No Easy Choices in This War of Mine

[@k98killer]

Fun thought: in the far future, if this video is the only surviving artifact that depicts Chris, then historians will not be able to prove that he had elbows.

[@gamersunbeaten]

Maybe I don't

[@nathanbean8763]

@@gamersunbeaten Elbow reveal when?

[@littleredpony6868]

Max Headroom doesn’t have elbows

[@peterscott4715]

This the type of game you play once from start to finish, then glue your soul back together. I love it.

[@darksars3622]

"War will be any day now" - unknown

[@noapologizes2018]

Commander Vaako "Kneel, this is your last chance." Riddick "I kneel for no man." Commander Vaako "He's not a man. He's the Holy Half dead that has seen the under verse." Riddick "Look I'm not with these people but I will take a piece of him." Commander Vaako " A piece you shall have." ( The Chronicles of Riddick) 2004

[@gamersunbeaten]

One of my favorites

[@theoperations804]

This War of Mine is based on a Real Life Bosnian War

[@oscargoldman85]

Fascinating insight why do you not have more viewers for this? This is great thumbs up, support the channel.

[@gamersunbeaten]

Thank you so much! Channels growing bit by bit.

[@oscargoldman85]

@@gamersunbeaten which bit? Sorry - just hasslin'

[@NathanielRuzicka]

This War of Mine has REALLY deep thoughts while gaming, games like chess require thought, but they don't leave you existentially disturbed for years because of people you just killed voluntarily.

[@whyjnot420]

Yeah, in chess I never had a knight that was a deserter who, when made to once again act like a solder, leave the board through an act of self deletion. In order to succeed in it, the game forces you to start to think in very unsettling ways. I don't like comparisons to Papers Please. Which is a great critique of authoritarian and totalitarian governments, but is quite deliberately cartoonish. Papers Please makes a person confront some good quandaries. But This War of Mine forces a person to truly switch into a mindset where survival is all that truly matters in the end. Then when you find out that it is not simply fiction, that it is historical fiction. With many details explicitly taken from the almost 4 year long Siege of Sarajevo. It hits all of it home with a sledgehammer.

[@daniellickel9867]

I do not dwell in a swamp. They filled it all in around here in Florida.

[@whyjnot420]

This is the video game world's response to Requiem for A Dream. A masterpiece that truly has to be experienced once, but you never really want to go near it ever again. edit: or perhaps Elephant.

[@lastdayonearth8381]

A Classic For Sure.

[@Yes-vx2un]

I played this game with my parents watching, and while my characters were starving my parents were telling me to 'just raid the elderly couple' and I'm like 'no but that's mean and I want to be the good guy' and then my parents said 'we would do that if it were us' and ever since then I've been reevaluating my whole moral compass

[@BoycottChinaa]

Boomers hated how logical and resilient their parents were..

[@thereseemstobeenanerror1219]

The moral compass is such a fickle tool to the point. It's been questioned does it really even matter.

[@LordAlchemist]

One of my Favorite Games

[@gamersunbeaten]

BRUTAL

[@matthewmcclary7855]

​@@gamersunbeaten keep engaging with as many people as you can, please. It is definitely one of the many highlights that comes with this new channel. If only engagement was implemented on three other channels I see Chris, and his podcast team (hi Matt), it could change their monetization efforts and fight off all the bot attacks. Tell Chris I would recommend "Red Dead Redemption 2" as there is a strong social conflict already being fought in the game that is relatable to the American dream.

[@Ushanka94]

Victor Frankls book really is a must read that you rarely hear mentioned

[@fyrchmyrddin1937]

Mandela, on the other hand, should never be considered a moral individual. He owes his adulation to the Soviet-supported Left.

[@Mindgoblin5]

This video reminds me of Flight of the Pigeon on Battlefield 1. Pretty much you're a messenger Pigeon of WW1 and while you fly through the air, you see a birds eye view of the destruction the war caused down below. Very sad seeing the battle level an entire village, memories lost, childhoods ruin.

