Nintendo's Emulation Fight Heats Up! More DMCA's All Around and Now Sega Joins?

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This is a follow up video to last months video: Did Nintendo DMCA attack Vimm's Lair? Or were DMCA trolls involved? Lets find out! Because it turns out it WAS Nintendo and their partners that send the metric ton of takedowns to Vimm's Lair and Nintendo's emulation fight continues on...most likely due to iPhone emulation and retro game emulators on iPhone now being a thing! Plus Nintendo sent MORE DMCA takedowns to the Super Smash Bros modding community...and now the ESA and Sega are joining in too? WOW (or the Sega thing is trolling?)
Nintendo Wednesday just issued over eight thousand DMCA takedown requests to GitHub over Nintendo Switch emulation...they just cant be stopped!
Nintendo has killed Yuzu and Citra emulators. Nintendo Switch emulation at least on the Yuzu emulator front is gone and 3DS emulation on Citra went with it! So let's take a look at the Nintendo lawsuit, find out why Yuzu lost and talk about what this means for game emulation moving forward! Because Suzu emulator is here...a new Nintendo Switch emulator that does basically everything DIFFERENT than Yuzu Emulator for Nintendo Switch did. Will it be enough to keep Nintendo's lawyers at bay?
Yes but the Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu threw in the towel anyway due to issues with the Yuzu source code basically leaving Ryujinx as the final standing Nintendo Switch emulation option!
Yesterday news broke that Nintendo is going after the Yuzu Emulator claiming it's illegal and in violation of Nintendo Copyright...which is not suprising because last February I said this was coming and soon! SO let's take a look at Yuzu Emulation, Nintendo Switch emulation and whether or not Nintendo has a legal case to stand on! Because Nintendo is trying to say Yuzu circumvents certain technologies and Nintendo wants Yuzu shut down by the courts! No Surprise...it is Nintendo after all! Nintendo news except NOT positive!
and before this : One year ago I did a video on Nintendo going after Valve and Steam in regards to the Dolphin Emulator and retro gaming emulation in general...and in that video I told you Nintendo was going to end up going hard against video game emulation! Some people didn't believe me...so let's look at the newly updated Nintendo Game Content Guidelines! oh and the competitive Smash Bros Tournament Guidelines are insane too...but that isn't what this is about!
Pivot time! Normally you would be watching a random fun Friday video this morning...but we have bigger fish to fry. Because we are going to be talking about video game emulation, its legal status and how Nintendo is currently threatening basically everyone who ever made a video on a Nintendo game ever with their new Nintendo Game Content Guidelines!
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About eight months ago I did a part 1 video on whether video game emulation / emulation setup guides were legal and I mentioned I thought Nintendo would challenge this moving forward...and they did by removing the Dolphin emulator from Steam. Thankfully I have a long background in copyright and intellectual property law, have taught it to college students and have used this knowledge in many aspects of my working life as a filmmaker and professional athlete manager.
And on October 25th Nintendo went even WEIRDER with their new content guidelines rules! So today we will be talking about the concept of why video game emulation is legal in the first place and why Nintendo's new rules are just seriously insane!
But this will be very interesting to follow as if this goes to a court case it COULD be decided in Nintendo's favor and what emulation of retro gaming hardware as we currently know it could be in serious legal jeopardy!
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[@Wistz90]

Nintendo isn't going to have much success suppressing ROMs when file sizes are so tiny. They're just forcing the emulation scene underground, but when everything below like PS3/SW is usually less than about 5GB -- they're fighting a battle that they're going to lose against increasing internet speeds and transfer rates on SSDs, NVMe & NAS etc.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

They won’t win but they will make it annoying

[@washuai]

Still for me to get and fully backup VL 12 TB, it's about $1200, $300 to do it poorly. Got to get a VPN, before ESA fingerprints the file of they haven't already and start issuing DMCAs to ISPs. This is the bad thing about me not having a good human network. Finding the underground won't be so easy. But I think it's a good thing if gamers grass root connect. Lots of benefits from a united community, well beyond immunity to corporate greed

[@madson-web]

This exploded most likely because of Apples approval on emulators. That's my guess

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Mine as well

[@treesfebreeze7793]

FYI for all my English speaking friends. Russia does not care about piracy at all. Plenty of Russian language sites and domains have all the roms and game mods and Nintendo can't do diddily squat about it.

[@stripedrajang3571]

Are you serious?

[@Atilla7979]

I remember Nintendo threatening the resellers not to put Sega systems in the front or even not to sell them at all. They were also threatening the game developers not to develop games for other platforms (the same games most of the time to be more exact) during the 8 and 16-bit era. They were extremely arrogant. Still remember the 90s and still can not like nintendo for I still see same shit in them. Sorry nintendo fans. I am quite sure it is the least user friendly gaming company and does not deserve the love it gets from its fans. How are the gamers are going to react? We will see.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes they’ve been doing this for near to four decades in one way or another

[@benjaminapeterson]

They are the absolute worst. Ever since YUZU I'm no longer purchasing anything from them. They will be 100% pirated until this changes

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yuzu was the kickoff of the madness

[@nocturnalag7695]

Every gamer who cares about, not just throws around the word while being a collector, preservation, should be declaring Nintendo public enemy number 1. The angry gamers got mad at Sony (shift up say it never happened but gamers won’t believe it) for patching a costume in stellar blade yet the Nintendo loyalists remain quiet when it comes to how backwards Nintendo is at granting access to older gamers. They’ll spend money and lawyer up to make you spend 1000s on one game that came from some neck beards collection of pet free smoke free grass free homes rather than provide a service that can cater and allow cheap easily accessible older games.

