No Ape/Human Common Ancestor | Helen-NC | Atheist Experience 25.18

[@gabrieljordan8015]

Atheism is when you personally read the Bible from cover to cover. Religion is the result when someone else reads it for you.

[@BurntRaisinToast]

I wish I could repost this one.

[@ren17x50]

Never heard it this way but pretty accurate

[@frankmendez9178]

yes

[@markwellington6250]

@gabriel If you're going to quote someone else, you should cite them.

[@markian788]

THANK YOU SIR

[@Cellidor]

"How do you know that Islam is wrong and Christianity is right? "Because it's not Christianity" There you have it, the extent of the reasoning ability present as a result of strictly religious teachings.

[@bigmike4758]

Helen is the reason why NASA doesn't debate flat-earthers.

[@renzoarmijo9774]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@davec-1378]

Can you believe it’s 2021 and millions still think like this? Why cant we teach critical thinking in schools?

[@TheTruthKiwi]

Ikr. I would LOVE to forward this to religious friends and relatives but I'm too damn nice.

[@T_WILL77]

2.4 Billion Christians roughly

[@andrewrobert975]

Been asking this for years

[@ari1234a]

Evolution is dangerous idea to some faiths. If evolution is true then there is no need for "Original Sin" If there is no need for "OS" then all the Pastors, Priests and Holy Men lose the moolah train.. Ooo the sweet monies. They are in constant need of money also the grip on people lives that they have, they would lose that too. So sure they are preaching that Evolution is just a theory.

[@johndank2209]

if critical thinking was taught in schools it would be harder for the government to scam you. maybe "government" isnt the right word, the ELITES is what i mean.

[@frndofbear]

We are so fucked. I know we are making tiny bits of progress, but oh my GOD it makes my head hurt that there are people like Helen who cancel my vote.

[@bmurray942]

I'll watch these and a little part of me hopes these are trolls or paid actors but the truth is I don't have to walk 10 feet from my door to talk to these people face to face.

[@qwadratix]

I don't think we're making progress. I see nothing to suggest that humans are getting any smarter, quite the opposite in fact. In the past, evolutionary pressure has favoured intelligence but here and now, I honestly believe that process has ended. This may well be the zenith of human enlightenment. I'm just grateful that there a few people about who can think reasonably straight and a few of them are in social positions where they can have an impact. Fact is that on the whole, we're still just apes.

[@bct8881]

@@qwadratix A species that can shape it's world to suit it's needs no longer requires adaption. Unless of course you're a species with bad habits like overexploitation of resources and overpopulation.

[@bmurray942]

@@qwadratix The only reason most of us are here is to be mindless consumers. Idiocracy the documentary.

[@fdjt4132]

And there are people like Helen who are in positions to decide public policy. 🤦

[@tonymurphy2624]

"Islam doesn't teach self-sacrifice..." Errrm, I think somebody needs to think very carefully about that.

[@Vhlathanosh]

LOL there's literally a chant they do before they suicide themselves.

[@ahetzel9054]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@therealMrA]

I hollered when she fucking said that

[@graceskerp]

Too much to ask, but Helen might want to look up the Five Pillars of Islam: Declaration of Faith, Prayer, Almsgiving, Fasting and Pilgrimage. Three of them involve a sacrifice of at least time, resources, possibly health.

[@LJW55]

Yep, they're blowing themselves up all over the fucking place...

[@gregorywalker4997]

helen knows nothing and is damn proud of it.

[@Anonymous-md2qp]

😂😂😂

[@stevefmelb]

Helen is simply cannon fodder, should not be allowed to vote.

[@deanlowdon8381]

When you ask someone if slavery is immoral, and they don’t instantly say yes, that person is a lost cause...

[@mider-spanman5577]

Indeed. Waste of oxygen.

[@denverarnold6210]

I'd argue they're not a lost cause unless they flat out say yes. The pause isn't a good thing, but the fact they have to think about it, even if a bullshit attempt to dance around the question, and don't say yesmeans they don't accept it. Imo, at least.

[@nosuchthing8]

Good point.

[@deanlowdon8381]

@@denverarnold6210 The problem is it demonstrates they have no critical thinking skills. They’ll essentially try to justify anything their religion teachers, no matter how illogical...

[@denverarnold6210]

@@deanlowdon8381 Fair point.

[@lulolie]

"Is Harry Potter true?" "Does it purport to be true?" Damn, all those those "true story" horror movies directors must *love* her

[@LoLbertarian110]

And who tf says pUrPoRt? 😂😂

[@kriss3d]

@@LoLbertarian110 Normal people.

[@TREVORALLEN-tl4yt]

@@LoLbertarian110People who have transcended the boundaries of simple lexicon and childish images to a more mature narrative.

[@bowlofdiogenes6139]

Helen has access to the majority of humanity's collective knowledge (libraries, internet) and still yearns for the dark ages.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

What's more, she wants us to join her there. In fact, her cult insists we join it.

[@bowlofdiogenes6139]

@@RideAcrossTheRiver well said, honestly these people freak me out way more than they make me feel pity for them or just laugh, almost like with every year that passes and humanity advances I feel we need to start taking the way they negatively impact our lives more seriously.

[@margaretbarrett6087]

The reason she denies evolution is because it hasn’t happened to her yet !

[@malcolmhodnett8874]

Yearning is exactly what this is

[@chrispbacon3042]

@@margaretbarrett6087 Margaret you are very naughty girl! But you are bang on correct.

[@sango3128]

"Jesus is knocking on the door of your heart every day" "Cool so why is he sending your annoying ass too?"

[@Paolo8772]

She hung up before she could get an answer.

[@denverarnold6210]

Why is he knocking when the door is open in invitation, and I still get bubkis.

[@thetruthaboutscienceandgod6921]

@Jit 8 Jesus Christ / The God of the Bible said He stands at the door of your heart and knocks. God knows who you are; He wants you to know Him! But, Jesus isn't going to break down your door. He's given you free will. It's your decision whether to invite Him in. I pray that you will do that. Take care.