[@largezo7567]

This game is a classic

[@guguigugu]

we dont have a system to transfer generational knowledge. as soon as one generation dies off, the next one starts commiting the same mistakes. the cycle continues.

[@tobymiller111]

''books''

[@ARagedTaco]

@@tobymiller111 sshhh

[@guguigugu]

@@tobymiller111 obviously they are not very effective

[@donaldduck830]

@@tobymiller111 If only people read and understood the books. Or if only there were schools that were more than warehouses for children but in which they were actually taught something constructive and useful.

[@lol22964]

The meme DNA of our souls

[@Bigbadredg14nt]

Hey chris, you should play frostpunk 1 to get ready for frostpunk 2! I’ll think you’ll enjoy the morals and different choice paths it allows you

[@gamersunbeaten]

I’ll look it up!

[@byrnedegrandpre8884]

Great video Chris.

[@gamersunbeaten]

Thank you!

[@leslienordman8718]

Thank you for hanging us on the horns of our dilemmas! This really works my brain and heart.

[@rommel2993]

Hey Chris, I don't always watch the videos on Gamers Unbeaten, surprisingly since I love video games myself, but this was a fantastic video! Love the message. Keep up the good work, and spread the good word!! Especially in these times.

[@henrikthortonson2093]

This War of Mine is a great game. It is hard to play the role of a good guy, might I suggest hunting bandits?

[@Obombabinladin]

ive got like 90 hours into this game, its fantastic

[@Michael-Archonaeus]

Forever Jung, I want to be forever Jung. Do you really want to live forever, forever, and ever?

[@adamrandall5967]

Man’s Ultimate Quest, for Gaming 🎮 That doesn’t involve batteries ✨🙏🏼🫧

[@timinou9915]

" We got this "

[@G00GleIsACr33p]

I wonder if relying upon a big government leads these 'turnings'?

[@EivindFlores]

Society of the Snow is exactly like Alive, but with more gore.

[@ARagedTaco]

great choice

[@MarkO-im7lc]

First time over from China uncensored. You are very ellequint with your speaking. Very entertaining.

[@rogergriffin9893]

What, you mean that we don't live in the best of all possible world's?

[@zot2698]

i have to say, the quality of Gamers Unbeaten is amazing! I'm subscribed, I love the videos. But I rarely click to watch it. I dont know why?!

[@gamersunbeaten]

Awesome! I'm glad you like it!

[@Jaysin412]

Absolutely amazing game

[@hoi-polloi1863]

Hey, wait just one minute here. Howe and Strauss wrote a book about the cyclical nature of American history, called "The Fourth Turning". Now they have apparently written the book *again* hence proving their cyclical theory...

[@RyanK-100]

Great philosophical aside.

[@DavidMarcus1525]

This game is one of many games I loved back then. I wish the game would add some interesting things to it like new items, new facilities, new scenarios, and other stuff.

[@Zacharoni4085]

I recommend everyone to play this video game.

[@xanthosamoni2072]

One of the only games I bought on steam in that year it came out. It's a game another game to me that answers the: "are games art?"

[@gamersunbeaten]

Yeah, some games really elevate the artform.

[@formdusktilldeath]

I'm not well versed in moral philosophies... is Categorical Imperative something like the deontological principle?

[@gamersunbeaten]

Yes, I believe so.

[@Alonewolf147]

as thy devil, i approve

[@sheldonwheaton881]

Oh, there you go bringing Kant into it again!

[@JazzJackrabbit]

He Kant help himself

[@horrorislander]

Dude actually made a career out of a philosophy degree, it seems.

[@gamersunbeaten]

Ha, actually it was a music degree...

[@horrorislander]

@@gamersunbeaten Noted!

[@alxp-zd1zj]

never fear, its wasted energy.

[@holdmeshillelagh6600]

Only a real man can use the term "meat sweats" accurately, you awesome bearded LEGEND!