[@TamalPlays]

they are the mafia of game industry

[@mr.horseshoe2301]

Thankfully, I have preserved every video game ever made up until the PS2/Xbox/Wii generation on my NAS. So many amazing games being erased from history due to corporate greed.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Smart :)

[@TamalPlays]

get the ds and 3ds also

[@jhna314]

@@TamalPlays Lucky you. I have the most N64 stuff. But I dont have the time to play😅

[@mr.horseshoe2301]

@TamalPlays yeah, I have complete ds and 3ds for USA and Japan. I am missing Vita, though.

[@collectibles4u]

Same here

[@simon41978]

if they want you to buy what are essentially roms on their services, they should make more of an effort. You own the game and not just for a limited time. Include all cheat codes with the roms and scans of the manual and insert. This is way too much effort though for companies these days.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Exactly. They want maximum return for minimal effort

[@Tall_Order]

Nintendo's Ninja-Lawyers are out of control

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Working overtime

[@Jokerwolf666]

They can keep trying but stuff's going to keep ending up on the internet.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Very true. But for a second take off your “us” cap and put on your “never emulated before” cap. Those casuals out there that just saw their iPhone emulates games. If it’s not easy to find they give up

[@Jokerwolf666]

@@VideoGameEsoterica all they want to do is take away our ability to get these games for free so that every upcoming generation can be sold to.

[@davidpalmer5967]

Nintendo are Bullies over Emulation and Roms

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Very much so

[@gregkempchannel]

I won't buy the Switch 2 or whatever it will be called or any more games for the Switch. I am no longer interested in Nintendo or their products. This is the only way to stop this is to vote with your money.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

They make it real hard to like them

[@tobyzilla]

Yes and I also am doing the same thing I'm no longer going to buy a single Nintendo game first hand or not even at all because of this bs and this is why I really don't make many videos of me playing Nintendo games anymore but instead games like Minecraft and other indie games and games that encourage modding

[@pketh]

100%, I gave my switch away to a friend and it's likely I won't be buying anything else from Nintendo ever again

[@gregkempchannel]

@@pketh Can't blame you! I've decided at least for now I have what I have but won't buy any more and cancelled Switch online. Nintendo has certainly made their money off me, going back to when the NES was current and everything since. My main interest was in more ways to run my games and running mods. I even bought in to the Wii U and many games only to rebuy some of them on Switch.

[@--Traveler--]

Arrr is a great way to go

[@KonamiCode563]

I think SEGA's DMCA move is about the Steam Releases of Sonic. In Japan they just got Sonic Adventure 1 & 2 on Steam, and the Sonic Origins Plus release would cover the older 16 bit and 8 bit Sonic games in their view.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

That’s not a bad assumption

[@Prowerexem]

But why is Castlevania bloodlines on the list. I’m kinda confused honestly

[@KonamiCode563]

@@Prowerexem That game is Konami's, it has been on the list for a while.

[@Prowerexem]

@@KonamiCode563 ): I love the Castlevania franchise though… imma cry if it stays like that forever. Maybe not cry but be upset. I mean why isn’t contra currently unavailable it doesn’t make sense.

[@nicksjacku9750]

Emulation and ROMs have to go to Tor in order to preserve these games to be played!

[@bobcake8904]

Dang- Kaze is really smart- working on his Yoshi’s island rom hack in private till it publicly releases. Nintendo really coming after the in development projects to make it more difficult to modify stuff

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes. Don’t show anything til it’s done and out. Otherwise it’s a huge risk

[@KBroly]

Their upcoming Crazy Taxi game is apparently going to be a remake. Even if it's not, they likely want something like a rom of 'Crazy Taxi' taken down to avoid confusion.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yet weirdly that was still up 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@MacUser2-il2cx]

The new Crazy Taxi is gonna be multiplayer both local and online. :D

[@ofmannotmachine3012]

Will never purchase a Nintendo platform again.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

They don’t make it easy to like them

[@ofmannotmachine3012]

@@VideoGameEsoterica They are making it easy for me to save money though by never spending any on them again though!

[@micahlindley7515]

It's the opposite for me. Taking down fan stuff sucks, but at least it's the only bad thing they do. As for Sony and Xbox? Nope. I'm done with them.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

@ofmannotmachine3012 doing you a favor

[@chrismdb5686]

​@@micahlindley7515The only bad thing they do? Boy, do we have news for you...

[@_BELMONT_]

Im so glad i went on a downloading extravaganza! We saw the signs!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

And the signs were bright

[@WinspearUltima]

Yeah I’m glad I have earthbound and mother 3

[@collectibles4u]

If nothing else get the 12tb hard drive from China one heck of a set

[@washuai]

​​@@collectibles4uthanks for that reminder. That's cheaper and faster than what 12-24TB external hard drives cost, VPN & how long it would take to DL Although, that might not be as comprehensive as the actual VL

[@LandonEmma]

SEGA would never do this at all, I bet it's trolls.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It seems very unlike Sega

[@slayer4932]

Fuck shitendo and Sega. Honestly at this point it is best if rom sites exclude shitendo entirely and make a specific site purely for their games.

[@zeropixelbear313]

Sega DMCA could be fake or troll but who know

[@slayer4932]

@@zeropixelbear313 ATM idk what to beleive. But what we all know is its Nintendos fault that other companies are ganging up on vimm because they struck first. As we know Sony and Microsoft normally doesnt care to this extent.