[@thetruthaboutscienceandgod6921]

@@denverarnold6210 Jesus Christ / The God of the Bible said He stands at the door of your heart and knocks. God knows who you are; He wants you to know Him! But, Jesus isn't going to break down your door. He's given you free will. It's your decision whether to invite Him in. I pray that you will do that. Take care

[@denverarnold6210]

@@thetruthaboutscienceandgod6921 Stop proselytizing and actually read what I said. If you can't listen, why the hell should I take what you say seriously?

[@beeinthehive]

"How do you know the bible is true?" "Because it says it is." Religious logic.

[@duncanbryson1167]

Well the Qur'an says it's the word of "God" as well: This is the Book in which there is no doubt, a guide for the righteous. So why isn't she a Muslim? All ancient books of mythology.

[@beeinthehive]

@@duncanbryson1167 Yeah, exactly. Deep down inside even they must know it's based on personal geography. What a coincidence so many of one type of religion come from and/or live in particular areas. I mean, come on. How could they not know?

[@alifaize8750]

That is circular reasoning and begging the question in Logical fallacy. So these people gotta read the logical reasoning book before they say anything at all.

[@dennisbecraft1303]

@@beeinthehive They think the best country has the best religion. Nationalism & theism in mutual support.

[@beeinthehive]

@@alifaize8750 True.

[@benwhitnell]

For what it’s worth, the key to Christianity isn’t self sacrifice. It’s having someone else sacrifice for you.

[@uknowme1811]

I was thinking the same thing..And she tried to claim muslims don't which was the kicker.

[@VogtTD]

Or self delusion

[@xarisstylianou6226]

Helen you have given me a headace!!!!!

[@Captain-Cosmo]

"None of them are true except Christianity." That's a pretty thick bubble.

[@Dr.TJ1]

"It’s having someone else sacrifice for you." Which no one can actually do. You can forgive a debt or forgive a transgression, but you can't take away someone else's wrongdoing by sacrificing yourself. Sacrificing yourself does nothing to remove the original wrongdoing, it only makes you look foolish for having sacrificed yourself. Kind of puts the entire Christian religion into a new perspective, doesn't it?

[@michaelhezel1941]

I'm glad to lve in germany. We don't discuss evangelists, we laugh at them.

[@chudleyflusher748]

I’ve never believed in American exceptionalism, but I’ve also never been ashamed to be an American-until 2016. The current proud strain of ignorance that has emerged is absolutely embarrassing.

[@davidlanger3295]

Jeez you’re lucky

[@BOYVIRGO666]

Other than martin luther you mean?

[@markspahr242]

We do in the states, too. Yes, these are literally crazy times.

[@maikt904]

depends on the region you are living in i guess, sure we don't have a biblebelt area (yet) and we haven't copied the exact models of televangelisms but there is still a huge amount of religeous ppl here aswell on both sides of the pond

[@willbanks3793]

The pauses Helen had were very telling. She was almost thinking, and then the indoctrination kicked in, and then came the excuses.

[@krisaaron5771]

Helen sounds exactly like my mother, an otherwise intelligent woman who blinded herself when it came to her "faith" and her desperate need to believe in it. Mom never read scientific articles... or ANY materials that might challenge her or force her to think beyond self-imposed boundaries. She avoided adult discussions and was literally reduced to tears of frustration when people around her questioned religion. She died 15 years ago, firmly convinced to the last breath that her ancestors "in heaven" were waiting to greet her with open arms. I'm sorry to learn there are still people like Mom, who keep their minds on a tight leash. Poor Helen -- life isn't kind to the willfully ignorant.

[@CommonSenseGUY79]

@Kris Aaron , Did you just call Helen INTELLIGENT? Prove it...

[@krisaaron5771]

@@CommonSenseGUY79 My MOTHER was the intelligent one, just gullible as hell when it came to something she wanted to believe.

[@seadog2969]

My mom was the same way. She thought Covid was a hoax and that the blood of Christ would keep her alive. But in our last phone call, when she was suffocating to death from Covid, she wanted me to know her death wasn’t a suicide. She died on Christmas Eve. I felt relief bc she was no longer suffering and dying on Christmas Eve gave her some comfort. But I’ll always remember her death as totally preventable and rooted in fear and ignorance.

[@tshepokgwele1789]

My mom is exactly the same as your mom, it pains me to tears, it has so negatively affected my family that we are completely dysfunctional, reading your comment just made me feel so frustrated at my own situation with my mom, because I know there's no hope for her, I know she's way beyond reasoning with, there's nothing I can do, it not fun to be an atheist because I am basically on the outside, looking into the transparent house of religion and seeing everybody ignoring the realities around them. I know about a family who demanded that nurses and doctors dare not give their father a blood transfusion, their father died. I know of a lady who refused to take medication because her church said theirs no greater healing than gods healing, she died. How many more people are going to needlessly die like this before Christians find a way out of that transparent house of indoctrination they call their church?. This is so frustrating and sad.

[@krisaaron5771]

@@tshepokgwele1789 The "devout" have found their safe space and nothing anyone else can do or say will get them out of it! The world is big and scary. It takes real courage to think and analyze reality, and learning new things is exhausting. Their lives are far easier with a make-believe deity to guide them and hold their hand(s) -- especially a deity that has all the answers. To them, death only means seeing their beloved deity IN PERSON!! Nobody can get them out of their fantasy except themselves. They get furious when argued with because they can't logically defend their beliefs and on some level realize the concept of "god" is irrational. They feel threatened by anyone who doesn't think the same way they do -- and fear is a big part of being religious. It's sad when someone we love is sucked into this idiocy, but we can't help them escape -- they have to do it themselves.

[@malemd]

She's reading her questions from a list.. one by one. But when asked questions she has no answers...

[@ePICS8]

That makes sense haha

[@bogdanshevyakov1969]

Also, the only difference between her and the most sophisticated theologian in the world - he has the list of answers to every question. Each one of those answers has been repeatedly proven wrong, but who cares, I mean come on, Jesus is knocking on everyone's door, that's what matters here, not who's right or wrong!

