, I know that Eula is the most noticeable with her burst stacks but Ningguang though, needed to keep an eye on her jade screen for another 6+ gems for your burst damage to be doubled yet the jade screen is so destroyable while casting it in front of bosses sometimes messes up the rotation. On the other hand, Navia without her burst or geo character who can do crystallize reactions really hinders her bullet stacks plus her infusion is right after her using skill. Overall these 3 ladies needed good execution to output more damage than the likes of Neuvillete, Raiden, Yelan, etc.
@sandwich3659
@sandwich3659 10 ай бұрын
I saw Navia gameplay. She looks kinda easy to play
@rcd3118
@rcd3118 10 ай бұрын
@@sandwich3659looks can be deceiving
@sandwich3659
@sandwich3659 10 ай бұрын
@@rcd3118 Hell nah Just follow the rotation, it's not like Eula where you have a lot of troubles with doing it
@bromegaman5962
@bromegaman5962 10 ай бұрын
Ning's screen may break when it hits bosses, but you can kinda aim her skill by moving in the direction you want to place it. The hitbox is big too, so even if you aim it to the left or right of the enemy, it will often hit and not instantly break. It is a bit annoying, but with some practice it's not hard to manage.
@ataberk3539
@ataberk3539 10 ай бұрын
Childe has frontloaded dmg, alhaitam has frontload and backload dmg, raiden has frontload, shenhe has very big frontload dmg, also xiao has dmg shortage.
@drkInxgud
@drkInxgud 10 ай бұрын
Would be interesting to see the dps comparison of ning and navia in their best team/set. My ning does 31k per jade hit from her burst and 80k on her E in furina/bennett/zhongli team. And that is with just a 2pc/2pc. And this is in abyss.
@Axterix13
@Axterix13 10 ай бұрын
Even with the team he gives, the numbers he provides for Ning are off. In his video footage, where he says "about 30k" while he's hitting for 36k, and that's after screwing up the first wall placement, so without the extra 10% geo damage that the second wall drop should have. And I don't know how bad his build is (beyond being in the wrong set), but I do know mine would hit quite a bit harder than that if I played her with Benny and Zhongli (which I don't, because I don't use either). That said, I wouldn't run that Furina/Benny/Zhongli team, because he is right in that Ning's damage majorly drops off outside of her E, burst, and a C6 powered charge attack. Especially if your ping isn't great (and based on what I see in co-op, most people are 100+ on ping). I'd want another damage dealer on the team, one worth more than Zhongli's debuff. Ning's best team is likely to use Navia, in other words. At the end of the day, she is a four star, and four stars aren't great DPS. Even Xiangling, while strong and having that lack of ICD, will eventually be overcome by a five star, once we get a pyro one that doesn't suck at off-field damage.
@ladderlappen4585
@ladderlappen4585 10 ай бұрын
@@Axterix13 we will 100% never get another offield pyro dps, that applies as much pyro as xiangling, while snapshotting bennetts buff. mihoyo doesnt want any more high frequency elemental application. just look at the newest 3 archons. none of them can apply their elements as fast, as fischl, xiangling or xingqiu. and the best teams are still using xiangling. not neuvilette not alhaitham and not even really hu tao. theyre using xiangling.
@majoshit732
@majoshit732 10 ай бұрын
@@ladderlappen4585 nahida and raiden have faster application than fischl and xiangling (or at least very close to xiangling)
@wolf4392
@wolf4392 10 ай бұрын
Well navia's E does ~200k in her best teams (probably 250k+ if sig or serpent r5) and normals do 20-40k. Burst overall adds like 200k ish more dmg since it's individual dmg is low but hits 16-17 times.
@drkInxgud
@drkInxgud 10 ай бұрын
@@Axterix13 why would u not run furina? xiangling/benny/zhognli was ning's previous best team. in furina/benny/zhonli , ning's personal damage is higher, furina's dps also feels more than xiang ling(might be because my furina is c4 though).
@KategariYami
@KategariYami 10 ай бұрын
6:51 "Catalysts don't have Serpent Spine and not everyone uses Battle Pass" hold up: Serpent Spine is also a battle pass weapon. So catalysts have Solar Pearl, which is probably Ningguang's best weapon (at least her best 4*).
@Axterix13
@Axterix13 10 ай бұрын
I think that's his point, though poorly worded. SS is the most powerful BP weapon and Solar Pearl isn't as good. And many people don't have the BP, so even if SP was a SS skin-job, people would still have less than ideal choices. And since she's geo, it means one of the three Widsith buffs is kind of pointless on her.
@Yoanka
@Yoanka 10 ай бұрын
@@Axterix13 But then he went on to compare Widsith Ning to Serpent Spine Navia anyway. A fully F2P Blackcliff/Tital Shadow Navia would give quite a different result I bet.
@calvinwilson3617
@calvinwilson3617 10 ай бұрын
I think the core of his argument is that Serpent Spine is good for everyone, and its not really worth using one of your BP weapons to claim the catalyst which isn't really good to begin with
@yumikoishikawa3271
@yumikoishikawa3271 10 ай бұрын
He means that there's no catalysts that has a passive simillar to SS, because SS passive is broken. And not everyone has BP is true, not every player has BP because most of them are ftp
@aprildesy4133
@aprildesy4133 10 ай бұрын
but you fail to consider the ning is really pretty
@3.16music
@3.16music 10 ай бұрын
So?…
@Zarko.
@Zarko. 10 ай бұрын
So is Navia and Eula tho
@irena4929
@irena4929 10 ай бұрын
Literally irrelevant unless u compair to baizhu 💀
@vitarx3724
@vitarx3724 10 ай бұрын
so?
@arad4rling401
@arad4rling401 10 ай бұрын
And so?
@RuneKatashima
@RuneKatashima 10 ай бұрын
Second comment, your MV for Eula was lower than mine. Talents calculated 9, 7, 9. So 9th level Skill would do more. My MV came out to 5572.4. So you're missing about 330 MV. Using Furina complicates this but she's her best team mate. That said, you can almost fully stack it with Mika by the time Eula is on the field and you will by the time her sword drops. With Shatter and Superconduct padding damage, Furina off field and Raiden (who also buffs Eula's burst by 24% and can use Tenacity and Furina buffs Raiden's skill) she should do a lot more damage, especially as a team. I don't want to note my team numbers since I have C1 R1 Eula but only C1 Mika. But my Burst should theoretically do about 420k if the enemy starts with only 10% phys res. All this to say, you undersold Eula even outside Furina team. But like idk I'm not trying to be a dick about it. Just want to be able to make my claim and back it up with any info I can.
