Nissan Leaf Battery Degradation

Our 62 kWh Nissan Leaf is 3 years old, but how far has the battery degraded?
#nissanleaf #electriccars #EV
This EV is 3 years old and has travelled over 50,000 km's, but how has the battery held up?
We utilised "Leaf Spy Pro" on the iPhone (also available on android), to checkout the battery.
Is it still healthy? A lot of people believe EV batteries "Die" after 2 or 3 years.
Let's find out ????
🎥 Originally filmed back in Autumn 2022
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[@boyasaka]

Glad you had the sense of buying a 1 year old car compared to brand new Can’t understand anyone who buys a brand new car

[@effie5125]

I have a 2019 40kw with 60,000 miles. Full 12 bars still, driven in Bay Area, CA. Zero issues, summers are 75-95F and Winter as low as 50F on average. I have dc charged over 30 times, I usually charge to 100% every night on level 2. I have drained the battery down to 5% maybe two or three times. No issues.

[@ev4me2]

Hi Effie great to get some real world experiences from the USA.

[@mspalmboy]

A great review of your battery. Thank you.

[@ev4me2]

Thanks for watching Phil.

[@ElectricCarAustralia]

Great to see the Leaf still doing those pollution free miles with very little battery degradation. 🔋👍☀️🌏

[@ev4me2]

Yes 92% is not too bad after 3 years

[@ElectricCarAustralia]

@@ev4me2 our MG ZS EV with 17k klms after 18 months with approx 25 DC fast charge cycles is at 97.2% SOH

[@hondamanvtec2894]

Thinking about buying one soon But polution free , lol Its far from that

[@ElectricCarAustralia]

@@hondamanvtec2894 Agree! But no tail pipe emissions and over the vehicles life manufacture to grave will be much less than our past ICE vehicles. Good on you for thinking electric. Cheers

[@FranzJStrauss]

@@ElectricCarAustraliaand all around the world the grid geta more and more low emissio sources like wind and solar

[@williamhurst7766]

I have a 2019 Leaf SL + with 28,000 miles on it. As of this date it shows no battery degradation. I normally follow the 20-80% guideline for charging, and charge with a Level 2 240 Volt home supply. I rarely charge with a DC charger and it I do, I only charge enough to get back to L2 home charger. I live about 100 miles SW of Atlanta, Georgia, USA and climate here is moderate/perfect for EV charging.

[@ev4me2]

Thx for sharing your charging experiences William. Also it is safe to charge ZE1 leaf to 100%, thats what the BMS is for. :)

[@adrianb1655]

How does your vehicle hold up in those hot hot summer days? I’m down in Florida and really want to consider this car as my next vehicle. I drive around 65 miles to and from work a day. Everyone has been talking about the cooling issues with the battery pack. Have you had an issues?

[@taziologlisi6751]

Yeah, Columbus GA is nice this time of year, got a couple friends who live there

[@yo2trader539]

@@adrianb1655 What kills Leaf battery life is the extreme heat from DC fast-charging. For users who slowly AC charge at home, their cars will have a long battery life.

[@thomwolf123]

Very informative, thanks

[@ev4me2]

Thanks for watching Thom !

[@filipealexandresousa2087]

The thing about active cooling is that we have no real proof, or a study done under controlled conditions involving leafs with active cooling and with no active cooling, or any study for other ev's that are supporting that active cooling in their batteries,which could solve the issue once and for all. Does active cooling protect more the batteries or not? I think that there are other explanations as to the causes of degradation. And, one more thing, out of all ev's, the leaf is the more transparent. The competition does not give us battery capacity gauges or temperature gauges for that matter. So, in my opinion as a layman, is that high temperature is what ruins a battery. And nothing can counteract high temperatures when a battery is subjected to an intense amount of heating.

[@DjT6nuRoostalu]

Thanks for info!

[@ev4me2]

No problem!

[@cdbuiles]

battery is holding up pretty good. considering battery chemistry of 1st gen. It would be even more useful for others Leaf owners such as myself to know a bit for of the environment this car is normally running. what’s the max, min, and avg temperature you have it exposed to ? Do you charge all the way to 100% or do you keep it in the healthy zone (20 to 80%). thanks for sharing

[@ev4me2]

We operate in a cool climate. Lowest is -8°C Highest is 40°C We charge up at around 10%, all the way up to 100%

[@paultan4555]

Thanks for the video. I have a ze1 40kw. Soh 89% at 32k km. That's with me really babying the battery, soc usually between 30-70%. Rarely charged to 100% or below 10%. DC charged only 6 times. I think the chemistry is the main issue not necessarily the thermal management. I live in nz, winter about 10degrees summer under 30.

[@ev4me2]

I assume that your ZE1 is JDM. SOH at 32k is still good. It is OK to charge to 100%, BMS's are a lot more advanced these days. Yes, you are right, do not drop too far below 10%. In Australia and other parts of the world, thermal management is the top cause of Battery Degradation in the passively cooled Nissan LEAF'S. Actively cooled drive batteries, far out perform passively cooled battery's in degradation over time. Compare a Tesla 8 years old, to a nissan leaf 8 years old.

