Nintendo NES Classic Alternatives and clones

[@DanafoxyVixen]

Battery life was the reason why they didn't back lit the screen. back then White LEDs didn't exist and portable consoles like the Lynx or the Game Gear had to resort to fluorescent lighting which ate battery's like crazy

[@NiGHTSnoob]

Although there was the Game Boy Light. It was effectively a sightly larger Game Boy Pocket so it was black and white, and used an Electroluminescent screen, but it was a lit Game Boy with solid battery life so it is strange that there weren't any variant systems with built in lighting for the Game Boy Color or original Advance.

[@KuraIthys]

Yeah, that would have killed the battery life no doubt. I got my gameboy color to run for 27 hours on 2 AA alkaline cells. Sure, there's like 5-6 years of tech development in it, but the Game Gear used 6 AA's and lasted, what, 2, 3 maybe 4 hours? The Lynx needed 8 batteries as I recall and had a similarly atrocious battery life. So... Making some generous assumptions about 1998 era tech... Take your pick: - unlit screen 20-30 hour battery life. - Backlit screen 3-6 hour battery life. That's why.

[@StewarttheSockschannel]

I just used a worm light. We really have come a long way.

[@HardWhereHero]

yea, the fluorescent lights caused them to need to use power adapters that were about the size of a cement block. . . God, I hated my game gear for that reason so so so many hours of gaming flushed down the toilet when the adapter falls from the top bunk bed and rips itself out of the game gear quicker then you can blink and eye. I still enjoyed playing it .

[@jevansturner]

Yup. The backlit LCD games of the '90s had intolerable battery life. I literally have 7 Game Gear units (don't ask) and a Turbo Express. Lots of experience with Sega Nomad back in the day. These passive-matrix screens didn't age well. It's practically impossible to see anything. :( One of these days I'll try refurbishing them with new capacitors.

[@SatoshiMatrix1]

Hi David, I run a NES clone series on my channel called Attack of the Famiclones. I can address the questions and concerns you brought up. Super Retro Trio S-Video on NES: The NES is not S-Video ready, neither are any clones of it based on the NOAC (Nintendo-on-a-chip). The SRT and other clones with S-Video is simply passing the composite signal through the Luma connector of the S-Video line, which results in Composite, but with a softer, dull color look. This isn't S-Video. The NTSC|PE|NJ|PA switch on the front of the Super Retro Trio is a region switch for Sega Genesis/MegaDrive games. NTSC means North America, PE is Europe, NJ is Japan, PA is Asia including China. If you import MegaDrive games, this will allow you to play them regardless of the original region code. It doesn't effect NES or SNES games. The SRT will only correctly play NTSC or NTSC-J Nintendo games. The Generation NEX was designed in 2005 and was one of the very first legal clone systems after the original 1985 NES design patents had expired. The NEX was made by the now-defunct company called Messiah. The System _does_ have the capacity for stereo output which they planned to use in their own line of games, but this is a vaporware feature as Messiah never actually released any games before they went under. As it is, the stereo jack simply mirrors the mono jack for dual-mono audio output. The GB Boy Colour you mentioned isn't the only one. There's another unit that's an almost exact copy of the GBA SP design. The GB Boy Colour that you showed goes the extra mile in a lot of respects. Almost the same exact size and build quality, and the Link Cable port even works with the real hardware! But the Infrared port is actually fake. There's nothing behind the window on top. Not a big deal, but it's just there for show. I hope you found these corrects helpful. I would appreciate it if those reading this would thumb this comment up so it's visible. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask. Thanks!

[@nicholsjoshua15]

Attack Of The Famiclones, I love that name!

[@mtoad]

He doesn't notice much of anything.

[@The8BitGuy]

I did mention that at the end.

[@SatoshiMatrix1]

This is only meant to be a very broad look at alternatives. The reverse duty cycles of most Famiclones is a minor issue, as is NOAC incompatibility with a small number of the total NES library. This isn't an in-depth review of any of these machines, just a general overview. If you want in-depth, watch my reviews where I talk about things that literally nobody else does like how to fix some of the fixable issues.

[@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece]

i think it would be good to pin this comment.

[@wedddealer]

The 'slow' button is actually used on the official Nintendo controller, "NES Advantage" and it does the exact same thing!

[@LegoWormNoah101]

"If a company does not want to actively make their product available for sale, then I don't shed too many tears when people pirate the material." That's one way to describe Abandonware in a nutshell

[@Madjo-qj2ge]

I use same principle too

[@Cythil]

Well... I define Abandonware as something that a copyright holder will not go after for one or the other reason. This is a bit nebulous, however, since suddenly the copyright holder may discover they actually own a copyright or actually get interested in defending it. (Or the copyright was transferred to someone who actually cares to defend it.) Nintendo is not doing this. What Nintendo is doing is artificial scarcity. If they find that someone is breaking their copyright, they will go after them. Sure, some small fish may swim through the Nintendo net. But overall, they will go to great lengths to protect their copyright. Now, I do not like that copyright holders go and vault there IPs just to drive up scarcity. I think it goes against the spirt of what copyright is meant to address. I do not like it when Nintendo do it or when Disney do it. The most well know examples. But there are a lot of others that does so to. And some are even worse since they vault stuff in the hopes of people will break their copyright, and then they demand compensation. Living of this compensation and not sales of original copies. So copyright need to get fixed I think. My suggestion is to greatly reduce the term limit of copyright. If the term limit was 20 years, then this would not be a major issue. (And then I think I am being nice to the copyright holder since I think they would do fine with just a 10-year exclusivity on their copyright monopoly in this digital age.)

[@Nekulturny]

I agree, patents and copyrights should have "use or lose it" limitations. And they should not be allowed to circumvent it like a child when you want to throw away toys they don't play with anymore so the kid goes "NO, I still play with that!" and grabs it and plays with it for just 5 minutes.

[@mehpainter]

Wait that's a thing? So what and my dad pirate occasionally isn't all that bad!

[@Justin_80]

Yo, ho ho!