@user-rm3itr40rnd
@user-rm3itr40rnd 9 ай бұрын
Zajeff is one of those narrow-minded Eula-haters. He doesn't play her at all and only puts his efforts bullying her. Fuck him.
@akvirr7102
@akvirr7102 10 ай бұрын
Pre release of pre release
@wodwodli
@wodwodli 10 ай бұрын
"dont waste my time" she says whilst wasting time
@M1ndzor
@M1ndzor 10 ай бұрын
Don't know what these calculations are for when I'm gonna use both navia and ning on same team with bennet and furina.
@Catapilamila
@Catapilamila 10 ай бұрын
6:35 went to mute that shit IMMEDIATELY 😂
@MuhaamadAreeb
@MuhaamadAreeb 10 ай бұрын
So as a community, are we happy with navia? I think I am, she's a flexible unit that doesn't force you into a particular teams and does enough damage
@episode4882
@episode4882 10 ай бұрын
Geo Dehya
@sharkeatinpizza
@sharkeatinpizza 10 ай бұрын
​@episode4882 that's such a shit comparison; at least Navia works...the only value Dehya has gained since release was allowing C0 Neuvillette havers to enjoy stagger resistance and even then Zhongli is a better pick lmao
@mhead1117
@mhead1117 10 ай бұрын
Still mid tbh
@irena4929
@irena4929 10 ай бұрын
Doomed mid weapon trash cons
@MuhaamadAreeb
@MuhaamadAreeb 10 ай бұрын
@@mhead1117 ok but if wriothesley is mid then mid is good Cuz not everyone is alhaitham, Hu Tao and neuvillette you know
@zeromailss
@zeromailss 10 ай бұрын
My Eula team is Furina, Nahida and Kuki. I'm just lacking one more copy of Nahida and I'm set, last time I only got her to C1 cuz I got Jean instead. She destroy any abyss with ease, definitely my fav moral support edit: an alternative team is using Yelan/Xinqiu and Baizu with Raiden or FIschl for bloom which is also powerful, this team is pretty flexible tho the electro option is a bit limited rn oh and don't forget to use Fav on Eula and if you use Nahida C2 as support you can try using Deepwood on Eula and use max EM+Sub dps build on Nahida
@jello6996
@jello6996 10 ай бұрын
i also use eula in hyperbloom, eula furina baizu and em raiden , eula on hunters set and the team feels pretty comfy as well if u can fulfill the er needs of baizu and eula
@rizkyabd4372
@rizkyabd4372 10 ай бұрын
do you use Marechussy or Pale Flame set?
@raulm.3524
@raulm.3524 10 ай бұрын
I would use this team but what about the healing for Furina?? How does this work?
@pierrotzzz
@pierrotzzz 10 ай бұрын
​@@raulm.3524kuki is a healer, not a cookie
@Mr.MasterOfTheMonsters
@Mr.MasterOfTheMonsters 10 ай бұрын
How does that even generate energy?
@ElegantHysteria
@ElegantHysteria 10 ай бұрын
Ningguan with Bennett and Furina is very worth imo. My Ningguang can hit 30k per jade and her screen hits for like 100k, per rotation. What is that? Like... over 600k? For a geo 4 star, I think it's pretty good. Of course that requires two of the best supports in the whole game but I love Ning, lol.
@bhellzeboss7541
@bhellzeboss7541 10 ай бұрын
I tried it to right now, tbh my furina is whaled, and I have basically all damage catalyst, mine reached 44k per hit of the burst. Yeah pretty good. The two problem are that she does little after that, and you have a downtime. Hopefully navia will slot well in place of albedo (who was doing round 50k per proc, so not bad, I even tried golden troupe on him. Don't know if husk is still better.) And Bennet is not enought for furina in multiple rotation. First one ok, meaby second. After that you need to start off with Benny burst and Ning will not be able to use it properly.
@ElegantHysteria
@ElegantHysteria 10 ай бұрын
@@bhellzeboss7541 Well, my Furina is C6 😅😅 I just use Benny for Atk Buff, Furina handles the heals and Gorou is there for emotional support and R1 Elegy. Once I triple crown my Ningguang I'm sure I can break 40k too. Furina has made so many of my fave "out of meta" carries so viable. I'm so glad I whaled for her
@pronoun171
@pronoun171 10 ай бұрын
Zajef does not approve of your behavior, how dare you enjoy a character and invest in their supports to enjoy the game and your favorite characters? I bid you good day sir..I said good day!
@4777512
@4777512 10 ай бұрын
9:34 true excel moment right there.
@ars-br1ms
@ars-br1ms 10 ай бұрын
you know a character is "uhhh" tier when somebody compares them to eula
@irena4929
@irena4929 10 ай бұрын
True
@MrGshinobi
@MrGshinobi 10 ай бұрын
dawg he's comparing her to DILUC, it's soooooo over
@jsw973
@jsw973 10 ай бұрын
A random ass commenter compared her to Eula, Zajef proceeded to show why they're not comparable
@kingsky9813
@kingsky9813 10 ай бұрын
@@MrGshinobimy guy diluc is op why you talking down on him😂
@TherionX2.
@TherionX2. 10 ай бұрын
​@@kingsky9813real
@xochitl2527
@xochitl2527 10 ай бұрын
navia a4 should've been 40% atk not 20%
@Restributordevill
@Restributordevill 10 ай бұрын
Oh, so she is on THAT comparison level
@tompse6211
@tompse6211 10 ай бұрын
none of you have read navia’s skill.
@AuthorityCat
@AuthorityCat 10 ай бұрын
I guess Eula, Furina, Raiden, Mika doesn't exist?
@ViralwingX
@ViralwingX 10 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. Super-shatter is a thing now...
@ImagineCats9339
@ImagineCats9339 9 ай бұрын
he hates eula lmao
@lucasfreitas2245
@lucasfreitas2245 2 ай бұрын
That is probably one of the strongest teams in my account, it needed tons of artifact farming for eula though
@GaboRoccaM
@GaboRoccaM 10 ай бұрын
Is it possible to make a team with Navia and Ninguang as 2 dps? I don't care if it's very meta or not, but I do wonder if Navia is good option for Ninguang's old teams.
@RADZIO895
@RADZIO895 10 ай бұрын
if u don't care about meta u can make a team where barbara is the dps
@tonydai782
@tonydai782 10 ай бұрын
Yes, as Zajef said, Navia would be Navia's best teammate, meaning Ningguang will be decent with her, since they are similar.
