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[@capgangchannel6309]

The reason why they didn’t go after temtem is because that game isnt big/popular enough for Nintendo to view it as a threat to pokémon.

[@zeanone9257]

Palworld isn't a "fan game" and their company has a long history of stealing from other games. Pokémon is just the first time they've actually gotten legal action over it. They stole from Team Cherry too but you don't care about that because Cherry is another small studio and you can't get all steamed up about a small studio stealing from other small studios.

[@ZTriggerGaming]

Patents for game mechanics certainly do exist. That's why we never saw the nemesis system find more use outside of Shadows of Mordor. The most obvious mechanic I can see being borrowed here is catching monsters in balls. It seems to be the only common DNA that exists between Pokemon and Palworld that is not present in other monster collecting games.

[@KamiLeVrai]

Some of the mechanics that have patents and Nintendo can clearly sue for in Palword : -Box Storage system Pc box storage / Pokemon arceus storage -Seamless transition when using ridable mounts (Flying,riding,surfing) -Breeding system , egg moves, IV -Same species Pokemon lvl varing depending on area you encounter them -Same species pokemon lvl varing in the same area

[@nullpoint3346]

@@KamiLeVrai Bloody fucking hell, _STORAGE!?_

[@fishlamp8443]

I hope pal world wins

[@letsmakepancakes3]

There’s absolutely no way Palworld wins

[@Theshadowofskull777]

​@@letsmakepancakes3 I don't care, I'll support it until my dying breath

[@iceglobe2591]

​@@letsmakepancakes3Palworld gots both Msoft and Sony

[@p4rm3s34n]

Congratulations, you've fallen for, and are now just defending... ragebait. The entire reason why the game is popular- is just because the game is extremely effective, extremely intentional ragebait.

[@ImmoralxDemonX]

palworld is a hate crime lol

[@RG-Zeldaplayer]

Pocketpairs MO is to build games that look as close as they dare to other companies IP. It's interesting that the lawsuit is for patent infringement rather than copyright, because its blatantly obvious palworld is referencing specific pokemon in many of its designs.

[@Midweekers]

Patenting gameplay systems is extremely dangerous and hurts game development, most big games have taken ideas from other games since the beginning of time (Nintendo included). Look at WB, they patented the nemesis system and now that cool ass system is such in limbo cos people can't iterate on it. Extremely disappointing from Nintendo. Hope the palworld Devs win.

[@GeraltofRivia22]

Saying "unsurprisingly" is just blatantly wrong. It's a huge surprise they're suing over patents. That says they don't have any grounds on copyright infringement.

[@Theshadowofskull777]

@@GeraltofRivia22 it's because Nintendo's probably trying to snuff out the competition.

[@GeraltofRivia22]

@@Theshadowofskull777 exactly.

[@ronelm2000]

The angle is somewhat surprising, but the fact that they've decided to sue isn't.

[@Unapologeticweeb]

@@Theshadowofskull777 wont work because the existence of shin megami tensei and dragon quest

[@kingt1954]

@@Unapologeticweebhow lucky are we to have a guy here in the comments who's more informed and competent in law than the nintendo legal team? It's such an honor to have a legend such as yourself in this comment section sir

[@RogueSith]

Yep they desperate and can't compete with the competition

[@SolitaryLark]

6:44 inspiration is not stealing. Lucario is based off Anubis Pokémon doesn’t own that. Pokémon dumps are ridiculous.

[@cristiany140]

Inspiration not. But using the same model yes.

[@SolitaryLark]

@@cristiany140 they didn’t use the same models

[@dangerouslysafe3]

@@cristiany140 This claim was proven false over a year ago. Please update your info.

[@kingt1954]

@@SolitaryLarkSame proportion Same art style Same theme (a martial artist dog-man) It's more a Lucario inspiration than an Anubis inspiration

[@SolitaryLark]

@@kingt1954 it is inherently both since lucario is inspired from Anubis.

[@TheOrginalSage]

Not a good look for you Nintnedo. As a huge Pokémon fan, I'm disappointed in you Nintendo.

[@brandonscott3423]

I think Nintendo should focus more on making good and stable Pokémon games than taking down a game that has very little similarities to Pokémon

[@UnCasualConversation]

Nah, if someone steals something they should be called out on it

[@sparkjunem1859]

@@UnCasualConversation Palworld didn't steal shit. Nintendo drones are the ones saying that. Even went as far to tell on Nintendo. Nothing was even proven what it was yet. In fact Nintendo can sue with no claim. And drown there income on a case that never goes forward until they just let Nintendo win at the risk of constant cost's for nowhere case.