[@UsernameU222]

Little did we know that when Nintendo stopped producing the first version of the NES classic, they would start producing the second version of the NES classic, which would use the same board as the SNES classic so they could mass produce both at the same time. They could have just told us they were going to do that.

[@peter-william]

Nintendo is not regarded for their communication skills.

[@BlgManGaming]

Nintendo does this ot create a sense of urgency and doesn't tell us if they're going to re-release anything because they want us to spend as much money as possible on their shit so they can make money.

[@tokadaproject]

I've had a GB Boy for a few months, the screen is from an HP printer, and the IR blaster is just a piece of black plastic. The built in games are on a flash cart that is just soldered to the cartridge port, with a switch that is pressed when a cartridge is inserted.

[@bengineer8]

xD

[@puardeluxe]

DJHeinle but i mean... if it works xD

[@TheLucarioBaoJunior]

DJHeinle so you could desolder that flash chip and play Pokemon Gold with no cart

[@tokadaproject]

The flash cart connectors are narrower than gameboy cart connectors, a cartridge board won't fit inside.

[@Wflash00]

DJHeinle Yeah that's true but technically you can desolder the ROM RAM and mapper chips off the game cartridge board and that would condense the size quite a bit

[@chin3913]

By the way, there’s a kit called the clonetendo that allows you to build your own NES similar to the mini PET. You have to supply your own CPU and PPU though. Luckily people have made hundreds of CPU and PPU clone chips

[@PabTSM-OfficialChannel]

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[@RandomnesssE]

Link please

[@antiuttpprimewastaken]

@@PabTSM-OfficialChannel c h i n

[@ericjohnson6634]

What are you doing commenting on KZbin videos? All those fuckin' ugly reds aren't gonna kill themselves.

[@Osmium38]

Overclocking the NES?? Yes please!

[@IRMacGuyver]

@3:30 the boarder getting cropped is actually a bonus feature. A lot of games start to draw in sprites on the boarder but they don't have functionality yet so you can get confused by stuff happening there that wont actually affect the gameplay. This is notably troublesome when trying to screen glitch enemies away.

[@TheNoSwearGuy]

What about SMB3 where the left side of the screen is covered up but the right side isn’t, and the right side of the screen get’s all glitchy and stuff? Does the 8-Bit Entertainment System cover _that_ up too???

[@davidbrennan5]

original nes + flashcart loaded with all ROMS is best option imo.

[@LUCKO2022]

Everdrive works on clone consoles as well.

[@davidbrennan5]

You can buy those systems but they use emulation, thats fine for most people some games work well others are run a bit slow others run fast the colors look different some games are glitchy and some don't play at all. If you use the original hardware everything runs the way it is supposed to. the other issue is the quality of the system an original NES and it's controllers are very very well made and will last a long time.

[@felipedulz1032]

Here in Brazil is very easy to found cartridge have 9 games in one XD Everdrive Costs a lot here ...

[@RetroSmoo]

I've got the everdrive GB cart myself, love it! for gba games i got EZ Flash IV, didnt realise there was a gba everdrive lol

[@kaitlyn__L]

davidbrennan - there's a slew of FPGA 8bit clone systems now, which don't use emulation, they simulate the actual chips (and so don't romdump like the retron5) and have all the same limitations, but can have pure digital outputs and run ROMs from internal memory, etc.

[@stevonnie-forever]

7:19 I'm not positive, but I think that switch might be a work-around for region locked games. The position of the switch would need to be changed to play games from other regions.

[@teh_supar_hackr]

I think it would be used for Genesis games as the Sega Genesis can detect if a game is in a console of a different region. The SNES for American, and Japanese games can work interchangeably (like I can play an American SNES game in my Japanese SNES known as the Super Famicom over there). As for the NES you can play PAL region games, but they play faster than they were meant to be, and the sound is at a higher pitch. You can also play Japanese games on an American console, but since the NES games doesn't have the same pin count as Japanese ones (over there the NES was known as the Famicom), you'd have to use an adapter to use those carts in an American or PAL region console.

[@johndododoe1411]

I'm guessing that the 8-bit era machine would clock various chips and functions at exact multiples of the vsync, hsync and pixel clocks of the video format each unit was made for. So hopefully the switch would run the equivalent functions at area appropriate speeds to make games work like in that area, even if the box is generating actual video for its own market.

[@WolfPackAlpha-sn2sw]

The switch on the front as far as I can tell is to get around region lockout since it lists regional formats such as PAL

[@Gino_andTonic]

Yeah it lets you play super famacon and mega drive games as well

[@therealswarvey]

The user manual designed to look like a cartridge is a really nice touch

[@staroutofspace4986]

I have the Retro-Bit 3-in-1. The region switch is for Genesis games. Unlike NES and SNES games, Genesis games come on the same shape cartridge regardless of region. They actually have internal region checks, so the switch allows you to play import Genesis games.

[@The8BitGuy]

OK.. I suspected it was something like that.

[@EvilCoffeeInc]

The 8-Bit Guy in addition to that, I believe the reason the tv shows black-and-white in PAL mode has to do with the way colour was originally inserted into the NTSC video format when it was designed. If I recall correctly, PAL's colour signal occupies a band outside NTSC's range.

[@paradoxzee6834]

Also I remerber playing NTSC games on my PAL PS1 back in the day and yea if you force an NTSC singal to a PAL TV it would be black and white.

[@papeleradereciclaje4375]

Someone needs to send him a PolyStation

[@M25videos]

Polystation: The console that most disappointed Brazilian children

[@scottbreon9448]

Send him The SouljaGame. LMAO

[@rafaelasabchucalovato9439]

Oh my heck I had one 😂

[@amimatronic]

Yeah

[@eltonmateusnevesneves]

Dynacom, Phantom and Turbogame too

[@AfonsoBucco]

Do you know what is Poly Station 2? You have seen correct: POLY STATION 2. that seems a PS ONE, but inside it is a NES with a cart slot inside round cover where you expect to put a PS CD. You could find this in Brazil even in 2000. Also you didn't have to plug on TV. The interference was such that it was enough to tune any UHF channel to play the console.