@kingsky9813
@kingsky9813 10 ай бұрын
@@RADZIO895that’s literally a waste of resources 😂
@ArthurVingot
@ArthurVingot 10 ай бұрын
@@RADZIO895 I've seen some crazy Barbara vapes.
@glovs4188
@glovs4188 10 ай бұрын
​@@kingsky9813who cares? This game ended since pre 2.0. No point managing resources.
@mark241236
@mark241236 10 ай бұрын
compare navia on her best team vs eula meh team very good point that you made zajef
@Syokool
@Syokool 10 ай бұрын
This. Eula gets more from Fischl/Raiden + Mika c6 + Furina. That's the very best team that also helps with one of the worst things about Eula her ER. Since most Furinas as support should use Favonius, they help with that recharge by a whole lot.
@kolbalt8121
@kolbalt8121 10 ай бұрын
he was comparing team dps, so while eula’s best team will increase HER damage, the rest of them will be doing next to no damage (except fischl) meaning you lose out on xiangling+bennet damage which is just too high too ignore :/ I hate it too, but that’s the reality of it. 90% of teams you can just put xl and bennet and you’ll do enough damage to clear abyss. they’re just too strong.
@kolbalt8121
@kolbalt8121 10 ай бұрын
he was comparing team dps, so while eula’s best team will increase HER damage, the rest of them will be doing next to no damage (except fischl) meaning you lose out on xiangling+bennet damage which is just too high too ignore :/ I hate it too, but that’s the reality of it. 90% of teams you can just put xl and bennet and you’ll do enough damage to clear abyss. they’re just too strong.
@aly8542
@aly8542 10 ай бұрын
He's just comparing the dps between eula and navia dealt, and even if he compares her to that team would eula solo damage outperform xiangling+bennet dps?@@Syokool
@AuthorityCat
@AuthorityCat 10 ай бұрын
@@kolbalt8121 You do know Furina does damage right?
@sheevismycity4789
@sheevismycity4789 10 ай бұрын
Oh boy, this certainly is one of the thumbnails and titles of all time. Surely no one will be upset by a comparison video (Clueless) As zy0x says, zajef is very smart, and has almost exclusively good takes. But is terrible at making people not hate him. 😂
@ethanthepro3686
@ethanthepro3686 10 ай бұрын
Not saying I disagree, but this channel is unofficial
@sheevismycity4789
@sheevismycity4789 10 ай бұрын
@@ethanthepro3686 Good point.
@NoahSteel-wx8ry
@NoahSteel-wx8ry 10 ай бұрын
Why blur out the name of Navia’s normal attack and skill around @12:25 and then have it unblurred just seconds later @12:33 Weird editing choice, lmfao 😂 I didn’t know their names before this video, but am now aware that her normal attack is “Blunt Refusal” and her skill is “Ceremonial Crystalshot” Hope this video is not taken down like the Furina one was
@ProfessionalPizza7
@ProfessionalPizza7 10 ай бұрын
I find it funny how Zajef is doing this whole explanation on how things work and stuff, and the chat is just So is she good? bad? dead? worth? Like brother he is giving the info, process it and use your BRAIN you're literally watching a TC explain things.
@Btrayer-h2z
@Btrayer-h2z 8 ай бұрын
if only there wasn`t biased shit and misleading in this
@dott8348
@dott8348 10 ай бұрын
1:32 her dmg seemed impressive ngl
@F1ll1nTh3Blanks
@F1ll1nTh3Blanks 10 ай бұрын
And then you use a decent quick swap with similar investment and she doesn't look as impressive anymore.
@FBl
@FBl 10 ай бұрын
I’m going to get cooked but honestly it wasn’t impressive considering it was against the over world version of asimon.
@norco1606
@norco1606 10 ай бұрын
it doesn't really matter in this easy game@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks
@MrGshinobi
@MrGshinobi 10 ай бұрын
and then bennett does as much damage while being a support oml
@Ak-ce5wi
@Ak-ce5wi 10 ай бұрын
@@FBl to be fair, he had her on 4pc archaic which is probably the worst 4pc to use on her, any 2pc2pc is significantly better than it its pretty easy to hit 20k+ per star jade and like 60k+ on jade screen given the units he used.
@wolfafe
@wolfafe 10 ай бұрын
Eula mains rise up.
@DefinitelyNotAFerret
@DefinitelyNotAFerret 9 ай бұрын
Having both benny and xiangling on fav saves a LOT of headaches, and you honestly don't lose much time
@MrGshinobi
@MrGshinobi 10 ай бұрын
The fact that Zajef is comparing Navia to Ningguang, Eula and fucking DILUC is making me really scared on how good she'll be...
@jsw973
@jsw973 10 ай бұрын
Did you watch the video? He's showing why Navia is better than them, not comparable to them. She's not shit, she's just ok.
@MrGshinobi
@MrGshinobi 10 ай бұрын
@@jsw973 i did, but the fact that he needs to point out why navia is gonna be better than those characters is actually worrying, because it implies that it needs to be said for some reason
@Valsin
@Valsin 10 ай бұрын
@@MrGshinobi you know what's more worrying. go ahead and search "pulyn diluc" on youtube and watch some runs. I guarantee navia at the same level of investment won't get those times lmao. "Fucking DILUC" will be better than navia for speedrunning
@goddamnarshia
@goddamnarshia 10 ай бұрын
@@jsw973 look at it this way. If a unit is like 20% better than an older one , it only takes one random synergy provided by a future unit to put them behind the oldie again. Navia is better than diluc now , but its only a matter of time before someone who enables plunging for every character shows up and suddenly makes diluc meta but doesn't benefit navia. Same way noelle is now better than itto. She was 20% worse , now with furina she is straight up better , hence why itto was undertuned even when he released. Navia's damage needed to be higher and have a health drain/healing on her q to utilise furina better. Or just give us the long overdue geo rework after 3 fucking years
@Syokool
@Syokool 10 ай бұрын
​@@jsw973all geo characters are shit tho. Only Zhongli c6 Noelle c6 and ofc Itto c6 are barely up there, otherwise they are scrubs compared to any other counterpart of any other element.
@fxvg7091
@fxvg7091 10 ай бұрын
I think swapping Fischl for Zhongli is not a fair comparison. Why would you compare a 5* support with 4* support? Why not run Raiden instead like many Eula teams do? That would also significantly reduce the need to battery (which is also reduced by having Eula on field more than Navia).