[@BrainWasherAttendent]

“Very little similarities” lmao

[@Levariatine]

​@@UnCasualConversationyea , "if", palworld is not stealing anything, so Nintendo and GF are petty as hell

[@Pikrioling]

Nintendo doesn't really decide that, since they're only control a third of the IP

[@drauds7drekku]

I don't know what they exactly is suing them for but I know the software patents are very strange and difficult if you steal the same code/function someone else has patent for. Maybe the ones who made palworld have used same software code/function or similar and Nintendo might have patented that and is suing them for it. But I have no idea if this is the case but as a software developer/engineer I know this is what can be an issue and can be very problematic if you don't follow and it's all usually very vague 😅

[@Ayixlia]

I don't get or understand why a lot of grifters and non gamers keep calling Pal World a Pokémon clone when its mostly like Craftopia which is a game created by the same development team. Pal World is a bit better than Craftopia where in that game you also capture monstes, but in a prism like device.

[@56ty_]

Because they copied most of the designs from Pokémon

[@Sapperkeneval]

@@56ty_ If that was the case Pocketpair would have been sued way back when. This is a patent infringement, not a copyright infringement

[@Unapologeticweeb]

@@56ty_ and pokemon coppied the design of dragon quest and creature catching games have existed for years before pokemon was even a thing aka shin megami tensei

[@mammamiawhygod2091]

Ew patenting gameplay is so gross, companies literally shouldn't be able to do this. Like we wouldn't have Sonic the Hedgehog or Fortnite if this was a thing back then so it shouldn't be allowed now.

[@SuperFlashDriver]

Heh, and now you see why Namco did a patient/Trademarks for loading screen games back in the 1990s and it didn't expire until 20 years later in 2015.

[@ZTriggerGaming]

Not a gameplay mechanic, but Nintendo had a patent on the DPad for decades. That's why every other Dpad had been so far behind until recently.

[@FabuBrik]

This is the most braindead take. Just say you have no clue what you're talking about.

[@Unapologeticweeb]

its ok it just means nintendo get sued right back by square enix and atlas who had creature catching mechanics before the idea of pokemon was even conceived

[@sm3ghe4d22]

@@FabuBrik How?

[@lindthechaoticheretic8708]

I can't beleive this knockoff game made by a small indei studio is suing Palworld.

[@joserachi96]

If we wake up tomorrow to a announcement this definitely there "Does a controversial thing before big news drops" cycle like they be doing

[@With2Ls]

How is it at all able to be sued? Because it’s a monster hunting game with cute characters? Nintendo doesn’t own that concept

[@patrickatilano2014]

My money is on "that's definitely not the reason"

[@leaderteammimikyu3024]

Well nintendo patent a mechanic (kinda stupid atleast)

[@darryljack6612]

@@patrickatilano2014 No, that would literally be the reason, as they are suing for Patent infringement not Copyright infringement.

[@Only_Some]

stop making guesses....and just wait to see. your no lawyer you dont run a multi-M Doller co. and you are likely under 25, so stop making assumptions

[@darryljack6612]

@@Only_Some So what other patent would there be involving Pokemon? They arent making as case for artwork, but for mechanics.

[@noahwood2620]

Now I know how Rayquaza feels when Groudon and Kyogre start fighting for the umpteenth time

[@Chronostinman1]

I think people need to realize that getting evidence and other stuff takes months to do.

[@MrMrvotie]

Pocketpair doesn't seem it's being sued for the designs, as character designs fall under copyright/trademark infringement not patent infringement. Which Nintendo filed a patent lawsuit against pocketpair, which only protects against technologies/systems.

[@Levariatine]

They have nothing, they take months to come up with some BS, it's a weak case

[@hooky17]

@@Levariatinewhat exactly are you basing that opinion on?

[@ThreeGoddesses]

Except its not about evidence. They ARENT suing for copyright, they are suing for patent infringement. This means they do not have a case, they haven't even listed which patents they are suing over. In order for them to prove they infringed a patent, they have to prove that the game has stolen mechanical design, not art design. What they are trying to do is bully a competitor out of the market, and are doing the ONLY thing they think they have a chance on.

[@AJ-ey5eh]

@@ThreeGoddesses’they haven’t listed the patents so there’s no case 🤓’ do you actually think they’re going to walk into court and say that

[@Guy-cb1oh]

Its only not surprsing to those who dont know how the law works.

[@brokeninfinitysonic1]

Dude I had so much fun playing palworld. Why should Nintendo sue? They have competition. Make whole hearted new Pokemon mechanic games.

[@BobBillies]

It's the sphere catching in Palworld that's similar to Pokemon, that's what Nintendo is suing them for

[@jacobfoxfires964]

It’s more likely to be settled. Usually with lawsuits, you don’t go directly to court and sometimes they would just take settling it. Usually making some back room deal that both can agree to. Don’t know the actual grounds Nintendo would be looking for. But I really doubt they would just kill Palworld outright. So Pocket pair might of done something to really step on the toes. Which if you look at their comments and their history in games, it wouldn’t surprise me they ripped assets and mechanics out of games to make those cash grab games. So if anything they would make a deal and would change things and basically things would go on.

[@GameBooAdvancePlus]

Most patent lawsuits involve massive reaching. This lawsuit wasn't made because their rights were infringed, its been made because Nintendo is seething that this game got success.