[@medicgaming101]

Lmao

[@cyberlord64]

Ha! I had one. I never told any of my friends because they would make fun of me till the end of time. Just out of curiocity, was there any "shaming" associated with this in Brazil? As in, was it considered a playstation for the poor kids?

[@medicgaming101]

@@cyberlord64 idk.

[@dirtdogdeluxe4455]

@@cyberlord64 I doubt it since half of them only have one shirt. Your having a first world problem.

[@fixer1140]

Yep, I've seen them too. And wait for the competition, the Funbox 360

[@blake276]

"It also has 4 controller ports, but I'm not sure which games would use that." yo wait until this guy finds out about the nes version of bomberman

[@doowi1182]

NES Bomberman II only has 3 player, not 4 IIRC? Or maybe that's Famicom only.

[@RedRanger2001]

@@doowi1182 Well, Bomberman 2 is three player in all regions...

[@Jetsudo]

Smash TV could use them. 1 D-pad would have your character run in any direction and the other D-pad allowed you to shoot in another. This would be very helpful when surrounded by enemies and you didn't have to 'dart in their direction' to shoot them while trying to run away.

[@milesthepeacefulinkling286]

Or maybe Gauntlet & its sequel.

[@ARCWuLF]

3:17 The black bars are probably just for aesthetics: The Nintendo Entertainment System basically has four 256x256 pixel tiles stored in memory (two of which are mirrored). The picture processing unit (PPU) uses seams on the sides of the screens to draw new content into the tiles. There's two basic graphic modes to the PPU: Vertical scrolling and horizontal scrolling, but it can be modified for multi-range scrolling with some adaptation (this usually causes the seams to be more visible with broken graphics along the edge of the screen, as seen in Super Mario Bros. 3). Normally, this seam is cut off on a CRT television behind the bezel, but on newer televisions it is very visible. The black bars are probably just there to hide the seam -- no actual graphics or gameplay is missing.

[@TravisTev]

That would be an interesting solution to the problem, though it might upset some purists. :-) Interestingly, some games (as I understand) used various tricks to hide or reduce the visibility of the seam, such as by covering it with a vertical strip of opaque sprites or by disabling the PPU's output for several scanlines (to blank out a horizontal strip) where the seam would appear. Many others just didn't bother.

[@Liam3072]

Yeah we've all watched that video from Retro Games Mechanics Explained. But I'm not even sure these black bars have anything to do with that, they are just the overscan.

[@zzoinks]

If it is being captured by a video capture device, I think that the black bars should be visible in both of the screenshots. The original NES screenshot that lacks the black bars is not a picture being taken of a CRT television, so if the black bars are present on the original NES, then shouldn't they be in the screenshot?

[@ARCWuLF]

***** Like I said, the blue bars shown in the NES are the loading seam (in the overscan area), which is hidden on older CRT televisions because the picture tube is curved on the edges and slightly hidden behind the bezel. You're seeing it here because it's being captured and played back on a newer device that actually shows the entire projected image. The other console manufacturer probably figured their device would be used on a flat screen style television (which shows the entire projected image) and put the bars in to hide the seam, with the added benefit that it will also help to prevent burn-in on newer CRT models and plasma televisions, because unlike the rest of the screen these edges do not have pixels drawn into them (most of the time). That's just my theory: You'd have to contact the manufacturer to confirm it.

[@zzoinks]

Michael Adams Oh, okay. I thought that the seams would be visible to a video capture device but nevermind that.

[@MonosShenanigans]

I mean i would just buy the soviet Famicom clone "Dendy"

[@MonosShenanigans]

@PiForUAll right shortly after thanks for the info

[@NortonHayley]

Sayos Yamushin!

[@tedwardkoch]

I have one! And my son (He is really into platform games) sometimes plays with this thing, if you want we will talk about it.

[@kargaroc386]

Technically it's not soviet, it's russian. And I doubt the soviets would allow such a time-waster to be produced unless it could be used as a user-programmable computer. Which given this would be the 1980s, an 8 bit micro based on the NES wouldn't have been that bad, especially compared to ZX Spectrum clones common in the USSR.

[@somerandomchannel2669]

@ODSD77 taiwan*

[@futurealarms121]

Actually, in Japan, Nintendo did release the Game Boy Light. Which was essentially an original Game Boy with a front-lit screen. I've heard that they were planning on releasing a Game Boy Color Light in the US, but they scraped the idea in favor of the Game Boy Pocket. And as Dana Vixen pointed out, battery life was a huge problem at the time. LEDs were not bright enough to effectively backlight the screen and usually were not white in colour. I've also heard that they either did or were going to a release a coloured variant of the Japanese Game Boy Light, but I've never found any proof of that.

[@Wflash00]

The Game Boy Light was backlit, and they used electroluminescent technology to pull it off. It worked well, meaning that it lit the screen decently well and didn't hog battery power, but it was a little dim and very blue. I really like the fact that it still has a reflective backing so that you don't have to use the light when it's brightly lit wherever you are

[@RogerBarraud]

Milk the last cents out of 30+ year old games... LameBoy.

[@Bro-cx2jc]

I'm pretty sure they actually discarded the idea in favor of the Game Boy Color in America, seeing as the Pocket came out two years before the Light and the Game Boy Light and Game Boy Color both came out in 1998.

[@djhaloeight]

I’ve got a GB Boy. Works great with every original and Game Boy color game I’ve thrown at it, plus it’s got a bunch of games built in. It also works with two player games thru the data port.

[@CSXOhioRailFanPlus752]

I know what you mean about EBay. The Hallmark NES ornament that they had in 2020 you could not not find them in the Hallmark stores but everybody had them on EBay for twice the price

[@WillowFox]

Yeah, every "Slow Motion" button on aftermarket controllers was just a high speed pause toggle. :/

[@poiuytrewqasdf5654]

Every slow-motion button on a controller ever works like that.

[@offscreen6578]

@Funny Turtle Yeah, they did, but better. Honestly, if you were gonna get that one console with the turbo/slow controllers, you might as well get an NES Advantage or NES Max.