[@gamersunbeaten]

Appreciate you

[@nealjustus9500]

it shouldn't matter if it feels good or not. give as if you are giving to the lord, take only what is needed for you and your responsibilities, and hoard not to extend your life but to aid in times of trouble. feeling good or bad about it should never come into any of it.

[@thereseemstobeenanerror1219]

In english please.

[@89volvowithlazers]

I played this for awhile the thing is - intense and sad

[@samjackson1635]

definitely will want to get the steam workshop mod to play as the ex-presidents

[@maxwaller2055]

*¡The God and The Godess with Gods and Goddesses have NEVER existed!*

[@privatea8489]

God is NOT dead. He loves us and wants us to fall on our knees and turn back to him. When you push God out you don't have empty space. Principalities and powers (the father of lies) rushes in to fill that space. Only God can save us.

[@MrEdioss]

God is hiding in WhatsApp

[@Michael-Archonaeus]

I think you are right. Like liquid, something will always rush in to fill whatever void is left in the absence of water. And before anyone says, well sometimes it's dry, actually that is not entirely true, because even the air is really a liquid.

[@alxp-zd1zj]

Yeah God also said that we should not be idle and we should do it ourselves. Nothing done yet.

[@ishko108]

God is never dead nor will he ever be. Only the pathetic blind ones who claim there is no God will find out the truth soon enough.

[@thereseemstobeenanerror1219]

Last thing I want when I'm dealing with situation like this is to talk to a religious person.

[@thomasrobinson8789]

You should have said that people "are getting their red hats and blue dye out of the closet."

[@pirauxjulian2364]

For super earth!

[@stlouisix3]

God liveth!!!

[@timothy4131]

God is not dead he is very much alive and very soon the Judgment of this world is at hand

[@eetadakimasu]

Exactly! I pray for all the KZbinrs that I watch, but find that more and more I'm unsubscribing... I'll keep praying though

[@timothy4131]

@@eetadakimasu God bless you and may He pour out his love and mercy on your family and you keep on praying

[@thereseemstobeenanerror1219]

( ；-｀д´-)

[@yllare]

all hail the omnisiah! XD

[@ljsmooth69]

That sounds like the movie Fargo to me

[@Saf_Ibn_Sayyad_Bacon]

Wait... arnt yiu tye man from china news?

[@mandywinter8871]

Please provide references for where the Bible says it's ok to steal? (Not trying to disagree yet, but I'm curious)

[@gamersunbeaten]

I’d say a good story to look at to challenge the Kant brain we all suffer from is the story of Tamar.

[@eetadakimasu]

​@@gamersunbeatenthat's not the reference he asked for

[@mandywinter8871]

@gamersunbeaten I agree that the story of Tamar isn't easy to put into a straightforward moral box. However, Tamar isn't the example you gave in your video.

[@gamersunbeaten]

Proverbs 6:30. That’s specifically about stealing for food. Tamar does steal as well. Her story makes sense if you look up what’s called levirate marriage. But again, that’s not an ethical framework that works with the categorical imperative.

[@eetadakimasu]

@@gamersunbeaten then why bring it up? Why the personal vendetta?

[@NilsFredrikGjerull]

I support virtue ethics based on moral realism.

[@phuongtruongtran6219]

Hope to see you play Killer7 and Collar×Malice one day.

[@TheTimmir]

1st. time on this channel. not bad

[@elcidgaming]

You see,,,Jesus was a real chad

[@janstarosta3646]

❤

[@JazzJackrabbit]

I was expecting a Nietzschean take on the game. But I suppose you Kant?

[@gamersunbeaten]

I see what you did there

[@Samuel42069]

we are in constant crisis since ww2. I disagree with the society "behaving" "cyclicaly".

[@inotaishu1]

what would Jesus do? Bring a sword and whoever loves his family more than Jesus, is not worthy of Jesus.