[@BoTalksGames]

They stole an exact model from Primarina and used it in Palworld lmao

[@PixelPikmin]

“Seething” dawg what are you on about? I don’t think Nintendo cares about how well the games sell considering we’re at the point where every Pokemon game sells almost the exact same as Palworld regardless of quality

[@CapnCoconuts]

​@@BoTalksGames Stealing models would be COPYRIGHT infringement. Your beloved corporate god had 8 months to sue for copyright infringement, yet they sued for PATENT infringement. *Eight months.* Not that Nintendrones would know the difference between the two, though it would be hilarious to find that Nintendo needed 8 months just to sue for HURR DURR PRIMARINA.

[@PixelPikmin]

@@CapnCoconutsBro, can you like, not let people have opinions without resulting to elementary school insults like Nintendrone? If you don’t think they’re knockoffs, cool, move on

[@CapnCoconuts]

@@PixelPikmin Is nitpicking my vocabulary the best you can do? Speaking of elementary school.... And Bo is claiming that Pocketpair stole models. This is distinct from making knockoffs of those models (which, btw, Pokemon did to Dragon Quest). And need I reiterate that knockoffs are a copyright issue and not a patent issue? Next he'll tell me piracy is a crime because Nintendo said so. He has his right to express his opinion. That's a First Amendment right. He does not have the right to be respected for stupid ones.

[@stephtastrophe]

I think they are going after patent because maybe they can't do copyright because whilst the pals look quite a lot like the Pokémon that it's obvious yes they did take the initial design, I'm wondering if they've changed it just enough that they can't claim copyright? As I think that happens. Like you see toys from China sometimes and I think they get away with it because they've changed it just enough they can't get sued for it.

[@theactualrealpikachufans2018]

@BoTalksGames Apparently it’s a Patent Infringement lawsuit because if it was going to be about the designs of certain Pals then it would be a Copyright Infringement an not Patent infringement, and by Patent that sounds like a mechanic within Palworld that Pokémon already uses which is probably either how the creatures are caught or what they get stored in after 5 have been caught.

[@Aspiepilled]

The gameplay copies ark survival more than pokemon

[@logicalfundy]

Out of all IP Nintendo could sue for - patents? That's bizarre. It means game mechanics or code. Has nothing to do with how Pals look like Pokemon, because that would be copyright or trademark. Maybe someone with a lot of free time could go through Nintendo's patents and figure out what might qualify? Because nothing obvious comes to mind.

[@darryljack6612]

Right? You have people hearing this and hearing lawsuit and they think, "well yea that makes sense Lucario and Anubis do look the same", but that would be under copyright. They are trying to saying the were robbed on the mechanical level. Nintendo is basically making the case that only their game can have creatures be captured by throwing balls, that insane.

[@logicalfundy]

@@darryljack6612 well we don't know the patent(s) in question yet.

[@darryljack6612]

@@logicalfundy Apparently one of the patent(s) has been revealed and it turns out to be the targeting system of the way the ball is thrown at the mon in relation overworld that we see in legends Arceus. Which again is still insane.

[@GeraltofRivia22]

​@@darryljack6612and said patent was only filed in May this year. Meaning Nintendo patented it with the sole purpose of attacking Palworld for being competition.

[@ThreeGoddesses]

They patented throwing objects to catch characters in a 3d space, getting on and off flying mounts, and releasing characters into the environment.

[@stevenXCV]

Fun fact: In 2001 when Eternal Darkness came out. Nintendo patented sanity mechanics until it expired in 2021. They had legal grounds to sue the devs of Amnesia: Dark Descent but they didn't. If you recall, sanity mechanics made that game very noteworthy and fun. So people for the past 20 years were scared to use sanity mechanics in fear of legal repercussions. They held back a genre that they literally had nothing to do with them. They also patented the building mechanics in Tears of The Kingdom even though Gmod did it first. I didn't even know about the patent they are suing pal world for. I feel like they are collecting patents like "catching creatures with a ball" so they can have legal dirt on anyone who dares try to imitate their games or at least that's my theory for excessively patenting things. People don't realize how much of a cut throat company Nintendo is. They are on the same level as Ubisoft or EA in terms of scummy business practices except they aren't stupid like Ubisoft and EA and they sell less obvious scams like amiibos, NSO expansion and limited time games etc etc. And the constant attacks on their own communities like their just mindless consumers is inexcusable. The only reason most of the gaming community hasn't turned on them is cause they admittedly make great games in a period where AAA game quality has dropped significantly.

[@SuperFlashDriver]

I do think that Nintendo is just as big of a monopoly as the other gaming industries, which is why I don't support them anymore after the Nintendo Wii in 2010.

[@dawensci7134]

​@@SuperFlashDriver sucks for you ig

[@SuperFlashDriver]

@@dawensci7134 Yeah, but again, I'm not complaining here since I do keep up with news about it. Just that I don't bother playing their games anymore. But again, that's just how I am and video games on consoles eventually gets emulated 5/10/15 years from the time the console gets discontinued.