[@EmilySucksAtGaming]

how hard could it be to have possibly a proprietary plug capable of sending inputs to adjust the clock speed?

[@jarlfenrir]

@@epsi You don't have to send command directly to the cpu. The console itself might just slow down the emulation speed after pressing the button.

[@poiuytrewqasdf5654]

@@jarlfenrir You do realize that emulation means to pretend when you're running emulation software for the NES your computer is pretending to be an NES. But if you have an NES it is not pretending to be in NES because it is one thus, there is no emulation software.

[@billschlafly4107]

I shrug my shoulders when people bring up the fact that downloading ROMs is illegal. If you have a physical game it seems to be legal to download the ROM even though it's not copied from the game. Fair use is a grey subject for sure but I'm with 8 -Bit. If copyright owners don't market their product at all then I don't care if they don't get paid. And that's especially true when the owners deliberately produce fewer products than the market demands like Nintendo does.

[@thatsunpossible312]

I just have very little sympathy for copyright holders as the duration of copyright is absurdly long. A drug to cure cancer or TB only gets protection for 25 years, give or take. Mindless entertainment gets 95+ years. Cry me a river.

[@blakegriplingph]

Shugo Takahashi Lobbyists are to blame with that. They basically want to hold their rein on a work so much that they'd pay lawmakers to do their bidding.

[@KironVB]

Actually studies have shown the "Optimal" length of copyright is 7-10 years, with a max at 25 years. These days, for all intents and purposes, it's 150 years. (75+ death of original creator) which is absurd. If this level of copyright existed say in the 1800s, it would have been illegal for Disney to create any of its animated films, or for example, we wouldn't be able to get Sherlock Homes adaptions etc. Copyright in it's modern form is literally damaging to culture. For example, entire GENRES of music are literally illegal. If the rights holders of the Amen Break wished so, they could literally sue every single DnB, RnB, Hip Hop, Breaks etc artist on the planet and probably win.

[@michelvanbriemen3459]

One can also make the argument that in the case of the NES, the reason there is such a market for the NES Classic is the people who discovered the console and its games through emulation. 1994 isn't that long ago, but the NES was out of the hype and kids born back then didn't necessarily grow up with one. I know I didn't (Playstation and GBC). Legality or not, it's making Nintendo more money than a complete shutdown would have.

[@BarkleyBCooltimes]

Whats funny is that Disney is the reason we have these copyright laws lasting longer than anyone could live. I think we are around the time that the copy right laws need to be extended again so Disney doesn't lose control of Micky Mouse. But this won't be news, the media wouldn't want you to know that.

[@bernardschmitt6389]

7:23 that is to bypass region locked games

[@ベンゲルのカナズミトム]

There was a Gameboy with backlight. It's called Gameboy Light, but it was only sold in Japan.

[@themankycater5615]

are you actually japanese or do you just have a japanese name for some reason

[@Woomiasty]

So fuck

[@WH250398]

@@Woomiasty What exactly is "so fuck" about this?

[@Bro-cx2jc]

@@WH250398 Much WTF Very ignore comment

[@Green24152]

Why is Zink here?

[@skuder491]

Here in Brazil we had a famiclone called Polystation, and yes: it's a single tiny chip with NES games inside of a Playstation 1 Slim case. Many kids in the 90's and early 2000's cried because of this. They received from their fathers the so waited "Playstation", but when they realized that there's no CD drive, but a cartridge input, it was too late hahah

[@skuder491]

Complicado hahahah Eu tive alguns famiclones também, mas eram todos em alguma carcaça genérica (exceto um que tinha a carcaça do Sega Genesis 3 americano com as cores do Super Nintendo)

[@paulojorgecruzpereirarodri9744]

Leonardo Meira Stop using the portuguese christian cross if you are not portuguese.

[@skuder491]

Paulo Jorge Cruz Pereira Rodrigues Melo e Almeida Uh.. no.

[@skuder491]

Paulo Jorge Cruz Pereira Rodrigues Melo e Almeida Shut up, idiot. You even don't know me! This cross is also present in the flag of the Empire of Brazil. Don't be a fucking moron

[@skuder491]

Paulo Jorge Cruz Pereira Rodrigues Melo e Almeida I love you too

[@BlueTelevisionGames]

The AVS is amazing.

[@lollipop64440]

Lol 1 like

[@BlueTelevisionGames]

@@lollipop64440 xD I was hopping for 3. Dang.

[@lollipop64440]

Lol did not expect s reply

[@lollipop64440]

A reply * thanks tho

[@lollipop64440]

Love ya channel btw keep up the Mario content

[@UFOhunter4711]

I gotta say, the GB colour was a great purchase, works great for the price & does what I needed it to do

[@PmmSoares]

The Switch is for Genesis only because of framerates of games in Europe were differente from the states, so games run at different speeds (mainly visible in sonic)

[@captainsinclair7954]

I’ll say (based on this review) that the GB BOY COLOUR is one of those knockoffs that are somewhat better than the original. Better lighting and pre-included games are obvious upsides, and it’s so close to the original in basically everything outside of casing color that it’s one of the rare GREAT knock-offs.

[@ImperatorGrausam]

4:02 Wow, I just noticed that cart has Sweet Home built in! Thought it was a bit more "obscure" in terms of horror NES games but since it's very much related to Resident Evil I can see it being famous.

[@SantiagoMonroy5]

And now they are 40-60 dollars on Amazon lol

[@nikolai1590]

i think the box between the first edition and the actual have a little difference, but it doesnt affect the price, yet

[@weegyartist]

So that’s how my Nan got me one.

[@namesurname4666]

Amazon selling illegal stuff??? In italy you can't even find a nintendo ds

[@Andrew-McCormick]

Mine was 90. Bought is September 2019, got the 2018 version

[@vittosphonecollection57289]

@@namesurname4666 Lol I live in italy and I have a DS. HA!

[@zjjpp1]

5 hours later gets copyright striked by Nintendo

[@Malcadon]

Nintendo would be petty enough to do it. I have heard that they throw copyright strikes on people who just talks about their games.