[@eiadithecoder620]

😨😨😨 n-nn-no, NINTENDO HATES THEIR FANS AND EMULATION!!!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Very true and sad

[@RAGINGMACHOMANX]

More petty. Face it Nintendo, emulation is forever. Accept it already. We're tired of you ripping us off & now you're more bitter that it's being done to you. Only fair so you can't have it both ways. Now Sega wants to join in as well ? Won't make a difference.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

We don’t know if that’s Sega yet. It’s in their name but I’m not ready to call that ink dry

[@WinspearUltima]

I feel like this is a DMCA troll and if it is Nintendo then I won’t forgive them because I never liked Nintendos actions. It has to be a Troll

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s been confirmed to be Nintendo via a proxy

[@WinspearUltima]

@@VideoGameEsoterica that sucks

[@WinspearUltima]

@@VideoGameEsoterica it would have been better if Nintendo actually started selling their roms of their games on their official website

[@MacUser2-il2cx]

Nintendo is the most popular name here but almost all of the rest is by the ESA and that's sus.

[@BryanTrustyChannel]

strange that SEGA is getting involved Crazy Taxi was also on Gamecube so i wonder what that is all about

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Gotta wait on confirmation for Sega. It’s their name. But still some digging to do

[@RobertBoston-n4d]

Get your 12 TB amazon gaming drive soon,.

[@tokyobassist]

Ok then release all those games so we can buy them then. Nintendo is damn tone deaf when it comes to their older catalog. Even Super Mario 3D All Stars being a time limited release is beyond stupid. Nintendo plays a huge hand in how fucked the aftermarket has become for retro games. Availability would surely reduce piracy and ease the price on obviously common games.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes just let us acquire them all. Easy

[@CCCP-sr9ou]

Developers of YUZU, live in Russia, and Nintendo won't do anything to you!!

[@JPstudios.official]

I have a question, is Nintendo's goal to anger their fans, because they do a really good job at it! Also I thought SEGA was never gonna use DMCA because of how they treat their fans, but I guess we can't have fith on anything 😡

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes I was surprised to see Sega jump in

[@JPstudios.official]

@@VideoGameEsoterica I swear of god, if Sega stop letting their fans make Fan Games as well I'm gonna lose it! 🤬

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Let’s hope they don’t go that far

[@JPstudios.official]

@@VideoGameEsoterica Rest in Piece Nintendo/Sega Fandom (for now I hope)

[@alexdaniel8508]

since i updated my nvidia drivers yuzu crashes ......... any drivers past 552.44 makes it crash

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Could try and roll back

[@adamhonan7744]

Dammit Nintendo!...now I have to spend 5 more seconds doing what I'm going to do anyways! Lol!!!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

🤣

[@ProjectionProjects2.7182]

I kind of understand them going after Vimms Lair a little bit, but fan mods? Nintendo at this point just looks very petty.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

If the mods weren’t family friendly I could understand but these are completely innocuous and harmless

[@ProjectionProjects2.7182]

@@VideoGameEsoterica Yeah its dumb. I just wish they would just leave the community alone sometimes.

[@Prowerexem]

Nintendo basically just destroyed the Safeway to roms, it’s honestly starting to become time Nintendo just joins sega and Atari in no longer developing consoles because this is more ridiculous focus on the switch 2 not wasting away money on rom sites.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Grim times ahead

[@GamerGee]

We just gotta get back on IRC or something

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

We’re gonna be back to trading floppies on the playground

[@logan_cadfgs]

@@VideoGameEsotericaTears of the Kingdom Leaked Day 1 on a Set of 6,126 Floppies at the Grand Oak Elementary Playground

[@Yinzermakesvids]

RIP Vimm.....

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Sad

[@hoobadooba4548]

Start backing up your games. No reason to complain, it's in these companies right. You can argue about logistics all day. Emulation is not going to last forever. Honestly you people kicked the hornets nest emulating Switch games. Nintendo giving you a product with physical media too, I can see why they are pissed. And now because Emulation is mainstream you got companies attention

[@laurenalexander4438]

I absolutely HATE Nintendo. I hope they eventually go out of business or get bought out.

[@tobyzilla]

I hope they get shut down or the heads of Nintendo get arrested

[@AdamHPerform06]

You do know that won't happen, right? They're one of the richest companies in Japan, and the Switch is still selling well after 7 years.

[@AdamHPerform06]

​@tobyzilla Arrested for what? Call me a boot thingy or whatever, but it's their intellectual property and have the right to do what they want.

[@tobyzilla]

@@AdamHPerform06 copyright abuse aka weaponiseing the copyright system for thair own self gain

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Odds of that happening are near to zero

[@Flackon]

I was planning to buy a Switch. Not anymore, I guess. Can’t keep supporting this kind of company

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

They don’t make it easy

[@jhna314]

Any suggestions? What is the cheapest possible mini pc for playing Gsmecube games.

[@chrismdb5686]

SteamDeck can play everything up to Switch easily. Haven't tried PS3/360 emulation but a lot of those games are available on Steam anyway, more modern games are mostly released on Steam day 1 so you can play virtually everything.

[@jhna314]

@@chrismdb5686 Thanks. steamdeck costs a lot. I need something stationary that can play PS2 and Gamecube smoothly at most.

[@derylpina1999]

If they hit Ratchet and clank, Sly Cooper and Jak and Daxter and Spyro and Crash Bandicoot? I’m very upset about I’m moving to myrient for good.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Seems they are hitting everything

[@gamelordabd]

I think Nintendo might be planning to bring their NSO subscription based rental service to mobile in the future and they are cracking down ahead of its launch. As for Sega, I heard that Sega Sammy is taking their game IPs much more seriously again after the recent success of the Sonic movies, Persona 5, the Yakuza series, and Sonic Frontiers; pushing hard for multimedia just like Nintendo seems to be going after the success of the Mario animated movie last year. So they could be getting more protective of their IPs now.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I can’t imagine Nintendo letting those games go to mobile but that’s me

[@gamelordabd]

Yeah, I know it's pretty out there, but you never know.