[@paultan4555]

Mine is JDM some dealer brought over to his lot. Can I enquire how you brought yours in? Did you import yourself from Japan or through a dealer? Thanks

[@shanemaher5150]

@@paultan4555 We imported ourselves, did not bother going through a dealer. Check our earlier video's on the channel

[@DjT6nuRoostalu]

Hey, do your car shows full battery capacity in dashboard with SOH 89%?

[@stephenward5250]

I've been watching technical videos on the Plug Life TV eg and he advocates for taking the battery to 100% routinely. Not sure whether to do this for my older 2016 AZE0

[@ev4me2]

If you have the latest firmware update, for your battery in your AZEO, it should be OK.

[@tzeimet]

Degradation is definitely better than the original leaf, but definitely not all that great by today's standards even for small cars. For example my Peugeot e-208 50kWh (46kWh usable) * 92,000km * 93.5% State of Health (6.5% degradation) * DC Fast Charged circa. 100 times

[@ev4me2]

The peugeot e-208 has a heatpump to cool the battery, the Long Range LEAF doesn't. Considering the LEAF is only a couple of percent behind, thats not too bad. We have just filmed the 5yr update and we are still above 90%, that is really good for a EV with just over 100,000km. So it will be between 12-15 yrs old when it hits 80% (remembering degradation is not linear), that is bloody good in my books.

[@tzeimet]

@@ev4me2That’s interesting, I thought the 2nd Gen Leaf had liquid cooling, or does it just have no way to interface with the HVAC circuit? The Stellantis E-CMP cars do have phenomenal cooling, the car didn’t even throttle after 8 successive DC charging stops and still hit its max 100kW charging speed.

[@DonBarthel]

My 2020 LEAF Plus has the same amount of degradation (~92 1/2%) but it's only two years old and has been driven about 1/3 the distance. I'm really hoping the degradation starts to slow.

[@ev4me2]

Just try and keep the battery cool, and limit the quick charges.

[@robertmarsh3588]

Interesting, thanks. One question: why assume thst the person buying the car next needs less range? This seems to be an urban myth perpetuated by auto companies. Outside of required long distance usage as part of a job (hence being company car) just because someone doesn't have the money to buy a newer car it doesn't follow that they travel less miles per day.

[@jonathontroy1447]

You said that the battery would never need to be replaced. I am interested in getting a second hand EV but I am limited by finance. I was wondering if a early Nissan Leaf or a Mitsubishi Imiev would have a better range if the battery was replaced? Could that work if I wanted greater range on a second hand EV?

[@ev4me2]

Great question Troy. If you were looking at a Mitsubishi Imiev or earlier Leaf, you are stuck with the older battery chemistry. Also replacing battery is expensive on older EV's EVdirect are launching the BYD Dolphin at the end of the year. This will be the cheapest EV in Australia ! It will be in the low $30,000 price range, a better and more reliable battery. It will have a better range I would save up a bit more more money until the end of the year. Once the cheap Chinese EV's come into the market, the second hand/imported Nissan LEAF's will be poor value for money. Cheers EV4ME

[@jonathontroy1447]

Thanks for the advice. I had seen a episode of Fully Charged where an early Nissan Leaf got a new long range battery. I wasn't sure if it could be done here. Looks like I will have to investigate the possibility of converting a Prius to a Plugin Hybrid.

[@raycarlson1342]

Thank you for the video. However you showed an example of a battery with an out of balance of 312mV; the comment you made about this is drowned out by the sound. I would be interested what you said as I have a cell in a similar condition (weak cell) on my Leaf. Please what did you say? My battery state of health is 93%! the car is a 2017 30 kWh Tekna and 27,000km.

[@ev4me2]

Unfortunately that episode was accidentally filmed with split audio. Your battery sounds OK. If battery balance is below 30mV thats good, if it's in the hundreds thats bad. Checkout other EV battery video, check in the video description.

[@aneeshzutshi3419]

Missing your videos. How is the battery degredation of the 2 leafs, can you share leafspy reports?

[@ev4me2]

Just released a new Battery Video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h2Wboqpjr8t8b9U

[@aneeshzutshi3419]

​@ev4me2 Thank you so much. It was really nice to see you both again. Your battery is doing really well. The initial 8 percent drop in my case happened right in the first 2 years and then it gets steady. Since i only use the car to charge at home i don't think there is any need for liquid cooling in my use case

[@xboxice2005]

i would be happy if my 2012 leaf had 200 km rage :(

[@ev4me2]

Ten years ago the 2012 LEAF had a good range. Pretty good for the times. The range might be greatly reduced these days, but it is still a good run around !