[@autisonm]

The only thing I could even vaguely guess that would be mechanically similar between the two (it has to be a mechanic and not a design since its a patent infringement) would either be the ability to ride the monsters or the extremely unlikely case of some sorta "getting berries/held items from trees" stuff. I dont think either will hold up in court but the monster riding one has the best chances.

[@GeraltofRivia22]

One of the patents they're suing over is the ball mechanic.

[@autisonm]

@@GeraltofRivia22 I thought of that at work as a possible one but I didnt know it was multiple patents. I thought it was only one.

[@sparkjunem1859]

Did you just put a cow and snorlax together and claimed it was a rip? Dude wtf?!

[@PixelPikmin]

Really interesting that they came out and did this now all of a sudden. I think it’s probably because they wanted to hit without any warning so PocketPair get blindsided and potentially screwed in court. Also as much as I would like a Switch 2 reveal soon to cover this lawsuit up, I’m going with team October from now on

[@maurice2150]

Because it was way too popular to touch. It would nuke their PR if they did it during the height of Palworlds popularity. It's died down by now.

[@NickMario1]

That would be funny if we get the switch 2 tomorrow cause of this lol

[@GeraltofRivia22]

They did it now because the patent they're suing over was filed in May and granted in September.

[@antusFireNova]

It's likely because you can't build a strong case in 1 day. A similar thing happened with yuzu, the lawsuit was declared months after totk launched

[@MysticalCabal]

Ironic Pokémon copied dragon quest, and they have sued pocketpair. Square enix should sue Nintendo for copying 1000 of their creatures and more. This KZbinr needs to do more research. u like palworld copied from Pokémon the gaming industry, takes inspirationn from other games and put them on their own game. like fortnight battlepass. Also Pokémon literally did the exact same thing to dragon quest took their designs and change color with minor change. Literally what palworld did to them.

[@HaouRex]

So the cowards actually waste they time suing something that did nothing wrong. Instead working on a new console or a good game.

[@Socioromanticism]

Well, first, you can sue _and_ develop games and consoles at the same time. Nintendo/TPC are collectively large enough to put more time and resources into Pokémon games and pursue legal challenges. So that leaves the first part. Given we're not legal experts, even if we read the details of the suit, we'd still probably wouldn't understand it. That said, ...do you really think Nintendo is gonna sue if they didn't think they had a legal case? Especially now that Palworld has more money and has some Microsoft backing? Instead of at the beginning when it would have been easier to bully? Nintendo absolutely has a legal case. It's not if they do. It's what is it?

[@HaouRex]

@@Socioromanticism They literally just can't swallows the fact that someone else made a better game then what they do nowdays. They fear. So instead improve they self they just cowardly sue anyone and anything who do something similar game or made FREE fan game (Like that free metroid game). They even shot down community events and emulators. Also if they really have legal case they whould sue Palworld way before. They only started attack it because it popular.

[@M64bros]

​@@HaouRex Looks like someone didn't watch the entire video accurately, Also some of the fan communities deserved it after what the Super Smash Bros Community did behind the scenes, The fact that people always jump to conclusions without reading the entire article more accurate to have more understanding is completely stupid. I can see why people are starting to despise the Nintendo negativity hate train along with the entire video game community as a whole.

[@HaouRex]

@@M64bros They made a tournament. Nintendo cancelled it cuz they used a emulator version of a old game. Cummunity did nothing wrong. Nintendo deserve what it get. As ex Switch owner i can say that i love some of they game and console but hate how they deal with the users.

[@M64bros]

@@HaouRex "Cummunity did nothing wrong." I don't think you've seen technicals video on the smash Community allegations and what's been happening precisely behind the scenes and what Leffen Unfortunately did along with FreeHax

[@disciplinedisorder3060]

Palworld is obviously a hodgepodge of multiple properties, and Nintendo has identified that certain pieces of that hodgepodge are direct imitations of gameplay elements they had already patented. These gameplay patents are very specific in detail, not broad concepts. In other words, Pocketpair shamelessly copied bits of Nintendo's homework without meaningful alteration--the whole essay might not be a perfect copy, but it still counts as plagiarism.

[@dangerouslysafe3]

Like the patent they made just this year? You know, the one where Nintendo says they own the concept and mechanic of throwing a ball at a monster to start a battle? The same patent they are using as part of the lawsuit?

[@disciplinedisorder3060]

@@dangerouslysafe3 "Throwing a ball at a monster to start a battle" is awfully reductive. The patent descriptions are quite a bit more specific than that.

[@KamiLeVrai]

Some of the mechanics that have patents and Nintendo can clearly sue for in Palword : -Box Storage system Pc box storage / Pokemon arceus storage -Seamless transition when using ridable mounts (Flying,riding,surfing) -Breeding system , egg moves, IV -Same species Pokemon lvl varing depending on area you encounter them -Same species pokemon lvl varing in the same area

[@sm3ghe4d22]

@@KamiLeVrai Yah which is BS nobody should be able to monopolize stuff like that. Trying patent gameplay mechanics is just overall bad for gaming cuz it will really stifle the creative freedom developers have.