[@keaton718]

Nintendo should start adding randomisors to their games through NSO. And make their own emulator for iPhones and sell their games in the App Store. You can't stop progress but Nintendo could join it, if they wanted to.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

They’d make a lot more money that way

[@MacUser2-il2cx]

Don't blame Apple when Android allows for emulator apps too. There's also Steam.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes but iPhone is “the defacto phone” in most people’s minds. Apple opening up to emulation def moves the needle a good deal

[@phoenixmixgaming4625]

I predict a dark future was coming only a matter of time before things get darker

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s going to get worse before it potentially gets better

[@phoenixmixgaming4625]

Yeah it's safe to say the fate is sealed and things will get so much worst

[@tobyzilla]

​@phoenixmixgaming4625 were slowly entering a dystopian world where companies can shutdown anything they don't like and that is a vary bad and dangerous thing since people will loose the freedom to express themselves or have fun

[@bugsisland3061]

8:19 They all hate emulation and ROM piracy. Nintendo is the loudest one but they all want it gone. Sega has been seen as the “cool one” (few years ago at least) but it’s only a front.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’ll take a front over nintendos actions

[@SkateSoup]

They all hate emulation unless it's them doing it through virtual console/NSO/etc*

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’m sure if Nintendo could find a way they’d get to get a court victory which only permitted emulation for the rights holders and barred it otherwise

[@SkateSoup]

If they can buy enough legislators to get the relevant laws updated in their favor they'll absolutely do that, but under the laws as written they can't get a decision in their favor that won't get overturned on appeal.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Oh 100% they will

[@PopeTheRevXXVIII]

Does Nintendo not want me to buy their next whatever it is? So what was my response when Mr Sujano was talking about this earlier this morning? I went and downloaded the entire US DS romset🙃 and every English friendly Japanese Rom I could find

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Forward thinking 🤣

[@thousandyoung]

They want you to rebuy a Badly Emulated Super Mario Bros. for the 90000000th Time to run on your Fridge at 5 FPS.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Pretty much

[@PopeTheRevXXVIII]

@@VideoGameEsoterica it's turning into Goodfellas "They even shot Shot Vimms in the face so his mother couldn't give him an open coffin at the funeral." *Layla starts playing as authorities start finding Dead roms sites,Mods and Emulators*

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Hahaha nice. I can picture it

[@luminaura3000]

Nintendo wants to re-sell you 20 year old games for full price is why lol

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Fine. Just sell them! Nintendo doesn’t even do that lol

[@luminaura3000]

@@VideoGameEsoterica They do sell retro games on their e-shop.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Not everything

[@cliftonchurch6039]

Regarding game mods, in the 90's there was a lawsuit between Nintendo of America and Galoob regarding the Game Genie cheat device. Nintendo claimed that the device basically ruined the artistic integrity of the product, while Galoob said that the device allowed the freedom to use the product they purchased in the way they see fit. In the end, the judge decided that the Game Genie did not break any laws and was legal. I feel this decision can be used again to defend the existence of mods, especially in games that have no online component. I love the games Nintendo releases, but their business practices are beginning to look real shitty.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

The thing is all the game genie did was change values in ram to new values. So it didn’t use anything Nintendo could claim ownership of. The mods, while harmless to Nintendo, utilize Nintendo IP so legally they are in the right but “morally” they suck for doing it

[@tobyzilla]

​@VideoGameEsoterica I don't care if they are supposedly in the right it's still vary shady and feels illegal for them to do

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

But it’s not. So they can do it

[@trzarector]

An endless fight. Nintendo is absolutely seething especially due to the Apple situation allowing emulators. That obviously hit home hard!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes I def think that changed their thinking

[@srvuk]

One of these days somebody might stand up and say no, resulting in a court case, where I hope, the fact that Nintendo and others have never taken action for decades, despite obvious and open knowledge of mods etc being present. There is a case to say that standard practice had been established but it has to be formally tested. On the other hand, copyright laws on their own do entitle Nintendo, Sega etc all to protect their IP content. It all comes down to 2 choices for end users. 1. Get together and lobby associated lawmakers in respective companies. 2. Stop purchasing Nintendo and others products. Hit them in the one place that really hurts, the bank balance. Neither of these is likely to happen though because by enlarge, the gaming communities are full of very weak people, putting their own greed ahead of any morals. Harsh but both ironic and hypocritical reality.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s just so hard because who has the cash to defend?

[@Yinzermakesvids]

The death of ROMs and emulation is coming now that they're using Ai

[@gabrielmendes9927]

It seems like Square enix joined too

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Not surprised

[@slayer4932]

Don’t think square actually cares about Roms. These have been up for decades and they have never went after rom sites, even Sony and Microsoft which surprises me. Either it’s trolls, AI miscalculations, or because Shitendo and Sega initiated this more and more companies adding more fuel to the fire. Rockstar games are gone too.

[@Davitron_87]

Surely they’d have to realise that the people downloading roms for emulation and flash carts aren’t buying Nintendo switch consoles and switch online memberships anyway. It really seems like a complete waste of resources.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’m sure they do but with all these new emulation devices in peoples pockets (phones) they want to make it inconvenient to the casual potential users

[@Sairiui]

Can't wait for the heads of the Hydra to form more sites outside of Nintendo's reach. Hoping they're safe like Vimm's Lair is, though.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yea that’s the thing…they’ve gotta be trustworthy

[@henryrosariogonzalez7870]

Boycott Nintendo.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

👍

[@collectibles4u]

I don't think if I was Nintendo should worry about emulation on Apple it sucks All Apple users should just go ahead and buy Samsung Galaxy S10 pop about 124 don't worry about your $1,200 crap phone and run the games you want

[@illdie314]

4:07 there are multiple frames in the video where you did not successfully cover the phone number and email....