[@-The-Darkside]

Simply respond to copyright notice as fair usage, call them out, tell youtube to watch the video. There's nothing Nintendo can do about it.

[@ABaumstumpf]

Valis - so? They still make false copyright claims and that in it self is already a crime. And the strikes can easily destroy a youtube-channel as it can take months for the whole thing to get cleared up. And in that time several things can happen to a channel - like video-length getting restricted to 5 mins, or monetization of the video going to Nintendo.

[@Malcadon]

Yep, Nintendo been nothing but rotten bastards on KZbin.

[@brandonfesser1893]

On KZbin? *Nintendo have been nothing but rotten bastards full stop. The cheeky cunts assfuck their most loyal fans every odd second of the day; e.g. intentionally limiting supply and subsequently discontinuing the NES Classic Edition before the demand from the initial hype was met. Fuck Nintendo. Steal [pirate] everything they make and don't feel any remorse. They feel the same about you and your money.

[@VIKINGSS3]

The Generation Nex Console seems to have a "Wireless" On/Off switch on the right side, this can be seen at 8:12 in the video. How come you didn't make any comments on that?

[@thundercat_pumyra]

VIKINGS I was wondering that myself

[@mayravixx25]

I can't remember if it's legit, but I think I heard from another KZbinr that it's intended purpose was to update the console over Wi-Fi. Can't remember who said that, but regardless, I'm sure it doesn't actually have any use at all.

[@VIKINGSS3]

Ah, that's too bad. :( It would be awesome if it could play games over wifi without needing cartridges or something like that...:P

[@xalataf3365]

VIKINGS He also did that with the Laser PC6 in the Laser computers video. There was a HUGE infrared blaster yet he doesn't make any comments.

[@VIKINGSS3]

Well, he is only human after all, some mistakes here and there are to be expected and the quality of his videos overall is quite good. Sooo... I just hope he maybe reads these and is a bit more careful in the future. And if you are reading this 8BitGuy please consider shooting your videos in 1080p too in the future please!! Thank you.;)

[@JerBuster77]

The scalping is going to be the worst when the SNES mini classic arrives later this year.

[@Anex952]

pre-order one this time then

[@vresi]

@ANEX Scalpers generally don't walk into stores to buy things off the shelves, because by then it's too late. These things need to never even reach the retailers for this to work on an industrious scale. Thousands of people where I live, have pre-ordered one, including people I know, saying that they have been waiting since Christmas last year and only _now_ got an email saying that _"Sorry, but we didn't get any so your order is cancelled"_ . Those machines are now on ebay and is going for $400+

[@AbbreviatedReviews]

You couldn't preorder the NES Classic, so who knows if they'll have preorders of the SNES.

[@dagrandchamp25]

GBuster *worse*

[@sillymoneymane2002]

I

[@jamatari6418]

If you remember, the old nes joystick had a slow and turbo option. It worked the same.

[@AntonGaming-dc2ym]

8-Bit Guy: I Bought This Thing That Has 143 Games Ah, Yes, Those Good Old *Bootlegs*

[@DeHammXXIII]

Yeah.....

[@williamroberts5716]

I like the ones with 450+ games but contain 3 copies of each game.

[@grahaminatorca85]

It was neat to see all the different third party solutions.

[@catlover10192]

I'm surprise you aren't familiar with turbo and slow-mo, they were common features in contemporary 3rd-party controllers.

[@pwammann1]

Very cool for us folks that grew up in this period. I wish I had more time to watch all your excellent vids! Thanks!

[@Risenphantom]

I have a "32 in 1" GB cartridge that's really just 9 games duplicated

[@jjjoshiii6659]

Imtinan Hossain woooooooowwwwww its 32 games 32! You had one job cartridge

[@Geno2733]

Most of those combo-packs had maybe 10-20 games on them, and then the other 980 were hacks/modded versions of those original 20 games.

[@notLL5]

Wow, another Linkin Park Fan!

[@ItsNotakin]

I once had a 99 in 1.

[@Habtholomeu]

I have the same one!!!

[@DanielBartholomew]

I had the same issue with finding an NES Classic. I say "had" because right before Christmas I gave up and built my own using RetroPi on a Raspberry Pi 3. It doesn't play cartridges, but it does have HDMI out, which, like you say, is nice to have. It also emulates several consoles from NES and SNES to Atari to Genesis to Intellivsion and even Arcade games. I'm pretty happy with it, but I'd still love to get an NES Classic, if I can find one for $60 or less somewhere...

[@liquidpig]

Daniel Bartholomew that's exactly what I did! I still can't get Coleco or Intellivision games to work though. :-/

[@wattage]

Same here. After the announcement last week, the Nintendo rage kicked in. I insta-purchased an Rpi3 and got rolling with RetroPi. It still stings. But not nearly as much. I really wanted one of the NES Classics. But the scalpers are unstoppable and unbeatable. They get them and that's it. And then with today's announcement about the SNES Mini - I've already written that one off, too. It's a shame, but at least we have awesome affordable alternatives.

[@williamhayden7711]

Daniel and Steve I'd like to reach out to you if possible. Have some questions that I'm finding difficult to answer to any satisfaction.

[@williamhayden7711]

Steve how do I message you?

[@shadeymcbones6707]

i recently got a raspberry pi as well but i quickly ran into some issues. some games flikker horrible without crt scan on. but turning crt scan on overheats the pi unless you've installed heatsinks, and it still overheated sometimes when i was playing ps1 games so i had to buy a small 6v fan, turned out the fan was way to big so i had to cut pieces out of my case and modify it with lego to fit in the bigger fan. all in all, the raspberry + neat 8bitdo controller has cost me a lot more time and about 120bucks but atleast i can max overclock it now without it ever overheating and i can run ps1 games without any issues

[@JohannBosch]

The GB Boy doesn't have an infrared port... it's just a blank plate to replicate the look.