[@theonlymann1485]

​@@KamiLeVraii do like to see Nintendo doing the same shit for Square Enix or any other JRPG for that matter for the last one lmfao

[@liquidsnake23]

Please everyone look up what a patent is and how it works. Sucks yes, but it’s not as black and white as you think. If that’s the case then all tv companies would sue each other, it’s something that isn’t as obvious. Could be a code that functions for the capture part or animations, or a functionality that was copy pasted rather putting a spin on it.

[@waterh2o299]

Hey Nintendo how about you focus on making actually Good Games instead of doing a stupid lawsuit that you will lose.

[@Super_Bros.]

Sorry but this lawsuit is happening in Japan between two Japanese companies. Nintendo being one of the top companies in Japan… goodbye PAL World.

[@waterh2o299]

@@Super_Bros. I don't see Nintendo winning at all unless they Bribe the Judge💀

[@LightSaltYT]

@@Super_Bros. I mean, they're trying to get it taken down but I hope that they fail in that. Palworld is also in early access on steam, so if the sphere was the issue they can change it. But what about other games that use the same mechanic? I've played pokemon for years and fail to see other issues.

[@KurisuFenrisWolf]

Got to love the people that believe Nintendo did this because they are intimidated by Palworld. Palworld is a successful game, nobody can deny that, But it certainly isn't touching Pokemon levels of success anytime soon.

[@therealjaystone2344]

Fun fact: Nintendo already lost the case to former Nintendo developer named Shinzo Kaga from the Fire Emblem series of the 90s. Nintendo is gonna repeat the same mistake with Palworld. Why they’re are many clones of certain franchises exist across gaming?

[@M64bros]

Indeed

[@mrconroy4672]

Palworld isn’t worth defending to begin with.

[@darkdoctor1915]

They lost that, interesting

[@IronBlaze77]

You forgot to mention that Nintendo filed an appeal and won the case, though. The specific evidence Nintendo brought was enough to prove that Shouzou Kaga was guilty of copyright infringement.

[@Guy-cb1oh]

​@IronBlaze77 Wrong. Nintendo lost the copyright case. What they won was not an appeal to the copyright case but a separate brand confusion and false advertising lawsuit. Because while Tear Ring saga itself was legally in the clear the advertising and marketing around it wasn't because Shouzo Kaga did interviews where he strongly implied TRS was in the same universe as Fire Emblem which it wasn't and thus was illegal. In short it was legal for Kaga to make a spiritual successor to FE but not to try and trick customers into thinking that it was an actual successor.

[@joeg4707]

The case is ridiculously weak.

[@AJ-ey5eh]

Palworld is a good game on its own. All this legal trouble is quite literally self inflicted because they chose to take so much from Pokémon when they already made a good game on their own merit. Rhey just had to get ahead of themselves and go above and beyond in terms of creative bankruptcy which is sad because a) they should have known better and b) they made a good game which is now getting ruined. So a fan scaled up the models created by creatures inc for Pokémon and put them next to Palworld models. He scaled them up to make them the same size so they’d be easier to compare, and to my knowledge no other edits were made. They found them to be nearly identical. The model itself isn’t a character so it’s not copyright infringement (primarinas and luxray models are not a character in Pokémon, just a design element) but the model itself MIGHT be patented by creatures inc. If it can be proved in court they traced over Nintendo/ TPC/ Game Freak patent, then that’s it. That is very much a crime. Pokémon didn’t take elements from dragon quest or SMT sprites/ models, they literally sat down and made their own. I’m looking at the DQ1/ gen 1 Pokémon sprites comparison Palworld fans like to use, and I can’t see a single element that Sugimori took from toriyama’s art in DQ, while SMT is about real world demons compared to normal animals.

[@56ty_]

Let’s be honest, even with the payed coverage, they wouldn’t have gotten 1/100 the attention they got if it wasn’t for the monster design

[@AJ-ey5eh]

@@56ty_ I agree but unironically I wanted to buy it until I saw how bad it was

[@56ty_]

@@AJ-ey5eh most Pokémon haters fell for it and gave them 30$ for an early access game. This is all the company aimed for

[@AJ-ey5eh]

@@56ty_ shame. They could’ve had a good series

[@MatthewCenance]

That's not how patents work. Either it's copyright infringement or trademark infringement. Patents can't be used to protect physical appearances or names of stuff like that.

[@p4rm3s34n]

Dear commentors who are dying on Palworld's hill... Congratulations, you've fallen for, and are now just defending- ragebait. The entire reason why the game was popular- is just because the game is extremely effective, extremely intentional ragebait.

[@M64bros]

I also find it not surprising as well considering the fact that I'm not big into both Palworld and pokémon.