[@davewilliams5102]

Helen is another Honor Graduate from Hovind's School of Science!

[@Herandezbrothers]

“She’s probably high-fiving Jesus right now.” Lmao gold

[@JamesFarrOfficial]

One of the best nutshell summaries of circular religious stupidity I've ever heard. Thanks, Helen!

[@jerryp6001]

The sooner you recognize you are talking to someone like this, the sooner you can throw you hands in the air and walk away. Some people are some dumb theya re not even capable of realizing how dumb they are. It is pointless to even attempt to try and help them figure that out. Not sure at what age that is salvageable. Teens, yes. 20's, yes. Once someone gets into their 30's...the odds of getting someone to change or see the light is extremely tiny. Better to move on than attempt to save that one lost sheep.

[@rueh69]

@@jerryp6001 p

[@rueh69]

L lol look 😆😂

[@quantumconciousscorner2911]

@@jerryp6001 I disagree that she/they are Dumb she might be rather intelligent in other areas. Her belief does not make her dumb, it makes her indoctrinated and unable to recognize her own failings.

[@chermoore7144]

@@quantumconciousscorner2911 I'm not so sure. I think ones degree of susceptibility to indoctrination must certainly be part of the IQ formula. Even if it isn't, it takes a degree of intelligence for a person to realize they have been fooled and to pull the blinders from their eyes. Either way, on the scale of intelligence, I'd say Helen is unremarkable at best.

[@sledzeppelin]

Imagine watching Expelled and then thinking you have the tools to defeat skilled atheist debaters.

[@AvNotasian]

I kinda want to watch that train wreck of a movie now, I just worry that watching it could add a false fact to my memory which pollutes my ability to understand the world.

[@sledzeppelin]

@@AvNotasian I've tried. I made it about 20 minutes in and couldn't take any more. It's just an avalanche of fallacies and bad-faith.

[@Cellidor]

@@AvNotasian I'd suggest checking out 'The Bible Reloaded's video where they go through and watch it. Cringe movies are best seen with additional commentary I find!

[@AvNotasian]

@@Cellidor Yeah you are right, I couldn't get 10mins in before going "well thats bs" and turning it off. ill watch the bible reloaded content to help me get through it, ty :)

[@nathanjora7627]

It’s kinda what it’s there to be though, I’d be surprised if even theists could see it’s bullshit without having watched the debunking of it or knowing the necessary facts to debunk it.

[@rtart.e5458]

The sad part about this is the fact that when she hopped off this phone call, after simply waiting to get a turn to speak rather than listening and engaging in conversation, You know she told everyone that they were just in denial and that they didn't have a single answer for her and couldn't refuse a single one of her points, when in reality she couldn't answer a question and would rather pivot to an analogous question. Sad

[@themplar]

Holy crap, Helen is entirely morally bankrupt. I feel sad for her since this clearly is an indoctrinated and completely sheltered from any reason, or reality by the horrible persons around her.

[@ericwilliams1659]

But a documentary told her

[@octapc]

This is why religious people shouldn't be allowed to be politicians.

[@adamgrimsley2900]

No she isn't totally morally bankrupt. You think she isn't capable of respect, love and compassion?

[@Wisdom24-7]

This is a bunch of BULLSHIT no humans evolved from no Ape if that is true why and the hell did the ape stop evolving into humans how did the first apple orange pears get to earth the fruit did not pop out the sky God created the seeds to grow the fruit u people are idiots God please help these idiots🙏🙏

[@ericwilliams1659]

@@Wisdom24-7 nice copy paste spam

[@puckerings]

"The documentary Expelled...." You know right from the start that this is going to be a disaster. Expelled is not a documentary, it's propaganda.

[@nightthornkvala94132]

When she mentioned that "documentary" I started giggling and couldn't stop.

[@astrosci8864]

Yeah. I lost my respect (small as it was) for Ben Stein after that. Absolute garbage. At least he introduced us to Jimmy Kimmel...

[@astrosci8864]

@Resurrected Again Agreed. It was a novelty for its time but the best thing from it was Jimmy Kimmel.

[@astrosci8864]

@Resurrected Again I expected nothing more from him... LOL.

[@astrosci8864]

@Resurrected Again Yeah. I did notice that. But, what did you expect from a former Nixon speechwriter?

[@stevea.b.9282]

it's calls like this that remind me how important your show is.. people like her are dangerous, they never EVER stop and ask themselves any questions. Their confidence is terrifying.

[@jens2old2care]

Agreed. People with this type of blind faith are voting and infiltrating government- and causing tangible harm to innocent people.

[@johnmcclure40]

Well, Helen, congratulations. Most people don't have the strength to move goalposts as frequently and as far as you just did.

[@johniec5282]

Helen must be a good goalkeeper with all her goalpost moving prowess. The US soccer team needs a new goalkeeper after this Olympics failure.

[@kukuthefarmer2215]

I liked your comment when it was at 69. I am so sorry. I just had to. Ok. I am unliking it.

[@alabastergreen7444]

It started as a 10 yard field goal and ended as a 90 yard field goal

[@chrispbacon3042]

Credit where credit is due, some of those Christians are master goal post movers. Cherry-picking too.

[@stephenland9361]

I'm sure that this caller went away thinking, "I sure showed these guys that my religion is true!"

[@kenbee1957]

😆😆😆😆😆

[@NeutralMjolkHotel]

“God tested me today :)”

[@kenbee1957]

@@NeutralMjolkHotel When are you getting back the results?

[@NeutralMjolkHotel]

KEN BEE Turns out god is my father!

[@kenbee1957]

@@NeutralMjolkHotel Ah crap, dude He has this thing for sacrificing sons....

[@MarxistKnight]

Helen: Thinks that scientists are putting whatever interpretation they want on fossil evidence. Also Helen: Thinks that fossils in Mesopotamia proves the Garden of Eden.