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Oh no…lol (it’s all public info so it’s just a funny joke)

[@MESHALGAMEZ]

Idk Why Nintendo Are Still Doing This For Some Games from That are from the NES to the Wii Era That They Will Never Get Profit From To This Day And The Fact That They Are Saying That Emulation Is Illegal :p

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Maybe they have plans for NSO on switch 2

[@MESHALGAMEZ]

⁠@@VideoGameEsoterica That Makes A Lot of Sense But The Problem That What Is Going to Happen To The Games That Are Not Going To The NSO And Why Did They Remove Sega Games From Vimms Lair 🤔

[@koffieleut]

Worst thing is, I've only downloaded everything from the NES till the GameCube. I need to buy a few TB more for Wii and wiiu 😅

[@snintendog]

Honestly there isnt enough to bother with all on them just get the Few that are good.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Games aren’t small that’s for sure

[@chrismdb5686]

​@@snintendogWii has a stellar library

[@snintendog]

@@chrismdb5686 Not for a complete library DL Pick and choose on WIi and PS2 my friend.

[@chrismdb5686]

@@snintendog No console has a complete library worth downloading unless you're willing to waste space. Every console has its share of shovelware, that being said, the Wii has a particularly great library. Many multiplats had unique and often better SKUs on Wii as opposed to PS3/2 or the Xbox family.

[@oculusexanimi4882]

Romsets are all over the decentralized internet so let them bark as loud as they want. Never been a fan of their games.. anything post SNES anyway and even those none of what i like are even made by them. They have nothing but cartoonish kid games.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Sure but Vimm is a safe source. Some sites I wouldn’t go anywhere near

[@VOID_ERRor333]

The ESA is also the organization that created the report showing that ~70% of retro titles are not playable on current systems so whenever they go after places like Vimm's Lair I find it kind of disgusting. They know retro games are at risk of being lost and they are perfectly fine with driving the knife in on behalf of the suits at Nintendo and other companies.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

They take money from companies like Nintendo so I’m sure if this is them they are happy to do the bidding

[@VOID_ERRor333]

Oh absolutely, the ESA doesn't care about history, preservation, people who play games, or even game developers. They care about protecting IP and Copyright and because of how skewed US law is towards IP and Copyright holders they can get away with it too.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Def not gamers friends

[@henco.9315]

watch sony do this shit on vims aswell

[@slayer4932]

Normally Sony and Microsoft doesn’t care about roms. But since now Shitendo S$GA are after them more companies are bandwagoning on them.

[@ThreeMs1989]

Sweet Caroline is playing right now!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Context confusing. I know it as a positive. Red Sox song

[@ThreeMs1989]

@@VideoGameEsoterica yes. As retro gamers all join hands to pray that there will be the light at the end of the tunnel!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

The light might be torches and pitchforks lol

[@ThreeMs1989]

@@VideoGameEsoterica I just hope this will end sooner rather than later. Because all those retro gamers are so heartbroken because what if they don’t have the physical version of the original game anymore and want to go back to the glory days of gaming.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Something tells me this will be going on for awhile

[@sagekage93]

Nintendo doesn't understand the shitstorm they've just unleashed 😂

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Probably going to keep unleashing it

[@dan_perry]

That's exactly what I was thinking!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I have no reason to think it won’t continue

[@sagekage93]

@@VideoGameEsoterica Easy way to stop emulation is to create an alternative that rivals or better so that it's easy and convient for us to play their catalog of games excluding certain games due to licenses. That's what Nintendo doesn't seem to understand and get through their thick old fashioned freakin' skulls.

[@Myako]

They very much understand it, as they have done this countless times before. They just DGAF, because it simply doesn't affect their bottom line.

[@alexanderkhan9097]

Why does Nintendo hate fun so much? I mean, ROM and emulator takedowns I can understand... but going after Gamebanana and mods? Come on, Nintendo, that's just shitty.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s literally crapping on their own fans

[@tobyzilla]

Money

[@zexalsrevenge511]

I’m gonna get some heat for this but developers of Switch emulators should’ve WAITED until the Switch system discontinued and kept the project underground and not went public until years later. Maybe then they wouldn’t be in so much hot water. The hardware manufacturers don’t go after emulators for systems that have been discontinued for years, I believe because the system is no longer in market. In fact, sometimes they support it! Like Switch Online or PS+ Premium (dying for more PS1 and 2 games). Don’t expect a PS5 emulator until at least 2036. Also don’t expect a Switch 2 (or whatever it will be called) emulator for a long time. I also feel that emulators based of newer systems should have a stigma around them (imagine somebody harassing you into getting the real thing. For example: “Don’t use Yuzu, get the real thing you broke asshole who can’t afford a Switch. There’s 140 million of them, it’s not hard to get. And Nintendo will hunt you down for using a Switch emulator and illegally obtaining its games.” Or “Why the hell are you using Yuzu or Ryujinx? About 95% of its games have been released on Steam, so what’s the damn point of emulating these games? Just buy a Switch to get those games or use Steam to buy those games.” We need to see more Anti-Switch emulator comments like this, they’d be gold) whereas older ones are totally safe to use. Additionally, I don’t pirate newer games, I feel like I’m gonna get in trouble for it but I don’t feel bad for pirating old ones because some of them are very difficult to obtain.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yuzu’s mistake was accepting money

[@chrismdb5686]

They've gone after Dolphin and forks of it before (like Slippi). They don't care if the consoles are out of print, they feel that because they made it they get to tell people how they can use it, whether we bought it or not. The reality is that Nintendo doesn't have power to do anything other than sell their products on the market, and people will do what they want regardless. They can throw a tantrum all they want, all they're doing is wasting time and resources while turning people against their brand.