@CoolerEnMoto
@CoolerEnMoto 9 ай бұрын
In the most ideal scenarios Fischl is better than Raiden for Eula's teams. The problem is that even with Raiden, Eula still needs some battery like Diona or Rosaria, and using Raiden ends up reducing the dps of the team a lot because of the long rotations.
@shinygekkouga52
@shinygekkouga52 10 ай бұрын
The last time I preferred using Eula compared to my other options was vs the sea horse. Her damage lined up well with its downed phase, and her cryo app helped with shield breaking, but I can’t say her merits work well against most bosses.
@kaito5685
@kaito5685 10 ай бұрын
I use Eula for the matrix, the green chicken, and the dancing duo. Wipes them out pretty fast cuz they stay still for a good while.
@vincikeeper1581
@vincikeeper1581 10 ай бұрын
Hmm physical or yellow physical 🤔
@bullseye1056
@bullseye1056 4 ай бұрын
he forgor the resistance shred from her e's
@carsonbailey7090
@carsonbailey7090 10 ай бұрын
People who read the title and not watch the video 🤡
@UryuCifer
@UryuCifer 10 ай бұрын
The amount of BS he spouted in this video regarding bennet and everyone else that tries to wank bennet, people need to stop lying and coping about bennet, he does ZERO damage, if not negative damage. Right after he said "you can do the same amount of dps by spamming E with bennet" he used bennet's e and it did 7.5k damage and thats on a 2-3 seconds cd so its like 3k dps. bennet is a buffer and healer stop trying to cope with the idea of him doing any damage, he never will
@freshlymemed5680
@freshlymemed5680 10 ай бұрын
So essentially, is she bad? No. Is she amazing? Also no. At the very least she didn't get done dirty like Dehya's kit and Hoyo actually made up their mind about what she should go for. On the other hand she isn't overpowered but she sits comfortably with the rest of the non op DPS units. Though tbh I'll wait for her release before making a final verdict because spreadsheet TC can only get you so far, I mean look at Alhaithm, went from doomposted to hell and back to S tier Dendro Daddy.
@kingsimba9513
@kingsimba9513 10 ай бұрын
XiangLing in the Eula team? What?
@yexiangchia9321
@yexiangchia9321 10 ай бұрын
I am very confused also, being a eula main i have no idea whats happening here. The fact that they counted with 12 stacks is also perplexing
@aly8542
@aly8542 10 ай бұрын
it's just to compare the dps between eula and navia@@yexiangchia9321
@ImagineCats9339
@ImagineCats9339 9 ай бұрын
have u heard op melt eula bro that''s to op lol , i have no idea why he didnt just use her best team (raiden-furina-mika)
@aly8542
@aly8542 9 ай бұрын
@@ImagineCats9339 well if he changes the whole team he wouldn't just compare the dps between those two wouldn't he? instead he'll be comparing two different teams.
@Btrayer-h2z
@Btrayer-h2z 8 ай бұрын
@@aly8542 ok so what if someone will use perfect Eula team and put her supports for Navia calcs? Will it be fair?
@ClayMatu
@ClayMatu 10 ай бұрын
The dude in chat that said c0 eula means 12 stacks confused me lol when her cons don't give stacks until c6. Which can take you to 30. If they meant C0 mika it's even stranger since he still gives 1 stack at c0 (though you wouldn't play him at c0 anyway). Eula's kit is slowly fading into oblivion huh. XD But yeah assuming for either mika or broken pines, it's 14 stacks. If you have both, it's always 14 and if your ping is good (I assume from eula mains discord members) you can get 15 stacks.
@Syokool
@Syokool 10 ай бұрын
I guess he meant the number of stacks from the combo, not from stuff. Also Eula comps where never ever meta or something like that. The problems she had were always present, and it's thanks to Mika an Furina that we finally got a perfect Eula team. It never faded into the background bc it was always back there. People using Eula didn't really use her for commodity, or dps but for nukes or raw dmg.
@erronblack3462
@erronblack3462 10 ай бұрын
@@Syokool the furina mika team is till very far from perfect fit for her.
@teaberry369
@teaberry369 8 ай бұрын
⁠@@Syokoolfacts, in fact i use eula BECAUSE it’s fun to figure out how to make a lower tier character like her work.
@junyaiwase
@junyaiwase 10 ай бұрын
Navia point blank and SIMPLEE
@giogiorno2
@giogiorno2 10 ай бұрын
watching Zajef videos about Navia I'm almost giving up spending primos on her and going to Ayaka, despite not having Kazuha nor Shenhe, only Mona and Kokomi.
@rei_rei64
@rei_rei64 10 ай бұрын
Don’t get ayaka without kazuha it’s not a fun time.
@giogiorno2
@giogiorno2 10 ай бұрын
@@rei_rei64 not even Sucrose can fill the gap for Ayaka in this team?
@rei_rei64
@rei_rei64 10 ай бұрын
@@giogiorno2 no she barely helps grouping and that’s what you need for ayaka+freeze
@giogiorno2
@giogiorno2 10 ай бұрын
@@rei_rei64 oh, I understand. I guess I will have to pull for Navia because there's no great DPS in my account. Thanks for the heads up
@rei_rei64
@rei_rei64 10 ай бұрын
@@giogiorno2 I would skip Navia and pull for raiden she’s right after Navia banner
@Heatranoveryou
@Heatranoveryou 10 ай бұрын
im waiting for him to show bennett outdps ninguang.
@hexaquras9374
@hexaquras9374 10 ай бұрын
what I got from this is Ning deals more damage in a short period than Diluc. (assuming he's C0 so I can COPE)
@arghya9761
@arghya9761 10 ай бұрын
Zajef coping on first part real
@alphierzero55
@alphierzero55 10 ай бұрын
Zagef don't consider eula uptime to achive the max number of stack but before, E charge and 4 NA and swap, actual best team are hyperbloom or eula, raiden, furina and jean/mika. Full stack team is needed only for boss, you are considering team around eula damage and not team damage, eula has not a lot of buffer or reaction her damage is basically her damage alone . constellation change her much, C6 is a 800k-1M/1.5M without buff outside supeconct
@drekhunter
@drekhunter 10 ай бұрын
Don't take anything he or anyone from Keqing mains say about Eula seriously, they are amazing theory crafters but they are notorious for hating Eula, I'm talking about lies, numbers, teams, artifacts, any chance they have to "tweak" the numbers to make her look bad.
