No Birth Time in Astrology: How to Read a Natal Chart With No Time

In episode 270 astrologers Chris Brennan and Leisa Schaim discuss which techniques you can use in natal astrology to interpret a birth chart even when you don't have a birth time.
Western astrology has focused very heavily on using timed birth charts since about the 1st century BCE, and there are many techniques in natal astrology that can only be employed if you know a person’s exact time of birth.
While in many western countries the birth time is usually recorded on a person’s birth certificate, not everyone knows or can obtain their birth time, which means that there are some techniques that simply cannot be applied to their chart.
In this podcast we set out to discuss which techniques can be applied to a person’s birth chart even if their birth time is unknown, and what we discovered along the way is that there is actually a lot that you can still do without a birth time.
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Timestamps
00:00:00 Intro
00:02:00 Why a birth time is important
00:06:28 How to obtain a birth time
00:15:48 Sunrise vs. noon chart
00:21:28 Planets in signs and aspects
00:24:00 What to ignore
00:26:12 What to focus on
00:28:06 Interpreting planets
00:36:12 Sign-based aspects
00:38:34 Aspect patterns
00:40:45 Lunar phase
00:42:34 Childhood environment
00:46:33 Synastry with family members
00:48:25 Composite charts
00:49:24 Transits
00:52:39 Life stage transits
00:57:43 Profected house topics
01:06:01 Rectification concerns
01:07:53 Secondary progressions
01:11:01 Solar arcs
01:12:56 Venus and Mars retrograde cycles
01:14:35 Eclipse cycles
01:16:00 Concluding remarks

[@_aiborie]

Leisa Schaim, always great to have her on the show 😻

[@_tacins_]

They're great together!

[@IrynLost]

Great episode, thank you! Part of my daily practice as a counseling astrologer, and yes, imho a birth time is indeed a privilege especially for marginalized people. Thank you for showing that astrology can be accessible for everyone.

[@TexasSkyz]

9:55 my mom told me I was born at 6 am and when I found my BC it stated 9:30 pm 😂😂

[@amberford6892]

Leisa appreciation comment 💚💚💚💚🥰

[@Blurko17]

1:08:42 I was born with Jupiter, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto retrograde so, because these planets move so slowly, in the secondary progresions they are and will be retrograde until I die. And the worst is that few days after I was born Saturn also turned retrograde. I´m 62 years old now and only Uranus is straight in the Sec. Prog., the other 4 are still retrograde. Uranus turned straight when I was 28 years old (almost exactly 34 years ago), finishing my master´s degree studies and engendering my first child (a girl). I didn´t notice the fact that correlates the engendering of my first child with the change in dierction of Uranus in the Sec. Prog. until today. Thanks Chriss !!!

[@godluvsmegodspeed4155]

I have been looking for a video on this for weeks😩🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾 THANKA A MILLION SPIRIT GUIDES FOR YOUR CONTINUOUS HELP!!! I LOVE YOU ALL💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗🌈🍀🧲 I have been trying to study on reading and understanding my birth chart to find my North and South Nodes. It’s difficult doing it on my own not knowing where to start.

[@katielynneyoung4738]

Thanks once again, for another great podcast!

[@claudiam3782]

Awesome talk -thank you for sharing your knowledge, Loved it :)

[@ErieTay1EricaReign22]

Really great breakdown guys

[@rebeccafreeh-maciorowski7585]

Thank you for covering this topic!!! I've been struggling with charts where I have no birth time!!! So helpful!!!!

[@chrisdoesmusic]

My birth certificate doesn't have my exact birth time on it (UK) My mother has a personal recollection of my birth time, although I don't quite know it to be exact - it happens to be right on an ascendant cusp between two signs.

[@Loufi303]

Unintentional ASMR alert! For real, both of you are extremely pleasant to listen to.

[@ewadsworth]

Love the new video edit/angle feature! And the topic. Brilliant as always.

[@VJ_7137]

Great video ....quality content... please consider doing elements, signs in detail...would love a 3 hour video on each sign from perspective of Lisa, Austin and Kelly and your self...🎉🙏👍

[@embracingtarot166]

I am a new subscriber. I am also fairly new to Astrology but I’m learning more and more every day. So when I found this channel, my heart filled with joy. Yesterday’s episode with Carole Taylor was amazing, I ended up purchasing her book after listening to the podcast. I would like to thank you for being so open and sharing information. I appreciate the way you communicate and explain things that make sense, at least to me. THANK YOU!