[@gamersunbeaten]

Luke 14:26

[@eetadakimasu]

Ya... That was actually a bread cutting daggar because they were called to travel and proclaim the Gospel. And yes, strong terms were used to help people understand that God must be paramount in their hearts. It was not a call to hate, though that language is intentionally used because love for God should eclipse all else to the point that love of anything else pales in comparison... It was not extolling actual hate.

[@inotaishu1]

@@eetadakimasu sure, that must be it. And in the Old Testament slavery is not allowed.

[@eetadakimasu]

@@inotaishu1 sure slavery was allowed, but I'm the New Testament you see that abolished, and when guidelines are given for how slaves are to act, it's referring to God's people who find themselves in slavery by either selling themselves into it to settle debts, or by force, such as war. Unfortunately, these verses have been grossly misused and misinterpreted throughout history.

[@inotaishu1]

@@eetadakimasu no where in the new testament is slavery abolished. Sure there is this one statement about all being one but there is also the one stating that slaves should stay slaves. And sorry, but nope, the old testament straight up states that the hebrews were allowed to take slaves from the people around them. Spare me this misused and misinterpreted nonsense.

[@TheGiggleMasterP]

God isn't dead he's just not sure if he cares anymore.

[@mygodisyahweh8634]

You're a typical Low IQ knob

[@slappythesquirrel2371]

God never cared. it's men doing all the heavy lifting and dump the credit or blame on the imaginary character.

[@tonynavarro8375]

In my personal opinion, BREAKING ANY of the Ten Commandments, EVEN for a GOOD and VERY JUSTIFIABLE HUMAN BASED reason is STILL A SIN in the eyes of GOD, BUT then we come to the question; "ARE YOU TRULY SORRY FOR THE SIN(S) THAT YOU COMMUTED"? In the end, that's between you and GOD. GOD's JUSTICE is ABSOLUTE. BUT paradoxically, GOD'S JUSTICE is also MERCIFUL and FLEXIBLE based on GOD'S ability to see into the TRUTH in your SOUL. You will recall that when GOD declared that he would level a city which was THICK with sinners (sort'a like Oakland, and Los Angeles nowadays), a devout man was able to "bargain" with GOD asking "What if there is ONE GOOD PERSON in the city. Will YOU still destroy it, Oh LORD"? To which we ALL know that GOD agreed that IF HE could find even ONE innocent, Good soul in the sinful city, HE would not destroy it. Unfortunately, we also know how the story ends. WHICH is not good news for cities like Oakland, Los Angeles, Moscow, or even Beijing for that matter. There WILL come a reckoning in the future. THAT is the ABSOLUTE nature of GOD'S JUSTICE. It is CERTAIN, and it is INESCAPABLE. It's final form, though, will depend on how redeemable GOD thinks a soul is. I don't know about fancy philosophies of self proclaimed "GREAT" men and women. Personally, I try to live by two basic rules. 1. Do Unto Others As you Would Have Others Do Unto You. 2. LOVE others As You Would Love yourself. Other Human created social rules and restrictions are there just to help us maintain social civility, but without the foundation of the previously mentioned TWO RULES from GOD, such Human rules and restrictions can break down in a heart beat, especially in an atmosphere of GREED, CORRUPTION and SELF - PRIDE. No wonder that a lot of people see Trump's escape from death as Divine intervention. Human HATE and Self -Pride in the form of a lone sniper reared it's ugly head, fueled by CONSTANT, Hateful rhetoric. And GOD declared "Not This Time. I Need This Man To Help Repair A Broken World". whiile at the same time, GOD made sure that Trump understood the OPPORTUNITY and RESPONSIBILITY placed upon his shoulders. As for the still mostly DELUDED Dumb - O - Crat- ick Perty and Sloppy Joe Biden, ... Will GOD manage to find even ONE GOOD PERSON among that bunch? I truly hope so. After all, a GOD given SOUL is a TERRIBLE THING TO WASTE.