[@supertouring22]

Typical religious ego shown here. Came to tell then they were wrong but at every difficult question she was asked there was a momentary silence while she realised that she could not answer the question without the tower of cards collapsing, so just changed the subject. Credit to matt for following it through.

[@Conan_the_rastafarian]

Hello, I would like to comment on the typical religious ego part of your reply. In the Bible, there are numerous verses on being humble and serving others. Although Christians can behave poorly, its not taught as typical behavior. Philippians 2:3 3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves

[@MG-ot2yr]

@@Conan_the_rastafarian I don't know a single Christian that follows the Bible, if they did then they'd have sold off all their possessions, given their money to the poor, many would be missing their right hand and/or an eye, there would be constant battles in the courts with Christians wanting to double their fines, they'd hate their families to follow Jesus, and so on.....

[@Conan_the_rastafarian]

@@MG-ot2yr Yeah, I know. I mess up everyday. It sucks when Christians and non-Christians look the same.

[@budd2nd]

@@Conan_the_rastafarian Yes Jess I want my beliefs to be proved beyond reasonable doubt and independently corroborated. I want them to consult coincide/conform with demonstrable reality and be the most successful explanatory model. Sadly Christianity like all religions fails on each of these points. Which is why I don’t bother with any of them. Until there is actual independently corroborated evidence for any of their BS.

[@Conan_the_rastafarian]

@@budd2nd I'm glad you are living a successful life, I'm trying to do the same. Science is amoral. Not all of your personal moral beliefs are universal. What's your favorite movie by the way?

[@tonydarcy1606]

No wonder Matt gets exasperated at times ! Every time she got caught out on something, she changed the subject ! "What about Lucy? " Well what about Lucy, Helen ?

[@twig8523]

What about Lucy? She's a transitional form between ape & man, Helen!

[@Leszek.Rzepecki]

To be fair, there was a kerfuffle about one of the bones attributed to Lucy being in fact, a baboon bone, and it's still undecided (last I looked) whether that is the case, but scientists all agree the rest of her is genuine. It's also doubtful her species was direct ancestral, more likely a distant cousin. Part of the same branch, though.

[@TmRnBn]

@Jordan Powell Evolution is not a ladder: it's a bush. Problem is some folks are shaving their bushes to nothing, so can't grasp the concept.

[@murph8411]

There are a large number of Australopithecus Africanus fossils available now. Granted we don’t find complete skeletons but there are bones from hundreds of individuals so the deformed individual argument doesn’t hold water.

[@TmRnBn]

@@murph8411 Australopithecines are much farther down the Homo path than Pongo, Pan, or Gorilla. I'd say simply that humans are still apes (Hominids). The argument would then go back to common ancestry between apes and monkeys--then prosimians--then tree shrews--etc... It's amazing that we have as complete a picture as we have, not that there are minor little gaps in the known record.

[@Iceman77772]

"She's high fiving Jesus" is brilliant! Dave is awesome. 🤣

[@unavailableusername9694]

My parents did me a great service, they never mentioned God, they never made me go to church, and they always tried to give me the best practical answer for my silly kid questions. We celebrated Christmas but my dad called it a celebration of life. I met a Christian girl later and thought she was nuts. I cant imagine growing up with this indoctrination.

[@ahetzel9054]

I was raised Christian, church sucks...

[@eddhardy1054]

Same here mate. My Mum and Dad let me work out whether religious beliefs are justified or not for myself...and I've been an agnostic atheist since I was about 8 years old 😉😊

[@AgrippaTheMighty]

I grew up Mormon and remained so for 28 years. My parents weren't well educated but were honorable people who loved us kids. However, you were very fortunate not to have been indoctrinated. But I adapted and used the Internet to find the facts: All religions are human fabrications!

[@spackar2720]

I was also raised without religion. I am very grateful.

[@DaveJansenTPV]

Thank god (lol) i grew up in a country where being atheïst in the norm and you don't get bullied or laughed at when you're not religious, excluding some minor area's maybe.

[@Wonderrbread01]

Dave is such a great compliment to Matt. Matt is great at arguing points and using logic in a quick setting. Dave really does a great job in relating with the religious claims and interjecting with straightforward and simple arguments.

[@tok1879]

Really? 🤔 I guess it's just me but this seemed to me like a mismatch.

[@RoamingHeathen]

Yeh I was thinking that Dave was out of his depth and interrupting Matt’s points at the worst times

[@tylerdurden6917]

@@RoamingHeathen same

[@bigwendigo2253]

@@RoamingHeathen to me, it felt like Dave is able to sync with or maybe empathize a bit easier with people who’ve been completely indoctrinated by religion and I think it added a soft touch to Matt’s harsh tone. I thought they were a good match, personally. Shaking someone and saying “wake up dumbass” isn’t always the best way of getting someone to open up and think about things a little more critically. I understand Matt’s attitude, though, dealing with these people every stream would be frustrating on a whole nother level. There’s very few who want to admit they’re wrong, try to change the way they think, or that are open minded.

[@G00berella]

Matt's responses were so on point. Also, loved how we went from evolution to slavery in one quick sweep.

[@kafkadre6440]

"I was watching 'Expelled' and I have no critical thinking skills" ~ Helen from NC

[@Trajan_2.3.5.41]

Another fine example of how embarrassing our education system is in America. This woman is a joke.

[@Rob-fc9wg]

If a man of science went back 2000 years he'd have an overwhelming amount information for the people. If a man of religion went back, he'd have nothing new to tell them.

[@bigred0079]

The scientist would've been burned at a stake for witchcraft and we'd be in the same predicament...........we've also failed education for those 2000 years hence.......

[@Rob-fc9wg]

@@bigred0079 You are probably correct.

[@kingspeechless1607]

I've no doubt he could give them some sophisticated theological reasoning (aka bullsh*t) to make himself a star (or they might stone him).