[@Natalia-hf3et]

I totally agree with you. Chis’ speaking voice, way of communicating and teaching style is easygoing and I’m able to follow along with his pace. This helps me greatly because, as a student of astrology, I’m learning through books, videos and social media without being able to ask questions and have them answered in real time. I’m looking forward to being able to purchase his course.

[@Nika-Dubai]

Thank you both!

[@velmathepelmar]

Thank you so much Chris and Leisa for this very informative talk. One question.....in line with your meticulous attention to detail (and my Virgo midheaven) at 36.30 timeline you say that with aspects between two planets, the earlier planet takes dominance and I'm not sure if I understand this correctly. For e.g. I have Jupiter and Saturn together in Capricorn Jupiter 11 Saturn 18 - does this mean Jupiter takes dominance? It seems to run contrary to what one might suppose which is that planets with higher degrees have more power and therefore dominance. Much appreciated.

[@lyndacalder5083]

Sometimes, where birthmarks , such as moles , and their colour, red or very dark, are on the body, can give clues to the rising sign, for example if youve a very dark mole, on the right side of the body, perhaps in scorpio, will tell you what side of the chart saturn is placed, and if saturn aspects a planet in scorpio

[@kausarisah7091]

Thanks for good efforts, no podcast for lunar mansions ?

[@francescazaccaria1482]

Birth certificates (at least in Europe) are not always reliable as someone had to go to the council office to record the birth and it was done often hours or days after the actual birth. For example I am registered as being born at 17:00 but there is no way I was born that late. So I figured a time between my parents’ memory of the birth time (anything between 14:00 18:00) and events in life and character elements that better define my ascendant and houses.

[@elianenicole1008]

I use the sunrise chart in my practice on the rare occasion people don't have the time and I find that when you put the sun on the rising the houses the other planets fall in end up being very accurate by the same principle that the derivative house system works. These have been incredibly accurate readings still including houses.

[@rabeechowdhury]

Sun is in the same sign for over a month 🤡

[@elianenicole1008]

@@rabeechowdhury true that. But the ancients used this technique too and it works. Because you are doing based on the degree of the sun that day.

[@sn8323]

In other words youre doing a solar chart. That's all you can do when you don't have a birth time. And the solar chart holds a huge wealth of information if you know what to look for. When i have clients who can't discover any info on their birth time, I'll do a solar chart and I've never run out of information to share, and the client always finds the reading deeply insightful and helpful.

[@akijahmonae6186]

Using the noon chart for myself , I resonate with the flip viewing of my chart with my MC and IC being flipped signs? What time of day should I look into earlier or later in the day?

[@LoriTianSailiata]

I was drugged and there was a lot of confusion when my 2nd daughter was born. A c-section with complications. It took quite awhile for them to cut the umbilical cord. Her birth certificate has a her with a Virgo ASC. I’ve always thought she was a Leo ASC but then she does have the Moon applying to Neptune conjunction 🥴 so as her mother I might not be the most clear headed about this 🤣

[@_aiborie]

Omg my sister was also drugged because it was a C-section birth and her son have Moon conjunct Neptune, that is so eerie haha! Her husband made sure to get the accurate time of their son's birth which I'm grateful for.

[@imsodeadugh6911]

Love this video! And i just want to ask, do you guys go by tropical or sidereal??

[@Maiingan_Miikana]

the chart there using is a tropical one and they seem to use the term "western astrology". If i was a betting man, there going by tropical

[@DanielMartins-og2gj]

tropical equal house I think.. I use placidus but look to equal house for Northerly charts

[@DarkMoonDroid]

Tropical, whole-house.

[@liaserpentini6111]

guayaki on deck I love it

[@kristinarunciman2521]

This is so long after original airing of podcast, but I hope someone sees this question: does one consider the nodes in reading a chart without a birth time?

[@slporter722]

How does the location of birth impact a chart? For example, a couple I know was born on the exact month, day, and year but different states. I do not know the birth time of either but wondering the differences based on location of birth.

[@tehufn]

The ascendant is where the sun rises. The horizon is aligned to a slightly (or greatly) different part of the sky depending on where you are.

[@kristine8338]

In tropical astrology I have ♍️ ascendant, in sidereal i am ♌️. Can you give me advice on that please?