[@noahalcantar2431]

@M64bros guess what Nintendo should've sued PETA instead of Palworld for making negative depictions of their ip

[@M64bros]

@@noahalcantar2431 yeah

[@noahalcantar2431]

​@@M64brosWhy exactly?

[@mahoganydoughnut6082]

"Nintendo is in the right for sueing. I dont know what they're suing for, but they're in the right."

[@HaouRex]

- Harman smith

[@majicalpandatech]

The designs don’t matter in this case as Nintendo is saying their patent gameplay is being infringed. Which to me seems erroneous

[@leedlebob2667]

Who knows, they might be targeting something really specific. But We'll have to wait and see.

[@That_One_Kobold]

nintendo hasn't specified anything like that as of yet

[@nullpoint3346]

"Anubis" is an Anthropomorphic Jackal inspired by Anubis, does Nintendo own Egyptian mythology?

[@the_pumpking_]

This will be a new low for nintendo if they win the lawsuit :/

[@circledude2362]

They cant win. I know they can't the parent patent was granted on sep 22, 2023. but the game mechanics Palworld uses are based on Pocketpair's older game, craftopia. Patents only apply when granted. And Craftopia was released on sep 4, 2020. Nintendo WILL lose.

[@catandrobbyflores]

If they sue over game mechanics they'd better go after any game that "catches" any kind of monsters. Sandrock just added something similar with the last dlc. I throw a meatball i tame monster.

[@dangerouslysafe3]

You know, it recently got brought to my attention that alot of Gen 1 Pokemon look eerily similar to Dragon Quest monsters, which came out ten years before Gen 1 Pokemon. I thought it only fair to bring this up since people like going "OMG Palworld stole pokemon designs" and claims like that.

[@Mogsreturn]

thats it im not buying any more nintendo this is the starw that broke the camels back for me.

[@Super_Bros.]

Nobody cares. 😂

[@Mogsreturn]

@@Super_Bros. clearly someone cares enough to comment how little they want to appear to care.

[@LightSaltYT]

@@Mogsreturn I was also thinking about striking, but there are way too many kids that do not understand and the parents will still buy the consoles. No matter what, it will always sale.

[@Mogsreturn]

@@LightSaltYT yeah but there are enough games on other platforms that ill survive and ill feel better. im doin my part or not i guess we will see after the courts decide the fate of palworld

[@RetroPiero]

Gotta Sue 'Em All!

[@Ryoland]

Pokemon stole designs from Dragonquest. The closest "Copies" are still vastly different... And copyright only requires a 10% change...

[@therandomuser5126]

Nintendo makes slop and sues companies that make better games

[@RebmunModnar]

PocketPair stole the mesh models but reworked them to make them "different enough" to dodge copyright infringement claims. What they probably didn't realize is that, something in the way these mesh models are generated, articulated, animated, textured, rendered, shaded, represented as a data structure, stored, preloaded or in the way they interact together must have been patented by TPC / Creatures Inc. somewhere along the way as they were working and evolving the Pokemon models. This small error, acting as a legal wedge, together with the glaringly obvious albeit hard to prove plagiarism, the obviously provocative and trollsih position of PocketPair, the fact that kind of sleazy business is culturally not OK in Japan, and the general upstanding reputation of Nintendo should be enough to sway the decision of the court. RIP PocketPair.

[@Wildcatt1999]

I'm actually more surprised it took them THIS long to sue.

[@calhimself737]

Nintendo suing be like: “How dare you innovate and listen to fans, PalWorld!!”

[@wrldonwill]

smh

[@friendlyotaku9525]

People who make the claim Pokemon doesn't innovate have not played recent Pokemon games.

[@calhimself737]

@@friendlyotaku9525 like how they innovated and locked legendary shinies in the indigo disk? Lol

[@PixelPikmin]

@@calhimself737Oh wow, they shiny locked a couple Pokemon, that’s so bad🙄. You could’ve used something like the $35 dlc price or the games running badly but you use that?

[@friendlyotaku9525]

@@calhimself737 Pokemon's done shiny locking for ages, I'm not a fan of it either but it is what it is. But games like Legends Arceus and SV are very much proof of how much they have innovated in recent years, they've been doing a lot of new stuff!

[@jamesford5504]

It's not surprising. The game looks exactly like Pokémon. You even captured the Pals the same way, nintendo didn't have to investigate far. They just had to play it. Obviously, someone at pocketpair was a fan of Pokémon and said at a meeting "Hey what if we made Pokémon into a survival base building game?" Then, when nintendo came with the lawsuit, there acting like "What is a Pokémon?" They deserve to be sued.