[@tristanmisja]

​@@bigred0079Maybe not, I don't think modern math and medicine would get you burnt, and chemistry, cosmology & physics could be changed a little to seem like astronomy or alchemy.

[@IRGeamer]

As an atheist for over 4 decades, could someone inform me how many more decades I have to be an atheist before wilfully ignorant, hyperbolic rhetoric like this becomes acceptable and not just a gross, self serving assertion?

[@vatsmith8759]

It's amazing that these people can even learn how to work a telephone.

[@houmm08]

That was embarrassing and somewhat pointless. She didn't listen, absorb, process and react honestly. They never do.

[@jerryp6001]

This call was not for her benefit. It was for ours. To see Matt rage...and to remind us...there are nutjobs out there. Don't forget

[@tomterific390]

She's an example of someone thoroughly unprepared to be part of any kind of intellectual discussion on the subject. In fairness to her, her "dishonesty" is unintentional, and therefore not really dishonest. She's simply clueless, and incapable of responding to anything posed to her in any other way than to sidestep the questions she cannot answer by flitting off to a different subject, like a butterfly going from one flower to the next ("...but what about..."?). Her mind is (likely permanently) fixed to the level of a 7-year old indoctrinated in Sunday School.

[@godlessolddude305]

I feel sorry for folks like Helen...the ignorance literally hurts.

[@robertdullnig3625]

"Fundagelical" is my new favorite word.

[@COMALiteJ]

This is really the first time you’ve heard that? That one’s been around for at least a decade online. See also *Talibangelical* (referring to Dominionists / Christian Nationalists who seek to establish a Christian theocracy in the USA, like the Taliban is to Islam).

[@mattwhite7287]

It sounds tasty for some reason, sweet, soft and moist.

[@roguesheep3083]

Never heard of it, either. But i try to avoid deranged people.

[@El.Duderino369]

I think this call put the last nail in the coffin for me. R.I.P. to my childhood Christianity

[@jesterc.6763]

Rip childhood indoctrination, and hello adulthood enlightenment.

[@Godless_Doc]

Welcome to reality.

[@SnuffitLabs]

Then Thor has to be true, according to Helen, because Thor sacrificed himself to slay the world serpent at ragnarok and restart the world. Clearly a self sacrifice!

[@Preservestlandry]

There are so many savior gods. Why doesn't she believe Mithras? Horus? Lord Rama?

[@robertlongwill8856]

Good good point about Thor I believe in Thor because War exists as does thunder and he is the god of war and the god of thunder so he must be a true God LMAO

[@avellinklater3566]

She is completely terrified of looking inward because that might reveal things that she (and others) have lied to her(self) about for her entire life.

[@jpizzleforizzle]

Exactly! Cognitive dissonance is a mean bitch.

[@78musiksphere]

"terrified" grasps it quite well! it is frightening because coming into new awareness is scary at first!

[@kindlerashod]

I recently wrote an article on Facebook explaining my reasons for why Satan is not an actual person, that Satan is a symbol of one's own ego. Christians didn't like that. They defended Satan's existence so they can point fingers away from themselves.

[@atheistechoes9594]

My family told me flat out that im not allowed to talk about atheism with them so much for freedom of speech

[@atheistechoes9594]

@@kindlerashod ironic isn't it how everything really relys on satan being real

[@uknowme1811]

I was waiting for Paulogia's " For my Bible tells me so " Jingle.

[@benkrapf]

omg she's a poster child

[@dmc3079]

hahaha

[@FakingANerve]

Haha! I absolutely thought of it multiple times too. 😂👍

[@budd2nd]

There have been over 300 specimens of Australopithecus (Lucy’s species) found now. They were an entire population of early hominids. They weren’t ALL deformed.

[@chrispbacon3042]

No you are correct , just ones named Helen were deformed.

[@MrKit9]

Helen's husband is hanging from the oak tree in their backyard. He was happy to go.

[@ingebygstad9667]

Oh you did _not_ write that...! Oh you did... Well if I heard this shit was coming out my coming wife's mouth, I'd probably be dangling from some tree too.

[@Vhlathanosh]

LOL 😂😂

[@cosmai23]

You went there. Nice. It needed to be done.

[@xXscissors_61Xx]

ROFL

[@richardhedd3080]

Every time I watch atheist experience it boils down to trying to teach critical thinking to people who are immune to it.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

It's a form of narcissistic personality disorder.

[@24magiccarrot]

@@RideAcrossTheRiver I think it's more a fear of death than anything. If what they believe isn't true then it means that when they die they aren't going to be reunited with their gran that they miss in some happy-clappy paradise being served cocktails by Jesus.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

@@24magiccarrot Are those wine cocktails?

[@24magiccarrot]

@@RideAcrossTheRiver The base alcohol in them is the holy spirit.

[@HunnidTheTrapper02]

@@24magiccarrot 😂😂😂😂

[@scottmattern482]

Looking back over my intellectual development that lead me to understand all religion is superstion, I must give credit to Matt and The Atheist Experience. Thank you and its a delight to occasionally watch an episode after all these years. Your work is appreciated far more than you probably realize.

[@dpledford1]

I started my science education as a Christian, wanting the religious claims to be true. The more I learned the less I saw nothing showed did just that. I had the preconceived notion that it was true. I did not place on it what I wanted. I followed the evidence, and eventually accepted that evidence. With that acceptance I was forced to reject god.

[@cy-one]

Do you mean "reject" as in "I'm not convinced it exists" or "convinced it does not exist"?

[@Amoth_oth_ras_shash]

what use is a hollow assertion so to speak... besides , bastet and Tor is better party mates for any potential afterlife ;) love mythology and culture loath religion for the dishonesty it trains or mental blocks it conditions!

[@tshepokgwele1789]

@@Amoth_oth_ras_shash good for you, Namoth... Good for you 👌

[@Amoth_oth_ras_shash]

@@tshepokgwele1789 at times humor is the sharpest tool to view times like these in , just a lill bit jesting with the reflections.

[@dpledford1]

@@cy-one I am not convinced there is any god or anything outside of the natural world. I am an atheist.