[@lpfan4491]

I have a Switch and emulate many of the games I own, which are first party games. Sometimes I also exclusively emulate to use or create mods because I don't want to mod my Switch, so er...no. Even if I didn't, I would never jump against people developing emus for current systems because that is the key to success. Dolphin is only as good as it is because it began development 20 years ago(including being able to emulate online features before they shut down, making restorations much, much easier), while the GC was still recent. PS4 emulation barely got started, which means it would have been a disaster if they didn't start until the PS5 came out. Same with Cemu. Same with *instert whatever other emulator started early*.

[@user-wl2xl5hm7k]

This is the only solution: *All types of intellectual property (IP) laws must be fully abolished immediately, in any and all jurisdictions worldwide.* All IP laws are extremely unethical for humankind. Against Intellectual Monopoly is the most informative book humanity has on the subject now. Against Intellectual Property is another incredible essay, but it’s written from a right-libertarian perspective so if you’re, like me, not right-libertarian you’ll have to read with an open mind and extract what’s helpful. _Only_ these two texts are the gold standard when it comes to intellectual property.

[@user-wl2xl5hm7k]

I also have a playlist (not _my_ videos) of *the* best videos on intellectual property laws on my channel for all interested.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Dude you gotta slow your roll with these comments

[@user-wl2xl5hm7k]

@@VideoGameEsotericaWhy’s that? I’m completely respectful to everyone here. This is just information and resources

[@PopeTheRevXXVIII]

How who is going to lobby the out of touch old farts that don't get it?

[@user-wl2xl5hm7k]

@@PopeTheRevXXVIII Hah everyone. It’s not lobbying, just education of truths

[@hiyazaki09]

i hope there Switch 2 or what ever it's called flop or bomb and file for Bankruptcy, that Super Mario money not gonna last long Nintendont

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yeah I doubt that happens though

[@3up3rn0va]

Nintendo is just fighting fire with fire at this point. They know fans will fight back in their own ways to keep emulation alive. Emulation itself is not legal. Reverse engineering is legal from that Bleem case. Roms are strange though anyone can download if they know what they are doing. 🤷‍♂

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Emulation is 100% legal in the US

[@3up3rn0va]

@@VideoGameEsoterica I have an honest question about downloading roms. Legally its pretty bad but if its the only way to obtain said game is it okay then? Like for example. If the studio shuts down or the game is no longer available.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s one gigantic gray area and there is no real defining judgement on it

[@sonicthejetsetbeat7465]

Nah i don't think Sega is joining with Nintendo. I think the reason why they're removing their games, is because they're assuming that Vimm's Lair will eventually start shutting down because of Nintendo. But yeah. These Trolls gotta go.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Who knows at this point. It’s just wild

[@sonicthejetsetbeat7465]

@@VideoGameEsoterica Yeah, exactly bro. I'm pretty confident Sega doesn't mean any harm. Is just that Nintendo is gun pointing at everyone.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

We will have to wait and see what’s up on the Sega end

[@sonicthejetsetbeat7465]

@@VideoGameEsoterica Yeah, exactly.

[@LightSilver7]

The gamers will fight to the very end of their life if they have to. We will NEVER give in!! lol too addicted to games 😅

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haha we do kind of like the games

[@Sonicfoxtrot]

All the games they've taken down will never be gone from the internet but if they want to do this offer the games for sale.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

No but it’ll inconvenience newcomers to the point where they give up on the idea

[@Sonicfoxtrot]

@@VideoGameEsoterica Yeah like you said that's a good enough reason for nintendo (and maybe sega) to do this now.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yep. The timing is right for Nintendo

[@mozydiaz8296]

The prod keys or the emulators I can understand, the games too but it's not very clear most of them are old and not all the games have disappeared from the site which is very strange! but the mods, just why?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Even those are legal and Nintendo knows it

[@mozydiaz8296]

@@VideoGameEsoterica Yeah, that's the most annoying part 😮‍💨

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Nintendo is trying to say “it’s illegal” with no law backing it up

[@MrMysterious420]

Im purchasing backup drives weekly and my computer is on 24/7 these days, thanks Nintendo

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Better to be smart

[@mushaden]

Better stock up…

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yup

[@RobertBoston-n4d]

No, playing games you own via emulation is not permissible. This debate has been going on for 25 years. You know full well you have all the games downloaded, we all have, for years. Why lie?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yeah it’s def allowed. That law is settled

[@slayer4932]

Another nintendrone

[@METR0lD]

Dark times indeed.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

If only Nintendo was cool like 3DO

[@ProjectionProjects2.7182]

It is simultaneously a dark time and a good time for emulation.

[@SolCresta3405]

Have they declared war on the Internet?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Just the parts they don’t make money on

[@SolCresta3405]

@@VideoGameEsoterica Hmm…

[@iamdmc]

I wonder how much money nintendo loses on wasting their time doing this every year do they really think they can stop it or is it just a symbolic move to appease investors?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Honestly they probably think they can stop it. They are wrong but

[@ProjectionProjects2.7182]

Yeah I wonder as well how much money their wasting on paying for lawyers for this stuff when they could just spend that money on making their older games available for purchase.