[@JonathanWJ]

How many of your pals were you planning on linking your GB Boys with, dude? ; )

[@gex581990]

Johann Bosch also it doesn't have proper integer scaling

[@JohannBosch]

Indeed. Still a good purchase for the money

[@TheSliderW]

the games included also don't have any functional saving options. Donkey Kong (@ 12:51) for example doesn't allow you to save and even shows data corruption so you're stuck in the early basic stages.

[@mischavandinter3463]

One of the sound channels is also missing. The sound is not really mono, it is just one of the stereo channels.

[@dhruel]

I'm looking back at this, after already having a Switch, and thinking of how Nintendo likely stopped producing the Classic NES and such, because they planned on providing the games via their online service.

[@bloody_mate2272]

*humming of cartridges* Original NES: ahhhhhhhh. Aftermarket: AHHHHHHH.

[@SarahLJP]

12:25 They're in Traditional Chinese. It probably came from Hong Kong or Taiwan. That game is 三國英雄傳 (sānguó yīngxióng chuán) or Heroes of The Three Kingdoms.

[@WMG-win10]

@SarahLJP It's not (sānguó yīngxióng chuán)，it's (sānguó yīngxióng zhuàn). (as a Chinese)

[@SarahLJP]

@@WMG-win10 Ok, I'll take your word for it. I can't really speak or read Chinese.

[@jacksonshelton8055]

Surprisingly, the GB boy colour actually uses a 1:1 hardware clone of the original GBC hardware. You could probably put a GB boy colour CPU in a Nintendo GBC and it would still work, because it probably has the same pinout!

[@petrus4]

Very nice coverage. It's good to know that some options are still out there for people who want to play the old games; especially when you consider how unpleasant the AAA PC market is becoming.

[@forsetha]

"Listen to the background and you will here a faint humming noise." *Turns Volume Up To 100 To Hear It.* Now, talking sounds like, "NOW IF YOU LOOK OVER TO THE HYBRID THE HUMMING NOISE IS MUCH LOUDER!!!!"

[@vittosphonecollection57289]

*NOW IF YOU LOOK OVER TO THE HYBRID THE HUMMING NOISE IS MUCH LOUDER!!!!!*

[@gamerskills1571]

chexk out my KZbin channel Plz

[@chemselox]

@@gamerskills1571 why

[@jasonreed4225]

That was actually really enjoyable. Nice job, stranger.

[@narthar7113]

The console is not the retrobit, that is the company. The console is the super retro trio.

[@ccateni28]

NarThar ikr

[@ldchappell1]

I bought one of those 8-bit generic consoles in 1994 for $5 at a flea market. It was still in the box and worked great. I was a big fan of the 16-bit Super Nintendo console but I could no longer find the cartridges after about 1998. I _never_ did get to the end of Mario World.

[@ErnestJay88]

only 143 in 1 ? usually those kind of pirated cartridge are 9999999 in 1 (actually only 30-40 games repeated)

[@mariannmariann2052]

Yeah or over 10000 million in 1 (i exaggerated lol)

[@thoseonetrains]

10000 million doesn't make sense, rather say 10 billion.

[@lizcoupar3073]

what about 0 in 1

[@thoseonetrains]

Hilarious.

[@tlazo3627]

tbh who actually read the list for the 143 in 1 and after a year and a half no one has noticed that one of the options was Metal Geat. Yes i meant to type Geat, it says that

[@Nesseight]

"YOU MUST clean your games metal contacts with rubbing alcohol or glass cleaner using a cotton swab..." - No NES cartridge ever, (but still accurate)

[@Wflash00]

Funny cause they advise against it

[@Nesseight]

They wanted to sell those expensive cleaning kits, like $15 for a one ounce bottle of clearly marked isopropyl alcohol, what is effectively a Q tip, and a card with a piece of nylon glued to it for the control deck. :: Sponge Bob meme face :: dO nOT USE IsoPROpyL aLcOHoL-- :: grabs Sponge Bob, saturates him with the solvent, and proceeds to clean every contact with his face ::

[@TvValenti]

There’s a secret way to put the game in to make it work all the time I learned as a kid.

[@ninjamaster3453]

so pissed at Nintendo. those classics are now selling for $350 and up.

[@tohopes]

They're a gimpy product anyway. You're limited to a fixed set of games. Use some sort of emulator instead and be able to play any ROM you're ever interested in.

[@lilg8017]

Damn why did i pay 180 back in December. Now I can't even pay that much

[@japzone]

At the prices they're going for on eBay now, you might as well buy an Analog NT Mini. Solid hardware that perfectly replicates the NES, HDMI out, 100% game compatibility, and you can easily Jailbreak it to allow ROM dumping and play without voiding the warranty. Or if you want something cheap just roll your own RasberryPi emulation setup.

[@max003mk]

And I returned mine when I got it... :(

[@feelinghealing3890]

So pissed at myself. I could've sold some of those classics for $350 and up.

[@samfrito]

The world of retro gaming continues to put more products out to play older cartridges. Kind of amazing.

[@TheRetroMacNerd]

I still can't believe that Nintendo killed it off

[@MDPToaster]

The Retro Tech Geek h Most likely legal issues.

[@vresi]

@BadDriversOf Tennessee Heh, um, no. Nintendo has been doing this for decades and they're still going strong. The reason they pulled the NES Classic is probably because the revenue wasn't earth shattering and to create that good ol' Nintendo collector mystery thing they have going on.

[@technologyproductions-ye3px]

The Retro Tech Geek me neither

[@AdvanceAudio]

but why?

[@emptyspotlight]

The Retro Tech Geek same with the Rosalina smash Bros amiibos

[@DeskoDev]

The switch is for region changing on the Genesis.

[@joshua_colson]

Even though I was born in the 2000s my parents bought me. Gameboy when I was young and I can remember being in my living room by the window trying to get the best angle of light to play my games

[@ERIMATAIMY]

02:31 I'm noticing here there's some audio issues, especially when you throw items in SMB2.

[@JG-pw5cr]

Rasberry pi3 + case + sd card + roms + retropi = awesomeness

[@liquidpig]

jesus gutierrez that's how I roll baby

[@saturn0660]

Indeed... Then you get every game for all systems.