[@thereseemstobeenanerror1219]

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[@sinisterthoughts2896]

The struggle of classifying and codifying of morals is the issue of thinking morality is both universal and inflexible. Principles are both subjective and Contextual, with nearly no true definitive. Un the end, they are not laws to be adhered to, but guideline to help navigate our decisions.

[@dmwfourth]

I beg to differ. Gander and goose morality is the one true way! 🪿🙏

[@NathaNeil27]

A response to the comment on stealing at 6:34. Proverbs 6:30-31 Amplified Bible (AMP) People do not despise a thief if he steals to satisfy himself when he is hungry; But when he is found, he must repay seven-fold [what he stole]; He must give all the property of his house [if necessary to meet his fine]. Proverbs 6:30-31 The Message (MSG) Hunger is no excuse for a thief to steal; When he’s caught, he has to pay it back, even if he has to put his whole house in hock. So the only time it is understandable is when you are desperately in need. However, though it is understandable from a human point of view, it is still not right, and God never condones it.

[@richsentertainmentproductions]

God does not say its ok to steal, men in bible history have.

[@ikkinwithattitude]

Technically, what God says is that people with productive property are required to leave a certain portion of it aside for the sustenance of those who could not otherwise survive. If a property owner went back over his properties to collect the leftovers that ought to have been left for the poor and a poor individual who was counting on that food to survive snuck into the property owner's barn to take some of it to feed his family, it's reasonable to conclude that the property owner would be considered the real thief. With that said, I don't think the poor man's actions in that case would constitute stealing in the first place, because the food rightfully belonged to him.

[@richsentertainmentproductions]

@@ikkinwithattitude You seem to have a good understanding of the text. If you believe the bible is the word of God as I do than you can also draw the conclusion that it all belongs to God. If we believe the commands and instructions that He gives it is for the good of all of us to live in those ways, we can live more peaceful lives together. I really appreciate your thoughts on this matter and sharing with me. God bless you.

[@thelocoshabab]

Christian Virtue Ethics > Rigid Deontology

Chris, God is not dead. Jesus is Lord. He rose from the dead, ascended into the heavens and will return to judge the living and the dead and to rule forever and ever. By the way, I met my wife and got married in the city where Immanuel Kant was born, worked and died; Köningsberg (today Kaliningrad).

[@ScreamingSturmovik]

i was expecting a lot more about This War of Mine....little disappointed

[@eetadakimasu]

Yeah, that was a little bit of a melt down

[@DaoXi-vz4wi]

👁👁👁

[@sheldonwheaton881]

"God is a Sadist. And he doesn't know it." - James Coburn, "Cross of Iron"

[@southcoastinventors6583]

Replication results in hording it only gets bigger as the organisms gains complexity.

[@MiguelDLewis]

6:07 The Bible does not say that it's okay to lie or steal. You're confusing the Torah with the Talmud. The Talmud is not the Torah and has absolutely nothing to do with the Torah. Pikuach Nefesh is the concept that you're referring to and it's of Babylonian origin.

[@gamersunbeaten]

I’m not actually. Working on a post to explain this more since a lot of people are taking issue with what I said.

[@MiguelDLewis]

@@gamersunbeaten If you're specifically talking about the Torah by itself, there's nothing in it that allows lying or stealing. Even Abraham clarified that he wasn't lying when he was accused of lying about Sarah. And Rahab's lie wasn't permitted either, since she was a heathen and a harlot.

[@gamersunbeaten]

Oh Abraham was totally in the wrong there. The Torah is definitely not saying what he did was good.

[@MiguelDLewis]

@@gamersunbeaten He didn't lie though. Sarai really is his sister.

[@gamersunbeaten]

He didn’t lie, but everything else was wrong

[@michaelsaxton9416]

There are times that you do get stuff wrong and this is one of them . When you were saying that the Bible says it's okay to steal you are speaking in terrible. A device used to bring about moral thoughts to an instance. God's law says Thou shalt not steal, and that is true throughout the Bible know where does the bible say that is actually okay to steal

[@gamersunbeaten]

Check out the story of Tamar

[@bobsmith1313]

Aren't the torah a Jewish book not a christian book aka the bible 🤔

[@gamersunbeaten]

The Torah is the first five books of the Bible. Torah usually gets translated as law or teachings.