[@victorromero8010]

I was prepared for this and got a lot of the roms for the systems I wanted right when they shut down Yuzu. I also have some of the Smash mods I wanted, but some don’t work with the newest Smash update.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Smart

[@DehnusNorder]

Yup, like I said in the other topic, SEGA Joined. Either it's that company that uses AI is doing it by themselves (to get them as a client), or SEGA is now also part of it (more likely). Or just false positives by the AI, even though they are not SEGA and LEGO titles.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Itll be interesting to see how this shakes out now

[@DehnusNorder]

@@VideoGameEsoterica I also am not quite ready to dismiss false positives by AI yet. Like you said that Sonic Adventure was on the Gamecube. AI Learning algorithms can make, too us, weird connections sometimes. But it could also very well be that SEGA did get in it. But it would be quite "dumb" of SEGA to go on this warpath, as they got a lot of name recognition from folks like yourself who dumped, preserved and catalogued their arcade/console games. But my thinking probably is very wrong, as I'm biased in this topic.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Sega doesn’t usually ever do this so I’m guessing it’s going to not be them in the end

[@PM-xc8oo]

I guess I also need to turn up my scrutiny on whether I really "need" further Switch games. I've got enough retro games to keep me busy for the rest of my life so that is a legitimate question at this point.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Same. I can’t play them all in this lifetime

[@jhna314]

Where to download now?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Can’t help with that sorry

[@jamescampbell8482]

I feel bad for all the kids today who aren't going to grow up in a world where they can enjoy a free and open Internet. I wish Nintendo would just embrace emulation. Imagine if they had a first party emulation front end for all of their software and previous systems. You pay a monthly subscription of $19.99, you get access to the entire Nintendo library. Micro transactions for texture packs, the works. They could even push ads through it and get revenue from that, and they would already be way ahead of their competition vis Microsoft and Sony. What's amazing about Nintendo emulation is that entire back catalog becomes modifiable to be 4K, high frame rate, etc. Nintendo capitalized on emulation once with the classic consoles there is absolutely no reason not to turn emulation to something they can use and profit from. they could even hire the devs they've gone after and use the code they've written. But no, easy greedy money

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

That’s all they need to do! $20 a month “Netflix for first party games”. We’d all be happy

[@ProjectionProjects2.7182]

Ads? you want ads to pop up while your playing OOT? That dose not sound like a good idea. Though yes I agree that more of their older games should be made available for purchase.

[@jamescampbell8482]

@@ProjectionProjects2.7182 hell no man, a clickable ad at the bottom of the window like KZbin does, or Pluto TV. You can have ads that aren't intrusive the whole point is they would rather just do the greedy Corpo thing

[@ProjectionProjects2.7182]

​@@jamescampbell8482 Oh ok that makes a bit more sense. Though Im not sure why ads would be required if your already paying for the subscription anyway. Wouldn't that be enough?

[@jamescampbell8482]

@@ProjectionProjects2.7182 it's just a way to point out that they could do it better even while being greedy lol

[@MegaManNeo]

DMCA yes but whether they make use of A.I. or partners to send these out, right now they rather fuck up the whole gaming scene. Even if we all agree we mustn't share these games in most countries (Luxembourg and Switzerland for instance handle backups different), there's nothing wrong about modding games.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

No modding should be free and clear so long as it’s not online gaming and cheating. That nobody wants

[@MegaManNeo]

@@VideoGameEsoterica Fully agreed.

[@RabeDennis]

4:06-4:07 the black bar remove too fast and reveal it in the last frame LOL

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Did it? I wonder why

[@RabeDennis]

@@VideoGameEsoterica xD

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

😉

[@crossover-Incorporated]

We have to remember that we are the ones who feed Nintendo with the purchases of its products. Making a boycott is the only solution to understanding Nintendo is abusing software those retro games that no longer exist on the market. Remember, we have the power.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

The “we” are still a drop in the bucket compared to their entire consumer base

[@crossover-Incorporated]

@@VideoGameEsoterica Yeah, entirely true. :(

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

The regular emulation crowd probably amounts to less than 1% of their customer base

[@shawnchalfant1595]

Nintendo is a company rooted in culture. Their behavior is expected. Kamikaze!!!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s not hard to predict what they’ll do

[@Tacos-oz6vx]

I said this a while back I’m pretty sure it’s because of NSO they are coming hard for everything.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Probably larger plans for NSO on Switch 2

[@derylpina1999]

OMG I’m so upset right now for this!! This year 2024 is gone down hill now. Nintendo is very evil just like trump, They ruin Roms as Nintendo and Sega on vimm lair, I hope not gonna hit Spyro and crash bandicoot fans. But I love emulators when I started 2022 was testing. Just like they did on emuparadise in the past years. And if they hit another Roms, I’m not kidding and excited about this. DMCA has to be gone for good, besides im I love playing emulators while using my computer for fun and I’m supporter of retro video games And emulators. Even worse I’m not getting old games console when it breaks.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Ok zag if Donny T and Uncle Joe were video game characters who would they be?

[@ofmannotmachine3012]

Derylpina, Seriously brought Trump into this? Good lord stop being a freaking child. This is video games not politics. Get your TDS treated please

[@derylpina1999]

@@VideoGameEsoterica idk I’m very upset about Roms is Gones.