[@tohopes]

What sort of box do you put it in and what sort of controllers do you hook up to it?

[@liquidpig]

tohopes any USB controllers, regular PS3/4, Xbox controllers work, or buy retro style controllers (SNES style is popular). My case is a basic black plastic one like this one www.codingtoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/CanaKit-Raspberry-Pi-2-1GB-with-Premium-Black-Case-0-300x300.jpg

[@KhanGarth]

Even a Zero will play up to and including some N64 games and is literally only $5.

[@BrainSlugs83]

If you're playing NES on a SNES controller it should totally be Y/B (where Y is B, and B is A) -- This is how all the SNES games work, Super Mario World, Mario All Stars, etc. -- It's not backwards, it's correct. -- Auto firing pause is how the original "SLOW" buttons worked (like on the NES Advantage, etc.). @12:25 -- that's Chinese.

[@twario_art]

Yes! Any other way is a nightmare for my thumb, I don't know how people stand it. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when all the Game Boy virtual console games on 3DS use the A and B buttons only, it makes games like Mario and Megaman a nightmare to play for me, when I had zero problems playing them originally. Thankfully Ninty wised up with the Wii U VC and made buttons customizable so I can change A/B to B/Y.

[@Cobalt985]

I have an NES Advantage with an original NES, and yeah, that's exactly how it works lol. It works better on some games than others.

[@tsuronxii4614]

Yes

[@EnragedDemon666]

watching this at the end of 2018...... i just bought an nes clasic from walmart a few weeks ago for $60

[@DiscNotFound]

I don't know why but the rewatchability of the 8 Bit Guy is really worth it

[@MarioGlitchy9]

2:28 I noticed how Super Mario Bros. 2 has the square wave and saw waves swapped... hmm

[@gtx-808]

I love my mini nes but I wish it came with long controller's cables & you could download more apps and games into it

[@meWASHER]

When it comes to the GB Boy Colour, I think you'd be better off just going with a Game Boy Advance SP. They can be had for about the same price, maybe a little bit more, but you also don't have to worry about any games not working on it, you get a much better screen, plus it can also play GBA games. The GB Boy Colour actually seems like a pretty decent system for what it is, just a bit pricey compared to what else is available.

[@davidt8087]

No. We have 4090 graphics cards. Why would we BUY knockoffs for $50-100? I don't understand why people do this. I was downloading nes/Sega emulators for PC with THOUSANDS OF ROMS for FREE way back in like 2000. You can still download all these garbage games free. I grew up playing 8/16 bit games (I'm assuming ppl watching this channel aren't mostly gen z kids lol), but even I got over these 8/16 bit games when the PS1 came out. After PS2 I was instantly REPULSED by the quality, graphics, and game play of older gen games (Except some gems from the Genesis such as sonic and street fighter)

[@CrashMan6547]

I think another thing you forgot to mention with the after market consoles is that the sound is different, compared to the original NES. I think it’s a difference in hardware that causes this, but the original NES just has a specific sound to it, giving it that iconic sound. The aftermarket machines seem to utilize more/different instruments, making them sound different.

[@rawkinghorse]

That one GB game you showed was Destiny of an Emperor and it definitely looked like Chinese text

[@Guitarplayer7253]

4:17 that's a long saying

[@legendaryaNdepic]

Sonic Bye!

[@grkb]

i love the typo on the french title... "Nitendo NES Classic : Alternatives et clones"

[@stridertechz]

@Chaziz you’re lucky you got punctuation in the title

[@grkb]

looks like the title was fixed.

[@308dad8]

Not selling for, sellers are asking. I got an original NES for $100 a month ago

[@Bro3256Films]

You didn't point out the sound difference that most of the clone consoles had :/ listen at 2:41 closely

[@crazyplantmae1610]

I remember that my whole family had NES Famiclones back when I was 4. My older siblings used to play kind of console that had keyboard and a mouse. And also I remember how I played SNES games in disguise of Arcade Coin. It was good times.

[@jevansturner]

I would recommend the last revision of the GBA SP. The AGS-101 had a truly backlit screen. It plays *all* GB, GBC, and GBA games. Also, the screen is far superior to the GB Boy Colour.

[@DFX2KX]

yes, but the screen alone is $100. And a working SP is a good bit more. For the price, it's not too bad.

[@noanoxan]

lol no it isn't, it's $42 shipped from eBay and a full 101 is about $60.

[@jevansturner]

It would only have jaggies when you stretch to wide because it's non-integer scaling. Play at normal size without stretching. I was completely broke a few months ago when a particular flea market vendor had like 7 GBA SPs for $25 each and no less than 5 of them were -101 models. I would have bought them all if I could have.

[@lotrbuilders5041]

jevansturner for people not wanting to buy anything separate. For iOS there is GBA4IOS, which works great for Gameboy games

[@Alias_Anybody]

If you only want to play GBA games, the DS lite is cheaper and on par quality wise.

[@gamba9740]

I have followed and subscribed to David's YT since I was young, and I always come back to this video for one quote, "If a company does not want to actively make their product available for sale, then I don't shed too many tears when people pirate the material." - David Murray (The 8-Bit Guy)

[@Race_World]

4:02 I've actually seen that cart. I saw it at one of those impossible to win arcade machines. They had an NES Classic Edition with one of those carts... shouldn't the people know that you don't put carts into the NES Classic?

[@pinfarmer]

The answer is easy. Buy a cheap toaster model and an everdrive! Instant all games for cheap on original hardware.

[@MrLurker906]

Toaster model is great but everdrives are really expensive, but worth the money if you are really invested in classic gaming on original hardware.

[@darrnellnott07]

NES everdrive is like $150? I was surprised to see it that pricey compared to the SNES and Genesis ones. Well, the China ver SNES everdrive (which works great for me)

[@SeGa32xXx1]

DB N What is it about the China Genesis Everdrives that people have a problem with again? Model 1 (High Definition Graphics version) incompatibility or something like that? What's the story with that?