[@mr.cheesytoad5845]

Makes sense

[@Aspiepilled]

The switch 2 logic makes sense...but it also feels like a giant cope lol

[@Theshadowofskull777]

@@Aspiepilled nice omori pfp, bought it on steam last month I think

[@harbingerdown9877]

And yet still a better game than milked pokemon

[@Whattheflip64]

Bo do you think there’s still a chance for the switch 2 presentation tweet tonight? 😬

[@BoTalksGames]

let’s get a good nights sleep and hope for tomorrow morning LOL 🫠

[@TheDreadedZero]

It’s 10pm so no

[@Whattheflip64]

@@TheDreadedZero 8pm for me

[@supershoutmonx8327]

my thought is they are Sueing it because i think its the balls hear me out the there was a Jonny test episode that was parodying Pokémon instead of using balls they use square's again they use square looking balls to avoid Pokémon that's why i think Nintendo is Sueing them

[@letsmakepancakes3]

Parody and infringement are two completely different things.

[@supershoutmonx8327]

@@letsmakepancakes3 did you not hear what i said the parody got around the infringement by making the balls square pal world did not

[@letsmakepancakes3]

@@supershoutmonx8327 they could’ve even made the balls exactly like real pokeball if they wanted to. Parody law is a thing you know. Plenty of other shows have made fun of Pokemon and used regular spherical pokeballs. Your whole comment has nothing to do with the situation.

[@supershoutmonx8327]

@@letsmakepancakes3 Ok i disagree with the last part but i'm just adding my two cents

[@darryljack6612]

@@supershoutmonx8327 I get what you are saying, but that is insane for them to do. To say only Nintendo can have a game where creatures are captured in balls, is like saying only COD can have nazi zombies.

[@p4rm3s34n]

So, even though I agree that Palworld intentionally copied a mix of both gameplay and design elements (after all, that's the entire reason why the game is popular- because all of its marketing is just the fact that the game is ragebait, intentionally so.) BUT- I seriously don't think Nintendo should sue them. Palworld was mostly forgotten, and a legal case will draw more rage to the topic, and thus, more attention. And it'll just piss people off about Nintendo.

[@PhillipWord-k9i]

in my opinion palworld is everything Pokemon's not. To me i have had more fun on palworld in a short time compared to years of the pokemon franchise. again my opinion is palworld is everything Pokemon/Nintendo could not achieve on a grand scale.

[@TimmyDaTurtle]

I think worst case scenario, palworld is just gonna have to redesign some of the pals that are too close to pokemon (ex lovander and the cinderace one) I do think around 80 - 90% of pals should probably be fine though, ex. Pals like Lamball, Depresso, Chillet, Frog with a Stick all feel distinct to palworld. At the end of the day, I think both games should just coexist, and let players enjoy whichever game they want.

[@darryljack6612]

You are misunderstanding the lawsuit. They arent suing for copyright infringement. Copyright is what the mon designs would be covered under. If pokemon was to sue for copyright then the argument would basically be "Palworld stole from use because Anubis and Lucario look too much alike". But that isnt the case, they are suing for Patent infringement, which means they are basically saying they were robbed on the mechanical level, not the artistic one. In essence Nintendo is saying "they are only allowed to create a game where creatures are captured by throwing a ball" as their argument.

[@TheRealAero]

The only thing I have real issue with is you saying palworld blatantly ripped off Pokemon, ok as a content creator and one who is high on Nintendo, shouldn’t you also point out how Pokemon blatantly ripped off monsters from the early dragon quest games

[@Lunapink93]

I think suing for patients are just the gateway

[@BoTalksGames]

Palworld gamers are salty about this one

[@ImmoralxDemonX]

they will dye tryin😈

[@MatildatheMoonwolf]

People trying to be normal adults and not trying to pick sides before actually truth is shown (challenge impossible)

[@mushra50]

Just let everybody know super Mario Galaxy isn't even a real super Mario game it was a third party game that had a cute little dragon in it that was being developed as a third party gamepro consoles Nintendo liked what they saw but instead of just licensing it they bought it stripped it all down and replaced it with Mario characters

[@ROLOSMOKES]

Did Nintendo ever lost a lawsuit?

[@wootmasterzorsx]

Like, even if I gave the benefit of the doubt that Palworld didn’t blatantly steal designs, they have so many that are blatantly copying Pokémon and I cannot respect the game when it’s that creatively bankrupt. I can respect any other Monster Catching games that try and get a piece of the Pokémon pie because usually their rosters of creatures are unique enough that they stand on their own two feet. But a number of their designs are like, way too similar to be coincidence. So if they are caught infringing on Pokémon… kinda can’t really sympathize if they get found guilty.

[@darryljack6612]

You are misunderstanding the lawsuit. They arent suing for copyright infringement. Copyright is what the mon designs would be covered under. If pokemon was to sue for copyright then the argument would basically be "Palworld stole from use because Anubis and Lucario look too much alike". But that isnt the case, they are suing for Patent infringement, which means they are basically saying they were robbed on the mechanical level, not the artistic one. In essence Nintendo is saying "they are only allowed to create a game where creatures are captured by throwing a ball" as their argument.

[@wootmasterzorsx]

@@darryljack6612 …I literally never mentioned copyright infringement. I gave my stance on why I dislike Palworld on a creative design level, and stated if they get caught for infringement, I have no sympathy. Never once did I even use the word copyright.