[@robsutton6780]

It's quite sad listening to her trapped and going in circles. Pure conditioning right there.

[@gabrieljordan8015]

I use to be absolutely no different. Let's not give up on these people just yet. :)

[@BurntRaisinToast]

@@gabrieljordan8015 Yes. I was brought up in a church every Sunday household, and even wanted to become a minister for a brief time in my adolescence. Many of my family members and ALL of the remaining ancients are firm believers in the resurrection of the God Jesus Christ to this day and will be until they die. I talk to very few of them about religion (usually the other non-believers), and if compelled to attend a service (funeral, wedding, etc) I join in because these are people I love & respect, and my atheism isn’t as important as my love for them. I understand where they’re coming from, and why they believe what they do. I find it easier to tolerate the faith of the ancients, and notice that many of the younger generations no longer attend services. Generations of indoctrination are difficult to unlearn intellectually, and absolutely painful to unlearn emotionally. Giving up a crutch of belief that one has been told all one’s life one can rely on, isn’t a mere matter of listening to scientific reason. It takes deep introspection and a willingness to admit that a huge part of one’s life experience was based on lies. Who can honestly claim that should be easy to do? Unless they’re both intellectually and emotionally prepared to accept a vastly different world-view that includes being entirely personally responsible for one’s actions - forever! - the Helens of the world will continue to believe exactly as they do.

[@brynpookc1127]

Helen came to a gun fight with spitballs. And she ran out of them in about 1 minute.

[@drlegendre]

"Well I read in TIME MAGAZINE.." Oh.. Crack. Me. Up!

[@fusionfan6883]

Ha Ha yes, and sadly we never hear people like Helen saying “well I read in a science text book”. We can but dream!

[@drlegendre]

@@fusionfan6883 And if they do ever quote a textbook, it will be some decades out-of-date, middle school Earth Science material cherry-picked specifically for its dated, superceded content. If it works for Kent Hovind, it can work for her too!

[@emptybucket1988]

Wow she can read

[@BlackReshiram]

She is literally JUST preaching, wtf.

[@phoenixfire8226]

I was an atheist before I watched this. Helen's arguments convinced me that the Lord our savior, Jesus Christ, is in fact, real. Said no one ever.

[@badgermacfeegal618]

She spins in so many circles, I am surprised she isn't dizzy

[@mider-spanman5577]

She most likely is, she tries to play it off to no avail. I heard the shakiness in her voice.

[@mikesandmire1382]

She sounded dizzy to me. They all do, amateurs are spinning furiously, professionals slightly less so, but the arguments are exactly the same. It's sad because it is like the last 10 years never happened, these callers could easily be mistaken for those from a decade ago.

[@davidlanger3295]

I’m amazed that people like Helen are even allowed to vote

[@SceptiGus]

She is dizzy!

[@dkyoungson151]

Dave's sighs are priceless.

[@mider-spanman5577]

Honestly, I was doing the same throughout the video. She had no common sense and is so disingenuous and emotional.

[@MariaKoroleva.Realtor]

“I’m going to call the atheist show who don’t take anything on faith and tell them that I take things on faith”. Such a productive thought through call! 🤣 “Helen, Helen, Helen, Helen…” reminded me of that voiceover animal bit by BBC ONE. Hilarious:)

[@JackgarPrime]

"I was watching the documentary Expelled" whew, that's the definition of "off to a bad start".

[@Alex-0597]

@Warren Higgins Sure, Expelled raises some interesting questions, but it goes out of it's way to avoid giving the answers in order to promote ID.

[@COMALiteJ]

“Expelled” should be expelled from the classification of “documentary.”

[@CausalityLoop]

10 seconds in: "Well I was watching the documentary Expelled..." *grabs popcorn*

[@scionofdorn9101]

Atheism allows you to acknowledge that there is NEVER any circumstance in which it is acceptable to own other people as property. Religion tells you it's okay if God allows it, and even gives you buying and selling tips. If there were never another reason to reject religion, that one alone would be sufficient.

[@jimperry4108]

one of my favorite clips of theirs. For the "best of" archives guys.

[@budd2nd]

Yeah I think I’ll save it. I have a KZbin video entitled atheist arguments, I’ll put it there.

[@jimperry4108]

@@budd2nd I'll bet it's one of the best ones.

[@AvNotasian]

"How do we know lucy wasn't just a short woman with a deformity" Because there was a whole population of lucys which implies they were all "defromed" in the same way due to their genetics. The very argument that she was a deformed human is an admission of bother common ancestry and evolution.

[@BudgetFilmmaking]

As far as Lucy is concerned, she's not the only specimen of Austrelopithecus Afarensis we've found. For us to find one specimen with these specific and predictable "deformities" would have been amazing considering how seldom things fossilize. But to find multiple specimen, with the exact same deformities in the exact same places is inconceivable. There's is no possibility that Lucy was a deformed human.

[@jasonwitte9582]

Matt's response to the location of the garden of Eden was epic! I laughed out loud.

[@joshuastrobel6826]

Me too hahahaha

[@mider-spanman5577]

The Mormons think it’s in fucking Missouri!

[@dennisbecraft1303]

He told her the bible doesn't say Eden was in Mesopotamia, but he should have also said scientists don't either. They have evidence humans first appeared in Africa. He should have pointed out her apologists fooled her twice.

[@jerrylong6238]

@@dennisbecraft1303 I believe the Buybull says that the garden of Eden was in Iraq, or somewhere around Iraq. It says where two rivers met, and I looked up the two rivers it mentioned, and they meet right around Iraq. I just went back and looked up the rivers again, it was the Tigris, and the Euphrates. The Buybull says it is where these two rivers come to head, or meet. So by the map in my Buybull that is Iraq.

[@irish_deconstruction]

@@jerrylong6238 The Bible mentions four rivers; Pison, Gihon, Hiddekel and Euphrates. This is very weak evidence this refers to the Iraqi Rivers, as it is plausible they are talking about completely different rivers because you must remember places had different names back then, aswell as the fact that there are no rivers called Pison or Gihon, just the other two.