[@TheComputerGuyDR]

Audio seems off on this version. Checked other youtube videos and they seem ok. Music really loud and his voice is extremely low. Just a heads up :)

[@ev4me2]

Hi the computer guy. Thanks for Audio advice. Just checked Audio on iPhone and iPad, seem to be OK. But Kaz has just informed me, when listening through headphones, talking was on the right side and music was a bit louder on the left. The rode wireless 2 microphone probably had a setting wrong. P.S. Rode wireless 2 Mics RXER was in "split mode" rather than "merged mode". We also have just switched to a new editing computer, and we forgot to turn on the audio monitoring bars in Final Cut Pro, so did not spot the problem. Thanks again "the computer guy" Bugger !

[@bolingerneurenburgh6177]

I had nothing but trouble with a Nissan warranty claim and I will never own or recommend another one. I have also heard about many problems with the Leaf.

[@ev4me2]

Yes the LEAF does have its problems like any other car (Mainly the non liquid cooled battery). But there are nearly 1 million LEAF's rolling around out there. The best place to verify any problems about the Nissan is LEAF is to "ask the owners". There are lots of "Leaf owner" forums on facebook, people are more than happy to answer anything you have "heard a problem" about. Then you get all the facts. And there are other EV's out there like Tesla's, IONICS's, Kona electrics, etc

[@bolingerneurenburgh6177]

@@ev4me2 I agree but I had a warranty claim at Nissan and they refused to deal with it correctly over a few weeks. I will never trust them again. The Leaf is $50k approx for a car that has the same functionality as a Corrolla for double the cost. Not sure it stacks up in my opinion.

[@pianoplayer2516]

If I bought an EV I would definitely need one with liquid cooling. I live in a very hot climate and drive a lot. I would need to fast charge often. The Nissan Leaf wouldn't work for me. Also hardly any Chademo stations here. The Nissan Ariya would be a great option though. Has liquid cooling and CCS.

[@Tron-Jockey]

If you've stated your application accurately then you're absolutely correct. For the Leaf extended periods of driving at elevated speeds (>80mph), during very hot ambient temperatures (>100F), can drive core temperatures up to the Red Zone. Then subsequently stopping at a public fast charger (HVDC charger), will easily put you well into the red zone. But most owners will never abuse their vehicles that way. Owners that charge at home, live in more temperate climates and drive their vehicles more normally will never need liquid cooling and their battery packs will not suffer premature degradation. For these owners the cost, extra weight and complexity of liquid cooling is simply unnecessary.

[@alexa795]

What??? We have 3 Nissan Leaf on the job. After only 3 years, battery degradation it’s more than 30%. Maybe because we uses fast chargers, but this it’s not car in which I will invest any money. We ordered now couple cars from BYD manufacturer, we hope that they gonna be better.

[@ev4me2]

Fast charge = heat Heat = greater battery degradation Try and slow charge at 7kW if possible

[@alexa795]

@@ev4me2 Next month we gonna sell that cars and continue with BYD

[@Mosestylez]

​​@@ev4me2is this for all cars or just Nissan Leaf since it doesn't have any active cooling at all?🤔

[@OG-dp1kx]

That rate of degradation is really poor sorry to say. These are the sort of issues that are still putting me off going g fill eV. I'd rather go for plug in hybrid for now until this degradation issue improves on more affordable evs

[@ev4me2]

4 years to roughly 90% is not too bad. PHEV as you said, is also an option to transition to BEV.

[@boyasaka]

My friend had a 10 year old Nissan leaf and that has done 90,000 miles And battery is on 80 percent

[@sajiantony7473]

PHEV battery also degrades quickly as it is of much smaller size. The rate of degradation of a regularly recharged battery is kind of inversely proportional to the size of the battery.

[@jtr159]

My 40 kWh just passed 55 000 km, and I'm at 93.08% state of health. Cool climates really help the battery.

[@ev4me2]

Thats really good. Less QC's (Quick charges) really help as well.

[@jtr159]

@@ev4me2 Oh yes - very true, especially back-to-back QCs with a hot battery spell trouble. Mine's got 131 QC's and 1134 L1/L2s so far. So far I see no reason to be alarmed about the battery health like many EV luddites keep screaming. If the health decline is anywhere near linear, at this rate the battery will be at 70% health at 200k km's, which isn't terrible in my opinion. Car will still be perfectly usable as a commuter. And if I have to replace the battery at 300k km's it'll still be the price of a comparable used car or less. Only worry is the chademo stations disappearing, which I hope won't happen for a decade.

[@matthewjenkins1161]

Interesting that you expect degradation to virtually stop at 80%, unlike all the Nissan Leaves that went before it.

[@ev4me2]

Past 80% it goes at a very slow rate. Also this is a better battery than the ZE0.

[@willburk]

Fix audio please.

[@ev4me2]

When I get time.

[@skepticalmechanic]

Audio SUCKS!

[@ev4me2]

Hi Brian, pls check the video description. Already covered this. Myself and Kaz are sometimes not perfect. But thats OK with us. Cheers EV4ME