[@darryljack6612]

@@wootmasterzorsx You are misunderstanding what is being said. The designs dont matter that is my point. Designs and artwork are covered under copyright. They didnt steal designs and arent being accused of stealing designs. The lawsuit is about Mechanics, not art.

[@wootmasterzorsx]

@@darryljack6612 And you are misinterpreting my original comment. I am commenting on the art of the game because I am sharing my opinion of a thing. Simple as that. I am not, have never, and will never say that is related to the lawsuit. I only bring it up to establish I do not feel bad for the developers if they are found guilty of the lawsuit they are actually accused of.

[@darryljack6612]

@@wootmasterzorsx And i am saying your opinion is literally wrong, what arent you getting? No artwork was stolen.

[@xanthos8661]

shouldn't matter if the designs are heavily inspired, palworld shouldn't get any flack for it. there just different enough.

[@うしの王]

日本の同志たちよ集まれ。 少なくともFUCKとか任天堂が言われてるから間違いなく向こうは言いすぎている。 自分でも誰でのコメントでもいいからこういう意見を高評価して上にあげていただけると助かる。

[@undergroundhiphopfan6335]

Because the game is plagiarism in its highest form. Many of the designs are near identical. I'm as critical of modern pokemon as the next guy but it doesn't mean I support ripping them off.

[@GeraltofRivia22]

And yet Nintendo isn't suing over copyright infringement

[@axelthehedgehogking]

Palworld will probably win and pay nintendo out

[@Crafty_boy70]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Palworld literally steal models from Pokémon for some of their designs?

[@BoTalksGames]

Yes, Primarina in particular I know for sure

[@Crafty_boy70]

@@BoTalksGames Cinderace too, huh?

[@PixelPikmin]

@@Crafty_boy70 Ones I would definitely say they copied almost verbatim are Coballion, lycanroc, luxray, lucario, serperior/primirina in a fusion, Goodra and Meganium in a fusion, and Suicune, the pegasus pals are literally Suicune but with wings and slightly different colors

[@Toumoromoro]

No, there's no evidence about this, I like pokemon, but you shouldn't belive fans that make stuff up, you really think Pokemon would let that pass?. This case is about patents btw, not about copyright, which is why this case it is so interesting. What patents is palworld infringing? It's can't be the monster catching mechanic as that has been done to death.

[@fyrflyr2378]

The lawsuit isn't about the designs.

[@SilentKiller01]

Perfect time for a steam sale 🎉

[@56ty_]

Remember palworld? Yeah… lmao

[@Lannistir]

its not designs. and they are not alike enough to sue. you showing something like pengullet and foxsparks is a stretch. also you are giving too much credit to nintendo and havent done your research. nintendo do sue tons of things for different things and lose all the time.

[@friendlyotaku9525]

I've seen people defending Palworld and making arguments against Nintendo but Nintendo is in the right in this case, interesting that it's patent infringement and not copyright, I'm curious what exactly they've found in their investigation but clearly it's not good for Palworld or it's developers. Nintendo and Pokemon wouldn't sue for no reason.

[@M64bros]

Exactly!

[@therealjaystone2344]

Just say Nintendo has money

[@BoTalksGames]

Nintendo is in the right here for sure.

[@Toumoromoro]

Patent trolling is very common for a lot of really big bussines.

[@johndawn6951]

​@@BoTalksGamesHi! My partner is a lawyer that specializes in copyright. These designs are able to pass what we call the squint test and Nintendo is intentionally keeping their reasons vague because of what they are actually trying to accomplish.What this is called is "Vexatious litigation." Nintendo's attempting to keep the other company into litigation heck until they go bankrupt. As far as what he has seen of the case there is no copyright infringement and no word of patent violation. Hopefully that clears some things up. 😊

[@RieZenGaming]

Lol look into how Pokémon stole the models from dragon quest , they started this long before it became a thing. The new Pokémon games are trash then a company copies and makes an adult Pokémon game. Something people have been asking for and Nintendo looks for a reason to sue - Pal world is getting sued for being so successful don't kid yourself. That is the reason these other Pokémon clones have not been.

[@DDKoD]

1. Retribution is def desereved for the blatanted copies. Plus a game using AI and selliing millions still isn’t a good look for th industry 2. Not ONLY is Switch 2 getting revealed soon, prolly tomorrow, but scenes of 3D Mario, MK, MP4, Z-A, AND XC4. They doing everything to drown this out lmao

[@SolitaryLark]

None of that was ever proven

[@antusFireNova]

Palword using AI was never proven

[@Theshadowofskull777]

@DDKoD Those were false rumors. You're using False rumors to defend a statement.

[@keeysOST]

Nintendo Switch 2 be looking different

[@danirc1817]

0:34 i really cant with this shit anymore man, out of all of them anubis and pengullet? A BLUE PENGUIN AND A EGYPTIAN GOD like ANUBIS IS NOT LUCARIO, BOTH ARE BASED ON THE SAME SHIT MAN