[@John_Demarco]

"Jesus is knocking at the door of your heart." Is that my tricuspid valve or my mitral valve?

[@thegrouchization]

Might be at the Aorta.

[@timterrell8678]

It’s actually the grim reaper because those valves are blocked off lol.

[@el29]

in the bible heart represent soul, So it means your personality. .......therefore you're person as a being. But not only the manifestations of your personality but more deeply about the inner core of your'e personality that manifests your behaviour. Your inner pshyce in its deepest core. People dont understand original symbolic languages or hebrew as a real language as it is or its language culture. It's Like when people joke about "Adam and Eve took a fruit from the "Tree" and they belive its physical. But if you look in the symbolic pararells in the whole bible you will realize a Tree is a Soul as often jesus represented it as and also the rest of the bible. A Soul is ( Personality ---) Person). Adam & Eve (That represents humanity if you would look it up ) took from the Devil ( Aka Fallen Person that is a angel). They didn't take the "Tree" ( Lucifer") They took from the fruits ( Manifestations from Lucifer) Etc. But those who are spiritualy blind or lacking knowledge in ancient languages or fail to see the bigger contexts they miss the points constantly and belive "They took from a physical tree and ate a physical fruit". Thats what happends when you dont understand hebrew from the foundation or have bad translations or lack of knowledge in symbolic representations or just lack of wisdom.

[@timterrell8678]

@@el29 Deuteronomy 4:29 mentions heart and soul as two separate things. That’s what’s great about the Bible is that people can make up whatever they want to make it say anything.

[@el29]

@@timterrell8678 No its when people dont get it, i have already said, the heart is the inner chamber of the soul. Its personality in its biggest deepest core, but its still Soul. , its not youre body or the Holy Spirit or Spirit. Go and make up some more false belives. Its not seperate its a duality of the same coin, ying and yang and Tao. Even if you call the sun rays seperate from the Sun it does not mean its not the Sun. They are 2 but they are 1. And youre last comment will stand for you. You know hebrew ?. You are just totaly wrong simple as that, they have never been seperated.

[@Taylor-vz4ot]

This woman was a great example of how my parents behaved and a major reason I no longer speak with them, as they allowed such drivel to be their basis for treating me as sub human once they realized I no longer shared their delusions.

[@huffpappy]

This is a great example of how religious beliefs can destroy a mind. So many circular arguments in such a short period of time.

[@seanalexandre5299]

Remember that song from the 80's "You spin me right round baby right round, like a record baby, right round round round." Now I understand the inspiration for that song.

[@arod0623]

Dave: can you prove that Harry Potter is not true? Lady: fossils 🤣🤣🤣

[@twiki1559]

Sadly I know way too many "Helens". You will never get through to them. The incredible ignorance is truly impenetrable.

[@campfireaddict6417]

I agree. And sweet as sugar, dumb as a bag of hammers, but can sting like a wasp. Especially well entrenched in a community that expects you to be in church, etc. or inquiries as to what was wrong last Sunday, did you go to early services instead or were you sick? The night has a thousand eyes but so does the day, and those Helens tend to have a lot of support ( and fear).

[@margaretbarrett6087]

The reason they deny evolution is because it hasn’t happened to them yet !

[@maxxmabemwe4859]

Archie Bunker was wrong about almost everything, but even he would call this woman a dingbat.

[@johnobrien1528]

Name three things Archie was wrong about?

[@davewilliams5102]

Maxx Mabemwe That was a great comment. I am still laughing. TY.

[@theo-dawg8519]

Archie was the man. Right or wrong.

[@johnobrien1528]

@@theo-dawg8519 always

[@tylercolagerakis2257]

Rumor has it that Helen just qualified for the 2021 Tokyo mental gymnastics team. Congrats!

[@nathanmckenzie904]

She wins gold everytime

[@seanjones2456]

This reminds me of the time Richard Dawkins had the frustrating conversation with Wendy Wright. I compare it to someone picking Gilbert Gottfried over Lebron James in a pickup basketball game.

[@complexeddrummer]

I'm definitely picking Gilbert Gottfried

[@seanjones2456]

@@complexeddrummer great move

[@thomasowens5824]

The day I nearly punched my laptop...... I never knew people like her existed.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

I'd pay to see Gilbert Gottfried remove Wendy Wright's smile.

[@burntgod7165]

You're not allowed to mention Dawkins now. He's been excommunicated by American atheists, some of whom seem to have lost their way.

[@NaughtyNimitz]

Helen is BONKERS! I hope she reads the comments and gets educated

[@FakingANerve]

I'm just happy Helen called in. That was quite a hoot. 😂👍

[@bradgaines]

Let's break down when Helen said "Jesus is knocking on the door of your heart." Jesus is inside my chest cavity? He's literally knocking with his hand? My heart has a door? Do I open the door for him? Will this kill me? What happens when he walks inside my heart? How big is Jesus?

[@mabatch3769]

She watched the “documentary” Expelled. That’s hilarious. She probably should go talk to an evolutionary biologist instead of watching propaganda or calling into an atheist talk show.

[@jameswright...]

If heaven is true give me hell, I can't bare the thought of spending eternity with people like Helen.

[@dshall27]

Matts interogative questions are always so much more more insightful than most other hosts prepackaged responses.

[@Magnusfication]

I agree, Dave detracted from this conversation.

[@Left-is-right-8192]

“These people are just projecting what they want to believe” “Why do you believe in Adam and Eve” “I have faith” 🤪

[@pcppbadminton]

She just projecting her projection.

[@JayJay-two]

I hear "Cuckoo Cuckoo" 🤪

[@jokermaan1]

I don't know which is stranger. Why, if they've watched even one other edition of the AE, these people come on with the same non-arguments, or why I'm fascinated enough to keep listening to them!

[@francelaferriere6106]

You would think that they would come up with better arguments, right?