[@igano111]

DB N NES Everdrive is $118 (the original from krikzz). Not that it's cheap, but it's definitely worth it imo.

[@Sarge92]

can the everdrive simulate the extra cartridge hardware some nes carts had?

[@HarGabt]

Another difference that wasn't mentioned i found here: duty cycles on square waves are swapped, so they sound different.

[@XaidynPinckney]

Same

[@orangejjay]

Cracks me up. Can tell that 8-bit Guy doesn't have much experience with NES/SNES and other emulators as they've got all sorts of these features implemented and they work quite well. Hell, I LOVE being able to speed things up to skip cutscenes.

[@Rebcap05]

[Message from late 2017] The NES Classic will return Summer 2018. And only 60$. [End of message]

[@Rebcap05]

ON THE OFFICIAL NINTENDO WEBSITE.

[@Rebcap05]

Yet.

[@Rebcap05]

Summer, 2018, Nintendo website. That's all i'm gonna say until the end of time.

[@MATAM29]

Grand dad Ok

[@that1lizardjamie]

How GRAND

[@chryosolite9397]

We need 10 hours of the keyboard typing in the intro

[@MinecrafterPictures]

The NES Classic got rereleased and I'm pretty sure that even though it will be discontinued (not any time soon) it wouldn't be a money waste anymore

[@nexxusty]

It's been discontinued for over two years now. Legit WHAT are you talking about?

[@UnchallengedGaming]

I bought the snes Classic and have loaded it with gameboy color, gameboy advanced, n64 games and a few snes games - we’ve been playing super smash with my 5yr old.

[@TheMasonGamer]

Good news buddy: they announced they're making them again in 2018

[@raviothethief8292]

TheMasonGamer I got a snes classic like a classy young person

[@GodKing666]

...your statement about Pirating 😌 Earned you another subscriber. That is SO true! I only "pirate" what I can not find in stores.

[@fheedpexx9267]

I mean, how could you possibly pirate these games even? It's 2019. Surely we've all bought these games multiple times by now. Do people like get rid of all their games once a year and then need to buy them again or what's happening lol. And even still. If you bought a game in 1985 and lost it, you still have the right to own it and have the files. It doesn't matter if they come from your original disk or some website.

[@user-yw8sr3uj1w]

@Anoneemus Noename I love your argument! Thank you!

[@TheRogueMaverick]

I pirate games that are hard to find or are not readily accessible. But I also feel that if a game got a sequel or a port to a new and accessible system, I’m going to pay for the game! I found a WAD file of The Ultimate Doom years ago, but I finally got the version on Switch after it was updated to be better. Now I have played that more than on PC.

[@yamahonkawazuki]

i use emulators. ive got 0one of the chinesium scented mini nintendos. really no problems. but many duplicates in the playlist.

[@MilesPrower1992]

If they won't sell me a SNES Classic, I'll get Earthbound another way

[@stewiegriffin6503]

for me, the first clone for 18 $ is the best.

[@nickgamer2693]

I got my hands on an NES Classic Edition (U.S. Version), on the day of it's initial discontinuation, in April 2017. Earlier, I mistakenly got the European Version. The only difference is that the U.S. Version has a poster.

[@girhen]

I have to admit, I saw a bunch of your videos, and then saw My Life in Gaming a few months after. I thought Try4ce was you for a bit, ya'll have a similar attitude and style. He just gets a little more...excited. That's no insult. Ya'll are both passionate about your retro gear. Connoisseurs of tech.

[@TheSushiman1787]

girhen WTF is connoisseurs? If you're TRYING to write in french, at least spell it correctly.

[@girhen]

con·nois·seur ˌkänəˈsər,ˌkänəˈso͝or noun plural noun: connoisseurs an expert judge in matters of taste. "a connoisseur of music" Yes, I spelled and used the word correctly - even the plural form is right. You've really never heard the word used, particularly with food?

[@XeLProductions]

You kind of look and sound like an older McLovin; no disrespect intended. I love your videos.

[@jemmanuel09]

😂

[@diskoeric2248]

by you including "no disrespect intended" makes your statement disrespectful.

[@yamahonkawazuki]

@@diskoeric2248 he could say by your comment could be treated the same way.

[@fidelrivera2887]

So it wasnt just me who thought that! Lol.

[@XeLProductions]

Disko Disko C I respect your right to be wrong.

[@Lukeisdumb23]

Wait I watched this 3 years ago nostalgia

[@shank8966]

Same lol

[@Bobwigman]

Same

[@microgames10000]

Some PAL Super Nintendo games check for the refresh rate and that’s why it needs the NTSC/PAL switch.

[@GameJon]

That dead pixel on the GB Boy though *shudder*

[@sbeebustaf4952]

As of 2018 December the nes classic is restocked

[@kraig8812]

Hooray!

[@skz5k2]

As of June. I Bought it on Amazon at the end of June 2018

[@Kiwi_As]

I swapped a PS2 for a NES Classic that someone had already modded.

[@horror7927]

Yep I got mine couple of months ago like June 2019 at gamestop

[@GrounderSez]

GOOD NEWS FROM 2018, IN JUNE THE NES CLASSIC IS BACK

[@b.j.hardwick9374]

Hi there were plenty on NES and Famcom clones. In Poland there was Pegasus and in Ex-USSR countries ther was the Dendy. I live in Warsaw and have seen working Pegasus systems. These 130 game cartridges were very common for even tn NES era black market clones.

[@arnierc4]

143 in one for $50? I got my NES 500 in one for $9 on eBay...

[@tohopes]

But did it have Cheetahmen?

[@querpmuerp]

Yep! They are also pretty cheap on aliexpress.

[@ebheron]

All this Tat, I almost thought I was watching a video from Ashens

[@fatalsavage9941]

The company is called retro bit. That is called the super retro trio

[@mrgamerthecoiboy9810]

ThatOneGuitarGuy 98 me too

[@eukelarTV]

People on eBay charging 100$ + for a decent looking machine right now I wanted to get something tough that lasts forever and is simple for my kids to get started on but idk if I can spend that much on something idk for sure its working till it shows up