@aicy5170
@aicy5170 9 ай бұрын
sure all of them , all of KQM and WFP just hate eula for whatever reason Or she just fine as a character
@drekhunter
@drekhunter 9 ай бұрын
​@@aicy5170 I've seen people unite for worse shit, so far I've not seen once person in that group making a fair calculation when it comes to Eula, so it's safe to say what I said, after all it doesn't get posted on the channel, reddit and the web page without being looked at by at least 3 members, I'm sure of that.
@aicy5170
@aicy5170 9 ай бұрын
@@drekhunter regardless of the calculation their conclusion is till correct no? eula and her team (non hyperbloom ) is just okay at best , you can see this if you compare to a truly meta team like neuv or alhaitham
@drekhunter
@drekhunter 9 ай бұрын
@@aicy5170 Okay is enough specially since he is an Dehya lover, being honest, Eula isn't an amazing character but they portray her as a joke because they just don't like her, are you gonna ignore how he shoehorned her in a team with XL here? Are you gonna ignore how he puts the team as a critique but why not calc her with an equivalent team then? lose the ZL give her Raiden, not like she needs the shield anyway and she pretty much covers her ER needs. The gameplay issues? like what ones exactly? crit fishing is a choice, funneling energy? Raiden negates that, you can't be all in for double swirling Childe and jump canceling Hu Tao and then crying because Eula rotations are complicated, because they aren't. You have to realize that you're comparing a non reaction niche character on the worst weapon type in the game with the forgotten damage mechanic (phys) against two characters that are unanimously known for being amazing characters. Fine I'll take the bait, she isn't amazing but what does she do worse than Dehya then? what does warrant the amount of hate she gets when Dehya is absolute dogshit, feels like trash to play, has a ton of bugs, deals less damage, the ER issues are far worse and she DOES need contended support units all while doing two reactions with amazing multiplies and still managing to be disapointing? They're biased and when the chinese community exposed them on their BS, they went harder on their bias, then Eula rerun came and they made a guide that got absolutely dragged down on the mud because it was game8 or gamewith levels of dogwater guidemaking and even here he couldn't be bothered to do a decent calc. I get it he doesn't like the character but you expect me to believe him or anyone from the KQM group when they talk about a character they been caught lying about before several times? You want good theorycrafting? by all means, Zajef is your guy, you want a good Eula guide? go to Eula mains on reddit, the only place with real daily driver Eula builds, not crit fishing, not HB cope, no bs, she works, she works better than some units, that's enough, they don't go trashtalking other characters, they don't have nothing to prove, they'll let you know when she isn't viable on a abyss, simple effective and no need to put down others opinions, I'm just glad that the editor puts timestamps so I can skip that part, that's why I like Zajef he has L takes but he also gives good info and it's easy to look what you really want to know.
@AshishKulkarni0506
@AshishKulkarni0506 10 ай бұрын
eula yelan charlotte furina team slaps i've been using it for a while now
@knicklichtjedi
@knicklichtjedi 10 ай бұрын
Wasn't too big of a Navia anticipator, but hearing her low field time requirements make me a bit interested. Chat, would you think she fits nicely in a Furina C6 team? So far, I just will be saving for Furina C6R1, but maybe I can afford a Navia as well. Then with Navia both could share short field times every X seconds. Doesn't sound too bad to me. Or am I missing something? Bennett should heal enough with C6 and such. Then one last slot like Fav ZL.
@kapeecoffee
@kapeecoffee 9 ай бұрын
Everything will probably die before you go to navia if you have c6 furina
@editimpact66
@editimpact66 10 ай бұрын
Really really hoping Chiori is a geo Shenhe that buffs crystallize durability while also giving buffs and heals when you uave a shield for geo characters.. that way both Ning and Navia get buffed ;-;
@madyou4210
@madyou4210 10 ай бұрын
Really hoping no, and she's dps or Geo Kazuha, don't do my girl is dirty man ☠️
@editimpact66
@editimpact66 10 ай бұрын
@@madyou4210 I don't see her being a dps at all and as much as I would love a geo Kazuha I doubt it's gonna happen with Chiori Just going off of her design tho lmao
@meowdasbae2
@meowdasbae2 10 ай бұрын
@@madyou4210i think geo shenhe would be better than geo kazuha unless u mean archaic petra built into her kit. Geo needs another buffer if they arent gonna benefit from reactions
@Axterix13
@Axterix13 10 ай бұрын
I'd rather not have a geo Shenhe. Shenhe is the 4th character you add to a cryo team. I'd rather see her be a geo Faruzan, who gets added second, right after the DPS. That said, for the overall health of the game, I'd probably rather see a good geo healer (nope, Noelle doesn't fit the bill here, as she wants too much on field time to do that), though one that also provides strong support on top of that, to make up for, well, being geo.
@editimpact66
@editimpact66 10 ай бұрын
@@Axterix13 I'm not familiar with anemo dps teams, do you place faruzan as the first slot in Xiao teams too? I think it's just for Wanderer and only when Faru is C6 right? I don't think a limited char is gonna be that niche.. plus def scaling gel characters alr have Gorou so I doubt she would've been a first slot in that. Also Navia needs other elements to work so Chiori was never gonna be not a last slot at least in those teams...
@TheAmirz123
@TheAmirz123 10 ай бұрын
Why zajeff pronounce Eula like that?
@lotticello
@lotticello 10 ай бұрын
I have 20 wishes and a dream (getting navia)
@goatsnightmare7076
@goatsnightmare7076 10 ай бұрын
Eula is 🔛🔝
@silverbro13
@silverbro13 10 ай бұрын
Marechaussee Ning with Yunjin isn't that bad. The problem is that you're turning her into a hypercarry in such a team with no healer because ZL shieldbot + Yunjin + Furina to trigger marechaussee.
@Zharina
@Zharina 10 ай бұрын
It's bad. Without a healer Mare set would stop working once reaching down to 50% hp since Furina's pets doesn't drain HP at that hp level. Also without a healer, Furina's burst is next to useless.
@silverbro13
@silverbro13 10 ай бұрын
@@Zharina Sorry, I meant to clarify that it really only works for like 2 Rotations, but at least in Overworld it's consistent. Furina's healing might suck, but it's still enough for Ning to consistently keep Marechaussee, you just won't be getting an insane number of fanfare stacks like with other Fontaine units with HP restoration. Similarly, using something like Prototype Amber on Ning to achieve this effect might seem crazy, but with her low(er) energy requirements, you can pretty consistently manage. That, or somehow have access to C6 ZL.