[@chrispbacon3042]

Ever watch one of those car crash videos online and then watched it again to just how horrible it was. That is this show.

[@sledzeppelin]

I can’t believe that anyone could watch 5 minutes of Ben Stein’s propaganda and not see through it.

[@pcppbadminton]

The phrase "preaching to the choir" comes to mind. It was made only to reinforce blind faith with pseudo-science.

[@sportsfaninternational1614]

The poor woman. She had NO idea what she was getting into when she called in. Assuming you have a "reasonable" Gotcha! argument doesn't make your argument reasonable. But it's fun learning new "facts" from these kind of people. Garden of Eden was in Mesopotamia. Hearts have doors. Religion can ONLY be true if there's a "saviour". My knowledge keeps expanding! 😁

[@TheTruthKiwi]

That is Chandler Bing level sarcasm ;)

[@sportsfaninternational1614]

@@TheTruthKiwi I'll take that! Even though the show itself wasn't THAT funny, I'll admit I watched it for tge sarcasm, and (as a younger male) Jennifer Aniston's "wardrobe"! 😂

[@budd2nd]

Lol 😂🤣

[@Wisdom24-7]

This is a bunch of BULLSHIT no humans evolved from no Ape if that is true why and the hell did the ape stop evolving into humans how did the first apple orange pears get to earth the fruit did not pop out the sky God created the seeds to grow the fruit u people are idiots God please help these idiots🙏🙏

[@budd2nd]

@@Wisdom24-7 Lol. 😂 Are you adding even more glorious sarcasm👍👍 🤣

[@XmasReaper_4414]

Caller: -has issues with science- Also caller: -brings up science corrections corrected by science-

[@jakeherter]

The gotcha of "you would have given me a reasonable explanation if you had it," is as Rock solid as it seems, it's very simple and it's lethal.

[@samcero]

16:40 - I really appreciated Matt's monologue at the end. Honest and heartfelt. Helen's response could not have been better.

[@merbst]

Once again Matt Dillahunty shows that he is the best Matt on KZbin!

[@trinsit]

This is the best call I've heard in a long time. At every time around 11:00 where Dave asks about disproving other books, when she keeps asking "well does the book claim . . . ," Dave should have kept saying, "Yes it does. Prove it doesn't." The perfect sacrifice is Harry Potter. I love Matt's method, but feel Dave's was more effective.

[@PavelJagen]

Completely disagree. Bringing up Harry Potter does nothing. As she says, it's an obvious work of fiction and is ridiculous to try and compare it. Matt was trying to push her on the hypocrisy of dismissing other religious books that are actually believed by millions of people whilst advocating her own based on the exact same basis, ie faith. Then Dave jumped in and derailed it by talking about Harry Potter which is such a non-argument. I honestly don't understand why they always do this, they never seem to want to bring up other religions and ask why people are happy dismissing those but not their own.

[@trinsit]

@@PavelJagen oh no, I wasn't saying to use Harry Potter and say it to the caller. I'm declaring that Harry Potter IS the perfect sacrifice. That was my personal claim. 😂

[@trinsit]

@@PavelJagen as far as between Matt and Dave, it doesn't matter if Matt makes a better argument if the person receiving it doesn't understand it. She clearly doesn't. That's why Dave tried using an analogy. Showing people their hypocrisy doesn't do anything but throw up their defences and their brain will pull out all the reasons why they're different. If you'd like to learn more, check out Anthony Magnabosco's channel. He does street epistemology.

[@bikeshop2002]

@@PavelJagen Harry Potter is actually based on the Christian bible. The author said so herself. Harry's sacrifice was nearly the same as Christ's. It's hilarious that you think it's such obvious fiction but that it doesn't hold up in an argument against the Bible. It's a great comparison - and although most people don't believe it's real, it's the number one book series of all time...only the bible sells more copies. So it matters a lot to a lot of people, even if it clearly isn't real. Just like the bible.

[@kathryngeeslin9509]

She did squiggle around a lot about the Quran and Bahgavad Gita. I thought it was hilarious the way she'd jump ship with "but what about ...!" every time she was asked a question about her previous subject for which she was pathetically unprepared.

[@sunzi42]

A perfect fundamentalist fanatic. Every religion wants these people!

[@paulcontursi5982]

Lucy is not the only specimen of Australopithecus afarensis.

[@Linda-pg3so]

One of the best discussions I've heard. Well done guys.

[@barbiedahl]

Fundagelicals. Great mash-up term. I'll be using that one from now on.

[@tedbracken2178]

Called a portmanteau

[@raulmedina7936]

Hahahaha the very end was brilliant! "She's probably hi fiveing jesus right now" 😂😂😂😂. I really think that's what she thinks, unbelievable!

[@nelsrinden510]

Helen is a shining example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

[@infidelcastro5129]

Wow, that was painful to watch. Good luck, Helen.

[@edheal3246]

I would not trust Helen to sit the right way on a toilet

[@TH3-MONK]

Helen is unfixable.

[@visforvegan8]

I don't know, I think we can work with this. You're short on rent, tell Helen god told you that she should pay it. Boom, you're golden. Just think of all the applications. Helen is a very helpful person.

[@christophzeit6282]

ix = uck

[@richardlewin9282]

That's going to be a tough nut to crack. So many years of indoctrination she really doesn't know any better 😩

[@_Somsnosa_]

Even if she is unfixable, her call might help another theist question their beliefs.

[@ChockHolocaust]

Her entire argument comprises: 'but...but... muh magic sky wizard holy book....'

[@LittleRebellionRaven]

You can literally hear the sparks as she short circuited...

[@cosmai23]

Does not compute…does not compute…does not compute.

[@rocktober1327]

Hellen hasn't thought her beliefs out, she just believes. To Matt, It's a possibility that aliens did create us, there's a movie about it.

[@grizzlycharizard0017]

Believing blindly into something is dangerous.

[@ajclements4627]

TNG “The Chase” IIRC dealt with that scenario as well.