[@tobyzilla]

First it starts off with something amazing aka mickey mouse entering public domain but other then that this year sucks for all gamers and people in the real world

[@Ragesauce]

FIRST!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

First to the takedown party

[@joshuakelly9390]

Nintendo has a real case for about 1 in every 50 lawsuits they file. l love the Vimm shout out though. 🫡

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

That won’t stop them

[@joshuakelly9390]

@@VideoGameEsoterica Yeah... it definitely won't... Oh well, good thing I keep regularly cloned repos of all these projects. 😄

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Problem is nobody can afford to fight them

[@BiRaitBec]

Can't wait for AI to reverse engineer all games from roms

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

One day maybe

[@fraggle200]

Just like ghidra can do already?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Ghidra is more a decompiler

[@soulsolis3096]

If there's one thing yuzu's shutdown from Nintendo has made me learn, is that you just CANNOT fully get rid of it, once on the internet, ALWAYS on the internet. Also, what makes me laugh about this, it's like big N is trying to crush a scary spider, only for it to multiply over and over again. That's how open-source stuff works.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Don’t be talking about spiders here. No thank you 🤣

[@soulsolis3096]

@@VideoGameEsoterica but that's how they should see us instead.

[@washuai]

​@@VideoGameEsotericaArachnids are beautiful and help keep down more onerous insects

[@blaster915]

Enough is enough. We need to make a stand

[@retrorobbgaming]

The more Nintendo does this the less I want to support the company…

[@tobyzilla]

Same i want to cancel my Nintendo switch online subscription but before I do that I want to make a video of me playing Mario Kart 8 deluxe online before I cancel my switch online subscription

[@MacUser2-il2cx]

ESA is showing up for Namco, Capcom, and some other company's games.

[@tails_the_god]

it must be a SUPID AI indeed i think bots are going around the intenrnet messing crap up!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

They certainly aren’t doing a good job

[@tails_the_god]

@@VideoGameEsoterica yeah IF thats the reason we must prevent the bots more somehow

[@KaiserSenpai420]

Another great video bro, makes me realize I was how much denial I was in when they announced they wanted to sue Yuzu, I thought nothing would come from it. Not only did they take Yuzu, they'll messing with other emulators and roms. This is so sad, I just started digging into emulation - I'm so sad. Back up, back up, back up!!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

This is what I told everyone and the amount of “fear mongering” and “clickbait” I heard was off the charts. I’m not glad I’m right but I was absolutely right

[@teruienages962]

Good. I am 100% on Nintendo's side on this, because they are 100% in the right. Both legally AND morally. Dumps of commercial roms are NOT "preservation", it's theft. It's straight-up, 100%, objectively, by any legally defined means possible, absolutely, undeniably theft. Anyone who disagrees with this is L I T E R A L L Y wrong. When Nintendo went after Yuzu, it's because Yuzu specifically uses Nintendo owned firmware that was created and copyrighted by Nintendo to be placed within the emulator to even make it function or read games. That's why they went after it and they were right to. Even that aside, things like Yuzu and Citra are absolutely 100% means to play stolen video games and that's ALL that they're good for, and everyone knows this. Commerical roms have always been and will always be unethical and legally wrong. Dumps and backups, when traded, given to another person, is legally, morally, ethically 100% theft and piracy. There IS no way around this. It just absolutely is and anyone arguing against that is objectively wrong. Nintendo is in the right with this, always has been, always will be. Nintendo is protecting their intellectual property from thieves. That is their standpoint, their view, and the motivation for ALL their actions..... and they are RIGHT. Whiny kids on the internet pretend to get angry and outraged about this even though they really have NO right to do so. They don't like it and cry about it because they can't steal games anymore, and somehow delude and brainwash themselves and each other into thinking that the mere act of being on the internet makes it ok to steal whatever you want.... somehow. This delusional behavior has gotten so bad after so many years of ignorant people on the internet getting away with what is essentially internet shoplifting and petty theft every day for so long now, that they actually feel ENTITLED to it. Even though it's Nintendo's games. It's Nintendo's characters. It's Nintendo's property. Imagine someone just breaks into your house and steals every valuable thing you own. And that if you go to the police, they just laugh in your face because they tell you "Well everyone agrees that every other random person has a moral right to take all your things and get away with it, so sorry we can't do anything. It's your fault for getting robbed anyway." That is basically the bizarre, backwards insane rhetoric that ignorant internet kids... like 99% of the people in this very comment section I'm sure.... are using to somehow justifying themselves for being thieves, and somehow blaming Nintendo... the victim... for trying to do something to protect themselves. Its lunacy. Sheer, unhinged lunacy to be painting NINTENDO as the bad guy for getting stolen FROM and PIRATES as the good guys for plundering whatever they damn well feel like from Nintendo, whether it's their characters or literally their actual games themselves, just because it was there to steal. It's not just crazy that you all think and believe this, but it's downright sick, too. Well, everytime Nintendo finally sticks up for themselves, does the right thing AND finally manages to recover some justice back for themselves from millions of literal thieves... I'm going to continue to cheer Nintendo on. Because they're the real victims here and you people are not. You are thieves. Nintendo is protecting themselves from YOU. That's reality. Time to live in it.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I don’t think you will find much popularity with that opinion but everyone is allowed to have an opinion in my comment section

[@ThreeMs1989]

This is a very dark time for retro gamers! I hope this ends and Vimm’s Lair can restore the games for retro gamers or those new to retro gaming once again and end the DMCA misery once and for all.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Sadly I’m worried they never come back

[@NinjaZilla90]

Sadly if this is indeed the work of a group of internet trolls trying to make a name for themselves. They are never going to tell the truth. But I do think that it's a bot posing as these different companies issuing all these DMCA take downs. But the sad part is unless the truth comes out no one can be absolutely sure if these DMCA take downs are legitimate or not. Although I don't quite think they are. Because there's definitely some funny business going on if you look at the pattern of things.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s def bots on behalf of Nintendo. Dunno bout the rest

[@NinjaZilla90]

@@VideoGameEsoterica I just checked the site again and even more ROMs are removed now including the Mortal Kombat games.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

@GeekyNinjaZero odd. Who was the claimant?