@nightday2030
@nightday2030 10 ай бұрын
​​​@@silverbro13If it is for the open world it's fine. But for abyss, you don't want to use Furina healing mode due to this part of her not generating particle. Remember, Furina needs an optimal ER. For one rotation clear is fine, but for the next rotion you need to collect more energy.
@silverbro13
@silverbro13 10 ай бұрын
@@nightday2030 Fav sword or ER/HP/HP is what I run on her and at level 80 she's doing not bad.
@silverbro13
@silverbro13 10 ай бұрын
@@firelight3806 If you want to improve Ning's damage, yes it is
@mormegil84
@mormegil84 10 ай бұрын
Navia my beloved
@koraymaru2926
@koraymaru2926 10 ай бұрын
Ningguang have no artifact set that works with her unlike other carries she deals dmg from many sources Q E CA NA there is no set that buffs all of that that really works with her which is why she never got an upgrade like other characters
@niom9446
@niom9446 10 ай бұрын
when are you doing the freminet event
@rednaxela4
@rednaxela4 10 ай бұрын
This Ningguang dmg is pretty underwhelming ngl... 34K on skill and 13,7K on her Burst WITH Bennett and Zhongli res shred is really low. Yes, Ningguang is a 1.0 4* dps and I know she isn't the strongest, but Zajef should build her properly when he makes comparison videos like this. My Ningguang easily does 60K skills and 20K+ burst hits while standing in Bennett's burst. That's literally double the dmg of what he's showing of here.
@6235river
@6235river 10 ай бұрын
yeah this is comically low for most high investment ning mains. makes sense that the average player won't want to invest in ningguang but she's not exactly difficult to build. a good f2p option.
@theguest103
@theguest103 10 ай бұрын
True. I thought I had my Bennett, Xingqiu and Xiangling well-built the other day, then I saw Zajef showcase his units doing literally double the damage of mine. I got Bennett on Mistsplitters R1 with 4pc Noblesse with decent substats, like 70/140 cr. Shows the difference a few perfect artifacts can make 😅
@luminous3558
@luminous3558 10 ай бұрын
Whats your crit ratio. Zajef calcs the average damage so if you only crit half the time then your numbers fall in line with his.
@ryanli5803
@ryanli5803 10 ай бұрын
​@@theguest103Doesn't Zajef run Instructor's Bennett and Noblesse XQ?
@editimpact66
@editimpact66 10 ай бұрын
He didn't use his Ningguang build for the calc incase you don't know
@thatonerandomguy7937
@thatonerandomguy7937 10 ай бұрын
Balls
@ItsWoop
@ItsWoop 10 ай бұрын
This vid reminded me that Ning has the worst combat voice acting out of any character lol.
@KategariYami
@KategariYami 10 ай бұрын
Yes but on fielding Bennett is how you die of cringe. I would rather play Pyro damage Xinyan way before I even consider on fielding that boring jackass.
@kaito9836
@kaito9836 10 ай бұрын
You play Navia to quick swap for efficient rotation, I play Navia to slay with style on-field💅, WE ARE NOT THE SAME 👔 Jokes aside, it would be nice to revive the "secret 5 star" Ning back from the grave 💀(My main back in 1.2)
@jonnevitu4979
@jonnevitu4979 10 ай бұрын
Bro you can skip the calcs holy sheet 💀
@thyetyeyryeretyery
@thyetyeyryeretyery 10 ай бұрын
Just skip ahead in the video
@jonnevitu4979
@jonnevitu4979 10 ай бұрын
@@thyetyeyryeretyery this is suppose to be like a short summarized version of something from his stream tho, it kinda of defeats the purpose when you put it on a video too. I dont have problems with watching the calcs on the stream but jeez man, its just annoying on an actual video, Zajef's editor basically always skip them on his main channel.
@No-cc1fq
@No-cc1fq 10 ай бұрын
​@@jonnevitu4979Summarized video will be on his main channel. This basically testing clip
@boucha91
@boucha91 10 ай бұрын
yay! I'm one of beautiful people :)
@RuneKatashima
@RuneKatashima 10 ай бұрын
I'm not sure Diluc does less than Ning, but I guess that's up to investment. My Diluc has good artifacts except his goblet (I sacrificed it for a better comparative head off piece). My CV accroding to Akasha is 189.7 on Diluc. But he uses Blackcliff R5 which is better than SS R5 for his build and even better than R1 Wolf's. I need R1 Redhorn to upgrade. His burst on a vape with Bennett, but no Kazuha, is 95k. Most E and Normal Vapes are around 50k. I have 1-2 Normals that do not vape that hit around 11k. This all changes if I can proc Blackcliff passive. But he also facilitates Xingqiu's Rainswords. So in the end I don't see Ning hitting that hard. Edit: Idk why you're not doing Furina, Raiden, Mika, Eula.
@blueberryguy8666
@blueberryguy8666 10 ай бұрын
ye i heard that its eula's current best team
@firephoenix8192
@firephoenix8192 9 ай бұрын
I swear these people put Diluc down for no reason. I can start with 70k E and go upto 110k and above on my last E and last NA. And he has no problems. Diluc is sturdy, claymore user, his animations make him feel faster even though he's claymore and he's quick swap unit with no AOE and ST limitations with 40 burst cost ☠️ I can still ungaa bunga with Diluc in f12 and clear it easily.
@RubyCupcakkiea
@RubyCupcakkiea 10 ай бұрын
they're having a mid-off
@sango6579
@sango6579 10 ай бұрын
queen-off*
@sgtotuber2830
@sgtotuber2830 10 ай бұрын
Does anyone know the name of the site he is using to see the values?
@irena4929
@irena4929 10 ай бұрын
Project amber
@foxshoot3138
@foxshoot3138 10 ай бұрын
She its better than deyah im pylling for her
@daniellambert5772
@daniellambert5772 10 ай бұрын
gibe me my physical buff mihoyo :(
@baguette_connoisseur
@baguette_connoisseur 10 ай бұрын
Never happening lol
@daniellambert5772
@daniellambert5772 10 ай бұрын
@@baguette_connoisseur hey if they could come back to electro and fix most of them in a way to be viable with dendro and they could fix hydro resonance, surely they could do something to phys copium
@Xen-wy6bo
@Xen-wy6bo 10 ай бұрын
What kind of calculation is this with assuming everything rather than actually testing?