[@jaredgingerich6705]

Chris I like you but you're dead wrong. The Bible says nothing about stealing being OK if you need it. Lying about the Bible is uncool

[@gamersunbeaten]

Proverbs 6:30 but also, check out the story of Tamar. Flies in the face of Kantian ethics.

[@eetadakimasu]

Well, since it wasn't specific, I'll just have to guess about the Bible verses. My best guess for "taking your neighbors food so that you and your family can survive" (since that isn't in there) would be when it speaks of manna-bread from heaven- where everyone was instructed to only gather for the daily needs if their family, since new manna was given each morning. To teach God's people to rely on Him. Those who unnecessarily horded manna, would find the extra rotted the next day. The other stuff I have no clue about but it's strange how hostile these channels have become. My heart goes out to those who have been misused by any religion, I've been there too, but my beliefs are my own, I don't see everyone as equally bad. If their views are negative and leaving towards misuse, I try to have a convo, if they don't want to it are being horribly humans, that's the end, I leave them to their maker. Why these makers have become increasingly hostile, is unknown, maybe more subs means their true colors are showing. I just wish they'd keep open minds. Their hostility certainly doesn't sway me to their side. I hope they find peace and have nothing but success

[@KurtBoulter]

Strange, how you claim the bible says it is okay to steal, yet don't show any verse that purports this to be so. Just because the scriptures faithfully records the depravity of man, that does not mean God endorses said action, otherwise all reporters would be complicit in the news they break.

[@gamersunbeaten]

I wonder if I need to make a separate post going into detail on this.

[@KurtBoulter]

@@gamersunbeaten Please do, as I would be very interested in seeing your sources, as I have NEVER read in the Authorised King James Bible any verse that puts God's blessing on stealing, lying, committing adultery or any other sinful act as justified. As I said, the bible gives an eyewitness account of the actions of men, recording them accurately, but this does NOT give license to commit said sins recorded. (Romans 3:23-24) "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; {24} Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:"

[@gamersunbeaten]

Yeah, it's totally a mistake to take something that happens in the Bible as the Bible condoning it. The prime example is polygamy. Yes it happens, but every story that involves it always ends really, really badly. Almost as if the Bible is using stories to teach people...

[@KurtBoulter]

@@gamersunbeaten I think you might be on to something there! lol. (Mark 4:11-12) "And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: {12} That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them."

[@TallowQueen]

Omg my only celebrity crush for years just has to make fun of Jesus and misrepresent him. Wish I never came to the gamers chanel 😮‍💨

[@gamersunbeaten]

Never made fun of Him, never misrepresented Him.

[@arnijulian6241]

Kantian ethics are no ethics but programming in many regards can be said of Christians & worse yet communists. program=''A listing of the order of events and other pertinent information for a public presentation.'' Sounds like Kantians, Abrahamic faith & socialists like communists to me. In my mind the most moral guide line is as follows: 'help another at least once if they ask what is reasonably within your ability to do so.' If they ask to much or ask your help again without having ever attempting to repay the favour in some capacity; then simply fvck em''. I'm a reasonable man & if I don't like another I am under no obligation to help them more then once in my mind if only since they my fellow human. Familiarity breeds contempt & many presume kindness as weakness which it is not from me as I act on decency till the contract is broken by the other party then become indifferent to them. I really am quite reasonable & logical! I have no obligation to anyone; but if the ask politely with in my ability while of no harm to any then I will assist them to the best of my ability. I am rather reasonable. For the most part mind I'd rather people jog on & leave me be as rarely are people not a social & physical drain upon you as most relationships in any capacity are one sided. Why I have nothing to do with people that only use me for their benefit. Best to be indifferent to those you do not want in your company!