[@lisacampbell9601]

In sidereal they read the sign prior to your tropical sign. So Virgo would be Leo

[@JoBisbee]

I was delivered by a midwife in the 50"s. My time of birth is not on my birth certificate. Mom said I was born around 3:00 am. She said it could have been a little before or after 3:00 am. My father has no idea. I had a chart done using 3:00 am. Will 10 -15 minutes off make a difference in the chart? I have always wondered.

[@Xhayl]

It can yes, sample this by changing your birth time to 2:45am and 3:15am. As mentioned in this video what tends to change most is your rising sign and the moon.

[@smartcatcollarproject5699]

You can draw your free natal chart on many websites, astro.com, astrotheme.com etc. then edit the date or create a 2nd, 3rd profile. You can also chose different house systems, Placidus, whole houses, full sign, etc Then there is the sidereal and tropical zodiacs... Have fun ! ;-)

[@rabeechowdhury]

Yes it can change her Tropical and Sidereal Shashtiamsa chart Ascendant.

[@SEXgoddess.]

I'm either a virgo (85-90%), libra (also 85-90%), scorpio (65-70%), sag (60-65%) and finally cap (45-50%) rising. DEFINITELY not past that. It's killing me.

[@solarphoenixfire]

Seems like a very Virgo rising breakdown to me! LOL.

[@pyro-0438]

@@solarphoenixfire that's what i was about to say lol

[@daniawania]

Look at the houses layout.

[@JoeyPuopolo]

I love that it says Sumo Coppock. I died when I saw that last episode too 😆❤️🐈

[@akindertone]

Great topic and great discussion, but too many commercials.

[@TheAstrologyPodcast]

Thanks for the feedback, I was letting KZbin place mid roll ads automatically, but didn't realize until I checked just now how many they were placing throughout the video as a result. I just went in and disabled the ones that were playing midway through the video.

[@_aiborie]

Blame KZbin, even other channels complain about the midroll ads. Once your video is eligible, YT would just automatically add them. It's annoying indeed! Greed on their part. There's ad block but I encourage you to play ads to help the channels you like. Your patience is commendable!

[@RadioCorbeau]

5:25 Glad to find out i'm not alone in this... XD

[@janetennyson131]

When does the actual topic start, reading WITHOUT the time? After fifteen minutes still not😢

[@heatheryoung3808]

I have my birth time drilled into my head because for years growing up on my birthday when it was coming up to 1:47 P.m my mom would say oh in two minutes you're gonna turn x amount of years Lol That kind of thing

[@lukecarey613]

Adopted and born in a house not a hospital. Have never met my original family! and birth certificate does NOT provide time of birth. There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that you can help me find this. I only want to do the astrology that is possible. I have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT TIME I WAS BORN. 😳 I watched the whole rectification ep and it was NO help. Thank you but please keep it as simple as possible

[@mattypoissonnier8693]

Same here, I was adopted as well, I do have my birth certificate from El Salvador, also it was in 1991, so there was a war going on and.... well I guess I will never know 😐

[@lukecarey613]

@@mattypoissonnier8693 I feel ok now about it. More healed. I just expected people to understand but people don’t always think about adopted people. I hope you find what you need

[@mattypoissonnier8693]

@@lukecarey613 I'm glad you healed :) I did a search a few years ago, ended up with a dead end, so I'm in peace about it. Indeed, I have the feeling that adoption nowadays is more of a rare thing (personal feeling, living in Europe)

[@lukecarey613]

@@mattypoissonnier8693 🌤🌱 all the best

[@bratzxinita]

@@lukecarey613 yeah, totally. That's me aswell. I came here to know if there's a way to get a birth chart kinda accurate without the birth time. And there's no way i can get my birth certificate

[@Ana-gi5rg]

Can anyone tell me which are the exact placement not influenced by your birth hour?I know Venus is one of them.Thank you.

[@deedeesigvertsen9157]

All the inner planets from jupiter down

[@mw4724]

WHY NOT DISCUSS WHAT YOU CAN DO, WITHOUT A TIME OF BIRTH?? You spent the first 5+ minutes discussing what you CANT DO, without a time of birth, yet nearly nothing on what you CAN DO, without time of birth! WTF??

[@TheAstrologyPodcast]

The entire rest of the episode beyond the first 5 minutes is about what you can do with out the time of birth, but we first had to establish why it is important to try to find the birth time if you can.

[@kausarisah7091]

Thanks for good efforts, no podcast for lunar mansions ?

[@DarkMoonDroid]

I want that too!