@FreneticPotato
@FreneticPotato 10 ай бұрын
You must be new here.
@Syokool
@Syokool 10 ай бұрын
Trolling and lazy teorycraft. Tbh he's pretty good at doing it but there are times when he messes stuff up, and being a f2p advocate doesn't help when doing actual testing.
@m1st3rw4rd
@m1st3rw4rd 10 ай бұрын
What site is Zajef using to get the character data?
@zajefclips
@zajefclips 10 ай бұрын
project amber
@NickWolfen
@NickWolfen 10 ай бұрын
I can 1 shot everything with my C6 Eula ( I am not a whale) ;^)
@paktong9668
@paktong9668 10 ай бұрын
Nice
@damii_11
@damii_11 10 ай бұрын
Eula?
@Senorgato029
@Senorgato029 10 ай бұрын
I’d assume since navia’s geo infusion is tied to a passive that c6 Bennett probably messes with it? If so how detrimental is that to her?
@atharvakpatil
@atharvakpatil 10 ай бұрын
it doesn't mess with her geo infusion
@irena4929
@irena4929 10 ай бұрын
Her geo infusion cant be overwritten
@lihavalokki5705
@lihavalokki5705 10 ай бұрын
Units since Hu Tao have not allowed their personal infusions to be overridden by external infusions. The only characters that C6 Bennett fucks with are Eula and Keqing (Keqing's electro can be overridden). It's specifically mentioned in the passive description that Navia's Geo infusion cannot be overridden.
@joe_simon
@joe_simon 10 ай бұрын
@@lihavalokki5705 Not exactly true. Ayaka can suffer from Bennett C6... Like if you play them together which is... Yeah
@irena4929
@irena4929 10 ай бұрын
​@@joe_simonbro its 2023 who tf play ayaka with bennett 💀
@bestinthagame
@bestinthagame 10 ай бұрын
Can (Ning+ Furina + Xing+ kokomi) work with Tome of the eternal flow?
@samkerski
@samkerski 10 ай бұрын
Haven't tried that team specifically, but I run Yanfei with TotEF/MHunter and Furina keeps the passive up consistently so it should be similarly successful. Just don't forget to burst on Kok to proc Pamber's team heal even if you aren't giving the burst field time......not like I forgot to do that for the longest time or anything....
@akatosh5792
@akatosh5792 10 ай бұрын
Kokomi offfield with furina is kinda eh, it works but a jean or someone who has more healing so you can get more fanfare stacks would be reccomended. Xing+ Furina is sucha strong combo that unless you are fighting hydro immune enemies you can slot them in pretty much any team tho.
@oogwaythesussyturtle
@oogwaythesussyturtle 10 ай бұрын
@@akatosh5792 true. baizhu is overall the best healer to pair with furina. and funnily enough, this abyss's usage rate kinda shocases that.
@samkerski
@samkerski 10 ай бұрын
@@oogwaythesussyturtle Is he though? His healing is fantastic and fits well with her health drain but dendro doesn't synergize with a lot of teams that run Furina, since she doesn't buff transformative reactions. Any team where dendro is desired, agree, he absolutely slaps. But it seems like Jean is a better fit for a LOT of teams, especially any team where a VV swirl is desired. . . . . now if only there was a reliable way to pull for Jean :(
@oogwaythesussyturtle
@oogwaythesussyturtle 10 ай бұрын
@@samkerski yes Jean is also quite amazing with furina. The thing is that i can't say anything about her from my experience cuz I sadly don't have Jean. Yup I couldn't get a single copy of Jean in last 3 years of my genshin run. 💀💀
@drekhunter
@drekhunter 10 ай бұрын
I love Zajef but he is part of the KQM hate cult for Eula, those calcs on her ain't really something I'd believe since that group has openly lied before to make her look worse, great for any other character, just not Eula.
@pixzeyl
@pixzeyl 10 ай бұрын
Jesus christ this community really loves to doompost and give takes on a character that’s not even out yet. Kinda unfair
@idungetit3357
@idungetit3357 10 ай бұрын
Having actual numbers to use in calcs for an unreleased character is not doomposting. Beta's literally there for beta testers to evaluate how a character fares on actual gameplay. That's why it's called pre-analysis. Emphasis on "pre-".
@goddamnarshia
@goddamnarshia 10 ай бұрын
You people said this for dehya come on now. Before release , its doomposting because the character isn't in the game. After release, well not like they're gonna get buffed so shut up and continue consuming. Let people discuss shit. Not saying she's gonna be as bad as dehya btw but we JUST had the most op dps in the game , its not outrageous that people expected a bit more than what navia is doing.
@Syokool
@Syokool 10 ай бұрын
It's common sense. Geo = trash. >b but she's strong And? Itto is strong, Zhongli is strong, yet they are overshadowed by elemental reactions.
@wolf4392
@wolf4392 10 ай бұрын
​​@@idungetit3357if you saw navia's numbers you can easily see she's not even bad. Same as lyney and rizzly, which means good/above average in terms of a 5 star dps. Don't know what people expected, she's not meta breaking but she's definitely a good dps, nowhere near eula or ning.
@idungetit3357
@idungetit3357 10 ай бұрын
@@wolf4392 That's the point. There are already numbers on her kit, yet original commenter insists on calling valid criticisms as doomposting. And yes, I agree that navia's not even that bad, but let people criticize if something in a character's kit is unexpectedly underwhelming. And I'm talking about that generally.
@rodgerrodriguez3621
@rodgerrodriguez3621 10 ай бұрын
whats navia like as a sub dps in a itto mono geo
@kailebdv
@kailebdv 10 ай бұрын
Not great, she kinda wants to be paired with other elements so she can trigger the crystallize reaction to get bullet stacks
@omarbirkdar5536
@omarbirkdar5536 10 ай бұрын
Not very good, she doesnt really give any utilities, and needs some on-field time to maximize her dps, plus if you run pure mono-geo, her dps kinda tanks
@editimpact66
@editimpact66 10 ай бұрын
Straight up bad, not saying you can't but you essentially reduce Navia's damage by like 25% if you do that
@Syokool
@Syokool 10 ай бұрын
Ikr, we got baited with that thing about Navia being a geo buffer.
@spacenumber1149
@spacenumber1149 10 ай бұрын
@@kailebdv what If I use in Furina, Noelle, Navia, Yelan Navia is sub dps my rotation in my head be like Furina E Q Yelan E Q Navia Q Noelle E Q NA*3 Navia E Noelle NA*3 Navia E Noelle NA*3 practical? idk , energy issue? idk sound fun? yessir does anybody know how much Navia's E generate Geo energy particles?
@SwingingOrangutan
@SwingingOrangutan 10 ай бұрын
What about Navia vs Yoi?
@yashtandon7460
@yashtandon7460 10 ай бұрын
Navia will be very front loaded while Yoimiya will be consistent throughout the duration.
@wilburforce8046
@wilburforce8046 10 ай бұрын
@@yashtandon7460idk why but my Yoimiya with decent Artis and her sig level 90 hits like a wet fukin noodle. Consistency over the length of a rotation from what I can see doesn’t actually add up to dmg. Not saying she’s Eula level but she def doesn’t feel like what sheets suggest.
@yashtandon7460
@yashtandon7460 10 ай бұрын
@@wilburforce8046 Could you tell me your team? My Yoi obliterates bosses with R5 Rust with the team of Yelan, Fischl and Zhongli.
@wilburforce8046
@wilburforce8046 10 ай бұрын
what is your def of obliterating a boss because we might be different lol.@@yashtandon7460 My team is yoi yelan zhong bennet
@lionhawk12
@lionhawk12 10 ай бұрын
Yeah staying on field with bennett in that team is actually trolling lmfao, ning is not a dps loss in that team to swap to.
@niedoanimowanyrosomak9990
@niedoanimowanyrosomak9990 10 ай бұрын
Did you listen? Dps build bennett (who actually deals some respectable dmg) who also SIGNIFICANTLY decreases xiangling er reqs icreasing her possible dmg by a ton. Using ning is barely a dps gain if at all
@jsw973
@jsw973 10 ай бұрын
Bro next time don't mute the videos
@lionhawk12
@lionhawk12 10 ай бұрын
@@niedoanimowanyrosomak9990 mono pyro bennett with zl shield does not do respectable damage. reducing xls er reqs is great but shes also mono pyro with a zl shield. It is just trolling to on field bennett in that team and not swap to ning.
@joe_simon
@joe_simon 10 ай бұрын
He never said he outdamages her. He did assume that Bennett dealt less damage (Ningguang 40k with carry Bennett 25k). But on field carry Bennett allows an off field damage dealer to be used instead of Ningguang (though he did assume only 10k DPS of the off fielder). And that those together come very close to Ningguangs damage (25k + 10k). As he said: Ning barely reaches the damage that makes her worth switching in. In his assumptions she did more damage than Bennett + off fielder but not a lot more damage. And then he added: While the on fielding Bennett + Off fielder dealt a bit less damage it gives the team more Energy which reduces Xianglings ER requierments comapred to the Ningguang version by a good amount. So Bennett + off fielder might not outdamage Ningguang on their own but if you add the energy gain on top it starts to change. Ningguangs personal damage isn't high enough to say: Yeah using her instead of an off fielder + on fielding Bennett carry + needing less ER is much better.
@lionhawk12
@lionhawk12 10 ай бұрын
​@@joe_simon Those numbers from the hypothetical situation are just made up, so idk how to respond to that and it's not really my point. Sure, replacing ning with a xingqiu or yelan or furina would make the team better, but that's a completely different team that focuses on enabling xiangling's damage. Another sub dps with similar contribution would change the structure of the team entirely as well. This particular team is built around using ning on field and she is the primary damage dealer. Just because the team can be upgraded by making it a xiangling vape team or whatever else doesn't mean it's accurate to say that she is barely worth swapping into, because in this particular team she definitely is. I don't think I would've cared if he just said this team doesn't do that much damage vs the way that it was framed.
@minatol2713
@minatol2713 10 ай бұрын
This reminds me of the time they released Yelan and people were comparing her to Xingqui and i was like why not use both in the same team? Same with Navia and Ningguang, WHY NOT USE THEM BOTH IN THE SAME TEAM? Ningguang + Fisch + Navia and Bennett for example..
@thantoo11
@thantoo11 10 ай бұрын
Are u slow they're both on fielders and benny and xiangling needs the other 5-8 seconds to battery and it's just weird using two onfielders since they don't really buff each other even with, thats like playing Childe and ayato in the same team
@irena4929
@irena4929 10 ай бұрын
You literally cannot be this serious wanting to use 2 on fielder like you did the same with 2 off fielder
@blazn0
@blazn0 10 ай бұрын
The only good Ning can do here is carry ttds for navia.
@akuuutan
@akuuutan 10 ай бұрын
bro u need to get 7tv
@mhead1117
@mhead1117 10 ай бұрын
The battle of mid
@Syokool
@Syokool 10 ай бұрын
For me Kaveh is mid, these ones are below him.
@shoppingforleaves3162
@shoppingforleaves3162 10 ай бұрын
I levelled Ningguang to do the Wolflord boss for Yun Jin mats, then I realised you didn't need to build her at all, just shield her. Her numbers didn't matter so long as she wasn't dead. I wasted my time. She has not been used since.
@zerooskil7161
@zerooskil7161 9 ай бұрын
See i want her on field all the time
@AzureAetherXx
@AzureAetherXx 10 ай бұрын
I am glad someone else is saying Ningguang isn't that good. I swear there are still people who say shes a "secret" 5 star in terms of damage and I just never saw it. I have always maintained that Noelle is much better because she actually has supports, multiple good weapons and a dedicated 4p artifact set.
@Bullminator
@Bullminator 10 ай бұрын
Well she can deal damage, but you gota learn the animation cancel with her.
@jones2840
@jones2840 10 ай бұрын
She is called secret 5 star because of her prowess in the lore. Everyone knows she is dogshit in gameplay because she is Geo.
@twigz3214
@twigz3214 10 ай бұрын
Noelle is mainly a lot better now because Furina, makes her comparable with Itto if not better.
@flamezforthegamez1056
@flamezforthegamez1056 10 ай бұрын
Agreed. In fact, Geo Traveler is a better pick for Navia- for one, he is naturally C6, then you have 10% extra crit rate, more IR, and it snapshots its own crit rate and Bennett buff. Also a considerable battery.
@samkerski
@samkerski 10 ай бұрын
I wonder if it largely depends on what community you frequent the most, as I have never herd people call her a secret 5* . . . . or really praise her gameplay much at all. Which is a shame because her drip is S-tier.
@saviolbnful
@saviolbnful 10 ай бұрын
hi dad
@imthescrubjay
@imthescrubjay 10 ай бұрын
Steam failure aware
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